tv The Situation Room With Wolf Blitzer CNN February 20, 2020 3:00pm-4:00pm PST
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week that russia is interfering in the 2020 presidential campaign to try to get president trump reelected. i'll get reaction from democratic congresswoman kathleen rice, a member of the homeland security committee, our correspondents and analysts are also standing by. first let's go to our national security correspondent vivian. intention officials went behind closed doors, briefed members of the house intelligence committee that russia is interfering in the election with the hope of getting the president, president trump reelected. >> that's right, wolf. we see a pattern developing in this administration where a couple of things keep on happening, one that the intelligence committee releases an assessment that russia interfered in our elections or is trying to do so again and then you have the president's skepticism towards that assessment especially because he feels like it delegitimatizes his own victory, and doesn't want that to happen again, and backlash against officials that perpetuate that view, and i recall in 2018, president
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trump's second national security adviser h.r. mcmaster talked about interference in the elections, and trump tweeted mcmaster forgot to say that the results of the 2016 elections were not impacted or changed by the russians. he looks closely and does not like it when any official buys into this notion, despite the fact that it has been overwhelmingly concerned by the intelligence committee. >> and clearly what irritated the president was the briefing of the house intelligence kp committee, chaired by adam schiff, and the president basically concluding why are members of his intelligence community telling adam schiff anything. >> we have learned that essentially the president is so worried about any further ammunition that the democrats could get in their hands, including any kind of doubt that he could win this election fair and square and so he was furious about it. he did not want intelligence officials to go and brief the
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democrats, and there were repercussions, we see joseph maguire, the acting dni is on his way out. we don't know if there's correlation between the two instances but there are coincidences that are happening here for sure. >> it's clear that joseph maguire who was until yesterday the acting director of national intelligence and presumably a front runner to become the director of national intelligence that he was dumped because of this briefing, word got back from the republicans who were there, including the ranking republican devin nunes to the president, they weren't very happy with this u.s. intelligence community assessment. >> that's right. and so the president obviously now bringing in loyalists to take over this job because he doesn't want to have this idea of someone going out there and spreading any kind of doubt toward his potential victory in 2020. and so he was very very angry about what happened and his actions sort of reflect that. >> and it explains why
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ambassador rick grenell, with virtually no intelligence background is now the acting director of national intelligence overseeing 17 u.s. intelligence agencies, including the cia. vivian stand by. i want to go to the white house right now. chief white house correspondent jim acosta is also working this story. jim, what are you learning? >> reporter: i was told by a source familiar with this dust up last week, that yes, the president was irate with the outgoing acting director of national intelligence, joseph maguire over the briefing to house lawmakers about election interference that the russians are trying to interfere with the 2020 election. this is significant, wolf, because obviously the president for years now and we have been cataloging this seems to flare up every several months where the president is pressed on whether or not he believes the russians interfered in the 2016 election, and he has vacillated back and forth as to whether or not he believes in that, and famously and helsinki, a couple of years ago, said that he took putin's word over the u.s.
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intelligence community statement that he had to clean up. from what we understand about this briefing, up on capitol hill, our colleagues dana bash and others up on capitol hill are essentially saying that when members of the administration briefed those lawmakers on this potential for russian interference in 2020, that several of the president's house republican defenders were essentially upset about what was being presented about them, and there appears to be at this moment tonight, wolf, just great, great conflict over this threat that the russians posed to our election process coming up here in november. but, wolf, i don't think you can underscore it enough to have the president berating the acting director of national intelligence joseph maguire over a briefing to lawmakers suggests that the president is just not over this, and is trying to have some impact over the intelligence gathering process, and what's presented to lawmakers. keep in mind, you were just mentioning rick grenell, the
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u.s. ambassador to germany. i was told earlier today by a senior administration official, this official was reiterating that rick grenell is going to remain the ambassador to germany, the acting director of national intelligence for just a brief period of time until the administration finds a new director of national intelligence, but wolf, what competent, serious minded intelligence official in washington is going to want to take on this job, which after all was created after 9/11 to make sure there isn't another 9/11 given what we know tonight, the president was irate with the director of national intelligence, just for having a briefing to lawmakers about a threat to american democracy, wolf. >> stand by because maggie haberman of the "new york times," one of our cnn political analysts is joining us on the phone, coauthor of the "new york times" report on this. you guys broke the story just a little while ago, maggie. update our viewers on what exactly you and your team are learning? >> sure, wolf, the president berated, as jim said, joe
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maguire, who is no longer the director of intelligence last week after he had heard that officials from the intelligence committee had briefed house intelligence committee members on election interference, part of the that briefing was a statement about russia and ongoing activities to try to influence the 2020 election that their interest is in seeing president trump reelected and the president was angry in large part for two reasons, and there might have been others that we're not aware of but what we know is he is upset because, you know, he continues to get angry when he hears about russia in connection with his election or reelection campaign because he sees it as delegitimizing him, and adam schiff, the ranking democrat who led the impeachment effort in the house, the inquiry there, that schiff would use it to weaponize the information against him. this was his argument to maguire.
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our reporting is a little different than some others on how big a factor this was and why rick grenell was brought in to take over for maguire, which the president had never forged much of a relationship, but it adds to the consternation that the president has over the intelligence community and what comes out of it in terms of what he sees as relating to him. >> in your report, you say that the intelligence official who briefed democrats and republicans, shelby pierson was rather blunt, was there an explanation provided why the russians would prefer to see president trump reelected. >> i don't know the answer to that, and i don't want to speak beyond what our reporting is. that said, the intelligence community has broadly determined that russia tried to meddle in the 2016 election to try to benefit president trump. that is who they'd prefer to see win over hillary clinton.
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i don't think it would be shocking to anyone that they would still prefer president trump to anyone if you accept declaration from the 2016 election. but we don't know whether they presented any other information related to it. >> very important information. maggie stand by. jim sciutto is also working his sources for us right now. jim, what are you learning? >> reporter: well, wolf, i have spoken to members of the intelligence committee, and of course members cannot speak to the classified intelligence, but i will tell you that there is deep alarm from those members to the president's interference here. i'm going to quote from representative mike quigley, democratic member of the house. the president is interfering in what is meant to be an independent process and that's dangerous because it has a chilling effect on the intelligence agencies and analysts. if we don't get the full truth, we're less safe. that's the root of the concern here, wolf, is that the
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president, because he views this as politically damaging to him, much like his reaction to intelligence on 2016 interference will attempt to suppress it and therefore not address it. and that's the real concern here and we've seen this, wolf, now, it fits a pattern with this president. and certainly just when speaking about election interference, but it goes beyond it. and that is the real concern because here we are. we've got an election in nine month's time. the evidence appears to be russia attempting to interfere again, and if the president doesn't even want to hear the intelligence indicating that, then is the president going to protect the election, act to protect the country, its electoral process? that's the concern, and from a member like quigley here, he's saying, with this interference the country is less safe. the other point i would make is this, wolf, when you speak of the dni, and carry on effect,
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the director of national intelligence, the run up to the iraq war, one of the reasons this position was created is to prevent the politicalization of intelligence, which was a concern leading up to the iraq war so that not just hear or use the intelligence that supported their position. but that you had someone who was unbiassed, not political taking a look, and looking at it analytically, not politically, and here you have the president doing the opposite here. he heard intel from the dni he didn't like, pushed him out and pushed someone in there he expects won't tell him information he doesn't like. and you know, that defies exactly what this position was created to do. >> yeah, this position was created to make sure that all elements of the u.s. intelligence community were cooperating working together, especially in the after math of 9/11, the build up to the iraq war that the left-hand of the u.s. government knew what the
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right hand of the u.s. government was doing because before 9/11, there were elements of the fbi that wrneren't cooperating and forming the cia, that's why they needed a director of national intelligence to oversee all of this. maggie in your reporting right now, did the members of the intelligence community when they briefed members of the house intelligence committee, did they appreciate potentially how angry the president would be once he hears this? >> reporter: i can't speak to what was in their heads, wolf, but it shouldn't really be a surprise that the president is not going to want to listen to this. he has a pattern of not wanting to listen to this in terms of russia, and it shouldn't be a surprise that he was going to be upset that schiff was in the room for this, adam schiff, the ranking democrat on the house intel committee who was involved with the house impeachment committee, and the president has a visceral reaction to schiff.
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i don't think that should have been a surprise to anyone. i think that said, whether the argument is if they should have done something differently or not is for other people to discuss. none of this should be surprising. it's a president who is predictably unpredictable in that he was going to react angrily should not have spri surprised anyone. >> acted very angrily, dumping acting, director of national intelligence, and there's no one acting, the u.s. ambassador to germany, rick grenell. i want to bring in kathleen rice, a democrat, on the house homeland security committee. thank you so much for joining us. you have been following the breaking news as well. what's your response to this reporting that u.s. intelligence officials warned your colleagues on the intelligence committee, democrats and republicans, that russia is actively trying to get president trump reelected? >> so this is a fact that most
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americans already know. i would say that it's shocking except it's not because this is -- this kind of behavior, by this president, is happening with increasingly -- it's happening all the time. i mean, increasing frequency. the really disturbing part of this, wolf, is that it is so important for us as lawmakers who are privy to this information, this intelligence, to get it openly, and honestly and then figure out what to do about it, and then communicate to the american people what they can believe and what they can't believe, where the russians are acting, and what they're doing to try to influence this. the fact that this president time and again puts his own personal and political future ahead of not just every other american but now our national security is just so outrageous, it's -- what is there to say. >> yeah, and so what, if
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anything, can you guys in the house of representatives or the in the senate for that matter, do about this? >> so wolf, i want to ask, i am appealing to all of my good colleagues on the other side of the aisle. my republican colleagues. stand up and speak truth to this out of control power. once and for all. put the impeachment stuff behind us. we have another election in november. put all of that stuff behind. get a backbone. i know there are republican colleagues of mine who have backbones. i know that. i see them walking around every day in washington. take that backbone and speak to this president and say, this is enough. it's enough. we haven't heard any republican come out and say this is outrageous after the briefing that the intel committee got. where are they, kwwhen are they going to be heard. i can get up here and say this is outrageous, and try to bring
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the truth to the american people but you're going to tell me out of the hundreds of republicans in congress, not one of them is going to stand up and say enough is enough. that is the real travesty here too. >> clearly the president is furious that the acting director of national intelligence joseph maguire allowed this briefing to go forward. >> that's his job. keep that in mind that that is his job. they have to come before congress and the various committees and brief them on what's going on, so to act like they did something -- they stepped out of their lane, and they did something that was totally inappropriate is wrong. that is their job. there is a separation of powers. congressional committees exist to have oversight, to get information from our intel agencies, and then figure out what to do with that, and what the president is trying to tell the american people that what they did was wrong, that is outrageous and i'm going to call it a lie. that's what it is. it's not true. >> it's not only their job, it's
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the law that the intelligence community, the house and senate committee, part of the law of the land. representative kathleen rice, thank you so much for joining us. >> thank you, wolf. the breaking news continues. next, much more on the russian election interference that intelligence officials warn is already underway with the goal of reelecting president trump. y, there's nothing to stop you from moving forward.
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former director of national intelligence, james clapper, now a cnn national security analyst. thank you so much for coming in. what's your reaction to this? >> well, first of all, the lead briefer here as i understand it, was occupying a position that dan coats created to have a senior executive within the intelligence community on election security. >> dan coats, the former director of national intelligence. >> preceded joe maguire, the acting director of national intelligence. and so the -- in the course of this briefing, and i assume the briefing was given to both committees describing what is, for me, quite predictable that the russians in the wake of their great success and election of 2016, would attempt to do it again in 2020, so this is not a
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big surprise, but it illustrates the tremendous challenge that the intelligence community has where they're teeing up facts that our president doesn't want to hear, and with a result that the messenger got shot in the form of joe maguire being asked to leave. >> that he allowed a briefing to go on. apparently the president was especially irritated that the chairman of the house intelligence committee adam schiff was among those getting briefing. >> the intelligence committee doesn't get to pick who the members of the oversight committees are or who the chairman or ranking members are. that's not the intelligence community's call. institutionally, there is a requirement as recounted in your last segment that the intelligence communities when summoned must brief the congress on threats confronting the country. >> the democratic members and republican members. >> apparently the president was so upset he decided to dump
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joseph maguire, and bring in a new acting director, richard grenell who has basically no intelligence experience. what do you think about that? >> obviously as a former incumbent of the position and career intelligence officer it's my belief that people that have experience in national security are best suited. in fact, the law, the terrorism act says that. >> i have it right here, any individual nominated for appointment as director of national intelligence shall have extensive national security expertise. >> exactly. >> do you believe that ambassador grenell has extensive national security expertise? >> well, that's obviously open to interpretation. i don't think that his qualification certainly comply with the spirit, if not the letter of the law. and in terms of his having a
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background to run the intelligence community. >> he says, by the way, he's not going to be nominate. he's only going to be acting and at some point he'll go back to being u.s. ambassador to germany, potentially at some point, we don't know when the president will nominate someone else. >> that brings up another, the mention of this, that i worry a lot about is the impact on the intelligence community writ large and specifically the staff at the office of the director of national intelligence, so ambassador grenell will be now the fourth dni or acting dni since i left in january of 2017. so the turbulence and the turmoil this creates, the lack of continuity and the lack of stability in running a major enterprise, global enterprise, is for me, very bothersome. >> let's not forget the director of national intelligence oversees 17 u.s. intelligence agencies including the cia, it's an enormous responsibility and
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it was created after 9/11. >> exactly. and the purpose was of course to foster and champion, advocate, integration and collaboration and coordination. that is not a natural act in the intelligence community, and in my view is an important position to do that, is to promote the coordination and integration. >> critically important, especially in dealing with terror threats among others. thank you so much for joining us. >> thanks, wolf. just ahead, is it only a matter of time before president trump pardons roger stone. our legal experts are standing by for that. also, the democratic race after fight night in vegas. cnn is in nevada with the presidential candidates, assessing the damage from the first presidential debate including michael bloomberg. now, we know the trump strategy-
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we're following breaking news on russian interference in the 2020 u.s. presidential election. sources now tell cnn that u.s. intelligence officials warned u.s. lawmakers last week during a classified briefing that the russians already are taking steps to try to get president trump reelected. we'll have much more on that just ahead. also right now, the other big story we're following, the sentencing of the president's long time friend and ally roger stone. our political correspondent is just outside the federal
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courthouse in washington. sarah, stone got a significant sentence and he also got a scolding by the federal judge. >> that's right, wolf, with all the controversy surrounding this case, it seems like everyone has weighed in on stone's fate, and today the judge had her day. she said stone deserves time behind bars, although not as much as prosecutors originally asked for. a federal judge sentenced roger stone to more than three years in prison and two years of probation today as she delivered a scathing condemnation of the actions of president trump's long time friend and political adviser. >> i am a fervent supporter of the president. >> this case did not arise because roger stone was being pursued by his political enemies, judge amy berman jackson said, it rose because roger stone characteristically injected himself smack into the middle of one of the most significant issues of the day. jackson said the dismay and disgust over stone's behavior should transcend party lines. stone was not prosecuted, jackson said, for standing up
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for the president. he was prosecuted for covering up for the president. stone stood quietly, his hands in his pockets, slightly slouching, witness tampering and lying to congress, including telling lies that protect the president. >> everybody knows roger and what happened to him is unbelievable. they say he lied. but other people lie too. >> reporter: the case played out amid extraordinary political intervention as trump called stone's prosecution unfair and suggested the judge was biassed. the judge and government prosecutors appeared determined to defend the judicial system. prosecutors initially asked the government to sentence stone to seven to nine years in prison but attorney general william barr overruled the recommendation in favor of a lesser sentence. in response, the four prosecutors resigned from the case. the new government prosecutor named to the case john crab
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defended the original trial team. this prosecution is righteous, jackson drove home the seriousness of stones crimes. nothing about this case was a joke. it wasn't funny, she said, adding this is not campaign high ji -- hi jings, it's not roger being roger, it has to send a message that witnesses do not get to decide themselves whether congress is entitled to the facts. stone did not address the court. he flashed a smirk as he departed the courthouse. roger stone is not going to be detained immediately. he has put in a motion with the judge for a new trial claiming juror misconduct, and the judge has said she will consider that request before stone has to start serving out his sentence. back to you! sara murray reporting. let's bring in our chief legal analyst, jeffrey toobin, and jeffrey, you have reported extensively on roger stone.
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do you think he can realistically expect a presidential pardon. >> i think he can bet on it. look at how the president has behaved including yesterday, tucker carlson's plea for a pardon. the string of pardons this week. i think this is as close to a sure bet as exists when this pardon will come down whether it's before or after november, i can't say that for sure, but i don't think radiology stone is going to serve anything near three years and four months. >> yeah, the president said eventually he might be exonerated. he's going to wait a little bit and see what happens but i think no one would be surprised if eventually he does get a pardon. you know. donald aer, the attorney general just the other day pleaded president, please stop making statements about the justice department stop tweeting about it. today in the after math of what happened to roger stone, the
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three-year four month sentence, the president spent 12 minutes before a camera publicly railing against the justice department the way they have treated not only roger stone but michael flynn and others. >> i think what the president did today dramatizes the effort to influence the work of the department, which in a variety of ways has been going on since bill barr got there, and i think probably before, and it dramatizes a situation that i think had become unacceptable before the president made those statements and it makes further clear, i mean, there are a bunch of reasons why bill barr needs to resign. one of them is he is in essence using the position to make the president unaccountable and beyond the law, and has made clear he can't function in the job because of the way the president is behaving and the specter created by all of this is a specter of totally improper influence being put forward on the department in a way that it is nonfunctional, and the real
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big problem is that big barr is a party o thato that and doing everything he can. >> you were the deputy attorney general, the number two official at the justice department during the presidency of george h.w. bush. you speak with some authority on this. what do you expect now that the president has so publicly railed against what's going on? these are justice department prosecutors who are going after roger stone and michael flynn and these others. >> what i hope will happen is that there will continue to be uproar about all of this, and an uproar from the people about what has gone on, and that all of these factors together may in fact encourage mr. barr to leave. everybody has said, including the folks who signed the letter of former prosecutor, we call on him to leave, and don't think he will. if enough people stand up and make an issue, there's petition i'm aware of, probably more than one. there's one by the citizens for
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responsibility and ethics in washington, that's got 90,000 signatures and i think people need to speak out and demand that bill barr resign. >> bill barr's not going anywhere. because he's a toady, because he was picked. he didn't believe in the mueller investigation, and look at what he has done, he has gone outside the follow course of business in the justice department and appointed special outside u.s. attorneys to review the ukraine investigation, you know, the special channel for rudy giuliani. he now has a special channel to investigate whether michael flynn was charged correctly. he has injected himself into the roger stone case as we all know. this is what he's doing because this is what donald trumpments h -- wants him to do. this is not a bug. this is a future. >> it absolutely is, and it's what bill barr believes in and i
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agree with you completely. the question is are we all going to stand for it. are we going to sit and watch him do that. you're absolutely right. donald trump was the greatest opportunity for bill barr that ever came along. donald trump wanted to be an autocrat, and george h.w. bush had no interest in being an autocrat. >> don is a distinguished lawyer. i'm just some guy on cable, so i don't do anything about, you know, it's not any job to do something but i can see what's going on, and what's going on is that bill barr is doing donald trump's work, and that's what he was assigned to do. >> i see you as a distinguished lawyer. jeffrey toobin, thanks very much, and donald ayer. michael bloomberg on the campaign trail tonight and trying to regain his footing after a rather rough debate debut. this is totally customizable. now this is what i'm talking about. focus on what matters to you with thinkorswim. ♪
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you're looking at live pictures from the site of tonight's cnn presidential town hall, joe biden and elizabeth warren will be taking voters questions after the fallout from the most heated democratic debate so far. cnn's ryan nobles has the latest. >> how was your night last night? >> tonight, michael bloomberg joking around, hoping to move past his lackluster debate performance as his main on stage foe elizabeth warren keeps piling on. >> i bet he's reaching in his pocket and spending a hundred million dollars more on advertising to try to erase everyone's memory of what
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happened last night. >> reporter: but at a campaign stop in the supertuesday state of utah, bloomberg is focussing on the front runner. >> if we choose a candidate that has a small base, it will be a fatal error. >> we have more income wealth inequality. mr. bloomberg himself is worth more as one person than the bottom 125 million americans. >> reporter: sanders seemed to survive his first debate at the top of the polls with so much attention on the new guy on stage. >> democrats take a huge risk if we just substitute one arrogant billionaire for another. >> i don't think you look at donald trump and say, we need someone richer in the white house. >> reporter: not just bloomberg's billions, his opponents also attacked his past. vice president joe biden raising bloomberg's previous support for new york city's controversial stop and frisk policing. >> it's the policy. the policy was abhorrent, and it
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was in fact a violation of every right people have. >> reporter: while warren challenged bloomberg to release women who have alleged sexist and misogynistic behavior by bloomberg and his company from nondisclosure agreements. >> mr. mayor are you willing to release all of those women in those nondisclosure agreements so we can hear their side of the story? >> we have a very few nondisclosure agreements. >> how many is that? >> none of them accuse me of doing anything other than maybe they didn't like a joke i told and let me just -- let me -- there's agreements between two parties that wanted to keep it quiet and that's up to them. >> reporter: in one of the arguments against bernie sanders last night is that he won't be able to unify the democratic party. to that end i asked senator sanders today if he's reached out to former president barack obama, he said the two have been in fairly regular contact and he has absolute confidence in he
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discuss. david you're out there in las vegas right now getting ready for the cnn town halls. adam schiff was among those democrats and republicans who got this classified briefing in the u.s. intelligence community. how is this going to play out? >> listen, this is not a very surprising development, right? the congress, the country, the president has been warned for years now that the russians were intending to do the interference efforts yet again in 2020. as the intelligence community briefed the president when he was president-elect. that they had done in 2016. so everyone knew this was coming. what seems to have upset the president so much is that he thinks adam schiff now got a piece of information that he's going to use as a political weapon, and he did not want him
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to have that. this is the chairman of the house intelligence committee. i understand he's a democrat, it's his job as an elected representative in the country and the position he holds to get this kind of briefing, and help protect the american electoral system. that seems to not be donald trump's top priority here. he wanted to keep quiet, a potential political argument against him. >> he's clearly the president furious that this briefing even occurred. >> he doesn't want to brief democrats about it, first of all, second of all, he doesn't believe it. it's the same old thing that he said aftered 2016 election that it might in his own mind. he believes that any notion that russia would be helping him, delegitimizes him and could delegitimize his future election. he doesn't want to be talking about it, investigating it, this is not breaking news in a way, because, of course, it's
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completely in character for donald trump. and as david was saying, the last thing he wants to do is tell adam schiff, who deserves to know, who should be briefed he doesn't want schiff to weaponize this in anyway, because he believes he would. that's a whole other story, because schiff is the chairman of the committee. >> i suspect the democratic presidential candidates were going after each other, now we're going to have an opportunity to go after the president on this issue? >> yeah, i think for a long time, these democratic candidates have been saying the same thing, which is, they view donald trump as a national security threat, and this election is an existential threat to this nation. that's one of the around umtss they're taking to voters to get democrats in the right frame of mind to make the case to their own party this is an to be
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there for them. at the same time, i think this is all baked in the cake for a lot of democrats. they feel like they know this about the president, it's going to add to what they know. but it's not going to be a driving issue on the campaign trail. nobody is surprised that president trump used the intelligence committee as a political apparatus. as the times reported, even the republican lawmakers in the room pushed back on this briefing, which goes to show how far we've come, where even members much congress don't believe this intelligence is real. >> you think it's going to be an issue on the campaign trail, david? >> i have no doubt about it, it will be in the way abby described it. it shouldn't just be in the realm of politics, wolf. that's the problem here, the president is only viewing this information through a political lens. what helps me, what hurts me. this is his job as president to protect the very core exercise of what makes the united states a democracy, free and fair
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