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poland is extremely important to me. but also in the economic sphere where it's speaking about increasing military importance between poland and the united states. i have no doubt whatsoever that this corporation will lead to the strengthening of the security of the european union, strengthening of the eastern flank of nato and first and foremost from my perspective, it will transcend the security of poland. and it will also land additional financial credibility to poland, investment credibility on part of american investors. one month ago global company microsoft announced that they are going to invest $1 billion in poland to establish a state-of-the-art data center and today officially google company published the information that they are also going to invest including i.t. technologies. this is going to be an even greater investment, the investment of mike so.
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i have no doubts whatsoever that this additional investment that the american companies are making right now results from a very efficient policy that we are conducting together and which increases the sense of safety of our citizens in poland. and it also increases that sense of safe investments in our country. thank you so much for that because that means the creation of new jobs in the state of the art branch of industry, i.t. technologies. and i'm really pleased because in poland we have got a large number of excellent young i.t. experts also young i.t. engineers, and for sure we are able to come to terms with these challenges. also as far as intellectual capital is concerned i'm sure that these investments are going to be very beneficial for the united states, u.s. companies and also for poland through creating jobs through acquiring new experiences by young engineers. i'm also glad, mr. president, because, as we said before, the
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agreements that we entered into concerning increased u.s. military persons in poland, the agreements we signed last year according to first one, to be increased by 1,000 troops in our country, and another contract another agreement stipulated concrete locations in which will be stationed in poland on a rotational basis. but also it's going to be heel-to-toe rotation. today we are entering another stage. namely, there is the possibility of further increase in american troops in our country in. recent days, i also talked to the secretary general of nato. i and we agreed on one point. as europeans we have no doubts whatsoever that if any the u.s. armed forces was withdrawn from europe, that would be very detrimental to european security. so, in our belief, it is deeply
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justified to ensure that the u.s. troops are left in europe. so, mr. president, thank you so much for this meeting today. thank you so much for accepting pole during this meeting at the white house, as we are the first country which has been received after this long break in international diplomacy. thank you for the words about our pride and heroes over history today, polish soldiers stand arm in arm with u.s. soldiers. we are tested allies. together we spilled blood in iraq and afghanistan and we stand always ready to implement our allied obligations and commitments. and thank you that the united states, thanks to your policy, mr. president, is demonstrating itself as an absolutely loyal ally to us. and thank you that we can count on the united states. also, i'd like to say that i'm grateful, mr. president, that you have been stressing historical truths in such a
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decisive way. defending historical truth also about the second world war about who started the war about the course of the war is incredibly important to us. and thank you, mr. president, that you are adopting this stance and contributing so much to putting the record straight. it's important also to ask from the point of view of our dignity, the second world war was a period of great drama and trauma in the history of our nation. we lost 5 million citizens. and that was a tragedy to us. so, because of that, it is important to spread this truth to present it as it really was. that it's also important to speak about the heroes wherever they were fighting, wherever they were spilling our blood arm in arm with allies and other places all over the world, both on the eastern front and on the western front. all of that saying that is
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extremely important. so i'm happy that today we can encore our security in the united states. i am glad that we have got this excellent economic cooperation. i have no doubt that the coronavirus will pass and we will be going together towards the development of our country, towards the building of a more prosperous future, both for poland and for europe. thank you so much. >> he'll ask one to me and one to the president, and that will be great. steve holland, go ahead. >> poland, would you send them from germany, and what sort of signal would that send to russia? and for president duda, how do you feel about this taking some troops out of germany to go to poland and what signal does that send to russia? thank you. >> well, just to start, as you
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know, poland, as i've said many times, poland is one of the few countries that are fulfilling their obligations under nato, in particular, their monetary obligations. and they asked us if we would send some additional troops. they are going to pay for that. they will be paying for the sending of additional troops. and we'll probably be moving them from germany to poland. we're going to be reducing germany very substantially down to about 25,000 troops. we actually had 52,000. but we will be moving it down to about 25,000. germany's paying a very small fraction of what that they're supposed to be paying. they should be paying 2%, and they're paying a little bit more than 1%, depending on how you calculate. you could also calculate that they're paying less than 1%. but if you assume they're paying 1%, that's a tremendous delinquency. let's use that word, delinquency. so, we're going to be reducing our forces in germany. some will be coming home and
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some will be going to other places. but poland would be one of those other places. other places in europe. >> i think it sends a very strong signal to russia. but i think a stronger signal sent to russia is the fact that germany is paying russia billions of dollars to purchase energy from russia through the pipeline. and i'm saying what's that all about? you're spending billions of dollars to russia. then we're supposed to defend you from russia. so i think the people of germany are very unhappy about it. and the people in germany are very unhappy about it. they don't like it but that's what they chose to do. so they are spending billions of dollars to buy russian energy, and then we are supposed to defend them from russia. so that doesn't work too well. but poland has been very, very terrific. in fact, i don't believe poland is actually accepting any of the energy from the pipeline from russia. so, that sends a signal right
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there. with all of that being said, we expect to get along with russia. we expect to get along with everybody. but germany has -- they really owe a lot of money in nato. and this has been going on for many years. when you add it all up, you're probably getting close to $1 trillion. that's not treating nato fairly. but it really isn't treating the united states fairly. you know, the united states is a very -- is the major participant in nato. we pay more than anybody else by far, have for many, many years. so we defend europe, but europe also takes tremendous advantage of the united states on trade. advantage like you wouldn't believe. so, we're trying to work that out. and i would imagine they'd like to wait till after the election so that maybe they could deal with somebody other than president trump. but after the election they will just have to pay more. but that's the way it is. okay? thank you very much. please?
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>> translator: first of all, i do respect very much both mr. president donald trump and the united states of america. a wonderful great state which is the largest military and economic superpower in the world. and i wouldn't dare say to the president of the united states of america where he should send his soldiers because this is the decision which is always taken by the united states. this is a very responsible decision. however, i do not deny that i requested, mr. president, that he would not withdraw u.s. forces from europe because the security of europe is very important to me. from europe as such, i'm talking about the united europe. for which the american president since the end of the second world war is a huge security guarantee. however, if i'm asked by anybody if i am ready that poland receives more u.s. troops in our country, of course, i am ready.
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in 2014 russia attacked ukraine. it annexed crimea. it occupies wargansk and da in of course ask. it had attacked georgia. huge fears in the baltic states among the polish society. today the president's nato troops and u.s. troops in poland demonstrates that article 5 of the north atlantic treaty is treated seriously. and it shows that if anyone wanted to attack poland, it won't be a soft landing for that entity. that won't pay off. because the strongest army of the world is present and they would help polish soldiers defend our borders if such a case arises. 100 years ago we repelled russians from warsaw in a great battle in 1920, we defeated the army of bolshevik. >> but we managed to stop them only at the outskirts of our
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capital city. we would never want to see the situation repeated again. that is why the allied presence is very important to us. so i'm very pleased that both within nato as well as in the united states and today that the president of the united states understands that the history of europe and he understands the realities in europe and that he also understands the situation as it is developing in europe. this generates peace to my country and security. and thanks to that. russia, unfortunately a very strong imperial ambitions, which have been revived over the last tens of years, i can say, because georgia was attacked in 2008. thanks to this those ambitions have been stopped for the time being, at least in this part of the world. and i have no doubt whatsoever that this is also a huge merit of the policy of the united states. i am grateful for that just like
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all my compatriots are. >> russia had a good time in the united states to the best of my knowledge, president obama and sleepy joe biden, they were in power. they were the ones that were doing it. this was before us. hasn't happened with us and it won't happen with us either. please, go ahead. >> translator: -- >> you had to cancel your last visit to poland because of the hurricane. are you planning a new visit to poland in the near future? and the second question is on covid. is there a chance for poland to participate in the development and early access, both to the vaccine and to the therapeutics -- >> translator: mr. president, is there a chance that during this cooperation, the united states will get fast access, both to
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the vaccine as well as to coronavirus? >> we'd like to do it again as soon as we can. we have an election happening in this country, as you probably have heard. so i probably won't be able to do it until after the election. but assuming things go well, the answer is a very definite yes actually. as far as the joining with us on the vaccines and therapeutics, by the way, because the therapeutics, if i gave you a choice, probably therapy utically, maybe i'd like that even better. but we're working very well on both. i think we're coming up with some great answers. i think you're going to have a beautiful surprise sooner than anybody would think. but the answer is, yes, we will be getting poland involved, both in terms of helping but also in terms of taking care of the polish people once we have the vaccine. but i think we're going to have it very soon. thank you. >> translator: sir, we got involved as a state in the
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cooperation and also in supporting allies of the united states in the fight against coronavirus. that is why we have here with us today captain and medical doctor from poland. i want to say, yes, of course, i'm working on this assumption that by taking part in the research and also by being in a certain sense co-creators of the vaccines and therapeutics, polls will be able to count on these vaccines and therapeutics to be available as soon as possible. speaking only, this is also the intention i have in my cooperation with the united states of america to make sure that these vaccines are available to poles and to other nations wherever they will be applied as soon as possible. >> thank you very much. john, please? >> this afternoon, the bill on
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reform in the senate failed to move forward. it may still see the light of day at some point. but at the moment it's stalled in the senate. as well, you have an executive order that is coming out later on this week regarding monuments and what to do about people who deface or damage these monuments. could you tell us what you're planning to do in the executive order and your reaction to what happened in the senate? >> well, the senate republicans want very much to pass a bill on police reform. we have total cooperation with many different communities including the police community. they want it very much to happen themselves because there are things that they agree to that they would like to agree to and they would love to have it agreed to formally. the democrats don't want to do it because they want to weaken our police, they want to take away immunity, they want to do other things as well as you
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know. they want to take away a lot of the strength from our police and from law enforcement generally. and we can't live with that. we can't live with that. this is a great bill. strongly endorsed by, as you know, tim scott, who's terrific, who is a terrific man, great senator, south carolina. and mitch wants it to happen. i would like to see it happen. but we won't sacrifice, we won't do anything that's going to hurt our police. the police, we have a record this year on crime, a record positive rating on crime this year, the best. and you hear about certain places like chicago and you hear about what's going on in detroit and other cities. all democrat run, every one of them's democrat run. 20 out of 20. 20 worst -- the 20 most dangerous are democrat-run. we have one city or two cities in particular worse than honduras, worse than
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afghanistan, worse than afghanistan. and these are cities within the united states, democrat-run, radical left run. you see what's going on in seattle. you see what's going on in other places. seattle of all places, who would even think that's possible? 20 out of 20, the democrats want to weaken very substantially our law enforcement and our police. and, frankly, they want to de-fund largely, at least largely. there are some that want to de-fund and abolish our police, if you can believe that. and we're not letting that happen. so, if nothing happens with it, we have different philosophies, they want open borders, they want sanctuary cities, we don't. as far as your second question, i think that we're going to have a very strong executive order, but we already have the monuments act already, which means ten years in jail. but i think we're going to consolidate various things. we're going to come out with a
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very strong executive order. i should have that by the end of the week, which is fast approaching. we're going to have it very powerful statement. we've arrested numerous people, as you know, for what took place outside of washington. in addition, the fbi is investigating hundreds of people throughout the country for what they've done to monuments, statues, and even buildings. so we have very strong laws already on the books. and we have a law that's ten years, that's a long time, to have fun one night. i think many of the people that are knocking down these statues don't even have any idea what the statue is, what it means, who it is. when they knock down grant, when they want to knock down grant. but when they look at -- now they are looking at jesus christ. they are looking at george washington. they are looking at abraham lincoln, thomas jefferson. not going to happen. not as long as i'm here. as far as democrats are
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concerned, i think they could care less whether or not it happens. and i think the american people get it. so we're going to have a very strong executive order. it'll happen very quickly before the end of the week. >> mr. president, due to -- we have an election coming up in november. you have an election coming up on sunday. some of your critics who are politicians here in the united states have criticized this visit to the white house saying it is tantamount to election interference because it shows a very close relationship between the united states and poland at a time when you really need it. what do you say to those critics, and, mr. president, feel free to weigh in if you want to. >> translator: sir, first of all, let me also follow up on the question that you asked to president donald trump. i would like to thank you, mr. president, because among others, not a long time ago, the
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monument was devastated. that was the national hero of poland but also the national hero of the united states was fighting for the independence of the united states. it had great merits. he was also the commander of the polish uprising where he was fighting for the independence of poland. he suffered heavy wounds in poland fighting for the independence of our country and for completely incomprehensive reasons to us. that monument was devastated re recently. and thank you so much that it has been renewed so fast. that was what made it possible for me to lay flowers at that monument and pay tribute to the great soldier and the great commander. that was outrageous for a big number of polish people back in poland all of them and for many, many polish people living here in the united states, polish organizations here in the united states, asked me and told me that they would renew that monument. i know that it has already been renewed by the united states.
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no assistance was needed so i'm very grateful for that. that monument near the white house, which he has deserved for the merits laid for the united states and for poland. so thank you very much for that, president. and as to answer your question, two months ago at the very beginning of the pandemic of coronavirus, we had a conversation with president donald trump. it disrupted the plans of our corporation. we made an arrangement that we would meet as soon as it would be possible. this has been implemented. and the fact that this arrangement has been put into force is demonstrated by the visit today. i'm very grateful for mr. president to inviting me here today. together with mr. president, we are implementing our presidential duties. the president is always in charge of his national interests. and this is the task of the president. when the president is acting in the international sphere, this
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is my sense and i also know that also it is a very strong believe of president donald trump. the president is supposed to realize the interest of their country. so, mr. president is realizing the interest of his own country and i'm realizing the interest of poland. so we are looking for a win/win situation where both parties are the winners, where both parties are able to implement their interest as part of the cooperation we are implementing. this is the way we act. and in this very moment we are acting on a national level, on the state level. we are just fulfilling our obligations and duties as presidents of our countries as those who are representing our nations and want our societies to have as good lives as possible. thank you very much. >> very well in poland. he's doing a terrific job. the people of poland think the world of him, and, by the way, this is duda, who is a terrific woman who we've gotten to know also through our various travels and meetings. but they think the world of him. and i don't think he needs my help. i'm honored that this is a day
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that's, i guess, just before your election i'm honored. but he will do very well with or without us. he's going to have a great success. and poland is going to continue on. they are doing incredibly well as a country. okay, please. >> thank you very much, mr. president. best regards to -- >> thank you. >> translator: polish television. [ speaking foreign language ] >> i want to ask about timing of the visit. president duda is the first president, the first international guest in the white house since the lockdown. and today there was a big military parade in moscow. can we combine those two facts? does it kind of prove that america, that poland is an important partner for america? we can rely on america and poland, thank you. >> well, i think you can. and we also are working with
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russia right now on an arms treaty, which is a very big thing, nuclear arms specifically. we're working very much. and i think i can say, mike, we're doing very well on that. we are two countries that pt to see it happen. and we're working on other things with russia. we have a very good relationship. we have our ambassador over there right now who will be attending certain festivities. and that's a good thing. and i think that's frankly a good thing for poland also. likewise, we're going to be having very important dignitaries at your parade. you're going to be having a very big event soon. and we're going to be -- i guess in august. and we're going to have people representing the united states at a very high level. that's very important to us also. >> translator: sir? i have this feeling and sense that i'm conducting conversations in polish matters here in very tough player that
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is president donald trump who is standing strongly and looking to the interest of his country and his citizens. i am representing and i am not parading in moscow. that is all. thank you very much. >> thank you all very much. we will see you soon. thank you very much. >> welcome to "the lead." i'm jake tapper. you have been listening to president trump taking questions along with polish president duda as the nation faces the coronavirus pandemic and reckoning on race, president trump saying that poland will get access to any potential treatment or vaccines for the novel coronavirus. he weighed in on policing reform efforts. the president also suggesting that he will have an executive order soon having to do with monuments. cnn's kaitlan collins is in the rose garden for us. the president -- actually i'm going to go to abby phillips
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first. an interesting moment when the president was asked about his position on both this executive order having to do with monuments and also the democrats blocking the republican effort at policing reform. he really started railing at democrats in general saying that they wanted to de-fund or abolish police. i mean, a very, not unusual for president trump, i suppose, but unusual for a president holding a joint-press conference with a world leader, continuing to try to draw very strong partisan contrasts. >> reporter: it really showed the degree to which he is very much focused on making clear what he is against, which is saying democrats want to de-fund the police, he is against that. but the question was actually about what he thought about the proposal being put forward by republicans, which would have put forward some police reforms that the democrats called modest. but police reforms nonetheless. and it's just been interesting
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that president trump has rarely talked about the specifics of that proposal, whether or not he really supports what is in that proposal, and whether he would be willing to put political capital behind pushing for that to actually make its way through the senate. instead, this has become just a kind of another political fight with the democrats as the president leans into his re-election message, which boils down to he is the law and order president. he said today, he's not going to do anything to weaken the police. while that is an argument that seems to sort of undercut the conversation that is happening nationally, which is not whether reform should happen but what that reform should look like. president trump is rarely kind of forward looking about that. he's more clear about what he is against than what he is for. and i think we saw that again today. >> kaitlan collins, we saw a bit of tension substantively when it came to the polish president
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saying that he hopes and he told president trump that there is no withdrawal of u.s. forces from europe. the polish president duda talking about how putin has imperial aims for the region. president trump talking about how he wants to send some troops home from germany, maybe send some others to poland. and, again, as has been a theme throughout the last four or five years, praising putin and talking about outreach to putin. >> reporter: yeah. and he talked about an arms deal that they're working on with the russian president. the concern about what's happening with the troops in germany has been one for several weeks now. and we still haven't gotten a lot of clarity from the white house on this. the president did confirm that, yes, they are going to be taking troops out of germany. he said some of those will be going to poland. but what he didn't say, jake, was how many of those troops or exact numbers or really when that's going to happen. and it comes as white house officials have been stressing those drawdown plans have not been formalized.
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they are very much in the early stages. the question is when is that going to happen. because the logistics of that is a lot. it's military members, their families. there's a massive base in germany. of course it is not the same situation in poland. so those have been the big questions that he's been facing. but you did hear the polish president say he thought it would be detrimental to have a u.s. president withdrawn from europe. but the president thinks by sending troops to poland, he thinks it sends a strong message to russia. there are still so many questions about the details of what that would look like or when that would even happen. >> sanjay gupta, let me bring you in. no specific question for president trump about how the novel coronavirus is spiking in several parts of the country, and the numbers of new cases of coronavirus going in the wrong direction. the united states yesterday had the third highest number, and
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the last time the first two numbers that were so high were in april. things are really heading in the wrong direction. nobody asked the president about that though. >> yeah. i was surprised. that is the worldwide issue obviously. and no one asked about the potential travel ban from the united states to the e.u. either. something that has not been finalized. but may be out there by july. but you're right. the numbers are going in the wrong direction. if we can show this, we took some time to actually tabulate when were sort of these peaks along the way. if you start looking at what happened in march and april and then sort of look at how the numbers have changed, take a look there, jake. so, beginning of april time frame, 34. and then 36,000 people being diagnosed in a single day. that was the peak. look where we are now. 34,720. the lowest was on june 1st and we've had a staggering sort of uptick. since then, as you can tell from
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the numbers there, the numbers are pretty clear. the concern, as you can tell, the first peak, where did we start? we started from basically very low zero numbers end of february and march. and now we're starting from 20,000 or so and we're heading back up. this is the concern that several places around the country when we went into stay at home sort of mode, jake, middle of march, there were fewer than 5,000 people in this country who had been infected and fewer than 80 people who had died. you're starting from a much higher sort of number of people infected and much more viruses out there as a result. people starting to become more mobile. there is a huge concern here, jake. in many places around the country, i don't think there's any place you could point to and say they're totally free and clear right now. >> and let me bring abby back. president trump has voted by mail. his press secretary has voted by mail. his vice president has voted by mail. but in the context of this
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election, the president also continues to rail against people who want to have increased vote by mail, especially in the middle of a pandemic. he's perpetuating numerous conspiracy theories about how foreign powers are going to commit voter fraud, absolutely no evidence for that. he's even gone so far as to claim that the november election will be the most corrupt in american history. again, no evidence for any of this. >> yeah. it is completely devoid of any facts here. and it's one of those things with president trump where he's become fixated on this idea that vote by mail is bad for him politically, personally. this is directly tied to his feeling that this election could come down to who votes and whether or not more people who are inclined to vote for democrats are allowed to vote. it really has nothing to do with any reality of voter fraud or
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any concerns among many republicans all across the country about whether or not vote by mail is actually bad for them. i've spoken to so many republicans from secretaries of states, allies of operatives who say it is not the right fight to be fighting about vote by mail. because vote by mail can be good for republicans. it has been over the years. we saw it just a few months ago in california. but when the president talks about this, he's been very clear in the last few days that he thinks that this could be something that affects him negatively in november. whether that is true or not, and he is fighting tooth and nail in the courts backed by the republican national committee to stop it. but in the process, it's undermining the election's process. i think that it is frustrating frankly to the republican officials who are running elections at the state level who i've spoken to, who are trying to do their very best to put
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together a fair election to have the president undermining it almost every single day, talking about fraud that simply does not exist. >> yeah. and, i mean, the context here of course is if president trump according to polls trails behind joe biden by double digits in some polls. but the one area where he is strong is that his voters seem more enthusiastic about voting for him than joe biden's voters are enthusiastic about voting for him, although they're enthusiastic to vote against donald trump. the easier it is for joe biden voters to vote won't be the worst for president trump. let me ask you the president also said there would soon be, in his words, a beautiful surprise when it comes to a vaccine. do you know anything about what he's talking about there? >> um, no. i mean, we've been following the
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vaccine trials very closely. there are a few that have been progressing very well. we heard, you know, quite a bit yesterday on the hearings about what the timetable could potentially be like maybe by the end of the year, early next year, there could be a vaccine which is in the process of finishing manufacturing, hopefully getting some trial results that are favorable at that point. so we're in june. i don't know what the upcoming beautiful surprise would be unless he's talking about some trial results which he's had access to from "operation warp speed." one thing i want to point out. we have not seen a lot of data about these vaccines. we of course hear what dr. anthony fauci has said who has struck an optimistic tone about this. as i've gone back through our reporting, there isn't a lot of peer-reviewed published data on where these vaccine trials really stand. we saw some results about the fact that eight patients formed neutralizing antibodies. we have other reports about animal studies.
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there was one peer-reviewed report that came out of china. but it strikes me in the end of june now that we still don't have data that we can look at that scientists can independently reviewed. we're going to need that before i can give you a better answer in terms of how promising or optimistic this all is. >> all right, abby phillip and dr. sanjay gupta, thanks to both of you. appreciate it. california just shattered its record of coronavirus cases, new ones. more than 7,000 cases reported in a single day. in florida, a similar story. more than 5,500 reported in one day. arizona has a record 88% of its hospital intensive care unit beds full. and the public health official in arizona warns that the hospitals could hit capacity by the fourth of july. the surge is so bad, now it's new york state, the former coronavirus epicenter joining with new jersey and connecticut
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to stop people from other hot spots in the united states from coming in. >> reporter: california, the first state to order a stay-at-home order, shattered a record, adding 7,000 new cases on tuesday. >> it is our behaviors that are leading to these numbers and we are putting people's lives at risk. >> reporter: covid-related hospitalizations and icu admissions also at an all-time high. the numbers in arizona, florida, and texas also surging. >> it's not just increase in the number of cases. it's the slope, the way it's accelerating. it's almost vertical. >> reporter: one south florida health system seeing a more than 100% increase in the number of covid-19 patients in the last two weeks. >> we're not where we need to be. >> if you don't like wearing a mask, you're not going to like wearing a ventilator. >> reporter: as of tuesday just 12% of arizona's icu beds were available. >> we're going to go into surge capacity mode probably by the
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fourth of july. so the most urgent thing i think is to get the hospital systems ready. >> reporter: nationwide, more than half of u.s. states reporting an increase in new cases over the past week. more states and cities around the country now requiring face coverings as experts warn we may need more drastic measures. >> if it were up to me, we would do exactly what we did towards the end of march, which is full implement a full lockdown and social distancing. >> reporter: new york, new jersey, and connecticut where cases are trending down want to keep it that way. >> people coming in from states that have a high infection rate must quarantine for 14 days. >> reporter: as of today, nine states subject to that new order which comes with hefty fines starting at $2,000. >> it's time for personal responsibility. >> reporter: the new york city marathon, which attracts more than 50,000 runners and nearly a million spectators every fall, canceled over coronavirus fears.
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major league baseball, however, will take the field this summer. 60 games starting in late july. coinciding with that news, more positive cases among the phillies and reports of infection for the rockies too. and as we take a look at what's happening with masks around the country, the governor of north carolina instituting a mask policy in that state. governor ron desantis asked again about masks in florida. he said a statewide mask enforcement doesn't really make sense. he encourages it but enforcement would be tough. we just got a new update from that imag model we all see a lot, which is now predicting about 180,000 deaths by october 1st. it's important to note that's down a little bit from their last prediction about ten days ago. but if 95% of americans started to wear masks, that number could drop to october 1st. that estimate would be about 146,000 deaths, jake. >> and, erica, i'm old enough to
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remember when the governor of rhode island months ago said that new yorkers entering the state of rhode island would be stopped and fined, and new york governor cuomo was furious, he called it unconstitutional. it's not the first time governor cuomo has contradicted himself in this whole crisis. but it's interesting that he's now threatening to do the same thing to people from other hot spots coming into new york. >> reporter: he threatened to sue, you may recall, that was back at the end of march, the governor of rhode island was actually asked today at a press conference about this decision for the quarantine measure for the tri-state area. she's happy he's come around to her way of thinking. but she did say she thinks it's a good idea. she's actually looking at something similar for rhode island. and she said it may be more stringent looking specifically the countys people are coming from but she's not quite ready to announce anything yet, jake. >> difficult to put in effect given the fact that you're allowed to, like, cross borders
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of other states in the united states. erica hill in new york, thank you so much. appreciate it. florida's hardest hit county is seeing a surge of younger, less sick coronavirus patients. one hospital in miami-dade reported a 101% increase in just the past 15 days of covid-19 patients admitted to their hospitals. joining us now, dr. richard besser, the former acting director of the cdc. dr. besser, good to see you as always. miami-dade county mayor said that younger residents are going out to residents and other businesses not wearing masks, not avoiding crowds. what should that mayor or governor desantis do to stop this huge spike going on in florida and specific counties? >> yeah. jake, the big challenge is that across the nation starting at the top we're getting mixed messages. there's not a single public health leader who isn't taking
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this seriously, who doesn't recognize that we're in the early days and that the actions we take now will determine whether that model that erica hill was talking about proves true. it's not a crystal ball. if we're able to implement the measures the public health has been pushing, this road map for opening the economy in a sustainable way, we can affect that. what you see is the governor wearing masks and telling people they need to social distance, they need to keep six feet apart and they need to stay home if they're sick. thankfully young people are going to do well with this. most of them, not all, but most will do well. but many live with elderly people or are in contact with elderly people. that's how disease spreads through communities if we're not all taking this seriously. >> so, hospitalizations in miami-dade county are up nearly 25% in just two weeks.
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the percent of positive test results hit 26%, a record high. what do these numbers tell you? >> well, the 26% positivity, what that tells you is that if they were really doing as much testing as they should, they would find a lot more cases. what you're seeing across the nation is the positivity rate. you test 100 people, how many are positive. that's dropping dramatically across the nation and in many places in new jersey it's less than 3%. if you're at the 20%, that means that there is a lot of people out there with milder infection that you're not picking up and you've got a real problem on your hands. you've got to really step up the measures. you have to step up in terms of reducing the exposure people have. you have to get away from these messages of, hey, everybody, it's okay, go back to work and enjoy your social life. they're dealing with a problem that will increase
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exponentially. >> so the hospitalization data also paints a picture of who is getting infected in the jackson health system in miami. new infections were highest among the county's lower income communities. many of the younger patients were going to the hospital for treatment, not for intensive care. what do you expect to see in a few weeks in miami, miami-dade based on what we're seeing now? >> well, there are a couple things. if you look at who's been hit hardest throughout this pandemic, every community's been hit. but people of color have been hit the hardest. higher rates of people of color who have to work. they don't have the luxury of saying, hey, i'm going to work reloet moatly. so you have a lot of people who are exposing workers. they're putting people at risk who are out there trying to earn some income to put food on the table and to pay the rent. we're coming into the summer where the extended unemployment benefits are expiring. where protections for eviction and foreclosure are expiring.
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and so people are going to be working. and it is a dangerous situation when you have these increasing rates of disease. because hospitalizations lag greatly behind infections. we're seeing massive increases in the number of cases. it'll be a couple weeks before the people there exposed develop symptoms. ask then a couple weeks before some succumb to the illness. you have to act when you see the earliest signs, or it's really late. and then you're playing a lot of catchup. >> florida's just one of several states that are seeing a rising number of coronavirus cases. there's california, texas, arizona, and georgia among the top five. some of those states were criticized, the governors were, for opening up early, such as georgia governor kemp, texas governor abbott. california which is also having serious problems, governor
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newsom and the other politicians there have been pretty aggressive from the beginning. today in california the state reported a record high, 7,000 new cases in one day. so, what's going wrong in california? >> well, one of the challenges, jake, is that we've yet to see a state that's been able to get that drop, control it and see massive drops like we saw in california, we're seeing in new york and new jersey, massachusetts. we've yet to see whether any of them can transition from everyone under lockdown to rapidly identifying cases, doing contact tracing, and then getting everyone into isolation and quarantine. that's the model that a lot of other countries have used successfully. but if we're not able to do that and transition to that model, then the alternative is you open up the economy gradually, and as numbers start to go up, you have to backtrack and slow things down again. but i'd like to see an effective
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way of people engaging with communities, making sure that those who are infected are willing to share their contacts, their contacts are able to isolate. but for a lot of people telling someone that they've had contact with someone with coronavirus and they need to stay in quarantine for 14 days means they're going to lose their job. and for them, the choice is, well, i'm going to risk it. maybe i won't get sick. maybe i won't infect somebody else because the alternative is being under quarantine losing my job, maybe being evicted. we haven't built the systems to make sure that we can make this transition successfully. >> all right, dr. richard besser, always great to have you on. thank you so much for your expertise. turning now to our national lead, senate democrats block debate on the republican's policing reform bill today drafted by senator tim scott of south carolina. democrats called the bill an inadequate response to police brutality and racial injustice.
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emphasized state level reforms and limiting use of chokeholds, while the democratic plan called for national mandates on matters such as requiring officer body cams and outright banning chokeholds. house speaker nancy pelosi went as far as to suggest republicans are trying to get away with the murder of george floyd with their proposed bill. >> for something to happen, they're going to have to face the realities of police brutality, the reality of the need for justice in policing. they were trying to get away with the murder of george floyd. >> senate majority leader mitch mcconnell called the mark jaw dropping accusing democrats of waivering on their initial requirements for the bill. >> two weeks ago it was implied the senate would have blood on our hands if we didn't take up police reform. now democrats say 48 other senates have blood on our hands
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because we are trying to take up police reform. >> when asked if she wanted to apologize for her remarks, speaker pelosi said absolutely positively not. joining me now to discuss this issue is the author of the new book "five days: the firing reckoning of an american city" which looks into the freddie gray riots in baltimore. thanks so much for joining us. i'm wondering what you think about the senate democrats' decision to block debate on the republican policing legislation. they say it's not comprehensive enough, it doesn't meet the moment. others say some reform is better than none. what do you think? >> i think we need to come up with reform that is actually meaningful and doesn't just address the circumstances we've seen in recent history. but also address the things that we have long known have been challenges when it comes to policing reform. when we're coming up with bills that are actually looking at this, we understand that state
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and local jurisdiction has a lot of authority when it comes to policing. but the federal government has a role. and the bill has to come up with a way of being able to address the role that the federal government has. so, for example, a bill that does not address qualified immunity that shields officers from accountability. a bill that is looking at and essentially incentivizing this idea of banning chokeholds and not necessarily requiring it. this is a very serious time. we have now had a chance because of what happened to mr. floyd, we've literally seen a homicide on camera. and so many of the reforms that have to be in place that we've been talking about for a very long time, this becomes a moment to address them properly. and, frankly -- >> it does feel like we're in a moment though nationally even if congress is failing to pass anything yet on the federal level. we are seeing changes being made at the state level, city level,
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and businesses at least 12 states are either banning or severely restricting the use of chokeholds. pepsi, as one example, has pledged to add 100 black employees to executive positions. do you think addressing racial injustice at the state and corporate levels be the way forward, and will that be enough? >> yeah. i think what this moment is calling for all of us to do is look at what is all of our collective responsibilities to be able to address this moment? i mean, we're coming off of a situation where we've watched two crises come at our doorstep within a matter of months. one was the crisis of coronavirus. the other was the unnecessary reminder of unequitable policing. but those two things have a similar focus and something in common. that at its core, it's the issue of race. and so whether you're talking about a virus that disproportionately hit communities of color, both in terms of infection rate and also deaths and also what we're
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seeing with policing. i think right now all of us, every single industry is being called to say what else can we do to be able to push back on these mechanisms that we see and understand the fact that racism is not an act. racism is a system. and it's a system that allows for a black college graduate to have the same earning power as a white high school dropout. and a black woman to have a much higher death rate than a white woman. what this is calling for all of us to do is think about in our own spaces what are the things that we can actively do to identify the challenges that exist will racial and racial inequities show themselves and then be able to come up with creative and truly hard weights of being able to attack this problem. >> in your book you write about how interactions with police shape the lives of black americans. you write, quote, for many black americans, their experience with
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criminal justice forecloses work, housing and other avenues that might lead. so, if this is a systemic problem, as you see it, where do we begin? how do we change this? >> i think we have to first change exactly what it is we're asking law enforcement to do. because the things that change the interactions, it isn't even just the conviction. it's simple interactions with law enforcement that can change trajectories. and we have data that reinforces that. i think we have to really start to pull back and understand what is it that we're asking our law enforcement officers to do, how are we thinking about the funding mechanisms, the fact that every dollar in the nypd, youth development gets 11 cents. what are we requiring for our law enforcement to be able to perform in our society. then how do we have a larger
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societal briefing conversation about how we can rethink all these assets -- no longer have to serve as barriers. >> all right, wes moore, thank you so much. good luck with your book. really appreciate it. new warning signs for president trump today in our 2020 lead, not only does a new national poll show joe biden with a double-digit lead over the president, but two candidates endorsed by president trump lost their primary races last night as cnn's boris sanchez reports for us, these struggles have led to some very familiar tactics from president trump. >> reporter: a rare scene today, vice president mike pence on capitol hill seen wearing a mask. >> it's an honor to have president duda -- >> reporter: while his boss welcomed the first world leader to the white house since the pandemic started without wearing one. president trump mired in a nationwide spike in coronavirus cases and widespread unrest over
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police brutality is seeing his poll numbers slumping 14 points behind joe biden in a new "new york times" siena college survey of registered voters with the former vice president strengthening his lead among women and nonwhite voters. the poll only the latest of four cast trump as an underdog in the 020 fight. cnn and fox polls released earlier this month both showing a double-digit lead for biden. last night more bad news for trump. his preferred candidates losing their primary battles, even after trump demanded he be thrown out of the republican party, congressman thomas massey gliding to victory in kentucky's 4th district. and despite calling on gop voters to help drain the swamp by electing lynda bennett, her 24-year-old opponent drubbing bennett, almost certain to take
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white house chief of staff mark meadows' seat in the fall. though he says his victory was not a referendum on trump. >> he was talking about how amazing a victory it was. he defined it as beautiful. >> facing these political obstacles, trump has started retreating to his red meat rhetoric on the campaign trail. stopping for a photo op at a section of border wall in arizona tuesday before a speech to young supporters in which he repeated his racist phrase for coronavirus, and again spread false conspiracy theories about mail-in ballots. >> the democrats are also trying to rig the election by sending out tens of millions of mail-in ballots, using the china virus as the excuse for allowing people not to go to the polls. >> our thanks to boris sanchez for that report in our world lead. president trump continually points to shutting down air
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travel for some people coming from china and then from people -- people coming from the e.u. and other places. as one of the main ways that he was trying to stop coronavirus from coming to the united states. but now it's american travelers who may be banned because of the european union is debating blocking any visitors from countries with severe coronavirus outbreaks. and as cnn's nic robertson reports, that includes us. >> we've been working with countries all across the world including our friends in europe. >> reporter: secretary of state mike pompeo with his first public reaction to europe's plan to possibly ban americans from traveling there because of coronavirus. >> we certainly don't want to reopen something that jeopardizes the united states from people traveling here. and we certainly don't want to cause problems any place else. >> reporter: last week, e.u. leaders sent a letter to pompeo urging the u.s. to lift its ban
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on europe ean travelers. >> we made a life-saving move with early action on china. now we must take the same action with europe. >> reporter: now with american infections spiking across the country, the e.u. is considering returning the favor. though, an eu official tells cnn their decision isn't political. their plan, though, seems to hurt america the most. >> first epidemiological situation in a third country. second, the containment measures while traveling. >> reporter: and the third reciprocity. >> if we open up from traveling into the e.u., we expect that this country should open up from the traveling from our countries to that country. >> reporter: currently, the u.s. fails two out of those three criteria. e.u. citizens are banned from the u.s. so no reciprocity. europe has less covid-19 than the usa.
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e.u. countries have an average of 15 cases of covid-19 per 100,000 people. the u.s. has 106.7 per 100,000. and is unlikely to make that threshold currently set at 50 cases per 100,000. e.u. officials are, quote, working around the clock ahead of a july 1st deadline when the e.u.'s internal borders are mostly opened up, agreeing among themselves as the biggest challenge, consensus among the e.u.'s 27 nations is never easy. even so, it doesn't look good for americans. in what's become a growing political rift between the u.s. and european countries since trump took office. >> europe has been treating us very badly. >> reporter: but whatever lists and guidance the e.u. comes up with it, it's still up to the 27 individual member nations on who they led into their country. take portugal, for example,
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letting brazilian travelers in at the moment and the covid-19 infection rate in brazil is almost double that in the united states. so, be perhaps that dream of an american getaway in europe this summer isn't really over just yet, jake. >> all right. our thanks to nic robertson for that reporting. our coverage on cnn continues right now. thanks for watching. ♪ this is cnn breaking news. >> welcome to our viewers here in the united states and around the world. i'm wolf blitzer in "the situation room." we're following breaking news. the coronavirus death toll here in the united states has now climbed past 121,000 people, with record new cases in both california and florida. and a new model predicts nearly 180,000 americans will die by october 1st,nl