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tv   Anderson Cooper 360  CNN  July 15, 2020 9:00pm-10:00pm PDT

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good evening. we begin tonight with what a self-proclaimed wartime president looks like with more than 137,000 american lives lost in the war. and we should point out, what you are about to see is how he wants to look. it's no accident. we're not about to show you some kind of unguarded, unflattering, behind the scenes moment. no. this is a picture the president of the united states posed for and put out on his instagram page. it's the image he chooses to project to the families and neighbors of 137,000 americans. this is our wartime president today. and while there is plenty more that could be said about the idiotic way it came to be. the pettiness behind it.
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or the political calculations, if any, that went into it. the truth is any attempt to explain or contextualize this grotesque photo only adds to insult. so we will let it speak for itself, exactly what it is. a picture of the most powerful man on earth face the most serious challenge on earth, behind the famed, resolute desk and a can of beans, plus a few other items from aisle 9. thumbs up. grinning like he just won a prize. 137,000 americans dead and this is our self-proclaimed wartime president's answer to it. he hasn't been to a coronavirus task force meeting since april, we're told. he's been could o doing everything he can to undermine our nation's scientists. he's lied about it. thinks it will magically disappear. and given the death toll and the spread of the virus, you might think he might be spending every waking moment trying to combat it. talking to victims' families,
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ral rally americans to wash their hands, protecting their neighbors. but no, this is what he wants the world to see. the newly grieving, anyone on instagram, the more clicks for this president the better. so we want to just hold up this picture. we want to give the president what he is so obviously craving. we are going to keep this ridiculous picture up while we tell you what is happening on his watch, starting with this assessment today from the nation's top infectious disease specialist and senior member of his own task force. the one he is a been undermining, that is, when he is not posing with canned beans. >> the problem is, since we started off our baseline so high, as we tried to open up, what we saw was it went from 20,000 cases a day to 30, 40, 50. and now, we're hanging around 60,000. that's untenable. we have got to turn that around. >> in fact, as we left you last night, new data came in from the
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johns hopkins university public school of health showing another cases most ever in a single day, anywhere on earth. the majority of whom will develop symptoms. many will be hospitalized in just a matter of weeks by current mortality estimates of those 67,000 people, about 2 dho2,700 will die. they're holding steady in nine and dropping in just three. maine, delaware, and arizona. arizona, though, which has been hit hard lately, this may not be a sign the worst is over. as dr. quinn snyder told us last night, there is no room left for more. park patients, he said, are being transported elsewhere out of state because icus are simply out of capacity. positivity rates remain above 20%. that is when people can get tested, which many still can't. for the first time in the outbreak, houston's death toll is in double digits for a single day and hospitals there are full. miami-dade county reported today it is now out of icu beds.
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dr. eileen marty, who's been on the program several times said, today, quote, on a scale of one to ten, we're maximum -- we're at maximum urgency. we need to turn this around right now. florida's governor has still not issued a statewide mask mandate. oklahoma's governor, who attended the president's rally in tulsa, he has now tested positive. walmart, now requiring all customers to wear face coverings in their store. the president, though, having shown that he can wear a mask. once again, refused to during his trip to atlanta today. he did not wear a mask, did not mention the lives lost, did not mention the record case count or how to get those numbers down. but he did, once again, say he thinks there are 21 different names for, what he calls, the china virus because apparently that line sounds funny to him. despite the fact that sentiments like that stoke against asian-americans. he -- through his trade advisor
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peter navarro under the bus, after navarro who has no knowledge of epidemics, because he is a social design tickescie an op-ed criticizing the nation's foremost expert in the field. >> we're all in the same team, including dr. fauci. i have a very good relationship with dr. fauci. >> that's peter navarro. but i have a very good relationship with dr. fauci. >> the president doesn't even have the courage to publicly attack dr. fauci. that's how weak he is. he has his hangers on to it like peter navarro. and nods approval. but publicly, when the cameras are going, everything's great with fauci. but he is undercutting him every step of the way. they don't allow fauci on our town halls, a lot of television programs anymore. they don't want you to see him. they send him to other meetings when the few times the virus task force is holding an actual
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briefing or at least the last time they did. that's our wartime president. the guy sitting behind a desk with cans of beans. with 137,000 americans dead. and many more dying. he is trying to damage control on the damage that he, himself, has done. in a new quinnipiac poll, only 37% of people trust the information the president's providing on the outbreak. frankly, it's startling that it's that high. 67% said they distrust it. for dr. fauci, that figure is reversed. which may explain why he's been marginalized, kept off national television, may explain why the president has retweeted fire fauci memes about him and undercut him in public. according to reporting, the los angeles times, the president, himself, approved that peter navarro op-ed. the pipaper citing one administration official, not only was he authorized by trump, he was encouraged. that's the way this president works. privately, he encourages but apparently didn't have the guts to admit it publicly. and we shouldn't be surprised by
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that. or tell the public why he disagreed with dr. fauci. apparently, has nothing to say now but fauci, thankfully, does. >> they are really, i think, taken aback by what a big mistake that was. and i think, if you talk to reasonable people in the white house, they realize that was a major mistake on their part. because it doesn't do anything but reflect poorly on them. and i don't think that that was their intention. i don't know. i cannot figure out, in my wildest dreams, why they would want to do that. but i mean, i think they realize now that that was not a prudent thing to do, because it's only reflecting negatively on them. i can't explain peter navarro. he's in a world by himself, so i don't want even want to go there. >> fact is, though, dr. fauci's wrong. he is not in a world by himself. he works in the white house. he works for the most powerful man in the country. and there is a reason for that. there's reason he is in the white house. because the president wants him there.
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dr. fauci is trying to ascribe good motives to a lot of folks in the white house, who maybe are talking to him and privately saying, gosh, that was a really terrible thing. we don't know why he would do that. we feel terrible about it but they won't say that to the president's face. they'll say that to fauci, publicly. they don't have the guts, either. and that's why they work for the commander in chief. because he has no guts, either. what ever the answer, the administration today put out this picture of dr. fauci at today's task force meeting. they are following ts lead of the president. publicly, again, they pretend everything is fine. so, here, they put out, very intentionally, a picture of him talking with vice president pence. but again, behind his back, they try to destroy the man, who has more credibility than any of them. none of this would matter, wouldn't amount to a hill of beans but this is our president and people are dying, people are sick, and more will die, and more will get sick. and our economy is in shambles. we're in a public health battle for our lives and our futures. and the president is sitting there, behind the resolute desk, resolutely, clutching at beans.
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joining us now, cnn chief medical correspondent dr. sanjay gupta. also, william haseltine, former harvard researcher and recent author of "a family guide to covid, questions, and answers". >> still no plan from president trump and the federal government. i mean, does -- i mean, we have had this conversation over and over again. and with good professor haseltine as well. but without federal engagement, i mean, you know, professor haseltine in the past has said the answer is each of us doing all we can. citizens and -- and everybody else, stakeholders, being involved. but, without federal government, does this get better? >> i think it's -- it's very hard for it to get better. clearly, the status quo is not working, anderson. the numbers continue to get worse. i think what we're seeing, now, is we're seeing a pattern. the reason that the federal sort of guidance is so important is
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because what happens in so many communities now, and states, is that things get into a real crisis situation before action is taken. i mean, people know what to do. the public health sort of strategy is actually not that complicated here. we've seen it work in certain states in this country, for periods of time. we have seen it work in countries around the world. i mean, we don't have to remind people that there are countries around the world, who have had -- you know, they've had fewer people, throughout this entire pandemic, who have gotten infected than has happened in certain states, in just one day in this country. so the public health strategy is obvious. b but, you know, what's happening is these states basically are redlining, and then the virus makes the decision for them. they have to either go into some sort of shutdown mode because the hospitals overly full. or they have these terrible situations where people can't get care when they need it. >> professor haseltine, has there been a country in the industrialized world that has ever responded to a -- you know,
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a pandemic or a national health emergency as badly as we are, right now? i mean, i'm trying to think of other examples of -- i mean, i can understand the countries that are -- you know, that lack resources, have totally corrupt leadership not responding. but i -- i -- it's hard to kind of imagine anyone else handling this the way the united states has. >> well, we're in a small, select, unfortunate group of countries that includes brazil, russia, and india. those are different kinds of countries. but certainly, some of them have well-developed economies. and are a mix of developed and developing nations. so we are doing extremely poorly. it's a very dangerous situation. and it's getting worse. we desperately need federal guidance, and we, the southern states, as we've discussed before, need federal help.
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they're running out of resources. and they're shipping people to hospitals that aren't, necessarily, well prepared to deal with them. they will be, shortly, turning away people for lack of facilities. it's a dire situation in some parts of our country. and it's crying out for a federal intervention. >> sanjay, part of what dr. fauci told "the atlantic" magazine today was we got to reset this. let's stop this nonsense. we got to figure out how we can get our control over this, now. that, certainly, sounds -- that makes sense. but again, without the president buying in, and all the people around the president, i'm not sure how any of that changes. >> yeah. i mean, you know, i think that the guidelines that were set out were pretty straightforward. pretty easy to understand. i mean, if you want to do a reset, it doesn't even necessarily mean you have to shut down the whole country again, although some parts of
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the country would likely need to be shut down. if you are living in a community where the case numbers have gone up five days in a row, you got to go back a phase, and that might mean shutting down. you need to get the numbers down 14 days in a row. if you start to do that, there is a path out of this. i mean, this doesn't -- this is not an inevitable situation that's unfolding right now. create a tsunami of activity around testing. it was, you know, two and a half months ago that ambassador birx said we need a breakthrough on testing. we still don't have it. people in nursing homes often can't get tested. in arizona, it might take you 11 days to get your test results back. we're in the middle of july now. so the reset involves, basically, doing all the things that we know how to do. that we said we were going to do. that people promised we would do. we just need to actually do them now, at this point. i mean, i don't know what else it takes, anderson. we come on every night and talk about this. my parents live in florida. people are really frightened down there because of what dr. haseltine is saying. they are worried that, you know,
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somebody's going to have shortness of breath, they're going to call for an ambulance. and they're going to be told, hey, look, we'd love to -- to -- to come get you but we don't know where to take you because there's so many icu beds that are full. so you're going to have to ride it out at home. it's unbelievable and we just keep saying it. i don't know what else to say, at this point. >> it's so strange, professor, you know, i remember you talking in the past on this program. about when you were a kid and polio was something where there was a concern. and people just knew how to behave. not going out, you know, young -- young kids wouldn't go out in groups of more than three. you knew not to do a lot of community activities. you know, you think back to world war ii when there was this national effort to -- to fight the war and beat back fascism, which was an extraordinary, you know, nationwide effort. not even talking about globally. but just in terms of this country, alone. and, you know, mask wearing could be a patriotic thing. it's -- it's protecting our country. you know, social distancing could've been sold as a patriotic effort. you know, to get our country
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back on track. and yet, all that has just been squandered. >> well, you know, i think what may happen is over the school reopenings. i hear, and i am working right now on understanding this movement more. but i can tell you, everybody who listens will hear a scream of anguished parents. they don't know what's going to happen. and parents are vocal. they have a real passion for protection of their children. and i think that they may be the tipping point. that convinces, even the most recalcitrant amongst the administration and our congress, that it's really time to get serious. when the average mother is terrified for her child, to send that child to school, you have a political force of significant magnitude. and i think if the politicians are listening to what i'm hearing, they'll pay attention. it's what we need now. >> dr. sanjay, dr. fauci made a
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there was a lot of similarities between what was happening now and 1918. and -- and the comment was sort of perceived as this could have the same sort of impact, magnitude, of that pandemic of 100 years ago. when we talked today, he wanted to make it clear he's obviously very worried about this pan dem ir ic as we all are. but the idea, still, if you account for the change in population, that could mean 200, 250 million people would die from this pandemic. he did not want to suggest this. as bad as this is, as gloomy as the numbers are, the entire situation is, we are still a different world than we were 100 years ago. this is a contagious virus. it's circum dfb navigating the globe. but we do know how to take care of people in hospitals, if they can get there. intensive care unit is -- intensive care is much better.
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we, possibly, have therapeutics that are coming along. and maybe even a vaccine. so i think he wanted to be careful in terms of, as bad as this is, we still need to -- to not overstate how bad this could be. >> yeah. certainly, agree with that. professor haseltine, thank you so much. appreciate it. sanjay, we are going to talk to you a little bit in just a moment. want to get your take on some promising vaccine news. we will be joined by the chief medical officer of the company. and later, we'll speak with a covidak witg with the aftereffects, months later. you really need to hear what this man and his wife went through. ♪ ♪
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we have been talking tonight about some on stackslebstacles
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fight against the pandemic. our next guest company is one reason why chief medical officer at moderna and the first published data on a vaccine candidate has just come out in the journal of medicine. doctor, thanks so much for being with us. can you just walk us through exactly what the latest trial found? and was it what you expected? >> anderson, happy to be here. yes, this is the first trial our colleagues have actually tested the ability of our vaccine to generate an immune response in healthy volunteers. and what was done here was to expose three groups of individuals to a low, medium, and then high dose, and then measure in their blood how much antibodies do they produce? and whether those antibodies could, indeed, inhibit the ability of this virus to affect cells. and of course, the first thing you look for is always safety and tolerability so that was an important measure as well. what we have found here and
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described is that in every one of the individuals exposed, even at the lower dose, we can see antibodies. and we can see antibodies that have neutralizing activity. if you look at the medium and high doses, the levels of antibodies exceed, on average, the levels of those people who have actually been sick with covid-19. on the other side, the safety and tolerability profile. was consistent with what we have seen with other similar vaccines with our technology. so the good news is no surprises there. what we do see is the expected mechanics of sort of local and systemic side effects, which means you may get a little pain in t injection site. and you may feel transient flu-like symptoms on the day or day after of having received the vaccine. and i don't want to make light of it. we had seen a couple of individuals, three to be exact, at the high dose, that even had severe manifestations. the important thing is that these are solicited actions that
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are expected. they're graded according to fda guidance for this purpose. and they're transient and self-limited. at the end of the day, when we stand book and look at tack and, we think that, at the medium dose, we have an optimal dose that should be safe and well tolerated to further develop. and very clear evidence of the ability to elicit antibodies, neutralizing antibodies, in everybody who got it. >> i want to get to the development of it and sort of the timeline of that in a moment. sanjay's going to join us in just a second. but do you have a sense of how long those antibodies might be effective for? i mean, obviously, that's an unknown with people who have had covid-19. it's not clear, you know, what level immunity they have, and n for how long. >> that is a great question. and let me give you three parts to the answer. first, we don't know the duration of antibodies, as you state, yourself. our entire history of knowing this vaccine or this disease and
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studying it has only been about six months long. >> right. >> it is clear, though, there are emerging data that people who have very mild disease, and maybe are asymptomatic, will have lower levels of antibodies. and those levels tend to wane quicker. so it -- in that context, the ability to generate neutralizing antibodies that, on average, exceed what you see in sick people. and by and large, from what we know to date, someone who has been sick is very unlikely to get sick again in the near-term future. so at least by exceeding those levels, we believe that your ability of the vaccine effect should be measurable in months. how long is it going to be? is it going to be a year? two years? of course, we are going to have to follow subjects longer to figure that out. >> sanjay's with us. sanjay, i know you have a question. >> yeah. thank you for being here. couple things. one, it was two shots the participants received, right? separated by about a month.
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with regard to the side effects, you mentioned what they were. but these were -- these were all healthy people. 45 healthy people, between the ages of 18 and 55. everybody did have a side effect, it sounds like, even in that mid-dose group. how worried are you about this, especially as you start to include older people, people who might have pre-existing conditions? how big a concern is this for you? >> so, look, i'm the chief medical officer. my first concern is always the safety of our products, and -- and, in this case, obviously, we're about to embark on a very large phase three trial. so we have to be sure that we're doing it carefully and i'll come back to that. in terms of what we have seen, the interesting point about the safety is if you look at the side-effect profile, after the first dose, you don't see much. you see most of these adverse events come in after the second dose. and they are self-limited and transient. and so, what it teaches me is that a component of this adverse
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event profile is that you're actually activating the immune system, specifically, to recognize something. and if that something is the spiked protein, the hook, if you will, that this virus uses to attach itself to cells. then, i suspect that it's the yin and yang of having an effective vaccination. and so, we're left, then, with the question, is it worth, you know, an evening or two of flu-like symptoms for the sense that you will then be protected, possibly, from being ill with covid-19? i think that's, you know, like for any medicine, be it a drug or vaccine, it's ultimately a question of benefit/risk. i think the potential benefit of protecting people from this vaccine, seeing what this disease and this pandemic is causing around us, is quite significant. >> sanjay, explain why you're concerned. >> well, you know, i mean, the -- the risk-reward relationship here is really important. so, you know, you have 80% of
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the population who -- who will have minimal or no sum symptoms after exposure to this virus. that statistic has sort of held up since original wuhan data. if you are giving this to healthy people, here, it's healthy people. so i think the bar by which you look at side effects has to be, you know, has to be higher, right? doctor, i mean, i think that -- and i think that there is a concern. you know, older people. are they going to have the same immune response? the same amount of neutralizing antibodies? might they have more of the risk of the side effects? obviously, we don't know that and that's what has to be decided. if i could just say, when dr. haseltine was just on, he, yesterday, was saying he gives this a -- he's bait ofit of a s. he gives this a 50/50 chance right now of this carrying all the way through. and i'm just wondering what you think the likelihood of all this translating into a vaccine that's workable for people. >> and also, what's your timeline on this, dr. zaks?
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>> there's a lot of questions. so let me try to do them one at a time. i completely agree, the bar for any vaccine should be very high. it's not the same as a medicine. woe we do intend to give it to healthy people. and you asked a question about older adults. that is absolutely correct. in fact, this phase one trial has already enrolled cohorts of older and elderly people. we haven't disclosed data yet but obviously we are looking at that carefully to make sure both the ability to generate immune response, as well as the safety profile, warrants further development. and i can tell you we're looking at that closely, as are our colleagues at the fda. in terms of understanding that safety profile, look, at the end of the day, this was a phase one trial and the question is do you have enough to continue development? i think the answer is, absolutely, yes. but the next steps should and must be careful evaluation, in the context of a very large,
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randomized trial. that's a trial, in which you give half the volunteers a vaccine. and the other half, you give placebo. to ensure you have a full understanding of, both the ability of this vaccine to prevent disease, and the understanding of the safety profile. now, we're doing that, actually, in quite a conservative matter. if you look at the statistics, we've disclosed them today. all of that design is public and transparent. this study will be monitored by an independent body of experts, data safety monitoring board. those are experts appointed by the nih and it's part of harmonized efforts to look at other vaccines, concurrently. and so, i feel very confident. you're not going to have to trust me on this. there will be the right, appropriated body of experts that will look at the data, as it emerges, to ascertain that, indeed, the benefit-risk profile warrants deployment. now, you asked me in terms of probability of success. >> yeah. >> look, i'm spending every day
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of my life. me and the -- the -- the very dedicated team of colleagues, on whose behalf i'm hear speaking tonight. to do our very best and our part so that we can leverage this technology that we've been spending years of our life developing, just towards this application. we believe that the chances of this working are pretty good. and the reasons are that the ability of neutralizing antibodies to the right immune response, i think has been demonstrated in preclinical models. we have shown now this vaccine can induce levels of those antibodies, even levels that can exceed what you see in natural infection. so, on balance, we're, both, cautiously optimistic but fully dedicated to seeing this through. >> doctor, really appreciate all you are doing and appreciate your time. thank you very much. we wish you the best on this. up next, long lines for testing in california. even longer wait times to get results. why the first state to impose a
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the west as california today reported its second highest single day increase in cases and deaths. 11,026 new cases. 140 additional lives lost. subsequent lag in processing results has forced officials to -- who can test immediately and who may have to wait. nick watt with more on the surge. what's the latest in california, nick? >> anderson, right now, if you are asymptomatic but you really think there is a strong risk that you may have the virus, you can't get tested in california right now. and the reason is the overwhelming demand, the backlog in the labs, and the state wants to get the time between a test
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and a result down to 48 hours, or less. and right now, it is over that. so they are prioritizing the testing. the problem is, you know, the people have been taking a lot of the blame for the spread of the virus right now are the young, the asymptomatic, the out and about. so right now, if you are one of those people and you want to do the right thing, and come and get a test just in case. well, right now, in california, you can't. >> nick watt, appreciate it. thank you, nick. joining me now to talk about the surge of cases in california, san francisco mayor london breed, who issued one of the first shelter-in-place orders back in mid-march. thanks for being with us. the public health director is now saying there is a surge in cases there. what are you attributing that to? and what are your biggest concerns and needs? >> well, the fact is, from the very beginning, our public health director made it clear that, as we began to move around and come in close contact with one another, there's a real
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possibility that we may see more cases. so i think it's attributed to the fact that we are reopening. we are seeing more people out and about. and we know that people are tired of, really, sheltering in place. but the fact is, the virus out there, we're living with it. so we need to make adjustments, so that we can keep one another safe. >> do you know, though, where the, you know, the -- the big spread is taking place? you know, in other places, bars have been an issue. lot of indoor activities. obviously, there were huge demonstrations in the streets in -- in a number of places. do you have a sense of where the spread has taken place? >> well, just so you know, san francisco is the second-densest city in the country. and what we are seeing in more dense parts of the city, like the southeast sector and the east side of san francisco, we see more cases. and we, also, see a huge surge with our latino population, which represents over 50% of the cases. and many of them are working
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in -- in various industries. so i think that our strategy has been outreach and dealing with challenges around equity. and making sure people feel comfortable with testing. it's been a real challenge to get to various populations. but we are committed to doing that. so i wouldn't attribute it to one thing. but we do see more people out and about. we do see people who feel the need to go to work. it's been a real challenge. >> in terms of contact tracing, things like that, how -- what are your capabilities in san francisco? obviously, it's been a huge issue across the country. >> yeah. we have increased -- we were one of the very first cities to actually implement a strong contact-tracing program. we used disaster service workers. people who worked throughout the city, to come and be trained through the university of california-san francisco, to begin that process. and so, we're contacting about 80% of people who have been in contact with someone who is covid positive. it has been an incredible program so i think our capacity there is doing okay. b
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but of course, we can always do better. >> i talked to somebody in florida i think in miami they were saying they're around 17%. 80%. that's really extraordinary. in terms of stay-at-home orders, obviously, los angeles public health director warned another stay-at-home order may -- may be possible. what would it take for you to implement another one in san francisco? >> well, we've already had to put a pause. i went out and told the public, one day, that we were going to open hair and nail salons. and i had to go out, the very next day, and say we have to put a pause on it because we saw a significant surge. if we are on the watchlist for the state of california, and we see these numbers continue to creep up. and our reproductive number has exceeded 1.5, at one point. so we know that that means we are in a situation where there could be a significant surge. we are looking at the possibility of rolling back some of the things that we've already allowed to do. that we allowed the public to do. so it's really up to everyone
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showed you this photo of president trump published on his instagram account, sitting in the oval office where presidents have addressed the gravest of issues. this is certainly one of them. smiling, giving the thumbs up. showing just what he is spending his time thinking about and doing. in the case of our next guest, coming close to it. eddie case has been through hell and back. infected with the virus, then on a respirator, as well as a ventilator. even, in a coma. he survived narrowly, thankfully. he's been through a lot of rehab. he joins nous now with his wife anne costa case. i'm so sorry for what you have been through. eddie, just the story of you even being able to get tested ultimately. i know it took about seven days and multiple tries. i heard you say that, if it
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wasn't for your wife, you probably would have just stayed at home on a critical day and gone to sleep and died. >> absolutely, anderson. one of the things that -- that struck us was the regulations in place, but the unavailability when -- when we went to the first urgent care. kind of went through the questioning. and basically said, hey, we can't test you. it's under the government guidelines. we will have to check back in a couple days. then, when we did check back, there wasn't tests available. then, we were referred to another urgent care where we went through the questioning again. and ultimately, were denied any ability to -- or any availability of testing simply because we didn't know someone with covid or hadn't been out of the country. >> and finally, anne, you both were sick. you had it. a milder case, thankfully. but you -- you insisted that he go to the hospital. and thank goodness you did. >> yeah. it was -- when he started reporting the shortness of breath that, that was when we
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decided that's it. we need to go to the er. so that's what we did. >> and, eddie, i mean, you were transferred to different hospitals. upon a ventilator. i know you weren't aware what was happening and i understand when you woke up, you had no idea what had happened. and took you a while to kind of sink in that you actually had covid. what was it like? i mean, what do you remember about all that time? and how long were you in a coma for? >> well, i was in a coma for 20 days, medically induced. was transferred from one hospital, over to the top trauma unit because they believed i couldn't receive care unless i went to chandler, arizona. so essentially, went through hallucinations. but most vividly, i remember waking in this room and it took a while to get my senses together. but it became apparent i was hooked up to machines, i had a ventilator in. and i essentially didn't know ha
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happened. i really thought that i had been involved in an accident or some sort of a mishap. and it wasn't until they removed the ventilator and gave me a couple days to get my vocal cords back, because at this point, i was paralyzed from the coma. it was anne that had to break it to me that this was covid and not an accident. >> can you just talk about what life after you get out of the hospital is like? i know you went from a hospital to i don't know if they call it a rehab facility. but explain what you -- to learn because your body had atrophied. >> that's correct. yeah, anderson, it was -- it was scary because had to learn how to stand again. had to learn how to write. i couldn't even write, on an ink board, to convey what it was that i needed. that took about three or four days to finally get on a walker. and after a few days, i was finally able to walk unassisted. the biggest concern was interacting with the other doctors and most of the doctors not knowing if permanent damage would remain. and that still stands today.
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most medical professionals do not know what the outcome is going to be. this is going to take some time. the data's just not there. thankfully, i have -- my lungs are good. i'm breathing normal. i'm unassisted, in every which way. it's just my endurance. and then, you know, it's tough. wake up in the middle of the night. and have to remind myself i'm not in the icu. and kind of go through those coping mechanisms that way. >> and as you forgot how to do those things, why? i mean, is it something it does to your brain? is it just that -- why -- why does it do that? >> that's the question. that's the million-dollar question there. every doctor i asked wasn't certain, except that the uniform idea seems to be that covid attacks the brain. but in -- when mixed with the anesthesia and the other drugs to sedate me, your body will go into atrophy. especially, i'm laying there in the same place for 20 days and basic will nurses come give me plenty have
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anti-bottics. >> i was literally paralyzed. >> you knew what was going on. you couldn't be with your husband. i know you tried to stay connected with him. you got nurses to play his favorite jazz music, in consultation with doctors i think you spoke to him on a speakerphone. when you saw him again, i mean, i understand, i can't even remember how much weight you had lost, eddie, i remember when i read about it, it was stunning to me. what was it like to see him again, ann? >> it was probably the most emotional day of my life. not being able to see him for almost five weeks, and then there he was, and i just couldn't stop staring at him because he looked like a different person, but i also hadn't seen him for so long. so it was just -- it was a great day. >> eddie and ann, i know it's not an easy thing to talk about, it's so important, because a lot of folks still aren't taking
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this thing seriously. when i first heard about it i thought i would rather get it fast and get it over with but when we talk to people who have gone through it, this is no joke. the president says 99% of cases are totally harmless. you know, that's just ridiculous. and even people who survive, you know, it's life changing forever. i really appreciate it and i wish you continued strength in the days ahead. >> thank you, anderson. >> thank you. breaking news right now, the campaign manager for the trump campaign, brad parscale, has been demoted. cnn's john harwood has the late details and the implications of what president trump just announced on facebook. talk a little bit about what this means and what happened. >> reporter: well, we had two polls today out that showed the president with a double digit
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deficit. quinnipiac had him down 15 points. "the wall street journal"/nbc had him down 11 points. those aren't the only causes, obviously. he's been behind consistently for several months now. that's not necessarily brad parscale's problem, but somebody's got to pay a price for it. you also see the president behind in swing states, another poll out today showed the president down 13 points in pennsylvania. one of the three midwestern states that trump narrowly won that put him in the white house. so you need to have a consequence of that. there has been grumbling, the president has been complaining that brad parscale was making too much money off the campaign. people were saying he was calling into zoom meetings from his pool in florida. now the president has put bill stepien in charge of the campaign. most of the president's assets and liabilities flow from himself, donald j. trump, his behavior as a president, his
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behavior as a candidate. you get shake-ups like this when someone is trailing badly. >> we have a little more time, john. i thought we lost you there for a second. just in terms of -- what happens to brad parscale now? he says he's been demoted. is he still with the campaign? >> reporter: yes, he's still with the campaign, his skills at data analysis were something the president valued in 2016 and i imagine he will put him to work on that basis in 2020. not getting thrown entirely out of the tent, but clearly a big change in status. >> john, thanks again, really appreciate it, john harwood. let's check in with chris and see what he's working on for "cuomo prime time" at the top of the hour. chris? >> anderson, we hope we can take the president at his word, finally, that he's not trying to
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run fauci out, fauci is on his team, we saw the vp take a picture with fauci showing that, he was on the task force meeting, good. a little lack of accountability that these were the president's own henchmen going after fauci, all the reporting reveals it, common sense reveals it. the idea that navarro was freelancing, and they say he was violating protocol, what are we going to do about it? "you're fired." let's not hold our breath. what does it mean as far as what they do next, anderson? we have experts tonight to take a look at what has to be done right now to give us a fighting chance to give our kids in school. >> interesting about brad parscale being out. >> yes, here is what i hear. parscale is still very much in the loop. he did not have the skill set. campaign manager is a funky
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position, coop. it sounds like you're the guy who's making all the decisions. that's not really it. you're making the trains run on time and getting people to do their jobs. it's much more administrative and managerial than it is strategic. kellyanne conway is a rare combination of someone who can keep the trains on time and think strategy. she was invaluable to them the last time around. so parscale is still in the loop. he has been moved because of his skill set, that's what i'm being told. the question is, who steps in? people who are raising money for the president are not happy. they believe it does not look like a winning effort right now. >> chris, we'll see you in about four minutes. still more to come, an update on the killing of george floyd and what newly released police body cam footage shows about the final sickening moments of his life. (vo) the time is coming for us to get out and go again. to visit all the places we didn't know meant so much. but we're all going at our own speed. at enterprise, peace-of-mind starts with our complete clean pledge, curbside rentals and low-touch transactions.
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tonight we want to end with an important new development in the case of minneapolis police officers charged in the killing of george floyd. he was killed when an officer put his knee on the neck of floyd. a judge made the body cam footage for two of the officers available. it's not been released to media outlets yet. floyd's final words, "i can't breathe." the video shows floyd sobbing, then walked to the squad car, and the video shows a big struggle between two of the officers and floyd. at 11 minutes and 23 seconds, one of the officers apply a knee to floyd's neck.
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minutes later we hear what appear to be his final words again, "i can't breathe." i want to hand it over to chris for "cuomo prime time." i am chris cuomo. welcome to "prime time." the act is simple. now is the time. if you want schools to open, this is the moment. we have to start by holding power to account. we've got to start with the man who is in charge and is charged here with holding us back. here is trump on the record today.