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84. he was an artist and knew every block of kansas city. he leaves behind his life partner of more than 30 years whose daughter says gene taught them both about the meaning of unconditional love. may they rest in peace and may their memories be a blessing. thanks for watching, erin burnett "outfront" starts right now. "outfront" next the number of coronavirus cases in the u.s. now topping 3.8 million as the president changes his tune when it comes to masks and those task force briefings at least for today. plus, safe and promising. new hope for a vaccine after early results come in from one leading vaccine trial. a top researcher working on that vaccine is my guest. alarming spikes in california. one county again breaking its own record for hospitalizations. where did california go so wrong? let's go "outfront."
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good evening everyone. i'm kate bolduan in for erin burnett tonight. an urgent plea to the nation's governors. people need to wear a mask. that is the clear and direct message from the vice president, dr. anthony fauci, and dr. debra birx today in a call to governors. what then will we hear from the president who announced today he is resuming his version of the white house task force briefing? as we speak, 31 states are heading in the wrong direction. the death rate also now increasing in 20 states. but is that why the briefings are returning? you're left to wonder, because this is what the president said. >> i was doing them and we had a lot of people watching, record numbers watching. in the history of cable television, television there's never been anything like it. i think we'll start that probably starting tomorrow. i'll do it at 5:00 like we were doing. we had a good slot. and a lot of people were watching. >> bring back the briefings.
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he mentioned the hot spots of florida and texas, but did he once again let that inside voice come out? that for him, it's really about the ratings. he also said this. >> i think it's a great way to get information out to the public. >> reporter: the briefings were a great way to get information out to the public when the doctors were leading them for sure. but when the president started taking over, you will remember he used the time to push dangerous claims, conspiracy theories, and lies. >> hydroxychloroquine, which as i think, you know it's a great malaria drug. what do you have to lose? they say take it. certain sections of the country are in phenomenal shape already. other sections are coming online. other sections are going down. supposing we hit the body with a tremendous -- whether it is ultra violet or just very
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powerful light. and i think you said that hasn't been checked but you're going to test it. then i said supposing you brought the light inside the body which you can do either through the skin or in some other way. then i see the disinfectant where it knocks it out in a minute. one minute. is there a way we can do something like that by injection inside or almost a cleaning? >> shortly after that doozie those briefings stopped. and since then the crisis has only worsened. the number of people infected now surpassing 3.8 million and the number of people who have died nearly 141,000. the key to slowing the surge according to the white house task force, masks. debra birx even telling the governors today if 100% of the population wore masks and limited indoor gatherings and closed down bars the result would nearly replicate
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sheltering in place. far short of that but acknowledging reality the president tweeting this image of himself wearing a mask today suggesting it is a patriotic thing to do. we'll go outfront live outside the white house now. you have new reporting on what is actually driving this change from the president, not the death rate increasing in this deepening crisis. >> no. because health experts have been talking about these concerning numbers for several weeks now. they've been going through all of this data during the task force meetings happening here at the white house. what we are told by several sources is it is the president's poll numbers that finally made him realize he needed to change tactics here because basically campaign aides were telling the president that even our internal numbers do not look good for you when it comes to how americans are judging the response to you and how you've handled coronavirus so far. that has led to the president's change of heart on masks now encouraging people to wear them. it is a welcome change inside
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the white house. they have been fighting with him for months to get him to wear a mask. they don't care how he got here they're just happy he finally got here. it is july 20th and the cdc back on april 3rd came out and said americans should be wearing masks, changing some guidance that you heard from health officials inside the administration before. so the big question with the president returning to his briefings where he is at the helm is what they are going to look like because the president didn't specify tonight whether those health officials would come with him. he did say he wants to focus on vaccine development, th therapeutics because aides have been saying you shouldn't go out unless there is good news to share. expect that to be a focus. of course the question and the fear that some advisers have is that will turn into those briefings you saw in april where he suggested things like using disinfectants to try to treat coronavirus. that is what people will be watching for tomorrow when the president comes out at 5:00. does he do what some people are
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hopeful, just take a few questions and then let the experts do the talking or does it go back to what we've been seeing at the height of these numbers which we are now seeing again. we should note the president has not attended a task force briefing. there's only been two since the last several months. >> so might be surprised to hear what the facts are if he listens. we'll see. thank you so much. outfront with me dr. sanjay gupta and dr. reiner the director of the katherine lab at george washington medical hospital and also advised the medical team under president george w. bush. he said the briefings are a great way to get information out to the public. everyone would agree. that is the whole point was to get information out to the public if they could stay on the same page meaning the president. but then we played the president's greatest hits from task force briefings in the past. do you think there is a benefit to having him restarting these briefings now? >> yes. if you take everything in total
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i think there is a benefit because when the briefings stopped, kate, for a lot of people it felt like this thing was over. it obviously has to come with the caveats and it was lieaid o pretty well. we want good scientific information going out and the level of seriousness, the gravity this requires. so overall it's a good idea but has to be done differently obviously. it is a good sign he is wearing a mask. all of these things have to come together. i think the task force briefings to have the most impact. >> there are good things happening with therapeutics and vaccine development but you have to talk about the very serious problems that are happening to get even close to anywhere near that. i mean, dr. reiner, we can put up the tweet again of the president wearing a mask and he says, his words, many people say that it is patriotic to wear a mask when you can't socially distance. i don't think anyone would call
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that a profile in courage in that statement but do you think the president is finally understanding how bad things are? >> i think the president is finally understanding how bad the polls are. i don't think he is reacting to the real carnage occurring across the united states. i think he is reacting to his plummeting poll numbers. the coronavirus task force, actually the cdc recommended as you said masks that the public wear masks on april 3rd. that's 108 days. on april 3rd there were 7600 deaths in the united states and 280,000 cases. since then over 130,000 more people have died. that's what's happened in the span of the initial recommendation and now this super lukewarm endorsement by the president. in his fox news interview yesterday the president really said masks cause problems, too. so what is it? let's have it, an unequivocal
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announcement from the president. even better how about an executive order requiring americans to wear masks when in public? let's remove all doubt about what you mean about patriotic duty. say it directly. all americans should wear masks in public. if 95% of americans started to wear masks between now and november 1st when the ihme estimates that over 220,000 americans will have been killed by this virus, 95% of americans wearing masks will reduce that by about 40,000. 40,000 lives can be saved. the president comes out and says, everybody wears a mask. do it. >> and another thing, sanjay. i'm glad you brought up that interview with chris wallis. another thing the president said in that interview is he called dr. fauci, he put it, he called him a bit of an alarmist. you speak very frequently to dr. fauci and many people at the cdc.
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do you agree with that assessment that dr. fauci is an alarmist? >> no. i really don't. i don't want to be equivocal here. in some ways i have to say i wish dr. fauci were even, i wouldn't say more alarmist. >> i'll say it. more of an alarmist. >> yeah. i mean, he is very measured. right? he is a scientist. very measured in the way that he speaks. i think the most alarming i think we've heard something from dr. fauci was when he said, look. there is likely to be a hundred thousand, you know, people who are contracting this virus by whatever date. now it is looking like he was very much right. i think all along he has sort of tried to make sure that he was giving this message in a way that could be palatable, which i understand. he is a doctor. he is trying to sort of balance this hope and honesty, but alarmist is not the word i would use at all. i think that he in some ways probably needs to be even more
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aggressive sometimes in language because people do listen to him. and if he pulls a punch a little bit they'll say well look. he is pulling a punch. it's not that big a deechlt i think he definitely has to be out there being very forceful in terms of how he is presenting these things. >> that does not help the president if he really wants to get information out to continue diminishing, in some way disparaging the top infectious disease expert we have in the country. dr. reiner, the president also, you pointed out some of the incorrect things he said in that interview but he also went again to -- he completely pushed incorrect views on basic science or he doesn't understand it or he doesn't care to again. you get more cases because you are testing more people is just one example but then he also said this. that really stuck out to me. listen to this. >> i'll be right eventually. i will be right eventually. i said, it is going to disappear.
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i'll say it again. >> chris wallis kind of laughed at it. i'm not sure if it is funny at all. what kind of answer is that from the president of the united states that eventually i'm going to be right about the whole thing that the virus is going to disappear when you are smack dab in the middle of the crisis? >> sanjay would remember this model we have in medicine. eventually all bleeding stops. occasionally in a way that is not good for the patient. yeah, eventually this virus will go away. the question is what is the toll going to be? you know, will anyone be able toe really explain how this president of the united states can essentially laugh about being wrong so many times? from the beginning of this pandemic the president has spouted a series of factually incorrect or magical thinking or
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outright lies over and over again. so i agree with sanjay. i look forward to the task force meetings being televised but i want to hear the truth. i want to hear only the truth. i want to hear the truth from people who understand it. if the president can do that, great. i welcome that. welcome to the team, mr. president. but i only want to hear the truth. >> sanjay, the missouri governor said something today i want to ask you about that he was saying the state has to move forward with sending kids back to school. this is how he put it. they're at the lowest risk possible and if they do get covid they're going to go home and get over it. but there is also new research that kids over 10 spread the virus as easily as adults. do we know enough about children and this disease to make that call? >> i don't think we do yet. this is something we've been doing some deep reporting on, kate, trying to really understand, a, how sick do children get? i think that data has been
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holding up. they are less likely to get sick as compared to adults but in transmissibility even as i look at the new study from south korea i think it is a bit of an open question. let me show you missouri real quick. i think that you have to look at what is happening in the community to really get a good idea of whether you should open. these numbers don't look good. they had their highest seven-day average just over the past seven days. if your community is growing in terms of overall virus spread, i think it's going to be hard to open up schools. i'm not so sure that younger kids definitively transmit less. i think it is still a bit of an open question. >> great to see you both. thank you. up next encouraging news in the race for a vaccine one trial reporting safe and promising early results. does this mean we are close to a vaccine? i'll talk to one of the lead researchers working on that vaccine. plus four hospitals in broward county, florida are now at 100% capacity for icu beds. we'll talk to the county's mayor about whether he is seeing any
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oxford. thank you so much for being here, professor. appreciate your time. lay out for us the promising signs you are seeing with your vaccine. >> what we've reported today in the lancet is a new data set on the phase one trial at our vaccine meaning just over a thousand people. firstly the safety data looks very reassuring in all of those individuals. no serious adverse events, nothing of significant concern. and then when we look at the immune responses they are present in everybody. we see good, neutralizing antibodies. these are the ones we are looking for that should inhibit the infection of the virus into cells. in addition we see the cellular arm, usually called t-cells, which are there in large numbers as well even after a single dose of the vaccine. so really, results at the high
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end of our expectations. so we are now moving forward. we've vaccinated around about 10,000 people in trials so far. we are following those for efficacy to see if the vaccine really works. >> right. so now you charge into phase three with trials in the uk, brazil, and south africa under way. can you say how much closer you are now to a final vaccine? >> well, i should add that the largest trial should start soon and that is actually in the u.s. so we're hoping that will be under way in the next two or three weeks. how close we are depends of course on the incidence of infection in the trial population. that is relatively low in the uk but high in south africa and high in brazil and we anticipate that some of the states we work in in the u.s., the infection rates will be high as well. so it is very difficult to call. it could be september.
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could be october. nobody really knows. we're certainly hoping for this year. >> still hoping for this year. the big unknown is how strong the immunity is and how long it lasts. when do you think you will have an answer to that with your vaccine? >> yeah, of those two questions, when are the immune responses strong enough to protect people with high efficacy is really the key question. in terms of how long it will last, we are less concerned. we've used this vaccine type before. immunity is durable certainly for a year, probably for longer than that. so that is much less of a risk. the real question nobody can answer is are the immune responses we and some other groups are seeing actually strong enough, potent enough to stop this infection from happening and to protect people? based on what we've seen in animal data the answer is
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probably yes but humans could be different. >> the record breaking pace at which you and other developers are working is so comforting to so many as vaccine is really the only way out of this global crisis. what do you say to people who are concerned that it is all moving too fast? so much faster than other vaccine development has gone in the past that speed could compromise safety? what do you say to that? >> well, i think we can reassure those people along these lines. we are not actually doing anything different to what we would traditionally do in vaccine development. yes, we are moving faster but all the checks and balances in the system are being observed, stringent regulation review, data safety monitoring committees. of course everything goes through an ethical committee. and the quality of the vaccine that we're using is what we would normally use in any
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development program. in fact, we are learning a lot more about scaling up the vaccine now that we have to make hundreds of millions of doses. so there aren't any short cuts. we're observing all the safety requirements but we're doing that with less gap in between all of the stages. we are getting very rapid response from the regulators, decisions often the same day. an interactive process. and this is the way all vaccines could be developed if there were sufficient resources and determination in the system to develop other vaccines at the same speed. >> setting a good precedent i would argue for vaccines going forward. let's see what happens here first. professor, thank you very much for your time and your work. look forward to hearing how the next phase goes. "outfront" next florida reporting more than 10,000 new cases of coronavirus for the sixth day in a row. i'll talk to the mayor of one county where icu beds are running low right now.
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new tonight florida reporting more than 10,000 new cases of coronavirus for the sixth day in a row. and more than 50 hospitals across the state are at 100% capacity for beds in their intensive care units as the governor faces growing criticism over his response to the crisis. nick watt is outfront. >> reporter: in florida the governor was heckled today. florida's average death toll doubled these past two weeks. monique hicks lost two children to covid-19. brian francis and mckayla in the space of 11 days >> i honestly can't say where they got the virus from because they were basically home bound. the only thing, we went to orlando for a vacation and all of a sudden they came home sick. wear your mask. if you don't have to come out, stay home. >> reporter: the governor still
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won't mandate masks so in miami the city will find those with uncovered faces. >> it is bizarre we have turned mask wearing into something political. imagine you were an alien coming to the planet earth. you would be totally astounded, puzzled, amazed. you'd wonder what is going on here? >> reporter: nationally we are now seeing three times the number of new cases every day compared to mid june and nearly #nearly 60,000 americans now hospitalized with covid-19 getting close to the grim record set back in april. >> there is no question we're having a surge right now. it really is all hands on deck. this is serious. but we know how to stop this. >> and in this graph there might be some optimism. average new case counts are flattening just a little in our hot spots -- california, arizona, florida, and texas. let's hope that holds. the possible reason? >> the mask order went into place. i have seen more people in my community who are wearing masks, who are doing more social distancing. i think some of the individual
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behavior changes are driving some of the improvement that we're seeing. >> as new york city moves into phase 4 opening today, governor andrew cuomo has a message aimed at young party goers. >> i am telling you in plain new york speak as a born and bred new yorker, it's stupid. what you're doing. it is stupid. don't be stupid. what they're doing is stumd. and reckless for themselves and other people and it has to stop. >> reporter: and he has a message for police departments. make people wear masks. >> they have to enforce the law. that is the only line between anarchy and civilization. >> reporter: and of course so many places right now, kate, wrestling with what to do with schools. 87 doctors in arizona have written to their governors saying, october at the earliest and anything else would be ill advised and dangerous.
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in florida the education association is actually suing some county and state leaders over the order that they must at least offer five day in-person teaching. they say that would be reckless and unconscionable. >> thank you. outfront with me now is the mayor of broward county, florida. broward is one of the hardest hit counties in the state. mayor, thank you so much for being here. really appreciate it. thank you for leading by example with your mask. that is something that i love to see. the latest that we're hearing is there are currently four hospitals in your county that are on 100% capacity for icu beds and four others just have one bed available in the icu. that is not a good sign. are you seeing any signs this is going to improve soon? >> it is definitely not a good sign. we saw large numbers today, 1700 new cases with a positivity rate of over 17%. where we stand today is we have 57 icu beds available. that's about 10.9% of the 521
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beds we have available for icu. one of our hospitals, memorial health care system, has -- is pretty much under siege is what they told me today. they have had to expand their ability to accommodate more patients. they're right on the line with miami-dade county and we're seeing a large number coming from miami-dade. they have a much larger number of cases in total than we do they have over 86,000 covid cases. we have about 40,000 cases. their numbers are usually much higher than ours. they are telling me we must ensure we follow the cdc guidelines. wear facial covering at all time. we mandated that april 11th. we further that anywhere you are when you're interfacing with the public as of july 1st you must wear facial covering.
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we know that is something that helps prevent the spread of this disease and we must ensure what is necessary to protect all of us. >> let me ask you. one key indicator to watch is the test positivity rate. in broward that just jumped back up yesterday to 17.6%. that is the highest as we were looking at it since july 8. mayor, what is driving this? >> well, part of what i think we believe is happening is the many parties that are happening in single family houses and as such we impose the curfew that prevents folks from being out after 11:00. we know that many of these parties are gatherings with large numbers of people with no social distancing, no facial coverings. in fact, broward sheriff's office this weekend shut down five parties in one three mile -- three square mile area. we know that is a big problem that we're having.
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many restaurants are acting as clubs and bars though we did not allow them to open clubs and bars and we are shutting those down at 10:00 in the evening also so that we don't have the partying going on late into the night. >> i want to play you something. you've put a curfew in place like other counties have but i want to play something for you. the mayor of hialeah was on cnn the other day. he seems frustrated not only do you not have statewide policies but you have different policies from county to county. listen to this. >> here at miami-dade county, the county next to us at broward county, we have a curfew here where restaurants are closed and in broward the restaurants are open so what's happening instead of people not going to restaurants they're just going across the border to those restaurants. so as long as we don't work together, and i'm talking counties and the state, we are going to find ourselves in this problem right now. >> mayor, should you be shutting down restaurants?
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>> we had better control of the spread in broward county as i told you the numbers before. we worked closely with miami and palm beach county especially at the onset as we moved toward reopening palm beach, miami-dade also we stayed closed a little longer. we believe at this point the measures taken, if they're followed, we will be able to beat this virus. >> that is the key. if people are following the leadership you are following up. thank you for your time. >> stay safe everyone. >> thank you very much. up next dr. sanjay gupta with a special report on how antibodies are playing a bigger role in helping keep the sick from getting sicker. plus, california quickly closing in on new york as the state with the most cases of covid. where did california go wrong?
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like covid. they are not only vital for vaccine development but also in treatment. dr. sanjay gupta is outfront. >> reporter: if there is one thing most humans on the planet want right now it's antibodies. your body can produce them if infected. a vaccine can also provide you with them. but there is another way. it is called antibody therapy. that means taking the antibodies from the blood of someone already infected and recovered from covid-19. >> we've used it for rabies for hundreds of years. more recent history in the ebola outbreak in west africa people tried something called convelescent plasma. >> reporter: dr. marshall lyon is an infectious disease physician and also treated some of the first ebola patients in the united states. >> so plasma is the part of the blood which contains all of these antibodies. >> reporter: within the plasma you are likely to find antibodies which specifically
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attach to this part of the virus. it is called the spike protein and it is the key to entering human cells. >> if an antibody binds this little finger part, that is obviously going to block the attachment to the cell. that will neutralize the virus. >> reporter: dr. barney graham is deputy director of the vaccine research center at the national institutes of health. >> there's other spots that you can bind the protein that disrupts its function. >> reporter: what he is describing are called neutralizing antibodies. they work to block the virus from actually infecting cells in our body. >> having an antibody or the plasma from convelescent patients allows you to accomplish at least temporarily what we're trying to accomplish with the vaccine. so you can just give the antibody ahead of time and create temporary immunity. >> reporter: taking antibodies in that plasma and giving that
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to somebody either to help protect them against becoming infected or even possibly as a treatment. how effective should that type of antibody therapy be, convelescent plasma? >> i think it is very important that the serum therapies and plasma therapies and even immuno globulin therapies are tested both as treatment for serious disease but maybe also intervention in the early phase of infection so it doesn't progress to serious disease. >> reporter: the hope is that these antibodies can do a preemptive strike, preventing more serious disease from developing in someone who is infected or maybe even blocking infection all together in people who are at high risk like health care workers. some have even called it a bridge to the vaccine. companies like eli lilly and regeneron are now trielg
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therapies using antibodies recovered from patients and then manufactured in the lab. it's known as monoclonal antibody therapies. >> to be able to put them to good use in therapy and prevention is an exciting new technology. >> reporter: some recent research has found covid-19 antibodies may wane after several weeks and it was those who are sickest who tend to produce the most antibodies. keep in mind the majority of people with covid experience just mild symptoms. how does it compare to how long the antibodies should last from a vaccine? >> for antibodies the typical half life in humans is around three to four weeks. so those antibodies if given at a high dose could last a couple months roupt these are all considerations in developing a covid-19 treatment as well as a vaccine. >> sanjay, this is so fascinating and important. but that bit on how concerning is it what we're seeing with
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this waning antibody response? what does it really mean? >> i think it is a concern and i think the people working on this are really trying to address this. i watched your interview with dr. adrian hill who says with his type of vaccine platform the antibodies should last a long time. one other thing, kate. it is the antibodies which people are measuring but we should also be looking at what is known as t-cells. t-cells again something professor hill mentioned, sort of the core component of this immune response. so even if you have antibodies that have waned, over time, if you have still t-cells, the t-cells can quickly ramp up the immune system in response to a virus. so you've got to look at both. it looks like the t-cell reactivity is still there and prominent. that is going to be helpful. >> learning so much but still so far to go. great. thank you, sanjay. outfront for us next, california breaking records when it comes to new cases and
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new tonight for the fourth time in one week los angeles county is breaking its own record for the number of people that are in the hospital with coronavirus which also means california is inching closer to surpassing new york's record of having the most cases in the country. what went so wrong in california? >> when you're sleeping you're on your belly? okay. good. >> reporter: the staff at this california hospital is nearing exhaustion. >> every breathing minute i think about covid-19. >> reporter: in a video diary from inside eisenhower health, this nurse says she is used to
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seeing one death a year in her unit. with 700 covid patients treated here so far she has now seen 40 deaths. >> we would ensure that a patient did not die alone, so, you know, we would take turns spending time with them and holding their hand and talking to them. >> reporter: doctors knew they had the beds to treat the surge but not the staff. >> when we heard desperate. >> they asked the federal government for help and it arrived an air force medical team help shoulder the unending load. the stress repeated over california. how did we get here? the state was the first to announce a stay-at-home order march 19th. >> this is a moment we need to make tough decisions. >> seven weeks later the governor reopened on may 8th. >> you have bent the curve. >> that wasn't to be. by early june, the seven-day
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average for new daily coronavirus cases was more than 2600. by july 11th, it peaked at more than 9400, more than a 250% increase. >> every morning you are renowned epidemiologists, what went wrong in california? >> we opened up too soon. we didn't have the virus totally under control. >> experts agree. residents and local governments got complacent. case in point, three suburban counties in l.a. lifted stay-at-home orders. >> none of this is based on silence but strip freedoms of hard-working americans. >> now hard-working americans in all three counties are seeing a covid surge and hospital beds are filling up. >> that's frightening. where do we go from there? >> are patients telling you how they might have gotten it? >> yes. well some of them are partiers. some of them have gone out and
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gone to parties, no masks. >> los angeles county did and still does have strict mask requirements. tickets are even being issued if you don't compile and yet, it's still the epicenter of a california surge. >> how much worse does it have to get in los angeles before you feel compelled to issue another stay-at-home order? >> well, i think we're on the brink of that. >> people are not following the rules, they are not wearings mack masks. they are not social distancing. >> among them, california's 40 and under that make up more than half of the state's new cases. also hard hit, the latino community that makes up a third of the population but more than half of covid infections. >> sometimes it's mom and dad's work experience that brought them into contact with it and it goes through the whole family. >> and peexperts say fixing this only one way. >> you have to just shut down for now. that's the only way out.
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>> and that is really depressing for most anyone. everyone worrying about the economy coming back but as a couple people told us, you have to have a healthy society to have a healthy economy. and one of the other big issues is testing. it used to take a couple days. now it can take up to a week just to get an appointment. when you get your results back is a whole different problem, kate? >> sarah, thank you. "out front" next a gunman appearing to wear a fedex uniform kills the son of a federal judge. what police are saying about the suspect and the motive tonight. a lot of folks ask me why their dishwasher doesn't get everything clean. i tell them, it may be your detergent... that's why more dishwasher brands recommend cascade platinum... ...with the soaking, scrubbing and rinsing built right in. for sparkling-clean dishes, the first time. cascade platinum.
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tonight, the fbi identifying the man suspected of going to the new jersey home of a federal judge and shooting and killing her son. authorities say roy den hollander began shooting as as soon the 20-year-old son opened the door. the judge's husband is also injured by the gunfire. hollander was found dead from what is believed to be a self-infleself-i self-inflicted gunshot wound. what are you learning about the suspect? >> reporter: kate, the suspect, the shooter is believed to be someone who is active in men's
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rights movement and anti feminists. we believe that our investigators believe that the beef he had against the judge seems to dwell from a case that she was involved with. he had one case before her in which she ruled partially in hi going. it involves the selective service and draft movement and essentially, he was arguing that it is a sexist program by the government. it appears so that this is partly why this shooting occurred. now, this is how it went down. on sunday afternoon the family is quiet. they're in new jersey. there is a knock at the door and someone is dressed as a fedex driver is at the door. apparently, as soon as the door is opened, the gunman opens fire. daniel estrel is the son. he is hit and killed at 20 years old, barely 20 years old. the husband is also shot in the process. it is a very, very tragic story,
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but it appears according to investigators that he had some kind of grudge against this judge. we found some of his writings online, kate, including where he's making racist and sexist comments against this judge. there's a lot of investigating still to be done here but it appears this man had a grudge against this judge. >> so horrible. evan, the judge's husband, her son has passed. the husband remains in the hospital this evening. what is the latest on his condition? >> reporter: that's right, kate. he's in stable condition according to a law partner of mr. estrell. it appears he'll have another operation on tuesday. the judge was not harmed in this attack. of obviously there is a lot of concern around the judges. >> absolutely. no question. this is a rare thing to happen but it's so tragic what we are
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looking at right now. it's just truly unbelievable. a lot to learn. evan, thank you so much. much more to come on that. thank you so much for joining us this evening. i'm kate bolduan. "ac 360" starts right now. so the president says i'll be right veeventually about the pandemic that took 141,000 american lives. john berman in for anderson. that's a strange way of looking at things at a time like this because in the meantime, with nearly 141,000 mothers and fathers, brothers and sisters, friends and neighbors gone from this earth in less than five months and tens of thousands more projected to die, he's making decisions that put their lives in this country at risk. apparently to prove that he's right. in other words, americans may be sacrificed in the name of vanity and the president isn't bothering to hide it. >> i'll be right eventually.
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i will be right eventually. i said, it's going