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office at the center of the latest superpower clash. live from cnn world headquarters in atlanta, welcome to our viewers here in the united states and around the world. i'm kim brunhuber. the world health organization on friday reported the highest number of new infections of covid-19 in a single day. more than 284,000 people. about one quarter of those new cases are in the united states. the there were 74,000 americans tested positive in just 24 hours. cnn's nick watt has more. >> reporter: the president backed by new cdc guidelines, pushing hard for schools to reopen, brick and mortar. >> being at the school, being on the campus is very, very
important. >> reporter: but is it safe? the cdc says scientific studies suggests that covid-19 transmission among children in schools may be low. emphasis on suggest and may. >> we certainly know from other studies that children under 10 do get infected. it's just unclear how rapidly they spread the virus. >> i think we still need to learn a lot about children, you know, elementary school children. getting infected and whether they either spread or not efficiently to adults. >> reporter: in hot spots, schools should figure out a plan with local health officials says the cdc. they define a hot spot with a county with more than 5% tests coming back positive. >> majority of the nation right now actually has positivity rates are less than 5%. >> reporter: across the country, average new case counts are right now steady or falling.
that's good. case counts generally falling in arizona, after a very difficult month. and hard-hit florida -- >> i do think south florida, you know, has definitely stabilized. and i think miami is showing some signs of improvement as well. >> reporter: he's right, new case rates in florida are leveling off. and average daily deaths are an all-time high. in miami-dade county, icus are operating at 132% capacity. >> we're drowning. we're absolutely drowning here. it's just an overwhelming number of cases, 570 in the icus. >> reporter: tennessee just suffered a record daily death toll. still no statewide mandate but they launched this psa today -- >> this is the face of a fighter. >> reporter: washington has made masks mandatory everywhe except
inside your house. >> reporter: texas just ordered everyone to shelter at home. according to the county doctors they have to decide who is given treatment and who is sent home to die by their loved ones. another 175,000 americans might die before november. now, we should hit the reset buttons say 150 prominent medical experts and others who signed an open letter to our leaders. shut it down now and start over. >> i don't personally think that's necessary. i think if we do the common sense things we can get it under control as other countries have gotten it under control. >> reporter: so the opposite is this tight-packed religious service here in california. here in california, 159 deaths reported by the state in just 24 hours. that's a new record because it's two more than yesterday. nick watt, cnn, los angeles.
as local leaders debate whether to reopen schools in person or online, arizona's governor is changing his approach. he's now basing it on health benchmarks. the state reported more than 3,000 new cases on friday but as cnn's miguel marquez reports there are also some promising numbers. >> reporter: well, there are some encourages signs in arizona. the rate, overall rate of cases every day is coming down. has been coming down in the last 24 hours. though the most recent reporting by the state it was up over 3,000 again which is fairly high. it had been down to 2,000 cases a day over the last week or so. that rate of transmission, if i get it how many do i pass it on to that, that is trending in the state in the right direction as well. but the big sticking point for the state, that rate of positivity. the number of people getting tested and the rate coming back
positive. that's been stuck at 25%. that indicates to epidemiologists and health officials there's a lot of virus out there and a lot of community spread. that's commonplace for things like opening up schools and instruction. they wanted to start on the traditional date of august 1. the governor pushed that back to an aspirational date of 17th of august. now they're in waiting. the government said, we're going to scrap all of that, we're going to come up with metrics to figure out what that rate may be. many schools pushing back in person in october, possibly 2021 for some of them. arizona is unique. it's this time of year where school starts up again. it's a snowbird type of area where people who live in hot climates come here for the winter. it's also the time of the year where the flu strikes and the hospitals typically in november,
december, people are suffering the flu. if you have those patients and those patients on top of flu patients, it's going to be extraordinarily difficult with this state to cope with that many sick people. that's what the state is looking at now, they are trying to get this back into the box right now. but it is very, very hard. when the governor opened up the state in may, there were about 500 cases a day being reported. now, you're in the 2,000, to 3,000 number a day being reported. back to you. in gwinnett county, georgia where coronavirus cases are surging hundreds gathered friday to demand schools reopen for in-person instruction. you can hear those people there. they're angry, but the county announced teaching would be online only during the new school year.
they protested, some with their instruction, outside the gwinnett county instructional support center. the group hopes to take the protests statewide. a mother spoke earlier with cnn's chris cuomo. he asked why she wants to she her children in school buildings despite rising coronavirus numbers. >> this again has nothing to do with being a trump supporter. i'm actually an independent myself. we have parents representing the democratic party, republican party, independent party. at the end of the day, we're all just parents and we all have a common goal of getting our kids back in school and getting our kids back in safely. and we've had public education in this country for hundreds of years, and now, all of a sudden, two weeks before school, you know, the rug's getting pulled out from underneath us all. and we're scrambling. all of us parents are scrambling
on how to get our kids back in school. how to manage the fact if we don't have face-to-face learning, what are we going to do? child care. do we get a teenager to come to our house while they're doing their digital schooling during the day? doll we get pods? there are a lot of talks of parents trying to get micro pods in place. some parents that are fortunate enough can have their kids in private school. but, again, it's a complete scramble. and gwinnett county really, i have to say, i don't envy them at all. i think they probably have one of the hardest decisions right now to make, to get kids back in school safely. and how they're going to do that. as well as all educators across america. >> a fifth grade teacher in colorado springs, colorado, has practical concerns that come from real-world experience. she talked about whether
socially distanced learning is even possible for young children. >> i don't think people know the true reality of what it's going to look like. you expect a bunch of 10 year olds to sit in their chair all day, eat lunch in their chair. these kids aren't leaving the classroom at all. the whole day. they're sitting in a desk. i, as an educator -- i know that's not how kids learn. kids need to move. most of them learn by moving. and asking these 10 year olds to sit at their desks all day, on a computer, wearing a mask, three feet apart from their peers. no group work. no one-on-ones. you can't touch. i just don't see how this is -- i don't see how this is better. e-learning was not great either.
but at least home, they can be comfortable. this is not how i want to go back and i want to go back so bad. >> reopening schools like every other aspect of life will be much easier when we have a solution to the covid-19 pandemic. meaning a treatment and vaccine and more effective testing. so, i want to speak to someone on the front lines. a microbiologist in the uk, thank you so much for joining us. we appreciate it. i just want to know, you're in the lab, day after day, give us a sense of what it's like to be there in that high-pressure and often dangerous environment. >> so, it is very exciting, bustling environment. and the main thing with our hospital in basics that we don't do elsewhere, we can do very rapid testing. weapon partnered with some local industry nearby. that gave us a test that gives
the result in as quick as 20 minutes. and then it went also into supercharge. we actually got a van, we call it vandemic, it drives around the community. and using that commitment, we have a much higher turnover so we can effectively saturate the entire local environment, from all of the patients coming in and out of the hospital, we're testing on our equipment. so it's been a really hectic, exhilarating ride. >> just describe -- we're seeing machines behind you, equipment and so on, just describe where exactly you are and what that does? >> so, i'm actually in a workshop in a company nearby where we build lab equipment. what you see would be a machine for a really big testing facility.
the work i helped set up in hampshire, that was in a small scale with these mobile testing units. this is the big difference. in the united states, you might have turn around time of seven, eight days. in the big testing laboratories they've got a turnaround of three days. we've got the ability with localized approach of really three, four, six hours. if they've got coronavirus, we're catching them and managing the data much better than other people. >> we think of fighting the virus, vaccines and treatments, but testing is at the core of fighting this and quick testing as well. is what you're doing scalable? is that something that we could see across the country and in places across the u.s. where it's a real concern?
>> so, that's a very insightful comment. the reason we're able to do it is that our suppliers are literally a car ride away. when we run out of chemicals or when they have a new prototype, we drive over and get it. at all of the main supplies around the world they were sold out. the supply lines were shut down because of the epidemic. we were able to source locally. so my advice to testing labs around the world what can supply you nearby. i don't think oxygen can supply it for the entire world. we've got the technology. where can you find it? the breakdown in supply chains was really quite feisty in the epidemic, we're so grateful for in our local environment. it's a local effort. >> now, i want to get at sort of the emotional component of what
you do. you're there at the moment of discovery where you see those test results come through. what's that like? because you know very well, better than the patients themselves, what they may be in for if it's a positive result? >> so, the tests are normalized. we just deal with bar code. when we've done this rapid test, every 15 minutes we have a big flat screen that updates. i go and stand there and wait for the clock to turn over. and for the first time, i see the human impact. i see their names, their ages, the community setting that they're in. we actually see outbreaks occurring in realtime. and you know what, i have to turn around and go back in the room and dot next batch. so, it's hectic, exhilarating, but deep chastening to see the human cost. >> chastening, but it must be hard to deal in a dangerous
environment, working under pressure. and everyone is expecting results from you. how do you deal with all of this pressure? >> well, early on, i think i was doing what a lot of people were doing i was surfing the internet obsessively for scientific sources for the coronavirus. i decided i was going to stop that i couldn't handle it. so i turn off. i go into the lab, do my shift, and i go out and try not to think about coronavirus until the next shift. i have scientific hobbies myself and colleagues, we look for interesting bacteria in cases. that's a hobby by trying not to think about coronavirus, that's my opinion. >> that's an interesting hobby. thank you for joining us and thank you for your work helping too to keep everybody safe in these troubling times. >> thank you so much. there's much more including a report from portland, oregon,
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demonstrations were heating up again in portland, oregon. federal agents released tear gas and threw flashbangs in the past hours outside of the federal building. that's been at the center of the protests. 18 demonstrators appeared in court earlier on federal charges. and in another court, a judge ruled homeland security officers do not have identify themselves when arresting protesters. lucy kafanov is in portland and has more on the scene and the judge's ruling. >> reporter: he complained the reasoning in a 14-page decision saying while this case does involve allegations of harms done to protesters by law enforcement, the plaintiff in this case is not a protester. he also said that the state wasn't seeking redress for past harm done, but, rather, trying to prevent future actions of these federal agencies which he
called basically something that the state does not have any grounds to require. but he denied that request. reaction to that, i will say, that the focus here on the ground at the moment is not on this legal move. it's been a very large crowd. this is one of the largest crowds to date as far as people gathered here. people have gathered here, there are speakers, people doing call of response hands and people coming up with a black lives matter message. and then in the midst of this peaceful gathering, a very small group of protesters, over by the federal building behind me, began shaking the fence that federal agents had erected to protect the building back and forth. that got more and more dramatic. some federal agents came out to protect the fence. we then saw some protesters lob
fireworks, firecrackers, pardon me me, over the fence. in response, we saw tear gas lobbed back at the protesters. people have now pushed their way back over there. you can't quite see it in the camera behind me, but more federal agents have come out of the building, sort of getting ready to make a move. >> and cnn spoke a short time ago with a local portland journalist who has been covering the situation there for weeks, and he explained how these protests have evolved. the. >> reporter: we just had an rn nurse with a leaf blower blowing back tear gas. now, what do people think of federal officers in military fatigues? you know, there's outrage, definitely in this city, just before they got here, i think a lot of the conversation was do we support these young protesters are throwing water bottles at police officers.
and there was a real debate about whether that was appropriate. now that conversation's over. and really, the entire city is really talking about this -- these federal officers. >> the united states isn't the only country grappling with the rapid spread of covid-19. just ahead, we'll show you how the virus is making a comeback in places once lauded for their handling of the pandemic. - [narrator] the shark vacmop combines powerful suction with spray mopping to lock away debris and absorb wet messes, all in one disposable pad. just vacuum, spray mop, and toss. the shark vacmop, a complete clean all in one pad.
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and welcome back. for our viewers in the united states and around the world, i'm kim brunhuber and you're watching "cnn newsroom." the world health organization on friday reported the highest number of new infections of covid-19 in a single day. more than 284,000 people. about one quarter of those new cases are in the united states. nearly 74,000 americans tested positive in just 24 hours. cnn's john king had a closer look at the recent trends in the u.s. >> reporter: number one, when you look at this map, it is more encouraging, way more encouraging than days and weeks ago. still, 18 states heading in the wrong direction. that's the orange and the red. but 26 states holding steady. and six states, the case count is going down. importantly, florida on the way
down, a big driver in the summer surge, let's hope that holds. texas another big driver in the summer surge. arizona a big driver. the nation's most popular state now with the most cases holding steady. you do see this map, compared to one month ago look at all that red, orange, florida, texas, arizona among them we're in a better place today than where we were a month ago. let's look again. the summer surge still daunting. just shy of 19,000 cases back on memorial day. july 1, memorial day, 53,000-plus. yesterday, that's not the direction you want to go in, the question is does that flattening hold? in california, in the past seven day, the seven-day moving afternoon you don't want to be near or above 10,000 cases. however, if you look at that line, what dr. birx calls a
plateau, you can keep it flat and start to drive it down especially since your life this summer has been this. that's california throughout the summer surge. the question is, you see this here, can you hold the plateau? just california. now, let's take a look at texas look here. the summer surge in texas -- horrible. the question is, is this seven-day moving average, you can flatten it down? let's take a look at texas from this perspective this week, still high numbers. 10,000 cases a day in some cases but when you average it out is texas coming down? that's a great question. and in florida, especially if you're texas dealing with this. remember that. so, now, let's look at florida, this is a key driver in the summer surge. almost straight up at one point. now, we do see some evidence. 10,000 cases yesterday. you don't want to be above 10,000. but florida one day reported a day of 15,000.
the question is can this hold, you look at the seven-day average, florida is flattening maybe dipping even a little bit even though it had 10,000 new cases yesterday. this has been part of our summer surge conversation. >> now, even as the u.s. tries to get a grip on the hot spots within its own borders, other areas around the world, ones that were once the model of contain the are now seeing resurgence. hong kong just saw its highest single day increase. 123 new coronavirus cases confirmed there. the city is now considered to be in its third wave. while new zealand is still considered, police are tracking down four people after they escaped from a covid isolation facility. and neighboring australia seeing an one welcome new case in the state of victoria, more than 300 workers have tested positive there. for more on this, let's bring in angus watson from sydney,
australia. agnus, what's the latest? >> reporter: as you mentioned, kim, the 300 workers diagnosed was extremely worrying for everybody in the state of victoria because of costs and we worry about their health. also, what happens when you take out 3,000 brave doctors and nurses from the health care system. and that system starts to buckle and they are not getting the help they need and it becomes more difficult. one other thing is everybody is worried about is the spread of the virus in age settings where people are frail and they need hem help. and the virus there is ripping through there and causing deaths, kim. >> you mentioned the spread locally. but how does that fit into the big picture? have they managed to contain it to victoria state? >> reporter: well, kim, i think people in victoria might be thinking that they're fighting a little bit of a lonely fight
here in australia against coronavirus. hundreds of cases by the day in that state. everywhere else is recording pretty good numbers. here in sydney, we had 15 cases today, they're all serious, of course, but that compared with the way victoria is going with hundreds seems a very different story. >> all right. we'll keep an eye on that. thank you so much. we appreciate it. well, turning now to latin america, many countries are there dealing with their own surges of coronavirus. but their leaders have different views of how serious it is. cnn's matt rivers has the latest on the conflicting opinions in mexico. but first nick patton wallch in brazil even though the president denies he has it. >> reporter: a lot of focus on the president jair bolsonaro, he
called this a local flu, focusing on so much keeping the government running that he himself tested positive. it's now a focus of controversy. and on the ground on a motor bike but also not wearing a mask while talking to the staff that work there. he himself has been a strong advocate of the drug hydroxychloroquine. no evidence, globally, that's of any use against the coronavirus. but he says, he's been taking it. his recent comments saying, while he can't recommend it for anybody, despite having done so over the past weeks, it's a matter between doctors and patients. but still, it's something he's been brandishing himself while he convalesces from the disease. a lot of concern in brazil here when the peak may necessarily come. and the numbers have been consistently terrible and a real fear, of course what this is doing to their economy as well. nick watton walsh.
sao paulo, brazil. >> reporter: mexican authorities have confirmed nearly 380,000. they also reported more than 700 additional deaths. that pushes the overall death toll to 42,000. those newly confirmed cases and deaths are fairly high numbers compared to what we've seen recently. and a new case number comes one day after mexico said its latest daly confirmed case record on thursday, with officials reported 84 new cases in a single day. despite all of these numbers what we heard from mexico's president on friday morning is that his data showed that the pandemic in this country is lessening. here's the thing. he said something very similar about two weeks ago when he said that the pandemic in mexico is losing intensity. but since he said that two weeks ago, we've had multiple days where we've set new records in this country, in terms of newly confirmed cases.
the seven-day moving average of newly confirmed cases is higher than it's normally been. we're seeing a trend in the case of the seven-day average in newly confirmed deaths. which is going up. despite what we hear from the government, their toown data ses to suggest it might not be losing the intensity, but not getting substantively better. matt rivers, cnn, mexico. after the break, the diplomatic escalation between u.s. and china. we'll explain how this started and what's at stake. or more effective against pain than salonpas patch large there's surprising power in this patch salonpas dependable, powerful relief. hisamitsu.
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of a possible regional governor who has been charged with murder. his supporters say the charges are politically motivated and being belatently published after he defeated a pro-putin candidate in 2018. u.s. federal agents officially took control of the chinese consulate building in houston, texas, friday less than a week after the trump administration ordered diplomats to leave. china has responded in kind. kylie atwood explains how the current dispute began. >> reporter: the u.s. has forced china to close down its consulate in houston. now, china did retaliate and told the u.s. they have to close one of their consulates .
essentially it's not one straw that broke the camel's back here, but, rather, the widespread espionage that china has carried out here in the united states. i want to read a quote from an official from the department of justice on that houston conflict saying last week, quote, it's a microcosm. we believe the broader network of individuals in more than 25 cities. consulates have been giving individuals in that network guidance on how to evade and obstruct our investigation. and you can infer from that the ability to cast that network of associates nationwide. so this follows an increasing focus on china and their efforts toward economic espionage. and intellectual property theft here in the united states. both from the department of justice, but also, from the state department. and just last week, secretary of state mike pompeo said that taking on china was the mission
of our times. kylie atwood, cnn, the state department. >> so, for more on this, i'd like to bring on kristie lu stout in hong kong. let's delve a little further into this, consulates closing. how big of a deal is this in a larger context? what message does this send, and do you thing this tit for tat is over for now? >> reporter: oh, no, it's still simmering we we follow the developments in houston and san francisco and the southwest city of china. the chinese consulate has shut down on friday, u.s. agents, law enforcement, even blacksmiths were seen entering the compound, it was on wednesday that the united states ordered the closure of the consulate there. saying it wants to protect
intellectual talking rights. beijing called that nonsense. and we heard directly from the chinese general, he wrote this, despite the friendship, between the chinese and american people will not be interrupted. no one can undermine the bright prospect of sino-u.s. friendly cooperation. that is where the chinese consulate was held up, and she lied to the military with the circumstances around her arrest has not been clear. and finally, the u.s. insignia on the american consulate there in the city was taken down today, it was on friday when beijing announced it would retaliate u.s. actions by
shutting the u.s. actions in chengdu. why chengdu? because of american affairs on friday it accusing personnel of interfering in chinese affairs and chinese state secrets. >> you say finally, this keeps going. another flash point now, a singaporean admitted being a spy in the u.s. >> reporter: you're right. i should not be using the word "finally." there are a number of cases here. we learned a singaporean living in washington, d.c. has pleaded guilty for acting as an agent for china. officials say for four to five years he used a political consultancies a front to collect intelligence, as well as on the trade war for kleichina. this comes with an ongoing crackdown on corporate espionage and cyber-espionage.
>> i appreciate you making sense of this. thank you, kristie lu stout in hong kong. well, when athletes are no longer content to just play their sport. when we return, how they are using their platform to call out racial injustice in the u.s. just vacuum, spray mop, and toss. the shark vacmop, a complete clean all in one pad. walk to end alzheimer's alzheis everywhere.tion on every sidewalk, track, and trail across this country. all of us are raising funds for one goal: a world without alzheimer's and all other dementia. because this disease isn't waiting, neither are you. take the first step on your walk right now. go to alz dot org slash walk.
starting tonight at 10:00 p.m., a beacon is logged on there are implemented for all islands of the bahamas, excluding grand bahama currently under a national lockdown. grocery store, pharmacies, gas stations will be allowed to operate for the public during this weekend lockdown from 7:00 a.m. to 6:00 p.m. >> that was the prime minister of the bahamas. himself a doctor, warning that the country of about 400,000 people is in what he called a grave hit crisis. covid-19 cases there have spiked since the bahamas reopened on july 1st. johns hopkins reports the
country has had more than 300 cases and at least 11 deaths. wide areas of the texas gulf coast are under a hurricane warning as tropical storm hannah gathers strength. it's expected to intensify into a category 1 hurricane after he make the landfall near corpus christi later today. that would make hannah the first hurricane of the atlantic season. there's also a tropical storm in the atlanta and a hurricane bearing down on hawaii. a 15-year fight over development in one of the world's largest and most pristine commercial fishing grounds has taken a major u-turn. a top federal agency has now concluded that the massive pebble mine project in alaska wouldn't loss long-term environmental damage. it comes after alaska's governor lobbied with the governor to prove it but it's a complete reversal from the administration of the obama administration saying that the mine would
result in complete lost of habitat, due to elimination, dewatering, and fragmentation of streams, wetlands and other losses would be universal. local groups and commercial fishermen say the agency's conclusion ignore science. president trump's federal lawyer is back home after he was released from prison. you see there a crowd of reporters greeted michael cohen outside of his new york residence where he'll serve the rest of his three-year sentence. cohen pleaded guilty to tax fraud, lying to congress and other charges in 2018. he was furloughed because of coronavirus. until the justice department had him rearrested. well, this week, a judge ruled that was retaliation for cohen's tell-all book about president
trump and ordered him sent home. as athletes take to the fields and empty stadiums during these strange times they're thinking of more than the score from t-shirts from black lives matter. to seems renouncing and changing their controversial names. the days of telli ing athletes play their sport are long over. cnn's randi kaye has the details. >> first of all, we continue to shed light on the justice for breonna taylor and her family. >> reporter: that was lebron after returning to the court after four months. the basketball star is making it clear, basketball and breonna taylor are priorities. after police used a no-knock warrant to storm into her home, so far, none of the officers have been charged. >> one one of the leaders of this, i want her family to know
and i want the state of kentucky to know we feel for her and we want justice. >> reporter: several teams made statements on the field. at the l.a. dodgers opener against the san francisco giants, dodgers coaching squad word black lives matter t-shirt. blm was emblazoned on the pitcher's mound. and before the game, both teams took a knee circling the field. >> all with the same gold, leal leveling the playing field. >> reporter: in washington, they took a knee along with the new york yankees before the opening pitch. some players wore league-approved patches that read "black lives matter" and "united for change." all while a black lives matter video produced by the players alliance played on screen. >> we'll wait no longer. >> we'll make our voices louder. >> for all of us who can. >> and for all who cannot.
>> reporter: and twitter account highlighted players in black lives matter t-shirts writing equality is not just a word. it's our right. and today, the tampa bay rays baseball team tweeted support for breonna taylor. it read, today is opening day which means it's a great day to arrest the killers of breonna taylor. all of this is a far cry from players in the nba were initially fined $500 for wearing black lives matter t-shirts to protest police brutality. the teams were fined $5,000. all of those fines were later dropped. soon after that, nfl quarterback colin kaepernick famously took a knee, leading to the derailment of his football career. now in the wake of george floyd and breonna taylor's deaths it's not just players supporting the cause but teams as a whole deciding how best to move
forward. the washington redskins changing their names to the washington football team saying it begins here. and the cleveland indians also considering a name change is promising to engage native-american leaders to better understand their perspectives. randi kaye, cnn, west palm beach, florida. and just before we leave major league baseball, players on opposite sides of the field are united in the fight against the coronavirus. you'll see anthony riverses offer milwaukee brewers orlando garcia, a little hand sanitizer. major league baseball is facing an abbreviated season as the league is taking health precautions. actor top hanks has a new role -- >> hot dogs! hot dogs here! >> if you can't tell exactly what that is, he's a virtual hot
dog seller for his home team the oakland a's. it's all part of major league baseball's effort to re-create the fan experience for people watching at home pop a. and hanks can relate, he was a manager, you'll remember in the baseball movie "a league of their own" and actually sold hot dogs growing up. and a first player on the national football league has taken a pass due to covid fears. he was as an offensive lineman with the kansas city chiefs but he's been treating long-term care patient s near montreal. he said he must follow his convictions and not risk transmitting a disease simply to play a sport. good for him. well, that wraps up this hour of "cnn newsroom."
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