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burial ceremony for late congressman and civil rights icon john lewis in atlanta, georgia. lewis passed away nearly two weeks ago. he was 80 years old. his life and legacy were celebrated and honored in a poignant memorial service that featured remembrances from three former u.s. presidents including president obama" we'll have more on lewis's final fairwell in the show. welcome to "the lead." with the economy contracting at devastating levels blistering criticism for his pandemic response president trump is returning to hall mark, seeds of doubt in the integrity of the election. you might remember he tried to do this before in the 2016 election. today the president claimed with no evidence that the november election will be rigged. he also floated delaying the election, though we should be
crystal clear on this point. president trump does not have the authority to delay the election. now, after raising questions about those who will attempt to vote by mail, which we should note the president has done for years, the president tweeted such programs will prompt, quote, the most inaccurate and flawed lent election in history. it will be a great embarrassment to the usa. to tla the election until people can properly and securely vote. that's on twitter. voting by mail is done for u.s. tirl. it's done in oregon, utah, all over the united states. dre democratic led states. no evidence to back this up. claiming the president was raising the question. nonetheless, a firm rejection of the president's idea achieved quick and resounding consensus in congress including from senate majority leader mitch mcconnell, leading republican in congress who stated election day will be november 3rd.
the context here for the president's tweet is important. the president is badly trailing in public opinion polls. millions of americans are suffering economically. this morning we got the horrible news that in the second quarter the u.s. economy retracted as it never has before. this, of coursish is all because of the pandemic, which has infected more than 4.4 million americans and killed 151,000 americans, the handling of which the president is getting horrible marks from voters. so delaying the election, or talking about delaying the election, is a change from any one of those awful subjects for president trump. it allows the president to set up an argument, a bogus one, but an argument nonetheless, if he does, in fact, have a bad november 3rd as cnn's pamela brown now explains. >> president donald trump
floating the idea of delaying november's presidential election, something only congress has the authority to do as laid out in the constitution. the president claiming without evidence mail-in voting would cast doubt on the election results tweeting with universal mail-in voting, 2020 will be the most inaccurate and fraudulent election in history. delay the election until people can properly, securely and safely vote. today there is no evidence that mail-in voting leads to widespread fraud. both republican and democratic lawmakers responding by saying the election will not be moved. >> it's never been done, and it never should be done. >> never in the history of the country through wars, depressions, and the civil war have we ever not had a federally scheduled election on time. >> this isn't the first time the president has railed against mail-in voting. >> it's very bad what's going on with mail-in ballots. i'm very worried about mail-in voting becausening it's subject to tremendous fraud and being
rigged. mail-in ballots, a lot of illegality. >> to clarify the tweet trump's campaign released a statement saying the president is just raising the question about chaos democrats have createed with their insistence on all mail-in voting. trump leaving the door open he may not accept the results of the election in a recent fox news interview. >> can you give a direct answer you will accept the election. >> i have to see, look. i have to see. i'm not going to just say yes. >> some democrats are worrying he's laying groundwork to cast doubt on the election. cedric richmond asked the attorney general about it this week. >> do you believe that this 2020 presidential election will be rigged? >> i have no reason to think it will be. >> democratic presidential candidate warned about the possibility back in april saying mark my words. i think he's going to try to kick back the election somehow, come up with some rational why it can't be held, trying to let the word out he's going to do all he can to make it very hard
for people to vote. that's the only way he thinks he can possibly win. the trump campaign immediately released a rebuttal back then saying those are the incoherent conspiracy theory ramblings of a lost candidate who was out of touch with reality. president trump has been clear that the election will happen on november 3rd. >> and during his eulogy for civil rights icon john lewis, former president barack obama appeared to take direct aim at president trump over voting rights. here is what he said. >> as we sit here, there are those in power who are doing their darnedest to discourage people from voting by closing polling locations and targeting minorities, even undermining the postal service in the run-up to an election. that's going to be dependent on mail-in ballots.
>> jake, so far president trump has not responded to this. of course, he is holding a press briefing shortly, so we'll have to see if he responds to what former president barack obama said during that eulogy. we should note we've reached out to the white house for comment as well and have not heard back. jake. >> all right. pamela at the white house, thank you so much. joining me to discuss is senator van hollen from maryland. first let me ask you. i've already seen conservatives on social media saying it was inappropriate of president obama to be talking politics in such a stark way while eulogizing john lewis. what's your response to that? >> that's a lot of nonsense. john lewis would have very much appreciated president obama's eulogy today, because so much of what he was about was ensuring equal justice and equal rights. and you can't have that if you
don't have access to the ballot box. john lewis's firste encounter ws edmund pettus bridge where he encountered police who beat him bloody. he was organizing a march for the right to vote. i think john lewis would see the dots that connected what happened to him in 1965 with what's happening today and president trump's efforts to suppress the vote. >> speaking of president trump, how seriously do you take his comment, his tweet, about trying to tla the election? i know he doesn't have the power to do so, congress does. how seriously do you take it? >> well, jake, it's an indication the president thinking once again that somehow he hover above the constitution, that he has the power to change the constitution, or maybe just has never read the constitution
of the united states because it does not allow him to change the date. the date is not going to change. it's going to proceed as scheduled. i see this as a sign of weakness from the president. he knows that the public overwhelmingly disapproves of his terrible handling of the coronavirus crisis. we have been much harder hit in terms of the health impact with over 150,000 americans dead. the economy is really taking a big hit, much more than it would have to if we had a plan to deal with the coronavirus. today's news was annual gdp declining at annual rate of 30%. so the president has made a mess of dealing with the coronavirus, and i think he's seen the polls and trying to find a way out, but he's not going to find one. >> well, let me ask you, because the president in that interview with chris wallace a few sundays
ago, the president did not say he would definitely accept results of the election, which i think surprised a lot of people. attorney general barr was asked this week, the judiciary committee, if he would leave office if president trump lost in november. he said, quote, if the results were clear. how concerned are you about a peaceful transfer of power if -- that's a big if, if president trump does not win in november? >> well, jake, those kind of comments obviously are very worrying. i think it's a moment where all republican senators and members of the house need to speak up. we heard a few voices but everyone needs to say loudly and clearly not only that the election will be held as scheduled but that they will accept the results of the election. the president needs to know that there's no way out -- no way to
contest the results of an election in november. he's clearly trying to undermine people's faith and confidence in the system and i just think it needs to make americans all the more determined to get out to vote. that's what john lewis would want. that's why i think it's important president obama remind people of the legacy of john lewis. >> let me ask you on a separate topic, where is the senate right now on negotiating this next stimulus bill? americans, obviously millions of them, are worried about being evicted in august, which comes up on saturday, about being able to pay their bills if they don't have jobs. where is the senate in terms of negotiating with the house and white house in getting something passed so americans can at least breathe a sigh of relief for at least another few months? >> well, jake, it's been grossly
irresponsible for senator mcconnell and senate to run out the clock on these very important protections for americans, protections against evictions, the unemployment compensation, the additional money each week. now we have at the last minute a republican proposal that is totally inadequate to meet the needs. again, republicans themselves are divided. we're hearing that maybe half the republican senate caucus won't support any measure to help americans in trouble. we're kind of in limbo because of their refusal to negotiate in a serious manner. we're still trying. there are ongoing conversations between spurrier pelosi and schumer and white house officials but senator mcconnell doesn't have his own caucus behind his inequality proposals.
we're very nervous. this is another indication of the total dysfunction of this administration and republicans in the united states senate. that dysfunction unfortunately has very serious and bad consequences for the american people. that's why i hope they will wake up and do something soon. we're ready to join a serious solution when they are ready. >> senator van hollen, thank you for your time. a former standout on the campaign trail dies tragically and he attended a trump rally right before he became ill. stay with us. ou may have lost sight of your own well-being, aetna never did. by setting up virtual monitoring for chronic patients, 24-hour telemedicine visits, and mental health resources for everyone. we're always here to help you focus on your health.
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coronavirus deaths for the third day in a row. also today california announced more than 10,000 new infections in that state. as cnn erica hill says they could grant emergency use for a vaccine once one proves effective. >> reporter: months into this public health crisis the united states is moving backwards. >> this should not be acceptable for the wealthiest nation in the world. >> reporter: florida reporting record number of covid-19-related deaths for the third state day. maryland residents urging residents to avoid the sunshine state and eight others as he hits pause on reopening. >> we could either continue making progress and continue heading in the right direction or we could ignore the warnings and spike back up. >> rhode island also tapping the breaks citing rising cases among people at social gatherings. michigan limiting indoor gatherings to just 10 people and closing indoor service at bars
statewide as officials caution the virus is moving quickly into the midwest and could impact other states in yellow on this map. >> we believe governors and mayors of every locality would mandate masks for the community and every american wear a mask and socially distance and not congregate in areas where you can't wear a mask we could get rid of this virus and drive down cases as arizona has done. >> reporter: the fda could issue emergency use of a vaccine in a matter of weeks once its deemed safe and effective. >> that doesn't mean everyone in america is going to get the vaccine within weeks of approval. it will be rolled out to health care workers and those at risk and that is going to take time. >> former presidential candidate herman cain hospitalized for the virus earlier this month has died. he tweeted this photo of himself
at president trump's tulsa rally in june and a day before announcing the diagnosis appeared to support the decision not to require masks at the mt. rushmore event. not clear where he contracted the virus. he also served as chair of kansas city federal reserve. herman cain was 74. >> and as we look at what's happening around the country, there is a real focus on sports right now and how things are playing out. cnn confirmed there are now 19 marlins who have tested positive for the virus. the series between the phillies and blue jays has been postponed paragraph dr. ja, fda said it could issue emergency
authorization for coronavirus vaccine quickly once a vaccine, if a vaccine shows it's effective. if that were to happen, how soon after it is proven to be effective would it be available to the public? >> so jake, thanks for having me on. it really depends a lot on when that happens. my best guess it's going to take a while to recruit those volunteers and we're going to have to watch them for a while. let's say end of calendar year we get good data. let's say it works, safe, fda can authorize an authorization pretty quickly. what we're doing now is ramping up production. we may have hopefully tens of millions of doses by then, so as soon as it's authorized, at least health care workers and other high-risk groups are getting it right away. >> the agency, fda says they are not going to cut corners. dr. fauci warned a vaccine could take 12 to 18 months, so this is
clearly much quicker than that were it to happen soon. do you have anyhow fast, how quickly it's moving? >> i largely don't. here is the thing. i do want to make sure once it gets to the fda that the scientists review the data correctly and the scientists make the decision based on the evidence. i'm concerned that process doesn't become political as it did a bit with hydroxychloroquine. if we let science drive it, i do believe by the end of the calendar year we should have -- should, we'll see how the trials go, we should have pretty good data about effectiveness and hopefully about safety. we'll let the science and scientists make the decision and sometime in 2021 people will start getting vaccinated. >> dr. fauci is warning the resurgence in coronavirus cases we've seen across the south and the west in the united states is now moving to the midwest united states. today we saw a record amount of
cases in ohio, the highest amount of cases in illinois since may. the governor of wisconsin issued a mask mandate today. why is the spreading back in the midwest where there was a spike in april/may. why is it going back, do you think? >> on some level, this is how the virus works. the virus is going to be with us even in communities that have it well controlled. you let ush foot off the break, open up dining and bars and gyms. that's why we're seeing this. that's why i'm arguing even states that have it under control should have mask mandates, avoid bars, restaurants to a minimum. we are seeing a resurgence across the cub and i have -- th country and i have to say i'm worried about it.
>> a new study children under 5-year-old carry 100 more times genetic material in their noses than do older kids or adults. what's the significance of that? >> there's a lot out there on kids and spread. the thing to caution about. it's one thing to culture virus and identify loads of virus, we do think it has some relationship to infectiousness. there's lots of studies that say younger kids are less likely to spread. i looked at the study and said, okay, the data. one more data point. still younger kids less likely to transmit. older kids like adults, transmit about the same as adults. >> does that change confidence for reopening daycare, preschools, kids fifth grade and younger. >> this study doesn't for me. it's one more data point. we're still learning. it's not definitive.
if we see many more studies, it might make me change my mind. right now the bulk of the evidence says because there's a lower risk in younger kids, k through 5, my general feeling is we should push harder to go back to school and preschool. doesn't mean we should be reckless. in hot spots it's difficult. in places that have the virus under control, those kids probably can go back safely. >> all right. dr. jha, thank you for your time. a look at why millions of americans could be kicked out of their homes unless congress acts in the next 48 hours. stay with us. we made usaa insurance for veterans like liz and mike. an army family who is always at the ready.
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adding to the economic pain today the labor department says another 1.4 million americans filed for unemployment for the first time last week. this is the second week in a row that number ticked up. i want to bring in cnn business anchor julia chatterley. top economic adviser told me last sunday he believes the u.s. economy will grow a stunning 20% in the third and fourth quarter. again, we're down 32.9% now. is kudlow's theory possible? >> you know, we're all thinking and talking about a seriously world theory, let's be honest. let's be clear, we could see a dramatic rise in the third quarter because some level of activity is better than a shutdown. fourth quarter, who knows? that depends on the path of the virus and what measure we have to talk to contain it and how frightened people get. the warning signs, as of this
week more people taking home jobless benefits. that number should be going down in a recovery. the direction is wrong, and that's a warning sign. >> and the department of labor reported today, julia, that some 30 million americans, 30 million have filed for various forms of unemployment benefits. yet some republicans believe that extending the $600 additional weekly payments will encourage some people to stay at home. what's your take on this? >> i'll diplomatic and say stupid and short sighted. jake, i think we should continue to pay people $600 a week and let them go back to work if they can. pay people to work. let me explain. as of the last data we've got job openings of around 5.5 million. even if by some miracle we could fill all those jobs, we've still got tens of millions of people sitting on the sidelines. i think it's a good thing, actually, if people are earning
more money today precrisis and spending more money, that's what we're seeing in many cases because that's supporting economic growth. if the estimates arrive that two-thirds are earning more money today than they were pre-covid, we need to be asking tough questions about what the living wage in america is today because you could argue many people aren't earning enough. jake, the old rules don't apply. pay people to work, even if it's just a short time to get through the pandemic. >> julia, these coming months will be crucial. we'll know if this is the shortest recession ever. we're going to learn that only five days before election day. that's going to be a huge report card for president trump. >> huge. it could be hugely positive, too, as we've just discussed. based on the path of the virus, actually, it could be as good as it gets. perhaps someone should have pointed that out to the president, jake, before he tweeted about postponing the election this morning.
>> all right. julia charterly, thank you. huge economic loss numbers represent real pain. millions of americans not able to pay rent the first of the month, coming up this saturday. they are facing the terrifying reality of being kicked out of their homes. there was a temporary pause and that expired. neither the president nor congress has come forward to fix it. as cnn reports one community is expected to be hit particularly hard by this evision threat. -- eviction threat. >> reporter: even on a good day making ends meet was a struggle for georgia frank. >> every month working multiple jobs i'm robbing peter to pay paul. >> reporter: then can the coronavirus pandemic and pamela lost one of her jobs working at the atlanta hawks arena, a job she needed in order to pay her $12 month rent and take care of her 6-year-old daughter jada. >> one job is not going to cover my day to day bills, which are
necessities, rent, lights, car, car insurance, food. >> like millions of americans, unemployment insurance and that crucial extra $600 a week injection into the system by the federal government has been a life line, and one that could soon disappear. >> so now that i have the fear, or knowing that it will end soon is kind of like now what do i do to maintain my livelihood. >> experts estimate that about 20% of the 110 million renters in the united states could face eviction later this year due to the pandemic, especially when a federal boost in unemployment insurance expires at the end of the month. >> folks have not been paying rent since possibly february, march. i mean, that's six months of not being able to make rent. >> working with pamela, people who lost jobs due to housing
debt, the consequences could be dire. >> i think what we're facing is a possible mass eviction scenario. >> black americans are already more likely to contract and die from the coronavirus, and they are also disproportionately at risk. >> it affects everyone but here in colorado and around the country. >> a u.s. survey found in the last week when it comes to paying next week's rent, 40% of the renters said they had little or no confidence they would pay rent in august. nearly twice the rate of white renters. it's not just missed rent payments that trigger it. >> if you don't pay you could lose subsidized housing and become homeless. >> meanwhile lawmakers haggle over how much unemployment insurance could be extended, pamela agonizes over the unthinkable. >> honestly, i try not to think
about that, but i don't know. >> her message to lawmakers. >> please don't make us go back to being able to possibly call a shelter because we can't afford to pay our rent for this month or the next two months. >> republicans on capitol hill are looking for perhaps a way to extend these unemployment benefits in the short-term but for far less than $600 hoping to push people back into the workforce. in a state like georgia where pamela lives, the coronavirus is still raging. the prospect of going back to work in that kind of environment seems really farfetched for her, jake. >> all right. abbey philip, thank you so much for that report. appreciate it. surprising news about a coronavirus vaccine just in to cnn. that's next. i am in so much debt. sixty-two thousand seven hundred and ten dollars and thirty-one cents. sofi allowed me to refinance all of my loans to one low interest rate
we have breaking news on health lead, when the coronavirus vaccine gets approved it could be highly effective in the 90% range. that's coming from the first tv interview with operation warp speed, trump administration working on the the coronavirus vaccine. there won't be enough to give everyone the vaccine day one. i want to bring in elizabeth cohen who sat down with medical correspondent sanjay gupta. what everyone wants to know is when will the vaccine roll out? is it definitely a when and not if? >> you never know. we're trying different vaccines. it's possible none of them will work. there's hope one of them will. there's been a lot of talk about
getting shots into arms this year but the doctor told me for months americans it's going to be next year and even well into next year. >> when do you think i will be able to get a covid vaccine, walk into the doctor's office, walk into a pharmacy. >> we're working hard to have vaccines tested appropriately, manufactured appropriately, assessed and approved independently by fda and available for use in the population by the end of this year or early next year. we will not have it for the u.s. population on day one. we'll probably have a few tens of millions of doses in december and january and probably it will be appropriate to immunize those individuals at highest risk for the covid virus. i am optimistic that we have
vaccines for everybody in 2021, ideally in the first half of the year, 2021. >> dr. slaoui tells us operation warp speed is funding eight different vaccines and hopefully one, two, three, maybe even eight of them will work. jake. >> let's hope so. sanjay, it makes sense that health care workers on the frontline and the people most vulnerable, the highest risk people will get the vaccine first. is it then a free fall for everyone? >> i think if you start to look at, you know, health care workers, people who are essential workers, people who are going to be higher risk because of the type of work that they do, even if they aren't necessarily health care workers, they are going to be closer to the front of the line. people who are the least vulnerable, least likely to get sick, children who are otherwise healthy are probably going to be later on in the line.
i don't think there's an exact science to this. there are different types of ways of looking at who is the most vulnerable as well, jake. that's probably going to be part of this. it may depend a little bit on as we get nor data from vaccine trials, which is still going on. we don't know if it's going to work or not. as we get data back it might be clear who will be responsive to the vaccine as well. >> dr. slaoui says he expects the vaccine will be highly effective. tell me about that. >> i was surprised at this, jake. government officials talk about a covid vaccine 50% effective, 70% effective, but dr. slaoui was much more confident than that. >> some vaccines are 90% effective, others are 0% effective. where do you think we'll fall with the covid vaccine. >> it's very hard to predict. that's why we're doing the trial. my personal opinion, based on my
experience and the biology of this virus, i think this vaccine will be highly efficacious. i wouldn't be surprised if it's in the 90%. the question that's open is for how long will the vaccine afford efficacy. >> so a vaccine that is in the range of 90% effective would be tremendous, jake. it also means we don't need to vaccinate as many people. if some people refused to get it, it's less of a concern. if the people who are getting it are getting a vaccine 90% effective. >> sanjay, let's talk about that in terms of the effectiveness. if slaoui says he's hoping 90% but the length of time that it is effective, he doesn't know. i guess that would suggest that a booster shot would be needed, not unheard of when it comes to vaccines. do you think the process and the logistics of getting the american people vaccinated once a vaccine has been approved, is
going to be difficult? >> it very well may be more challenging than i think people realize. as you know, some vaccine trials already have required two shots separated by about a month, 28 days. you know, i don't know if he was referring to a specific vaccine. there are several different vaccines operation warp speed is looking at. one message rna vaccine, moderna, we've heard a lot about, the first to go into these phase three clinical trials, that's a more difficult vaccine to distribute. it requires a certain temperature. it can become unstable if the temperatures are off with that. have you to make sure you get it to people in a certain amount of time. that part of it, they are looking into some of those challenges already. are refrigerated trucks going to be repurposed, used in the country for other things, but it can be challenging. there are other platforms much more well-known. some of those vaccines are more
stable, easier to manufacture, easier to distribute at least. so we'll see. as elizabeth said, there may be more than one vaccine ultimately that becomes available to people around the same time. >> all right. hoping for the best, of course. elizabeth cohen, dr. sanjay gupta, appreciate it. halfway through 2020, so bring on the aliens. pentagon revealing secrets of unidentified flying objects. that's next. >> going against the wind. [♪]
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headlines, the coronavirus pandemic, the upcoming election, the new recession, what normally would be front page news has sometimes fallen on page d15. this is pretty significant. the pentagon does not talk about mysterious unidentified flying objects or ufo findings will be available for public view. >> got it. >> when military officials release three videos this spring-of-navy pilots encounter ufos in 2004 and 2015, it seemed out of this world. but now the pentagon's unidentified aerial phenomenon task force is releasing more information about such
encounters prompting unusual questions for elected leaders. >> are we alone? >> former marco rubio, former chair on acting intelligence said there are mysterious craft of unknown origin flying over u.s. military installations, and that requires action. >> all right, you alien -- >> not quite like what we saw on the hit movie independence day but at least genuine investigations into what they are and where they are coming from. >> i would say, frankly, something outside this planet, that might actually be better than the fact we've seen technological lead on behalf of the chinese or other adversary that allows them to conduct this activity. >> that's the real worry these ufos might be advance military airplanes, space ships or weapons capable of astonishing things. as a retired navy pilot said in 2017. >> as i got close to it, it rapidly accelerated to the south and disappeared in two seconds.
>> the president has been told about such things. >> people are saying they are seeing ufos. do i believe it? not particularly. >> briefed on reports last year and despite all the conspiracy theories about roswell, area 51 and alien abductions, he says -- >> one of the key takeaways i'd have is that the military and others are taking this issue seriously, which previous generations may not have been the case. >> for many years government investigations into these close encounters were shrouded in secrecy, now the curtain may be lifted a bit but that still won't answer the basic questions, just who is out there and what do they want. jake. >> all right. tom foreman, thanks so much. be sure to tune in for clobl town hall dr. anthony fauci will join cnn's anderson cooper dr.
sanjay gupta. follow me on facebook, instagram, twitter, @-jake tapper. our coverage on cnn continues. i'll see you tomorrow. the truth is out there. >> announcer: this is cnn breaking news. >> welcome to our viewers here in the united states and around the world, i'm wolf blitzer in the situation room. we're following breaking news. president trump about to speak from the white house as the u.s. approaches 4.5 million confirmed coronavirus cases. the death toll in the united states now more than 151,000 people after the country yesterday recorded the highest one-day number of deaths since may, 1403 americans died yesterday. that amounts to one american life lost to the virus almost each minute. wee