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a lot of breaking news, tonight. john berman here, in for anderson. we have more, new reporting on this russian interference in the election, that dovetails, almost perfectly, with president trump's own efforts to sow distrust in mail-in voting. yeah. 2016 is calling, asking for its alleged collusion back.
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first, though. another reason to be worried. very, very worried that the public health officials we all count on for potentially life-or-death information in a pandemic, are facing growing pressure from the president to deliver, politically, for him. breaking cnn reporting with government officials and experts now outlining what they see as a full-on rush to deliver a silver bullet to end the crisis, and rescue the president's re-election bid. now, we've seen bits and pieces of it, for months. whether it's pressure, from the top, to approve unproven drugs, like hydroxychloroquine. or the president openly, and without evidence, accusing the fda of deliberately delaying a vaccine until after the election. so, it's not like some of this hasn't been plain to see, already. but tonight's reporting pulls it all together, and draws on inside sourcing to capture the full scope of this injection of politics into the realm of public health. and this effort to deliver or, perhaps only seem to deliver, the positive lives alongside something else the president has been drawn to, from the
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beginning. downplaying or denying the negative. the words and phrases have changed, as one death became a thousand, then 100,000. now, an estimated 200,000 or more by the end of the month. that's according to a brand new forecast by the cdc. the president has said and done whatever he can to gaslight the public on the single biggest threat facing the country and the world. it's at the point, now, that he is even latching on to bogus notions that most covid deaths aren't, really, covid deaths. >> by the way, i saw a statistic come out the other day. talking about only 6% of the people actually died from covid. which is very interest -- >> well, they had comorbidities. but the covid might, ultimately, have been the key morbidity to hit them. >> but it's an interesting statistic. >> mr. president, you still having fun? >> so, before we go any further, that notion, which is circulating widely on social media and among the president's supporters, is false. dr. anthony fauci. remember him?
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america's longest-serving and most highly regarded public health official, the one on the president's own task force? he has debunked it. and yesterday, the cdc's own head of mortality statistics put out a detailed statement backing dr. fauci up. among all the details, here is the bottom line. quote. the underlying cause of death, in this case, covid, is the condition that began the chain of events that ultimately led to the person's death. that's no matter what other conditions the patient had. so, again, what the president and his supporters are spreading is false. it's a lie. and the idea that, at this late date, this is taking up even one iota of bandwidth is simply nuts. not only does it divert time and energy from the whole-of-government effort the white house likes to tout, it also insults each and every family member who could not hold a loved one's hand, comfort them, or simply look into their eyes one last time. that's how they know their father or wife or child actually died of covid. and to say otherwise is
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grotesque. then again, the president isn't exactly new to saying such things. a month ago, today, the president said this. >> i think it's under control. >> how? a thousand americans are dying a day. >> they are dying. that's true. and you have -- it is what it is. >> it is what it is. so when he said that, 156,082 americans had died. tonight, with 30,000 more lives lost -- 30,000 in just four weeks -- the president, now, seems to be saying it is not what it is. more, now, on the breaking news from cnn's kaitlan collins, at the white house. kaitlan, what are you learning about the kind of pressure that president trump is putting on administration health officials? >> it's high. there is a lot of pressure, coming from the president, to achieve, not just a vaccine but, some kind of viable treatment for coronavirus. and of course, what he wants, ultimately, with that, is to be able to signal to voters, before november 3rd, that there is a light at the end of the tunnel,
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here. and of course, this is what everyone wants. everyone wants a vaccine or some kind of treatment for this. but the reason the president is increasing the pressure, so much, on the officials who work in this administration, not just political appointees, but career officials, career scientists, as well, is because he wants to have some kind of signal because he thinks it will help him before the election. and, right now, the focus of that pressure from the president, that's come into sharp view, is the fda and fda commissioner, dr. steven hahn. because, of course, that's the point we've gotten. they are hoping for a vaccine and of course, the fda is at the center of that. >> a vaccine takes time. something president trump doesn't have a lot of before election day. >> well, here is a new thing the president has learned about and has focused on during this pandemic. and that's an emergency-use authorization. and that's what we've seen happen with the fda over the summer when it came to hydroxychloroquine. which, of course, we know how much the president pushed that. he pushed the fda, along with
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aides, like peter navarro, to approve that emergency-use authorization because they believed it could help. of course, we saw how that ended, john. they ended up reversing that approval because the data found that it did not have any benefit in that, and so the fda said it needed to be studied more. their second one was on convalescent plasma. and we watched that play out in public view. where officials are telling us they did not think the fda was moving quickly enough on that. and we saw the botched announcement, where you later had the fda commissioner had to walk back his statement because medical experts were incredibly critical of him. and said basically, he had over compani overstated the lifesaving benefits of it. we know an eua for a vaccine is on the table. maybe, potentially for frontline workers, elderly people, just on a limited basis. but the concern, of course, is if they go forward with that before there's a consensus that it's ready. people believe they've seen politics have its play in hand
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with these other euas. they fear it could be that way with a vaccine. though, we should note, commissioner hahn and other officials have said they are basing these decisions on data, not on politics. >> you just mentioned, kaitlan, concern in the scientific community about fda commissioner steven hahn and how he's handled things. but i understand in this new reporting, there's also concern, i guess of a different kind, within the administration about dr. hahn. can you tell us about that? >> yeah. and it depends who you are looking at. there are career scientists at the fda who have not been on board with everything dr. hahn has said, including what he said about convalescent plasma. but also, west wing officials that were not happy he apologized for what he said. they said he didn't clear that statement with the west wing beforehand. they did not think he had anything really to apologize for. so west wing aides did not think that was something he should have done. so basically, he's been in this zone where he doesn't want to hurt or damage his reputation with the career officials at fda. but also, he doesn't want to be on the wrong end of the white
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house. and at times, you know, he's found himself like that, just in the last week. where we've seen fda, they had to walk back that statement. he had to apologize. he fired and removed a top political appointee that the white house had put at the fda from her role as chief spokesperson. so now, she just works there but doesn't have a clearly defined role. so now, we are seeing how much pressure you are seeing not only on the commissioner of the fda but also, we've been described this work environment that's like a pressure cooker at the fda because, of course, they want this to go right. they want it to go well. but they, also, are on the receiving end of this pressure from president trump and top west wing officials who want them to speed it up. and they've got to respond to accusations like these from people like the president saying they believe career scientists at the fda are deliberately delaying progress here because the president thinks they want to be able to hurt his election chances. >> what a mess. and these are the people charged with saving our lives. i want to bring in cnn chief medical correspondent, sanjay
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gupta. also, katherine sebelius. clearly, this is not how things are supposed to work. so i wonder, as someone who ran health and human services, what kind of impact does pressure from the president of the united states, like this, have? >> well, i, fortunately, didn't have to live with this kind of pressure or reach in, from the white house. we had a president, at the time, and a vice president, who believed in science. and president obama and vice president biden made it very clear that, while we wanted to keep americans safe and secure, the only way to do that is build public trust and let the scientists tell the people what they knew and what they didn't know. they did this in both the h1n1 outbreak and mass vaccination campaign. and they did it, again, during ebola. both, very scary situations. but it was led by the public-health officials and by
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the scientists. this is a total mess. what kaitlan talked about, within the fda, has an additional chapter. two days ago, national institutes of health, again, under the umbrella of hhs, put out a statement about convalescent plasma. saying they think it needs to be studied more. they, also, agree that it is not ready for prime time. that there need to be clinical trials run, in an objective fashion, before it is widely recommended for treatment. so not only did the fda walk back its statement, but you have another, sort of, brother agency. and that's very, very unusual, i think, to have, if you will, contradictory statements coming out. but it's a mess, and we need the public to be able to trust that, when a vaccine is safe and efficacious and ready to roll, that they will step up and get the vaccine.
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and nothing that this administration is doing, discounting covid deaths, you know, having political reach into agencies that, then, have to walk back the statements. nothing will give the public any confidence that when announcement is made, we have a good vaccine. >> one of the key ingredients to public health may be the key ingredient to public health is public trust. sanjay, along those lines, what happens to the science? what happens to the research, if scientists start to cut corners because they are feeling political pressure? >> well, i mean, i think you -- you -- you do lose that. you do have that erosion of trust, which i think affects, you know, so many things, going forward. you know, there's going to be lots of different developments, progress, that we want to make with regard to covid. and if you lose that trust, and some of that trust has already been eroded, candidly, it makes it much harder to get these things done.
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and when it comes to this vaccine, obviously, you know, when you cut corners, the concern is that the vaccine may not be as safe or as effective as you'd want. i mean, those -- those are the criteria. now, when -- when you think about these -- these -- applying the scientific method to this, i think, oftentimes, john, people think about this like math. two plus two equals four. just, it's very, very clear. there is always some degree of subjectivity to this. what is going to be acceptable? how efficacious does it have to be to actually warrant an authorization or approval, ultimately? some of these things are objective decisions that get made, usually in conjunction with other scientists. but there is a subjectivity in this entire process. >> kaitlan, you also have some new reporting on how the president views any efforts to slow down the approval that he, so clearly, wants. so what can you tell us about that? >> basically, he thinks that it's just a political play. that it's actually not based on science. and that's how he's viewed so
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many things. hydroxychloroquine is one of the clearest examples. but also, with convalescent plasma where it doesn't seem like they know for sure, given what nih said since then about it, it needs to be studied more. we're actually told the nih director and dr. fauci were not on board with the decision. now, someone pointed out it's not up to them, to nih or dr. fauci to make that decision. that's a decision that rests with the commissioner and the fda. so they pushed back. saying we are not making these decisions based on politics. but you really do see just how immense that pressure is because they already feel that pressure. the pandemic is sweeping the nation. killing, you nknow, over six figures in americans. but also, the president, himself, who's got his eye on the calendar and november 3rd. so what we heard as we were reporting this out with my colleague, kevin, is that there was a concern, basically, that dr. hahn could bend to the pressure of the white house and of the west wing, which has been obvious. they're not even really trying
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to hide that pressure. they argue it's for different reasons. but it's been obvious. and so, commissioner hahn has said, in multiple statements, he will not bend to pressure. he will make a decision, based off of that. but, you know, when you are in the west wing on a regular basis, meeting with the president, meeting with the vice president, talking about this, you certainly feel that pressure. not just while you're at the fda but even when you are here at the white house. so that is why so many people have talked about what they are feeling from people at the white house. of course, starting with the president. >> so, secretary sebelius, one of the things about vaccines is that, among some parts of the community, there's already an inherent distrust. there are people who are reluctant to take it, already. obviously, when a coronavirus vaccine becomes available, it will be imperative that people feel comfortable taking it. so what does all this do to that level of comfort that people are going to need? >> well, it's back to the issue of -- of trust. do i believe this is some sort
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of political ploy being jammed out the door? what we know or what we think we know is that the vaccine is likely to require two doses. more complicated than most vaccines that people get. only shingles, in my knowledge, right now, requires that two doses. and that's difficult for people to do. they don't follow up. but, as you say, a portion of the population, understandably, has real reservations about being used as experiments in science. we had a big vaccination campaign in the gerald ford re-election era that went very wrong. more people got the syndrome than got the flu that they were na vaccinating against. so we know that there can be issues and problems. what we need to be able to assure the american public is that this is being done scientifically. that we know, from widespread clinical trials, and they're in phase three. phase three is you actually vaccinate a lot of people, with
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a lot of different, you know, body types and underlying conditions and ages. and you need to see that it's safe and effective with all the different groups. and then, you're able to give that information to the public. and say we've tested it. we tried it. we believe this is how we're best going to fight the virus. and encourage people, as much as possible, to step up and be willing to be vaccinated, vaccinate their kids, vaccinate their parents. because if that doesn't happen, we will continue to see this virus raging in our country, and we'll see deaths continuing at the rate that they are. >> sanjay, very quickly, one of the things that this article reporting highlights is this panel of scientists and researchers that are going to review the data that is available. and there's actually like a date circled on the calendar, apparently, inside the administration, of october 22nd, when that review will happen. what do we know about the power
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this panel will have, and what influence they might be subject to? >> well, they don't really have any -- any power. you know, i mean, they -- they, ultimately, are going to be the first to look at this data. they're not the ones who are going to, you know, submit foran eua. they are going to, then, basically, say, yeah, we think this is good to go. send it over to the fda. fda is still the one -- fda is still the organization that decide on this. but this is an influential panel. it's usually people who are made up of scientists, people looking at the epidemiology of a particular area. so, you know, it's a very important, you know, group of people and that will be a very important date. i do hope that they share this data with the broad public. i mean, i'd like to look at the data. i know a lot of other people would as well. >> i'd like you to look at the data. i'd feel much more comfortable if you got a good look at this data and other scientists as well. thank you all for being with us. next, some of what joe biden said after speaking with jacob
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blake during his visit to wisconsin. blake family attorney, benjamin crump, joins us. and later, more breaking news on kremlin campaign interference that looks and sounds a lot like a central focus of president trump's campaign.
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joe biden traveled to wisconsin, today. his visit, a striking contrast to the president's, this week. unlike the president, who focused almost exclusively on what he calls law and order in
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kenosha, and -- to even say jacob blake's name. the former vice president met with the blake family, and spoke, by phone, with jacob blake, himself. >> he talked about how nothing was going to defeat him. how, whether he walked again or not, he was not going to give up. we talked about some based on the 23rd psalm. raise you up and keep you -- hold you in the palm of his hand, until we meet again. well, i think, what's been unleashed with a lot of people is they understand that fear doesn't solve problems. only hope does. >> joining us, now, is blake family attorney, benjamin crump. mr. crump, thank you for being with us. you were on the phone during the meeting that vice president biden had with the blake family,
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earlier today. how did it go? and, in your view, what did it accomplish? >> well, john, it was very uplifting. vice president biden and dr. jill biden was the embodiment of leadership. the meeting was hopeful, spiritual and, at times, very substantive. his mother, julia jackson, prayed for everybody. his father, jacob blake sr., got into a lot of questions about how do we deal with the systematic racism? and vice president biden talked about his plan, talked about senator kamala harris's proposed legislation with the george floyd justice and accountability policing act. and so, it was real deep, on that level. but then, when jacob jr. got on
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the phone, that really was the, you know, encore to the conversation because you had him and vice president biden have a very deep conversation. where jacob blake jr. said he's not going to give up. he said, whether he walks or not, he's going to believe in the best in life because he has to because he has his three little boys that's counting on their daddy. a vice president biden -- offer him humanity and hope in those conversations. >> you say there was a lot of substance in the conversation. what specific pledges, if any, did the vice president make about what he would do, if elected? either, about jacob blake's case specifically, or about issues surrounding policing, in general. >> yeah. a part of it, he was listening because the jacob's sister had a
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lot of insight. but he talked about having a national registry of police shootings. he, also, talked about having the background checks. he talked about trying to ban the choke holds. having mandatory body cameras that you had to have those cameras on. and then, he talked about, also, getting back into having partners in the community. whether that's business leaders, law enforcement, education. he thought the whole solution was we had to come together to work against this systematic racism. >> obviously, president trump went to kenosha, earlier this week. did not mention jacob blake's name. i'm not sure he ever has. what was the impact of his visit? >> vice president biden? or president -- >> president trump. >> well, he never spoke with the
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family and never said jacob blake's name. so, therefore, you know, the family didn't focus on that very much. they just focused on, you know, jacob getting better. they focused on what vice president biden was talking about because he did reach out to them. and i think it was, really, about vice president biden saying we, in america, we all have to work together on this issue. it's not going to be solved by one entity. it's going to be solved by all of us working together. >> so, attorney general william barr spoke with wolf blitzer yesterday. and talked about specifics in the case. now, we're willing to stipulate it's odd for the attorney general of the united states to weigh in with specifics of a case that's under investigation. but one of the things that he said is that jacob blake was in the midst of committing a felony, and that he was armed when he was shot seven times, by police. what's your response to that? and, at this point specifically, can you say what, if anything, was in jacob blake's hands, at
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the time of the shooting? >> well, my co-counsels and myself believe is that the attorney general was grossly misinformed. the fact that the police were the aguessergressors, from begi to end, and this is by way of the video evidence, as well as witness accounts. and never was jacob blake jr. posing a threat to them as he was going away from them to get into the car, to get his three little boys out of a volatile situation. they were never in a life-or-death situation. so attorney general barr is just mistaken. >> was he armed, at the time? >> based on everything we know, he was not armed, at the time. and we have not been given any facts, by the wisconsin attorney general, anything to contradict
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what those witness accounts, who was there on the scene, told us. now, attorney general barr cannot go put his finger on the scales of justice to try to do what jacob blake sr. say, justify the unjustifiable of his son being shot seven times, in the back, while the police is holding his t-shirt. and when you look at that video, john, you see that there are women and children in the line of fire. and so, william barr can't perpetuate two justice systems in america. where they will try to condone a young man going to kill two people. and then, walking down the street with an assault weapon by national guard and law enforcement, where he's uninjured when he gets home. but they'll try to justify the shooting of a black man, who didn't kill anybody. >> benjamin crump. as you said, wisconsin local officials have not given us any
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specifics about the investigation. so it was odd to have the u.s. attorney general offer up something like that, without any specific evidence. we do appreciate your time, tonight, benjamin crump. thank you very much for being with us. >> thank you, john. >> we do have breaking news straight ahead. the mayor of rochester, new york, has suspended seven police officers for their involvement in the death of a black man, who was pinned to the ground and whose head was placed under a hood. this happened last march. we have details, when 360 continues.
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so breaking news, now. the mayor of rochester, new york, has suspended a total of
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seven police officers for their involvement in the death of a black man, who was pinned to the ground and whose head was placed under a hood for several minutes, last march. videotape of the incident surfaced in early august and was released by the man's family earlier in the week. new york governor, andrew cuomo, said it was, quote, extremely disturbing. police said while still in the process of gathering information, it does have concerns about the incident. k cnn's brian todd has the details. >> reporter: police body cam video show that when police find him about 3:15 a.m., daniel prude is naked on the street as a light snow falls. >> get on the ground. put your hands behind your back. behind your back. don't move. >> reporter: this incident occurred in rochester, new york, on march 23rd. two months before the killing of george floyd, in minneapolis. attorneys for prude's family provided cnn with body-cam footage, showing several angles and the confrontation is getting new scrutiny, tonight. >> experiencing and ultimately dying from a drug overdose in
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police custody, as i was told by the chief, is entirely different than what i ultimately witnessed on the video. >> reporter: the new york attorney general is investigating. prude's family is demanding justice. >> they treated my brother like a piece of garbage. and what do you do to garbage? you throw it out. so, that's basically what they done to my brother. >> daniel prude's brother called police that morning, saying prude was experiencing a mental health episode, and may have been on drugs. when officers arrived, prude complies with them and is handcuffed. >> are you daniel? >> yes, sir. >> daniel prude? >> please, let me get my -- >> daniel prude? >> reporter: moments later, the footage shows prude visibly agitated for several minutes, yelling at officers, squirming on the pavement. >> let me go. >> reporter: three minutes after first confronting him, police put what's called a spit sock over prude's head to minimize exposure, after they say he was
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spitting. but prude becomes more agitated. the officers demand that he lie still. >> give me the gun. >> stay down. >> when prude doesn't comply and appears to try to stand, three officers physically restrain him and hold him to the ground. >> trying to kill me. >> reporter: one officer has his knee on prude's back, and the other is holding his head to the pavement, while the spit sock remains on his head. another officer can be seen putting his weight on prude's head. prude seems to be struggling to breathe. at one point, the officers realize prude is spitting and appears to have vomited. paramedics arrive and begin assisting. instructing the officers to roll him over. cpr is performed for about two minutes. prude is then placed on a gurney and put into an ambulance. he was pronounced brain dead when he arrived at the hospital, and died a week later. prude's family is demanding the
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officers involved be fired, and charged with murder. rochester's police chief said, this week, he didn't have evidence to indicate that anything criminal might have occurred. but said if there was something more obvious, immediate action would have been taken. the mayor has announced that all seven officers involved have been suspended. the investigations are continuing. >> the man is defenseless. butt naked on the ground. he's cuffed up, already. i mean, come on. how many more brothers got to die for society to understand that this needs to stop? >> reporter: the police union in rochester said it had concerns about the incident involving its members. cnn was not able to reach the union or the suspended officers for further comment on the case. the autopsy report rules daniel prude's death a homicide, caused by, quote, complications of asphyxia in the setting of a physical restraint. the medical examiner's office, also, cites, quote, excited delirium and acute intoxication from the drug pcp as the cause
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of death. brian todd, cnn, washington. >> our thanks to brian for that report. cnn is reaching out to the suspended officers and to the union for additional comment. joining us, now, charles ramsey. cnn law enforcement analyst and former top cop in washington and philadelphia. chief ramsey, looking at it with your expert eyes, what's your reaction to that video of daniel prude's arrest? >> well, i mean, obviously, it is disturbing to watch. but, if i may, just kind of walk you through it very carefully. obviously, he's in mental distress. i mean, it's winter time. you can see the snow falling and he's naked. that tells you, right there, that he wasn't in his normal state of mind. he was compliant, initially. he put his hands behind his back, as requested. he is sitting on the ground. and then, you do see him begin to spit. now, they use what's called a spit hood. some call it a spit mask. and put over his head. some departments use that. some don't. it's a little on the controversial side. primarily, because of the optics of it. as you clearly see, from the
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video. but you can breathe through it. it's mesh, basically. but it does protect an officer against being bitten or being spat upon. once they put that hood on, though, he becomes more agitated. and that's when he is -- as he tries to get up, they start to apply pressure to keep him on the ground. now, the autopsy showed, of course, asphyxia. but it also shows he had a high level of pcp in his bloodstream. i don't know if you've ever seen a person or had to deal with a person high on pcp. they are very difficult to control. they can be incredibly strong. it is -- it is not a pretty sight to see somebody being taken into custody that's on pcp. i don't know if that had anything to do with it, or not. not trying to justify this. that will all come out, as part of the investigation. but i do know that having drugs in his system, i don't know what his mental state is normally, but all those things, combined. it was a very difficult
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situation. >> i get it. what you're laying out is this was a complicated situation, with different factors here. but looking at the video, did you see anything that was done, that you think could have, or should have, been done differently? >> well, it's hard to tell. but the pressure on the back, for a sustained period of time, could cause positional asphyxia. according to what i read, he was still spitting while had the hood on, plus, he may have vomited. that, of course, could get in the airway, and cause problems, as well. obviously, if they had released some pressure, rolled him over earlier, maybe things would have been different. who knows? whether or not that would have been the case. but it's not like a george floyd situation, where it's obvious that that is totally inappropriate. this is a little different situation, here. so it'll be interesting, as the evidence starts to come out during the course of the investigation, exactly what's found. >> charles ramsey, as always, we do appreciate your time. thank you very much. >> thank you. >> we have more breaking news, just ahead.
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more breaking news. a new report on russian attempts to sow doubt among americans about the integrity of elections. it's a message that appears to be a virtual copy of the one preached by president trump. cnn's evan perez joins us, now, with the details. evan, tell us about this warning
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from the department of homeland security. what does it say? >> well, john, this was an intelligence bulletin that the homeland security department has now sent to local and state law enforcement. and it basically warns that the russians are trying to sow doubt into the integrity of the 2020 election. by amplifying these -- these -- these stories that there could be vote fraud simply because there's going to be more mail-in balloting, come november. now, as you pointed out, this is the exact same message that we've been hearing from president trump, from some of his allies, on the campaign trail in the last few months. especially, in the last few weeks, as some states have decided that they're going to expand access to mail-in ballot. now, the facts are this. that there are a number of states that already do voting, entirely, by mail. and the evidence shows that there's very little to -- to -- to hardly any fraud at all in those states. and so, what president trump has
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been saying is that some states are simply not prepared to expand the mail-in ballot. and also, he is raising concerns about whether the postal service can handle the volume of increased ballots that are going to be sent by mail. so that's what you're hearing, now, from the russians as well in the last few weeks. >> so didn't misspeak. this wasn't the trump campaign. even though it sounds like they're doing exactly the same thing. do we have any information about how u.s. intelligence agencies plan to fight this, i guess, if at all? >> yeah. this puts them in a really, really tough place and we have been hearing from officials in the intelligence community about exactly this. look. they know what to do when it's a foreign country doing disinformation. they try and point it out. what they were not really prepared to do was when the disinformation is coming from the president, it's coming from his campaign, coming from his supporters, here, in this country, because that's first amendment protected. and so, what you see the
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homeland security department doing is sort of, you know, finding a way to parse this. by pointing out what the russians are doing. what is left unsaid in this intelligence bulletin is that the president and his campaign are responsible for these exact same messages, that the russians are trying to amplify. to -- to sow doubt into the integrity of the 2020 vote. >> evan perez, thank you, very much, for the reporting. perspective, now, from cnn senior political commentator and former obama adviser, david axelrod. also, chief political correspondent, dana bash. on this thursday night. david, what do you make of this reporting? >> well, look. it's -- we know that the president's been on this project, for some time. it's not surprising that the russians are engaging in this because the russians have looked for ways to create doubts, among citizens, in all the western democracies. and particularly, here, in the u.s. and so, the fact that they're doing this isn't a surprise. the fact that they're doing it,
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and working the same side of the street as the president of the united states is what makes it so insidious. you know, the president has been, for months and months and months, assaulting, without any evidence or justification, the -- the integrity of mail-in voting. tens of millions of people voted by mail in the last election. and the president impaneled a -- a vote-fraud commission, after that election, because he didn't like the fact that he had lost by 3 million votes. and they could find nothing. so, you know, this system has been tested. we know that. but, you know, there -- there was a poll in the "wall street journal," recently, that showed that 45% of americans had doubts about the integrity of the count that's going to happen on november 3rd. that is a direct result of all these combined efforts of the russians, the president. by the way, the attorney general of the united states, who appeared on cnn last night, and echoed all of these -- all of
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these conspiracy theories. >> yeah. i mean, you have the president, the attorney general, and the russians, all, saying the same thing. and, dana, i'm not suggesting coordination. but this has a russia, are you listening, feel to it when we heard in 2016. the russians doing exactly what the president is doing. and it's not only on this, right? abc news broke the story, a couple days ago, that there was a dhs bulletin that was going to be circulated that said the russians were sowing doubts about joe biden's mental acuity, at the exact same time the trump campaign was. so going behind the scenes and political campaigns.
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it is not necessary anymore because the president says it out loud all the time and saying mail-in voting is full of fraud. one of the most vivid examples in 2020. it does not take deep rooted intelligence by the russianis t figure out how to do that. they just have to look at his twitter feed everyday. >> what's the bigger impact of the president attacking the integrity of the elections and let alone the russians are doing it. >> it is enormous. he has as following and a base. that base takes what he says seriously. here is the dangerous part of this, john. it is maybe likely but certainly possible. more democrats than republicans
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because of what the president may been saying, we may not get a verdict on november 3rd because you have to count those ballots postmark before the election day. the election can drag on. what trump is setting up and he says it, i am going to win or the election is going to be rigged. there is no third option here. he's laying the foundation for a traumatic experience for this country. the russians love this. this is the russian project. >> what he should be telling americans that we'll vote until all the votes are counted. dana. let me point out that i am sure that members of the senate and house would have ton of questions about this from the director of national intelligence when odni briefs them in person and takes questions. oh, that does not happen
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anymore. >> we already heard from democrats today reiterating their concerns, they're outraged of how much this lays in the face of their ability to do their constitutional duty of oversight particularly the intelligence committees where they really have a special responsibility because they do have the ability to get classified information that those of us who are in the public or in the press, i believe it is our jobs sometimes to fair it out, things that are going out wrong. we can't do that because it is classified. it is their job to do that. one last thing i was going to say that everyon to this minute the president's saying mail-in voting is bad. this is the attempt by the trump campaign to get this done as much as possible because they know it will help them to get more votes.
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last night we brought you a remarkable story of a family in houston being evicted from their home caused by the pandemic. here is a portion of that report by your cnn correspondent. >> reporter: from one houston home to the next. deputy gant executes judge's order to evict. >> hello, constable. >> reporter: israel rodriguez is a tenant at this apartment, he's not alone. his brother and their mother are
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some of the estimated 40 million americans facing eviction in the downward spiral in the covid economy. >> reporter: rodriguez admits he has not been paying rents and behind thousands of dollars. >> it was a lot going on during the coronavirus time. it took me like a month to get another job. this is my check but i am not making it with $300. it is literally $300. >> reporter: their stroller carries their possessions. >> it is mainly the kids' clothes. me and her wear the same everyday. >> reporter: what are you going to do with all of your stuff. >> we don't have a car or help, we don't have anybody can help us out right now. we got ourselves and me and the kids and her and that's it. >> since that report aired here on "360" and the response and people wanting help has been
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touching and widespread. joining me now is allen rosen, the harris county precinct, thank you so much for being with us. that story is just heartbreaking. do you have any updates of that young family. >> just as you mentioned the overwhelming gifting spirit of americans kicked in at the time of this pandemic hurting so many families. there had been numerous of people helping. the city of houston and harris county has assistant program that's also helping people. the giving spirit of americans, this is what we are about and so they are getting help and we are