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tell the story. i'm brooke baldwin. "the lead" with jake tapper starts right now. welcome to "the lead." i'm jake tapper. and we start today with our health lead. the nation's top infectious disease expert dr. anthony fauci acknowledging this afternoon that many americans are skeptical about a coronavirus vaccine. the skepticism, of course, does not come in a vacuum. president trump has exerted political pressure on the fda when it comes to unsafe treatments for coronavirus such as hydroxychloroquine. and the president is now suggesting a vaccine could come before the election. this is all now requiring health experts such as fauci to reassure the public that any vaccine will be safe. >> we've got to regain the trust of the community about when we say something is safe and effective, they can be confident that it is safe and effective. and that's the reason why we have to be very transparent with
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the data as well as what it is that goes into the decisionmaking process about approving a vaccine. >> nine of the companies competing against each other to develop a vaccine have also tried to reassure the public today by promising to follow the science and not rush the process to get a vaccine approved. but not even a vaccine will be an instant fix for the coronavirus and a harsh reality set in today for millions of children across the united states as 14 of the largest school districts started a new semester this morning fully online. another demonstration for the american people that their government has failed them and is failing their children by not taking the steps necessary to contain the virus and stop its spread and by not having testing available all over the country so that schools can be open and be safe. nearly 190,000 americans have died from coronavirus at a rate nearly double that of the european union despite the e.u.
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having 100 million more residents. cnn's erica hill starts off our coverage. >> reporter: buses, backpacks, masks, back to school in the age of covid. >> my daughter is thriving to be around other people. >> reporter: minnesota's governor on hand for the first day. >> it's definitely a different year where it's the new backpacks and new shoes. now we have the batman mask and the elsa mask. >> reporter: 16 of the nation's largest school districts start today. of those 14 including chicago will begin the year online. >> as we said from day one, we're going to be guided by what the public health numbers tell us. >> reporter: the first day in hartford, connecticut, postponed after the city was hit with a cyber attack. >> this was, however, the most extensive and significant attack that the city has been subject to certainly in the last five years. >> reporter: more colleges forced to move classes online,
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including west virginia university, which also suspended more than two dozen students for covid-19-related violations. warnings across the country as cases and indoor gatherings increase. at the university of illinois, everyone is tested twice a week using a saliva test developed in house. >> two weekends ago we did have some students who made some really bad choices about their socialization behavior. and it did cause a problem. the really good news is because we were testing everyone fast and frequently, we saw this very early. and we were able to make quick corrective actions. >> reporter: more ads trying to recruit more diverse volunteers for vaccine trials. >> someone like you who wants things to go back to normal. >> reporter: as nine pharmaceutical companies working on those vaccines issue a rare joint pledge in the face of mounting political pressure from the president. >> we're going to have a vaccine very soon, maybe even before a very special date. you know what date i'm talking about. >> we will develop our products,
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our vaccines using the highest ethical standards and the most scientific rigorous processes. >> reporter: pfizer is partnering with a german company whose ceo tells cnn its vaccine could be ready for regulatory approval by october. >> we believe that we have a safe product and we believe that we will be able to show efficacy. >> reporter: new cases over the past week are holding steady in nearly half the states. 15 posting a decline. but among the 11 seeing an increase, the states in red, two former hot spots. arizona and florida where the number of new cases is up 20% over the last week. and after a busy labor day weekend, many officials are watching and waiting. >> this is a virus that is still among us. it ebbs and flows. >> the virus is certainly on the university of tennessee knoxville campus. the chancellor saying she is
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getting disturbing information specifically about fraternities saying she has learned fraternity leaders are giving them ideas how to have parties so they won't get caught, how they can avoid the police. also in some cases telling members not to get tested or if they do, to do so in a way that the results are not shared with the university. she is calling any effort to avoid isolation and quarantine reckless, noting that this behavior will of course jeopardize the semester for all the students on campus. she also says the school may soon need to take more drastic measures. >> all right, erica hill, thank you so much. joining us now to discuss, cnn chief medical correspondent dr. sanjay gupta. sanjay, you heard dr. fauci say that health officials need to regain the trust of the community. obviously, this doesn't happen in a vacuum. president trump has politicized the process, pushed the fda to approve things that otherwise wouldn't have approved. what needs to happen in order for the public to regain trust in the vaccine when it's ready? >> well, i think a lot of this probably has to do with being
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very transparent about the data. i think there's been this sense after hydroxychloroquine, about the exaggerating of the data around convalescent plasma that, you know, people are sort of in the dark on this stuff a little bit. we're not seeing how these decisions are getting made. jake, as part of our reporting we went back and looked at other pandemics and tried to understand what was the level of trust at that time. i could show you i think we have this graphic going back to 2009, for example, during h1n1, and basically asking at that time what would be your willingness to get an unapproved vaccine? less than around 9% of people said that they would actually do it at that point. point being that there is always been this hesitancy about taking a vaccine that has not gone through the fully approved process, which is understandable. but take a look at what they found subsequent to that when they said, well, what would actually increase your trust, increase your willingness to
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take it? and it's that bottom line. close to 70% said they would take it if it was information and the vaccine given by their health care provider, which maybe goes without saying, jake. but here's the point is that the medical community right now really needs to be led in on how this vaccine is being made, what the various metrics are for approving it. and really encouraging health care providers to become educated about this if they are going to potentially encourage their patients to do so. that needs to be happening now as opposed to just thinking this is sort of top down from the federal government vaccine process. >> president trump tieing it to the election it's going to come before a very special day. he's talking about election day. that doesn't make anybody feel safe. that has nothing to do with when the vaccine's going to be ready election day. it's either going to be ready according to the medical and health community or it's not.
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>> right. i mean, look, it's seemingly impossible to disentangle anything from politics. and on one hand you want pressure because you want things to move fast and medical innovation, the pace of it has been faster than i've ever seen before. but this idea that there is this target date like this i think makes people, lots of people nervous. and i've been talking to people who work at these vaccine companies, people within the federal government. they're nervous. this typically takes a much longer time. and what you saw from some of these vaccinemakers today, this pledge that erica was just talking about, they say specifically they're only going to submit for approval or even authorization after the phase three trial is done. that just takes time, jake. >> we also saw these nine companies coming together joint statement promising they will not rush the vaccine process with president trump suggesting that it might come before election day. this seems pretty significant to me. i mean, you can't really get nine pharmaceutical companies to agree on much.
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>> no. i agree with you. this is significant for that reason. and also because there's been the sense are these companies competing against one another? which they are. you got to be certain of that. but they also can police each other and sort of make sure that the other companies are being clear about the data they are presenting before they are trying to get this emergency use authorization. giving an authorization for a vaccine is very unusual. i mean, typically you think about authorizations for a medicine for someone who's in the hospital dying, has no other options. that's when you typically think of eua for a therapeutic. for a vaccine, basically you're saying, hey, look, we'd like to get this done as quickly as possible, everybody would, but the alternative to the vaccine is that we wear masks and keep physical distance for a few months longer until we really have this nailed down. that's going to be the decision matrix that i think a lot of these companies and the fda will eventually have to balance.
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>> some possibly promising news. today the head of biontech said the vaccine they are working on with pfizer could be ready to submit to the fda by the middle of october. if they make that date, when would the public start being able to see this vaccine rolled out obviously to health care workers first? >> well, first of all i think that's a really hard date to make. i just want to set expectations because i think once the date's out there, people think, well, why isn't it done? it's a hard date to make. on one hand you've got tens of thousands of people receiving the vaccine. tens of thousands of people getting a placebo. in a strange way, jake, you're banking on the idea that there will be a lot of infections in the placebo group to prove that the vaccine is actually working. so it's a little counterintuitive, but that's what you need. and that can just take time. but, to your question, for people watching who say, look, what does this ultimately mean for me, the idea that you're going to have vaccine available to the general public, you're still talking about probably
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spring of next year despite all the conversation that we're having now. still got to be manufactured, has to be done at a very pure level. you need hundreds of millions of syringes and things like that. and that may sound almost silly to talk about in this context. but, remember, we got sort of stymied by nasal swabs at one point, jake. so we got to make sure we have enough of the core supplies to have this happen as well. they're starting to work on this stuff. but this is the biggest sort of vaccination project we've really undertaken this rapidly. billions ultimately of doses around the world are going to be necessary, and it's just going to take time. >> sanjay, a source in the white house specifically mentioned you by name according to "the washington post" saying that they would be willing to share data with you about the vaccine ahead of time. what do you think? >> yeah. i mean, i saw that, and i would love to see the data ahead of time. i think there has to be full transparency here with this. this is the biggest public health issue that any of us have
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dealt with in our lifetime. there has to be full transparency. i'm happy to look at it and i'm sure other public health officials would like to look at it. are there potential side effects? the side effect profile for some of them were concerning at the higher doses of the vaccine. are we seeing any of those side effects? are they rare side effects that may become more common as you do more and more people? and then obviously how well does it work? there's objective ways to look at that. >> all right, dr. sanjay gupta, thanks as always. good to see you, my prend. as president trump heads out on the campaign trail, he says he is willing to spend millions of dollars of his own money if it means one thing. then joe biden also out on the campaign trail. where he's going and what it may say about the state of the race. stay with us. a veteran who honorably served and it's made for her she's serving now we also made usaa for military spouses and their kids become a member. get an insurance quote today.
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eight weeks from today, election day. and in our 2020 lead, president trump says he will spend whatever it takes to win and that may mean millions out of his own pocket to fund his campaign. we should note, he is claiming he's willing to do this. there is no evidence he's actually going to do this. today a new report from the "new york times" says the trump campaign war chest is, quote, dwindling. and now with two months until the election, the president is trying to boost his campaign and make up for that story in "the atlantic" magazine and the fallout that claimed he disparaged veterans as losers and suckers, as cnn's kaitlan collins reports. >> reporter: with labor day behind him, president trump is back on the campaign trail in two states that were critical to his 2016 election. florida and north carolina. >> we're going to florida, we're going to north carolina, we're doing a double stop. >> reporter: but in between his two stops, the president is still dealing with the fallout from a report in "the atlantic" claiming he disparaged americans
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killed in war and insulted the service of military members. >> who would say a thing like that? only an animal would say a thing like that. >> reporter: new cnn reporting reveals that trump was visibly distressed over the fallout from the story this weekend fearing it could erode his support within the military. trump's anger was evident as he vented from the front steps of the white house yesterday where he accused senior military leadership of being beholden to defense contractors. >> i'm not saying the military's in love with me. the soldiers are. the top people in the pentagon probably aren't because they want to do nothing but fight wars so that all of those wonderful companies that make the bombs and make the planes and make everything else stay happy. >> reporter: sources said that comment was sparked by the president's fwer that more pentagon leaders didn't defend him. mark meadows claims he wasn't talking about mark esper, who was once the top lobbyist for raytheon, one of the biggest defense companies in the world.
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>> those comments are not directed specifically at them as much as washington d.c. >> reporter: meadows did not mention how trump has bragged in the past about a massive arms sale to saudi arabia. >> i believe it's the largest order ever made. >> reporter: trump is on the road today as his campaign is facing a potential cash shortage after spending heavily in the early stages of the race. trump said today he's considering funding the race with his own money like he did in the 2016 primaries. >> but if we needed any more, i'd put it up personally, like i did in the primaries last time, in the 2016 primaries i put up a lot of money. if i have to, i'll do it here. >> reporter: so, jake, we'll actually see if the president does end up putting up some of his own money. but he was in florida today. it's his 11th trip there this year. and while there, he announced he is going to sign an order extending that moratorium on offshore drilling on the gulf
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coast side of florida. but the president said he's extending it to the atlantic side and the coast of georgia and south carolina. that's a pretty big reversal from just two years ago when the administration was considering moving forward with allowing new drilling to happen, something that they dropped and reversed their plan on after there was serious pushback from officials in florida. >> so keeping the obama ban on offshore drilling in effect. interesting. and, kaitlan, the newly renovated white house rose garden, it just reopened, but it's under repair already? >> reporter: yeah. it's only been three weeks since all of these renovations were going on. and now it's already under repair again. that is why we have not seen reporters out there in the last several weeks. the president held it on the front porch of the white house, something i'm not sure any president has done for some time. and now my colleague is told they are having irrigation issues, drainage issues, all of these things that were supposed to be fixed in the renovation. we know they were already having problems with the new sod that
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they had just laid. because they had to put that tiny board across it and the turf across it for the guests to come out for the first lady's speech during the republican convention. now we are told those problems are still plaguing the rose garden, jake. >> interesting. kaitlan collins, thank you so much. coming off a trip to pennsylvania tomorrow, joe biden will head to michigan, a key battleground the democrats want to flip back to blue after president trump won that state by just 10,000 votes in 2016. cnn's m.j. lee joins us now. the biden campaign focused on pennsylvania, wisconsin, florida, and michigan this week. what are they hoping to accomplish? >> reporter: well, jake, joe biden heads to michigan for the first time since the pandemic really slowed down a lot of in-person campaigning. and we expect the overarching focus tomorrow in michigan to be about the economy. we have heard donald trump try to paint this rosy picture of the economic recovery, and the biden campaign feels it is very important to not let those
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statements go unchecked. and they believe that there are plenty of voters out there across the country who hear the president talk about this economic recovery and this picture of an economy that is roaring back and that they simply do not feel like this is their own reality. so, manufacturing certainly especially because he is going to be in michigan will be something that joe biden talks about tomorrow as well. and just on a separate topic, biden campaign aide also tells cnn that the campaign is not going to let up on the "the atlantic" report that came out last week. we also have heard joe biden now talk about that in very personal terms. last week he even went as far as to say this is the most disappointed he had ever been in his entire career, was very angry about this. so expect that this is something that joe biden could possibly continue talking about in the coming days as well. and i will just say in the big picture, jake, what the biden campaign feels like is that post democratic and republican convention, the race they feel
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like has remained stable and that despite republicans continue trying to talk about the issue of law and order, they believe very firmly that the issues that voters care about the most still is the economy and the handling of the pandemic. >> all right, mj lee with the biden campaign, thank you so much. joining me now, cnn political correspondent abby phillip. thanks to both of you for joining us. first of all, let's start with this new nbc news marist poll. trump is in the lead. he has 51% support. biden has 46% support. that's among florida latinos. compare that to the 2016 exit polls of florida latino voters. hillary clinton had 62% among them. trump had only 35%. abby, this seems like potentially a big problem for the vice president, mr. biden, who has really been underperforming with latino voters all over the country. >> yeah. it definitely is a warning sign of things to come.
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potentially in florida and places like nevada. i think there has been a lot of concern about this among democrats and latino democrats that the biden campaign in particular has not put as much focus on the issue of appealing to this segment of voters as they should. and i think these numbers seem to bear out that there is a real problem that needs to be addressed. the question is what is the solution to that problem? you heard biden, if you remember, a couple of months ago, he got in trouble actually for answering a question about this and implying that latino voters were more diverse in their political views than bloek voters. but he seemed to be alluding to this problem that the campaign had. clearly president trump is having some impact in the latino community in a way that has not been seen in many years. and when the game is all about margins, especially in a state like florida, this could make all the difference in the world.
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>> take a look at this new ad from the biden campaign. >> this is our chance to put the darkness of the past four years behind us, to end the anger, the insults, division, violence, and start fresh in america. we can stop focusing on a president who thinks it's all about him and start focusing on what's best for us. >> tell me what you think of that ad and who you think it will resonate with, if anyone. >> it really harkens back to joe biden's message when he kicked off his presidential campaign when he was talking about how he was really inspired to run for the presidency after president trump's divisive remarks in charlottesville nearly three years ago to this point. and i think the former vice president biden is trying to bring it back to that. it really is an appeal to those on the fence voters who have been kind of perhaps supporting trump on issues, whether it's
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the economy, whether it's conservatives in the judiciary. but who are really fed up with kind of the environment in the country and also his rhetoric. and you can see biden trying to pull in those voters. and if you look at the rest of that ad, the first kind of issue that he raises is the ongoing pandemic. and you do see that effort from the biden campaign to make sure that focus is on -- the main focus is on president trump's handling of the coronavirus pandemic is because that is where biden is seen as stronger in that florida polling that we just discussed, more florida voters, even though biden may be down with latino voters and that poll shows biden and trump tied with likely voters in the state. florida voters still see biden as better in place to handle the pandemic, reflecting the sentiments nationally. so you do see the biden campaign really trying to hammer that message of the pandemic and the
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president while the president would like to turn his focus to other matters. >> sources tell cnn that president trump is distressed and deflated over that story by jeff goldberg in "the atlantic" about how he privately disparaged soldiers that had been killed as losers and people who served as suckers. could this have an effect on voters especially members of the military? >> i certainly think it could have an effect on members of the military on voters more broadly, it's hard to say because four years ago we were kind of exactly in this position he had made disparaging remarks about john mccain. he took a big hit for it. but it was temporary. and i think a lot of times with president trump these hits in his polling are temporary in nature. he rebounds eventually perhaps because some other controversy comes along. but one thing about this issue for him now is that he's going into this cycle that i've talked to aides of his over the years who say he often likes to kick
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himself in the foot. he was upset about this report, and as kaitlan reported lashed out at military brass for not defending him sufficiently accusing them of being part of a military industrial complex seeking to expand foreign wars. those kinds of comments are just obviously not helpful. and you saw mark meadows trying to walk them back becaus they really need to get a handle on this situation. >> you're saying the top members of the military like wars because they like the military industrial complex to make money. i want to go back to what you were just talking about, about that biden ad which basically was talking about trump's tone and his rhetoric. i mean, hillary clinton, that was her main message about donald trump. she had all those ads, you know, perfectly effective of kids being shocked at things that they were hearing from donald trump on tv. is the biden campaign repeating that mistake instead of talking about things that might affect voters more directly like jobs,
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covid, et cetera? >> i think that's the definite fine line the biden campaign has to take. whether it's a referendum on president trump's character, we haven't necessarily seen that borne out. biden does -- if you look at polling where biden is stronger than where hillary clinton was four years ago is that if we don't like either candidate, those voters tend to break for biden, whereas in 2016 those voters tended to break for trump. so, that could be an advantage of the biden campaign could have this year compared to hillary clinton in 2016. but democrats will tell you if you look at the lessons of 2018, the democrats relentless focus on kitchen table issues, the economy, and particularly health care was their strength. and you could be hearing more on issues from democrats because of what they learned in the midterm campaign. >> thanks to both of you. be sure to tune into "the lead" on thursday. we'll have an exclusive sit-down issue with former vice president
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in our politics lead today, the u.s. senate will vote on a slimmed down $500 billion stimulus billion on thursday after months of internal
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negotiations among senate republicans. the plan is expected to include unemployment benefits of $300 a week in additional funding and aid for schools, small businesses and the usz postal service. house speaker nancy pelosi is slamming the bill saying it, quote, insults the intelligence of the american people, unquote. cnn's manu raju joins me now from capitol hill. right now this bill doesn't even have full republican support is my understanding. why not? >> reporter: that's right. some republicans are concerned about the price tag including kentucky senator rand paul who has raised concerns about something to this level. other republicans have pushed for additional, some of their ideas to be added to the plan. they have yet to say they will endorse this proposal, which is just coming out this afternoon. what mitch mcconnell and senate majority leaders are trying to get 51 senators out of 53 republican senators. that is not enough for it to pass the united states senate. they need 60 votes to overcome a democratic filibuster. the democrats are strongly
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against this plan. what he's trying to do is set up this election year argument. and recall what happened back in july when the republicans put out a $1 trillion relief plan. that plan prompted a number of republicans to push back. they were concerned about a number of these ideas. mcconnell didn't even bring that to the floor for a vote. behind the scenes in august he put together this plan to roughly $500 billion to try to get his old conference united behind it. this includes $300 in extension of weekly jobless benefits as down from the $600 the democrats had pushed. including $105 billion in aid for schools. democrats want $430 billion. additional money for small business loans and also a provision to limit lawsuits against companies, against schools, against health care workers, democrats have pushed back on that idea, which is why we expect this bill when the procedural vote happens on thursday. it's going to stall in the face of a democratic filibuster leading negotiations back to where they are, stalled. >> and so it's stalled and the
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senate republicans will say we had this $500 billion bill. democrats will say, well, we have this $3 trillion bill in the house that you wouldn't come behind. and then, what, just the american people who need this money, they're just screwed? >> it seems that way, jake. unless some deal could emerge. the next vehicle that could become law, the legislative vehicle could be a bill to keep the government open past this month. they need to pass something to keep federal agencies open past september 30th. perhaps that could serve as a negotiation. but at the moment leaders on both sides want to keep that free of any extraneous measures, which is why they may just simply keep the government open until december while so many people wait for relief from washington. >> while people are starving. in our money today as lawmakers remain at this stalemate on this stimulus plan, the markets are continuing to tumble. the dow closing down more than 600 points today after stocks
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saw their worst day in months last week. cnn's richard quest joins me now. richard, are we headed for another bad week on wall street, you think? >> yes. i fear we are. it's largely because august saw a rally in the market when nasdaq was up 12, 15%. that was quite unjustified by the economic fundamentals. what we saw in august was a sharp run-up in stocks that was not justified. there was a lot of funny-goes on with people buying coal, options and the like. that has come to an end. so, jake, i do think you are looking for an extremely rocky volatile few more sessions before the market settles back to something that we're reflecting in the current economy. >> obviously the virus continues to spread in this country. testing remains behind where it needs to be. but people in the united states are still pushing to try to have some normalcy.
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amc theaters just opened 70% of their movie theaters. the film "tenant" grossed over $20 million in theaters. i think that's kind of on the lower end of what they were hoping. but does this suggest that some people are ready to start going out spending money even if it means taking risks like going to a movie theater? >> oh, jake, we know they're ready. people have been ready for weeks to do this. the issue is can you do it and do it with a degree of safety that doesn't send the numbers -- and i'm not talking about florida and texas back in july. i'm here in london in the uk. the uk is seeing a sharp rise in new cases because, as the government says, people have either been negligent or complacent over the last few weeks. you are seeing colleges returning, school is going back. if you put that into the u.s., you realize all the same factors are at play. so, yes, people are ready.
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they are taking those risks. the danger and fear from the economic point of view is that the numbers rise and the restrictions have to be reimposed. that's what's being seen in france, in germany, and in large parts of europe and in parts of the uk. >> all right, richard quest, thank you so much. it's one of the country's coronavirus hot spots. with several colleges seeing big spikes. so why are there still in-person classes in this state? that's next. m a delivery operats manager in san diego, california. we were one of the first stations to pilot a fleet of electric vehicles. we're striving to deliver a package with zero emissions into the air. i feel really proud of the impact that has on the environment. we have two daughters and i want to do everything i can to protect the environment so hopefully they can have a great future. a lot goes through your mind.
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back to our health lead. iowa now has one of the highest case counts per capita in the
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entire united states. exasperated by cases on college campuses. iowa state university seeing more than 900 cases in its first month of classes. and yet iowa state is continuing in-person learning. and governor kim reynolds is bucking the advice of many doctors in her own state refusing to order a mask mandate or order bars closed. joining me now is a physician at unity point health des moines. he started a petition with other iowa physicians for the governor to put a shelter-in-place order. doctor, thanks for joining us. so you're treating covid patients as iowa has become a hot spot in the country. tell us what you've seen with the spike of cases. >> numbers are for sure going up. right now the spike is largely attributed to young adults. and as you said, most of them are likely in our college communities. so a lot of them remain relatively mild in terms of their symptoms. but we are seeing severe
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symptoms. and we have had a few young adults even die. >> so that's interesting because i think a lot of people when they hear that young adults have it they think 45% or so cases nationwide are asymptomatic. and you are saying that many of them might be asymptomatic. but some of them have had serious health problems and some of them have even died from this. >> nobody is immune from this disease. and, yes, younger people have better odds of getting through it. but anybody can die from this. >> so iowa has one of the highest per capita covid cases in the nation. governor reynolds is refusing to recommend a mask mandate and close bars. what do you think the consequences will be of those decisions? >> we're seeing the consequences. we, unfortunately, have squandered away an opportunity to prepare for this. iowa has benefitted from its
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geography and its relatively low population density. to have a chance to learn from the trials and tribulations from the other states and to try to apply science to keep this from occurring, we squandered that opportunity. we are seeing the results of it. and i fear we'll see it get worse and worse. >> let me just ask you because we're all trying to figure out how to get back to some semblance of life during this pandemic, which, sadly, will likely be with us for quite some time. is the problem of young people getting it on college campuses and elsewhere entirely because students are going to bars and fraternities, congregating not wearing masks? or is just the fact that they're back on campus spreading the virus? >> it's going to be inherent spread in any college campus regardless of the measures taken. i think we have added fuel to the fire in a negative way both in our messaging and lack of messaging of the importance for everybody to wear masks.
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so, yeah, we're experiencing terrible times, and it's going to -- yes, it's going to be worse i think in iowa colleges because prior to going to college, students were watching their parents often times not wearing masks in public because, in part, it's not mandated. >> many of the cases came after colleges in iowa reopened. and now k-12 schools are re-opening. we just wrapped up a long weekend where people gathered together, flu season right around the corner. are you worried about what some doctors are saying about is going to be a perfect storm of schools re-opening, people coming together, covid, and then of course the flu? >> yes. i worry when college students come back. i worry if or when we have more outbreaks in our primary schools. and then when the flu pandemic comes and it will, hopefully it'll be mild. we're going to have a double
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strain on our health care system. you don't want to have to go to the hospital with influenza when it's full of coronavirus patients and vice versa. because you might not get a bed or a ventilator, god forbid, if you need one. >> governor reynolds just announced $100 million additional to ramp up testing in iowa. it doesn't sound like you think she's doing enough in terms of protecting people because she's letting this in-person education continue, keeping the bars open, et cetera. what do you think about this testing regimen? will that help? >> we already don't have enough testing. our test positivity rate in the last 14 days is above 10%. the world health organization says you don't have enough testing unless your positivity rate is 5% or less. so that means we're missing a lot of cases. so we already don't have enough. we have a lot of ground to make up. and when the pandemic is getting worse instead of better in this space, it's going to be a heavy
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lift to get the kind of testing that we need. not only to get on top of it but then to reopen safely when it's safe to do so, which is quite some time from now. >> depressing news. i hope that the good people of iowa start wearing masks and being safer in their behavior. dr. austin baeth, thank you so much for your time. coming up, a look at the impact of coronavirus on some of the world's most dangerous places. that's next. veterans like liz a. when their growing family meant growing expenses, our agents helped make saving on insurance easy usaa. what you're made of, we're made for. usaa
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in our world lead now, india is now the second hardest hit country in covid infections just behind the united states. in one month the number of confirmed cases in india doubled from 2 million to more than 4 million, surpassing brazil. in turkey, officials are now mandating masks in all public places after seeing a second coronavirus peak. and in israel, leaders there decided to impose a partial lockdown next week in an effort to tamp down that country's infection surge. here to discuss and more, clarissa ward, cnn's chief international correspondent. she has a new booked "on all fronts." it's a must read. clarissa, congratulations on the book. it's really fantastic. i have to ask you you've been covering the covid-19 vaccine human trials at the university of oxford. how are you seeing different countries around the world
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handle their outbreaks as we all wait for a vaccine? >> well, i think, jake, broadly speaking, everyone is struggling with this tug of war between public safety and saving the economy. and that is particularly pronounced in countries that have large informal sectors. you mentioned india, for example. millions of people under lockdown there were unable to work. there is no safety net. so the government had to try to start lifting those restrictions. but the minute you see those restrictions lifted, particularly in a country like india with crowded living conditions, with poor sanitation, you start to see a spread of the virus. we've seen that in turkey too, even here in europe in france when you lift the lockdowns, you do start to see that second wave starting, jake. >> and you've spent the past decade reporting from iraq, lebanon, russia, syria, just to name a few. in your new book you talk about why you keep covering the world's most dangerous places.
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how have your experiences in war zones prepared you for what is happening in the world right now? >> well, listen, jake, this isn't a conflict in the sense that i've covered before a violent war. but i do think it is a war nonetheless with hundreds of thousands of people across the world dying. and so our job as journalists continues to be to sort of hold those in power accountable, assess their handling of this crisis. but the trickier part as a journalist is how to capture the more human side of it. because this is definitely the first war i've had to cover largely from my living room. >> you write that your journalism has been defined by an age of extremism. and you prude journalism after the attacks of 9/11. what do you make in which there is so much iz misinformation and journalism remains under attack around the world? >> i think that's really part of why i wrote this book. it's essentially a love letter
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to journalism and a glimpse at the blood, sweat, and tears and the highs and lows and the passion and commitment that goes into doing what i firmly believe is one of the greatest jobs and the greatest privileges in the world. and obviously it's beyond depressing to be on the front lines of aleppo getting shot at and have people on twitter calling you fake news. and i also think it's dangerous. and i think of younger journalists who are up and coming and how do they navigate this sort of post-trust era. which i think at the end of the day the fundamental mission stays the same, which, for me is bear witness, tell people's stories, hold those in power accountable. >> let's talk about bearing witness. because you're a mom of two boys, the first born in 2018, the second born this year. i understand you've been at home in london since lockdown began in march. how has that impacted your reporting in how you cover conflict and bear witness? >> it's incredibly challenging because my work has always been
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about forming human connections, about going to places that other people can't always get to, and telling stories that aren't being told. how do you do that in this era of covid where we're so limited where we can travel, where people are wearing masks and ppe? how do you communicate the humidity, the heartbreak, the every single loss of life? it's so difficult to do that when you are relying largely on technology and zoom. but i'm also really inspired to see how journalists are continuing to do this important job. >> quickly, if you could, because we only have about 30 seconds. when you talk about misinformation and the importance of reporters bearing witness, how do you deal with the fact that there are so many lies coming from governments these days in the uk here in the united states and people have lost a lot of trust in us because of that. >> i think you put your head
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down, you stick to facts and you keep doing your job. you keep marching forward. you get up every morning. you do it again. you tune out the noise and you stick to the facts, jake. >> amember. clarissa ward, thank you so much again on the book. our coverage on cnn continues right now. this is cnn breaking news. >> welcome to our viewers here in the united states and around the world. i'm wolf blitzer in "the situation room." we're following breaking news. the u.s. is on the verge now of passing 190,000 coronavirus deaths. there are now more than 6.3 million confirmed cases here in the united states. and tonight as schools move ahead with re-opening, we're learning more about the toll the virus is taking on children. a new report very disturbing new report finds half a million american kids have been diagnosed with covid-19.