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short. daniel morales of texas was a nurse who treated covid patients in need of dialysis. his sister describes him as self-less and caring to his wife, his patients and every he met. may they rest in peace, and may mary memories be a blessing. "erin burnett outfront" starts right now. "outfront" next, playing with fire, the president about to hold a rally in north carolina. few masks, no social distancing in the crowd as you see. as vaccine makers make an unprecedented plan to rebuke president trump. trump visibly distressed over the fallout from claims he disparaged american troops, what do people think of him. new reporting ahead. a black man who police admit they made a mistake and offered him a job. he's my guest. let's go "outfront." and good evening.
i'm erin burnett. reckless, the president is about to hold a rally in north carolina. the infection rate there now topping what is considered safe for reopening, and this is the scene. almost no one -- you see it. this is live. no masks. there is no social distancing. and there are hundreds of people all packed together. they are following the example, of course, set by the president who's about to appear before them, a president who will not wear a mask himself and even mocks those who do so. >> you're going to have to take that off please, you can take it off. how many feet are you away. >> i'll speak a lot louder. >> if you don't take it off, you're very muffled. >> i'll just speak a lot better. is that better? >> it's better, yeah. it's better. did you ever see a man that likes a mask as much as him? and then he makes a speech and he always has it -- not always but a lot of times has it hanging down because it gives
him a feeling of security. if i were a psychiatrist -- right? i would say -- i would say this guy's got some big issues. >> the president there talking about vice president joe biden with those absurd commentsment i'm not going to get into who has issues with masks psychologically. the reality is masks are the only thing that can mean life and death. to date, that led to rebuke from the pharmaceutical companies, the ones out there doing the research and responsible for putting a vaccine on the market. they are forfally and publicly pledging they will not let politics dictate when a vaccine is ready. this is an unprecedented thing to have to do. it is unprecedented. i just have to emphasize that. it's only necessary because trauf trump has made it clear because a vaccine is best scheduled to help him win an election, not when it's safe and effective.
>> i'm rushing it. >> what's the earliest we could see a vaccine? >> sooner than the end of the year, could be much sooner. >> sooner than november 3rd? >> oh, i think -- i think in some cases, yeah, it's possible before. but right around that time. >> [ inaudible question ] >> it wouldn't hurt. it wouldn't hurt. >> we're going have a vaccine very soon, maybe even before a very special date. we know the date i'm talking about. >> we do. we know the special date. trump has linked the vaccine to his re-election. he's also forced his top infectious disease expert dr. anthony fauci to speak out. >> we've got to regain the trust of the community about when we say something is safe and effective they can be confident that it is safe and effective. and that's the reason why we have to be very transparent with the data as well as what it is that goes into the
decision-making process about approving a vaccine. >> nick watt begins our coverage tonight "outfront" in los angeles. nick, when we talk about vaccines, safe and effective, the president is kind of given this impression that everything is going so amazingly it's going to be ready months ahead of anyone saying it would. in that context you have ceos coming out and news from one of the most promising trials tonight astrazeneca, they say they're pausing their trials. what is happening there? >> yeah, well, erin, astrazeneca is one of three companies currently involved in phase three trials here in the united states. so, this is a big one. now, they have just paused all of their testing worldwide after an unexplained illness in one volunteer in britain. now, they say that this is a standard precaution. we will keep an eye on it. meanwhile, erin, we are now up over 6.3 million confirmed cases
in this country. and now amongst children in this country, more than half a million cases. >> millions of students back in school today, but most aren't actually in school. they're online only. >> if you're in the red zone, you really got to be very careful before you bring the children back because you don't want to create a situation where you have a hyperspreading event as you might have in a school. >> hartford, connecticut, planned a hybrid model, but a cyber attack just forced a delay. >> as difficult as that was in this year when so much work has gone into preparing for the first day of school -- >> reporter: tens of thousands of cases at colleges. west virginia university just suspended all in person teaching for two weeks. friday night a covid positive frat member told to isolate, went to a party anyway. nationally case counts are still headed in the right direction
for now. >> but we are beginning to do things that we haven't done since the start of the pandemic. >> reporter: like opening some schools and colleges and moving indoors in colder weather. in new york, sheriff's deputies will now stop buses arriving from a staggering 33 states and territories. >> they will be pulling over buses before they arrive, and they'll be giving out those traveller health forms to get people right away to sign up so we can make sure they quarantine. >> reporter: 11 states are right now seeing a rise in average case counts. arizona and florida, success stories of the late summer, ticking up again. >> we need to hang in there together. this will end and it will end even sooner if we continue to go by the public health measures that have been recommended time and again for so many months. >> reporter: a new study of cell phone data suggests people staying home in the spring did slow the spread of this virus. they saved lives.
but the president thinks shutdowns are ridiculous, claims democrats are using them just to hurt him. >> reporter: and the president also likes to talk down testing. he seems to think that testing creates cases rather than just uncovering them. anyway, today the directors of the national institutes of health reiterated once more that testing as many people as possible is key if we're going control this pandemic. >> stop it from getting to those who can get so sick. thank you so much, nick. i want to go now to dr. sanjay gupta and dr. ashish jha, director of the global health institute. i want to start with the news nick was reporting, astrazeneca pausing its trial because of an unexplained illness in one participate. this is a significant vaccine. they are in late stage phase three trials including here in
the u.s. so, you know, you look at this unexplauned illness in one person. that might make a lot of people afraid. it might make some people say you're going to stop the whole thing because of an illness in one person? what do you see in this? does it give you caution? >> yeah, i mean, well, it tells me a couple of things. first of all, this is, in part, how it should work. you have an unexplained illness. sounds like a seeshs illness in one volunteer. this is what should happen. they haven't stopped it as much as paused this trial. they're going to try to figure out what this illness is, is it related to the vaccine. it may not be related to the vaccine. they've got to figure this out. this is, in part, why you do phase three clinical trials. you're trying to prove this thing works. you already have some idea this trial is worth pursuing. now you want to see if you find any unusual side effects. erin, scale matters here. if you think about it, give this to 100 million people. if .1% of them develop some sort
of side effect, that's 100,000 people. so, everything counts here when you're looking at these adverse effects and they're going to try to find out if this one is related to the vaccine or not. >> to your point i know we're all assuming there will be multiple vaccine candidates at some point but you are talking about numbers like that. so, dr. jha, on this point about vaccines, we've never seen -- and i was in business reporting for a long time. i've never seen a bunch of ceos get together and put out a statement saying what they did for business was going to be motivated by politics. it was a stunning thing today. nine vaccine makers pledging not to bow to politics when it comes to a vaccine. i'm sorry -- i'm going to ask dr. jha that question. sanjay, we appear to have lost his shot for a second. how significant, sanjay, is this that they all got together and did something like this? >> i think this is pretty significant. i followed even pre-covid
followed stories like this for some time. there's a competitiveness to these pharmaceutical companies no doubt. but the idea they're collaborating like this, they're sort of reading the audience, if you will, understanding there's a significant lack of trust right now in making a move like this is significant. they also will police each other in some ways, not necessarily poring over each others' data but making sure they're not going to request approval or emergency use authorization before they have significant phase three data. we'll see if they hold up to that. i thought this was a very significant move. >> dr. jha, it comes -- as i pointed out, you have the president making the comments that the vaccine would come by the special day of november 3rd and all those things and mocking joe biden saying he has a psychological issue of a dependency of wearing a mask, which is an appalling thing to say, as i pointed out. you know, i said in north carolina where the president is right now, he has hundreds of
people gathered. there's no social distance. there were no masks. this is very interesting -- by the way, the governor in that state is an executive order saying you have to wear a mask. behind the president now where he's speaking, some people, they started giving out masks quickly to put them on, for the cameras. i mean, i don't know. what do you read into that? you can see, right, they put trump and maga masks on. when the cameras went on they started putting them on. what does this say to you. >> so, we're pretty far along in this pandemic, erin, and the fact that we're having to do these kinds of shenanigans just is a little frustrating. first of all, i would rather have it on than not. i would rather have them on for cameras than not because, again, the symbol of people are wearing masks. but we should just all wear masks. this is not that hard, and it would actually make a big difference and it is disappointing to see that we have to go through this much effort to get the president and
his folks to start wearing masks on a regular basis. >> so, sanjay, according to "the washington post," the white house has a plan to convince the public a vaccine is safe. you're talk about that very issue. it took 70 years to get the public to fully accept a smallpox vaccine and that was before all this completely debunked ridiculous sufficient abo stuff about autism. the plan says, quote, the white house plan would stress to the public that the vaccine went through the rigor as well as seek validation throughout the community and medical journals and for medical professionals with large medical platforms such as cnn's sanjay gupta. what does that even mean that they're playing with stress, the public would have someone like you involved. what does that mean and what would you be able to do? >> i don't know.
no one's reached out to me from the white house. i think they're in part sort of recognizing that there is a trust problem right now, so they want to make sure they have professionals from all the various disciplines and the big medical journals. i think everyone -- this is a pandemic. i think full transparency is key here. everyone should be able to have access to this data that's either authorizing or approving a vaccine. i think it's really important. so, if i were to look at it, if they brought me into the tent and i were to look at it, it would be the same things we've been talking about for months. is there evidence of any of those potential rare side effects that might be magnified as you're giving this to hundreds of millions of people? and does this work? as we've talked about before, half the group gets the vaccine. half the group gets a placebo. in some ways you're counting on a lot of people getting infected to have evidence that the vaccination is working s. that the case? is there enough evidence there?
those are the questions i would want to know. >> part of the reasons there's a confidence issue is not because the president contradicts his scientific advisers constantly, but because that has percolated into the institutions and americans' distrust of these s institutions. the 11 directors from across the nih say you've got to test as many possible. today they put out a statement if you have no symptoms but you think you were in contact with somebody, isolate and get a test. the recent guidance changed because the president doesn't like testing. they now say you don't need to get a test if you're in contact with someone infected. now americans are being told one thing from the cdc, which changed after the president's complaints, and the opposite from the nih. so, what are you supposed to do? >> this is really handicapping our own pandemic response. the scientific community is very clear about the role for testing of asymptomatic individuals,
high-risk individuals like people who have been in contact with someone infected. there's not much scientific discourse. what has happened -- i never thought i would live through this. we have gotten to a point where the cdc and the fda have both be politicized enough that we can't just take their word for it. again, i feel surprised that i'm even saying these words. but that's where we are. so, we do have to really look to other sources. and the nih directors are the leading scientists for our country. they're speaking out because they know there is a credibility gap between what we hear from the leadership of cdc and fda and what the science tells us. >> dr. jha, thank you very much. dr. gupta, thank you. next the white house on defense tonight as trump is said to be visibly distressed over the fallout, the backlash over reports he disparaged americans killed in war. plus new york's governor tonight with a stunning accusation. >> troopers actively trying to
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tonight the president visibly distressed from the fall out from the atlantic report that he called service members suckers and losers. fear it might affect his election. >> those comments are not directed specifically at them as much as it is what we all know what happens in washington, d.c. that comment was more directed at the military industrial complex. >> so, he says it's the military industrial complex that wants wars -- trying to say he didn't say that about the people who run the wars. kaitlan collins is "outfront." you broke the story about trump's state of mind over the atlantic reporting. what more are you learning? he's visibly distressed over the fallout, over how people are responding. >> reporter: yeah, he basically spent the whole weekend talking about the story, denying he had made those comments and touting what he's done for the military.
people said this story really resonated with the president and erin, he was worried it could erode his support with the military. it had been a quiet weekend at the white house until the president decided to hold the press conference yesterday where he made the comment. just as aids thought the story was about to tamp down. he did not think he was getting enough support from leaders at the ilitary. they've been pretty quiet about those allegations except that statement from the defense secretary mark esper who is a top lobbyist. when the president makes that comment, that's when you see mark meadows trying to clarify he wasn't talking about esper given he is someone who is a top lobbyist which is a the connection the president was making there. the question is where does the story go from here, whether or
not the president continues to lean into it. making this comment about the leaders at the pentagon is not a way for the president to try to bolster support with him when they're the ones needs to be coming out defending his record when it comes to the military according to people who worked inside the white house. >> thank you very much kaitlan. secretary esper would be the definition of the complex. michael cruise, senior staff writer at "politico." michael, i want to know -- you're coming to me from davidson, north carolina. you're state, where the president has this rally tonight, is home to more than 100,000 active duty service members, which is the fourth highest in this country. crucial state and the president again there with that crowd tonight. how big of an effect could this reporting that trump made these disparaging remarks, right, losers and suckers about fallen u.s. service members, have in your state? >> the fact that this is even a
question, even a conversation, is a problem potentially for the president. as you alluded to a significant active military population here, particularly out in the eastern half of the state with fort bragg. also nearly 700,000 veterans live here in north carolina. so, if the president is worried about bleeding support from the military portion of the electorate here, it is a problem. he needs to be worried, and he is worried, about bleeding support from the suburbs of charlotte and raleigh. that is the problem for him here. the margins are thin. and if he can't win north carolina, he can't win re-election. the fact we're even talking about military support is a problem. a couple things to keep in mind. this is something that -- and he is trying to explain it away by essentially discrediting the "atlantic" reporting and all the reporting that's confirmed this as well.
but the effort to discredit the reporting is something that is resonating with other people. point you to the western part of the state, madison-hawthorne. when he was asked about this, he says, i just don't believe that. i think that is probably in line with what most of his supporters think at this point. >> which is -- okay. that's a really interesting point. it doesn't matter that the reporting and even the kinds of comments that he made, you know, fox news confirming that that was consistent with comments he made. so, people believe what they want to believe. but the point you just made about the suburbs -- i'm just thinking here coming from new york. you have a lot of people come to places like north carolina and south carolina, maybe some people are going to vote. there are people going move to the suburbs. white suburban women are crucial in your state and president trump targeted that demographic today. tweets joe biden has pledged to
abolish suburban communities which is a drum beat he has been hitting for months. here he is, michael. >> they're going to destroy our suburbs. women and men living in the sush u ushs, they want security and safety. >> suburbia will be no longer as we know it. >> it's a clear message. is it resonating in your state? >> so, yes and no. in my reporting, talking to democrats and independents, women, around where i live here in the suburb of charlotte, what i hear is, no, we are not afraid of angry mobs showing up on our well-manicured lawns. what i do have a sense about is it's not so much a literal fear of that happening. it is a more atmospheric ambient anxiety about the suburbs changing, about frankly more color and more socioeconomic
diversity coming up through charlotte to the northern suburbs and frankly the same thing is at play in raleigh. from my reporting from consultants and pollsters n focus groups they are starting to hear that the question is going to be of course the margins. it is the only thing up for grabs in north carolina, those close in suburbs and those unaffiliated in particular women. if there's any movement away from what the president got in term of support in 2016, it's going to be much, much harder for him to win here in north carolina. this is going to be a slim race. it is the swingingest of swing states in addition, of course, to florida and some others. it is a state he must win and he needs to win in the suburbs. >> all right. michael thank you so much. i think it is fascinating from your reporting what you just said that it is starting from an
ambient point of view to matter. that is hugely significant. i appreciate your time and i thank you. next a stunning accusation from new york's governor about trump. >> he is trying to kill new york city. and a warning tonight from the president's former fixer about what trump will do to win re-election. >> i believe that he would even go so far as to start a war in order to prevent himself from being removed. now, i've got fifty employees. when the pandemic hit, i was really scared about losing my business. but osmar, my financial advisor from northwestern mutual, he told me, brother we got your back. his financial planning helped to save my business. if i could talk to my younger self, i would say, you're going to be proud of yourself.
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tonight the president is, quote, trying to kill new york city. that is the new accusation from new york governor andrew cuomo tonight. >> not only did he tell new york city to drop dead, trump is actively trying to kill new york city. it is personal. i think it's psychological. he is trying to kill new york city. donald trump caused the covid
outbreak in new york. donald trump and his incompetent d.c. and his incompetent nih and his incompetent department of homeland security. >> pretty incredible accusation. sure, the governor of new york is a political operator, but those are incredible things to say. trump sweeting new york state is a mess, no money, high taxes and crime. november 3rd, we can fix it. "outfront" now, how donald trump turned the presidency into a business. and "it's even worse than you think: what the trump administration is doing to america." you have covered the president for more than 30 years. cuomo and he are in a deep psychological dual. you heard cuomo say this is personal for the president. how personal is it for trump? >> oh, i think this is very
personal for trump. donald, remember denounced new york as he declared he was changing his residence to florida. he lost not only new york state but his own voting precinct by a significant margin. and so, it's not surprising that donald wants to distance himself from new york. and of course use new york as code for urban or what's bad, as donald often uses code. >> you just did a new study of the president's wealth, when it comes to this issue of new york, he's right that people are fleeing and that taxing are a problem and crime is a problem. the biggest most important part of the portfolio is new york city real estate. by not bailing out new york, is he going against his own self-interest this time? >> he sure is. this is an interesting question because people often wonder what does donald trump care most about? is it money or power?
he criticizes new york and goes after cuomo because he's a democrat. but if he cares more about money, the best thing he could do for his fortune is to send as much money as possible to new york. he's worth $2.5 billion. 1.2 billion of that is still invested in new york city, despite all the branding and all the golf and all that stuff. new york city real estate assets remains the core of his fortune. >> obviously taking a crushing when it comes to what is happening to real estate in new york. the president said he is going to put new york in play. he's trying to play off of people's fear of crime and urban racial diversity. hillary clinton won new york state by more than 22 points and new york state has not voted for a republican since 1984. that was ronald reagan. do you think trump actually believes he can win new york? >> donald creates his own
reality. if he says something to him that makes it true, it doesn't matter how ludicrous it is. and that's at the of this. donald knows he's going to lose his hometown again. he's going to lose the trump towers again. he's real defensive about this. he's also trying to score points in states where he has a chance of winning by attacking new york and attacking the policies of governor cuomo. and of course he's are very different men, erin. governor cuomo is a very detail-oriented micromanager. donald is the exact opposite of that. >> all right. so, dan, that trump adviser tells cnn, that the president -- you just went through his wealth and numbers -- he has talked about spending as much as $100 million of his own money to spend re-election. i remember all the money got reimbursed by donor money last time. so, when you look at how much money he has and how he spends it, do you think he'll spend
anywhere close to that much on his own re-election. >> no, i don't. in 2016 he was going to pay for his entire election campaign. ended up putting in a lot of money, $66 million, but nowhere near the entire thing. this time so far he hasn't put in a cent. he's got a lot of money, but he's not all that liquid. he has $2.5 billion, that's a cash pile estimated at $160 million. if you were to take $100 million and put that into the campaign, particularly at a time where he's likely to be covering losses for his hotel which is dealing with pandemic stuff, that would really, really strain his business, and i don't see him doing it. >> and there it is. that's where money talks. he may say one thing, but making it pretty clear not the reality. thank you both so very much. i appreciate your time. and next, chaos on election night. what if no winner is declared and it does take weeks and then there are accusations from trump
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the president at his rally in north carolina moments ago sewing doubt about the election results saying, quote, got to be careful with those ballots, watch those ballots. this as trump's former fixer is offering a stark warning about his former boss just eight weeks before election day. >> donald trump will do anything and everything within which to win, and i believe that includes manipulating the ballots. i believe that he would even go so far as to start a war in order to prevent himself from being removed from office. >> pretty incredible accusations. and they come amid growing concern that trump may not leave
office if he loses in november. pamela brown is "outfront." >> reporter: tonight, the final sprint to election day is on. but this year, it's not just campaigning that looks different. already, the incumbent in the white house is laying the groundwork almost daily for chaos, even encouraging voting twice, which is illegal. >> so, let them send it in and let them go vote. and if their system is as good as they say it is, obviously they won't be able to vote. >> reporter: that prompted strong resistance from even republican election officials. >> don't test our board of elections. they're good at this. go ahead and submit your ballot once. >> trump railed on mail-in ballots. >> just sending 80 million ballots all over the country. >> reporter: trump is referring to the nine states plus washington, d.c. that will soon be mailing out ballots to every
registered voter, a change this career in some places in response to the pandemic. the president is undermining mail-in ballot voting in states where it could hurt him and encouraging it in states where it could help him. earlier this year, he admitted why. >> the things they had in there were crazy. they had things, levels of voting, that if you ever agreed to it, you would never have a republican elected in this country again. >> while the president and allies claim without evidence that the increase in mail-in ballots will increase widespread voter fraud. this year's primary more than half a million ballots were reportedly thrown out for simple mistakes such as signatures not matching the state's records, a missing signature, envelope problems and ballots arriving after the deadline. >> you have to go through the process to verify the ballot is legitimate. human beings being human make mistakes. >> reporter: election experts
say one likely scenario is what is known as the blue shift. with trump head winning on election night in the rural states and biden pulling in front winning after election night after mail-in ballots. counting of the ballots don't begin until election day. >> barack obama, 47 years old, donald trump wins the presidency. >> meaning a declared winner on election night is highly unlikely. >> in some swing states, trump is plus 40 among voter who is plan on voting on election day, whose votes will be counted election night, and minus 60 among voters planning to vote absentee or by mail. >> the transition integrity center says if the election count is close, every scenario that is gamed out shows a political crisis and street violence will ensue. >> you have two totally different narratives being promoted by different media ecosystems and people are living
with really different factual understandings of what took place on election day. >> and of course erin, election day is on november 3rd, but in north carolina you can already vote by mail. early voting starts very soon in several key states like pennsylvania. and election experts say just as you would plan ahead to go to the grocery store during a pandemic, you should also plan ahead to vote. if you are voting by mail, read instructions carefully to make sure your ballot counts. >> pamela, thank you so much. i want to bring in now the chair of the house oversight and reform committee, congresswoman carolyn maloney. we just heard pamela brown laying out these election scenarios. that group basically saying that, you know, every single outcome here, because it's going to take a while to count, could end up with street violence. and you don't get a declared winner on election night and you have all kinds of ballots rejected due to error, never
mind fraud. do you think any of this or all of this is likely to happen? >> well, you have to be prepared for everything. so, you have to be prepared. you start by passing my bill that passed the house and the senate that would fully fund the post office so they can perform their duty and it would also stop the harmful steps that postmaster general dejoy took to slow down the mail. a number of states have taken steps to reform or make their processes more clear. the best way is to vote as soon as you possibly can. if it's going to be a mail-in ballot, they're predicting 75% of our population due to the coronavirus will be voting absentee. vote early to make sure the post office has times to stamp it and process it and get it to the board of elections to be counted. >> you mentioned the post office
and the postmaster general. your committee now, i know chairwoman, is watching investigation into louis dejoy following accusations that as a business man he wanted his employees to make political donations to republicans so much so that he would reimburse them. obviously if this occurred it would be at the least appalling. the long term hr director to dejoy's business told "the washington post," quote, louis was a national fund-raiser for the republican party. he asked for money, we gave him money, and rereciprocated by giving big bonuses whchlt trump was asked about the accusations against dejoy, here's what he said yesterday. >> proven to be a campaign finance scheme, do you think he should lose his job? >> yeah, if something can be proven he did something wrong, always. >> do you have any question at this point as to whether he did anything wrong? >> well, that's the purpose of our subpoena. that's the purpose of our
investigation. we issued a subpoena. the documents on the delays are due september 16th. he's already started complying with that. we also wrote a letter to the board of governors that hired him in the first place. personally i don't think he should have been hired in the first place for their vetting process and how this process took place. their documents are due on september 16th and now we're launching a new investigation on the allegations that are very serious and are really felonies if what these former employees are saying are true, it's called straw doning. it's against the law. it's a felony. it's a way to get around your limits as you are limited in what we can give in primaries and generals. and it's a way to really give more and make sure to get there in other ways and it's illegal. >> right. >> conducting investigation on that, we've started that. >> so, when you say, you know, it's a felony -- and i hear your point.
this should have been known before. it should have come up in vetting. and it's your job to find out if it happened. it's a felony. when the white house chief of staff mark meadows was asked about your investigation into dejoy, here's what he said. >> never underestimate congress' ability to ratchet up investigation 60 days out from presidential election. >> so, they're saying you're going after the postmaster general eight weeks before the election, you're the one playing politics. what do you say? >> i would say that the post office should be non-partisan. it should be bipartisan. it's a pillar of our democracy. its enshrined in our constitution. it's beloved by the american people. and he's the one who started the political acts by slowing down the delivery of mail intentionally. we know that from internal documents that we received during our investigation. and my legislation stopped it. and we're in the process of
reversing it and making sure that people get their medications in the mail that they rely on. so, if there's been any politics, i would say appointing a postmaster general whose qualification is a mega donor to president trump and the republican party's held major major positions and fundraising before picking this assignment and his wife is a former ambassador to trinidad and on the list to become the am basketball tore to canada. he's clearly the most political partisan postmaster general and there is also an i.g. investigation taking place now on condpliblkoconflicts of intee national dealings investing in the competitors for the post office. historically, they've always supported the post office. so i'd say -- and i would add i
introduced a bill to bring politics out of the post pamast general's appointment as someone that serves everyone regardless of party it's just -- >> congresswoman. appreciate your time. thank you so much. next, a black man goes out for a jog to exercise and detained by police because they say he fits the description of a burglary. they were wrong and ended up offering him a job. he's "outfront". me the most. [ squawks ] 'cause you're not like everybody else. that's why liberty mutual customizes your car insurance, so you only pay for what you need. what? oh, i said... uh, this is my floor. nooo! only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪
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predominantly white neighborhood, he goes out for a job. officers stop him. they say he matches a description of a suspect in a burglary. quote, a black man with a beard and well, then the man who had just gone for a jog, right, decides to start recording. >> hey, buddy. you're not in any trouble or anything. there is a burglary that happened. you kind of fit the description. let me just sure that you're not him. literally they said white tank top, black shorts and a beard. all right? >> okay. moments later, you can see them handcuffing him. >> for now, i'm going to detain you but you're not under arrest. i'm detaining you right now because you fit the description, oka okay? >> he's handcuffed for 14 minutes and you see him, joseph 2k3wr griffin, the man in that video. appreciate you taking the time. you go out for a jog.
i should note two days after you had a new baby. you're out for a jog trying to get exercise. they pull you aside. you're right by your home. 14 minutes in handcuffs, seventh -- seven patrol cars, your neighbors are watching which must be awful and humiliatinhum. what is going through your head? >> well, just everything. i wasn't initially sure what was going on, so definitely confused. also, a little nervous. and scared honestly. very scared with everything going on in the news today. >> now, i want to play a little bit more of the video that showed what happened that you took. here it is, joseph. >> listen. bear with me, okay. you fit the description, i'm not saying you're guilty. >> i know. >> my sergeant is telling me to detain you. >> i got you. i just had a daughter born two days ago so i have this on live. >> do you mind turning it down
here? >> okay. >> i'll do it for you. for now i'm going to detain you. >> seven cop cars. everything going on is a little scary. >> it was a burglary. it's a burglary. it's serious. it not a joke. we don't know that for sure. see it through us. see it through our eyes. weappreciate you being corporative. >> i'm not trying to get shot over this. [ laughter ] >> so, i mean, look, it's such a real interaction. obviously, it didn't escalate. officers didn't use force. it was tense. you know, you're having to deal with the fact because you're a black guy running down the street, they think that, you know, you're the suspect. i mean, how do you feel you were treated? >> honestly, overall, there were a few things i didn't agree with, but overall, i was okay with the situation. he did a few things such as keeping the live recording for me. actually had another officer hold the camera for me, so that
made me feel a little more safe that my family and friends were watching. and i did understand the fact that they had to do their job but nobody likes being put in cuffs. >> no. i mean, the actual suspect that was described in the affidavit, white colored tank top, black baseball cap, dark-colored shorts and flip-flops. you fit some of that. you have running shoes on. you don't have flip-flops. you're then questioning police in the video about this, right? you went straight to the heart of the matter here about race. here is that exchange. >> so, if i was white i wouldn't have fit the description? >> if the guy was white, a white tank top and black shorts, yes, you would. same thing. wouldn't have changed the story. >> let's avoid that race card because it ain't here. i promise you that. >> did race play a role, do you think, joseph? >> it did because the first part of the description is black
male. so that's always going to be the first part of any description what color you are no, i don't believe they just stopped me because because i'm black. there was a description. the scary thing is witness descriptions are never 100% accurate. to have your future and the life of that not accurate witness description is very scary. >> yeah, again, i want people to understand. you're running in your own neighborhood. this is where you live. this is a predominantly white neighborhood and this happens. so you're cleared, obviously. the sheriff offers you a job and asks you to come in and train the officers. tell me about how that happened. >> yes, the sheriff reached out to me. he did extend a job opportunity to me. i was told him i was happy with my management position in the icu but he offered me the chance to come actually talk with the sheriffs and help train, as far as racial bias training, i
believe. so it's a big opportunity that i think could help change the relationship between policing and a community on both sides. >> yeah. i mean, perhaps something good, you know, can come out of this. i really appreciate your taking the time and congratulations on the baby. the moment of joy you were out taking a brief break from when this happened. thank you so much. >> thank you for having me. >> thanks so much to all of you for joining us. anderson starts now. and good evening. hope you had a good holiday. even in the best of times, the tuesday after labor day is supposed to be when we get more serious. summer unofficially ends, we're back in school and presidential campaigns ramp up and we remember 9/11 and sacrifices volunteers made to keep us safe. this tuesday in what certainly or not the best of times those themes have taken on that much more weight and converging tonight. the president is cam