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thanks to you for joining us tonight. "ac 360" with anderson begins right now. good evening. our top stories tonight are about what happens when facts and science are shoved aside in the name of power and politics. we begin with pictures the president speaking in the second straight indoor campaign event in the last 24 hours or so and as you look at that understand how dangerous it is. not because i'm saying it or the experts are, even the president's own experts are saying it. it's what the president himself has said repeatedly but privately and in no uncertain terms. the president himself from part of his interview with bob woodward you haven't heard before saying coronavirus is a killer. the president knows that. he knows it's a killer and airborne in his words and still, he's holding events like these. tonight in phoenix and last night at a massive rally in henderson, nevada vir trtually only masks were people behind him. the rest went without. jammed together for hours
shouting and screaming. now, perhaps the president's supporters who were there feel like they're just doing what the man they came to see is doing, filming their unmasked noses at political correctness and people worry about a virus. they might think they're in this together with the president but let's be clear, the president isn't taking any great risk in that room. those who actually come in contact with him are tested. he lives in a biological bunker. his security wears masks. everyone is tested around him. last night in las vegas, the president was asked by a local reporter about what you've been seeing. >> he's not concerned because he's on a stage far away from the masses. that's the latest example of his apparent lack of concern for the public as you'll hear on this
latest recording, he told bob woodward what he couldn't tell the public. it took place on the 13th of april. people had already died in this country. this recording follows the one we heard on friday from the 7th of february when 11 were dead and the president told woodward how deadly and contagious woodward was on two separate occasions, language that grew more explicit, president trump made it plane. the country was facing unprecedented and entirely preventable loss of life. what he did not do is tell the country that or signal americans both exception of the biographer he was sucking up to just how serious this was. and nearly 30,000 americans died between those two conversations. as he was private recalling the virus a killer, here is what he said that very same week. >> we're very close to completing the plan to open our country. hopefully, even ahead of schedule. had the w.h.o. done its job to
get medical experts into china to objectively assess the situation on the ground and to call out china's lack of transparency, the outbreak could have been contained at its source with very little death. we have beautiful pieces, beautiful states with capable governors. they know when it's time to open. we have to get our sports back. i'm tired of watching baseball games that are 14 years old. many of them will be starting without the pafans, so it will made for television. the good old days. you'll see quite a few states starting to open. they have cabin fever. they want to get back. they want their life back. their life was taken away from them. does it remind you of something? it reminds you of this, right? one is a swab, one is a q tip. it's actually different. it's very sophisticated, actually. >> that's what he said instead of telling americans the plain truth which he knew but those who listened and believed him.
think about that when you play the new recording and all those people you see there in that room tonight with the faith in the president and there is nothing unusual and wrong. the leader knowingly and fragrantly violates that and comes to you in human lives. and the president continues to act as though what he told bob woodward about the virus, first in february the month that many refer to as the lost month because the president wasn't in the forefront of doing anything about the virus at that point, and then as you'll hear in mid april, somehow no longer applies as if facts and science and objective reality no longer apply. except as administration defines it. it's exactly the kind of future that secretary of state mike pompeo warned about just today in a kind of ironic statement honoring tomorrow's international day of democracy
quoting from the statement, authoritarians of every stripe meanwhile remain true to form. their first priority is not public health but the protection of their own power. they refuse to answer hard questions. their proclamation continues. people suffer when their leaders are accountable only to themselves or the parties they control. joining us now with the latest trump woodward audio, jamie. the president was telling bob woodward back in april that the virus is a killer. what more did he say? >> so woodward's book, anderson, and these audio tapes show an on going pattern by trump of misleading and playing down covid to the public as you said while privately telling woodward how dangerous the virus was. and it wasn't just the february call or the march call. on april 5th, before we get to our audio, trump tells woodward it's a horrible thing. it's unbelievable.
and then a week later on april 13th, he tells woodward this. >> this thing is a killer if it gets you. if you're the wrong person, you don't have a chance. >> yes, yes, exactly. >> now this is the skrorg. >> the plague. >> and anderson, that's just the beginning. i know tomorrow night you're going to have bob woodward live for the hour. there will be more of that tape. you're going to hear much more of trump in his own words behind the scenes, which is like we've never heard him before. >> and talk about what the president was also telling woodward last month about his overall response to the virus. >> so, just as a reminder, this was on august 14th. more than 168,000 americans have died from the virus on that day and trump calls woodward because
he knows the book is done. and he's fishing. he's trying to figure out. trump talks about the stock market. the book is tough and that the focus is the virus. >> it's going to be a contest between you and biden. it's going to be a contest between both of you and the virus. the virus is -- because it's in real people's lives, you know, all those tens of millions of people who don't have jobs, who don't have -- >> i know. >> listen, i mean, you and i -- >> nothing more could have been done. nothing more could have been done. i acted early. i acted early. >> so, we know that's not true, anderson.
so much more could have been done. just what is stunning here is here we are a month later, today is september 14th. that was a month ago. he's still doing the opposite of a responsible public health plan. we still don't have adequate testing and tracing. he had those indoor rallies, those pictures you showed with thousands of people without masks or social distancing and as woodward describes in his book, we still have a failure of leadership. 1,000 americans are still dying every day. i think it's fair to say much more could be done. >> yeah, and winter is coming. thanks for much. appreciate it. carl bernstein. and dana bash. this is a killer if it gets you. i mean, he knew how deadly it was. he continued to down play the virus to the american people and is back to having indoor
rallies. it's -- it defies understanding. i mean, just defies any sense of responsibility. >> i've given up trying to figure out how to articulate what you were trying to do, anderson. the key point what bob woodward reports in his book isn't ancient history where he's saying, you know, just even last month, there is nothing more i could have done. more could have been done as we speak. he doesn't have to hold a rally like that. do it outside. have people wear masks. this is happening right now. so this isn't history. this is contemporaneous and he could be changing it but he doesn't want to and he is
forcing these events to continue knowing so full well how dangerous it is for his own supporters. >> yeah, but not for him because as he says he's on a stage and he's far away from them. carl, i mean, you hear the president's comments to woodward and see the june indoor rally in tulsa and henderson and round table in phoenix. it looks like an indoor rally. he's knowingly putting people's lives at steak. >> let's be hear. you're witnessing a homicidal president with a homicidal assembly to help him get reelected as president of the united states inshred tead of protecting the health and welfare of the united states including supporters whose lives he's willing to sacrifice. here is this president who staked part of his presidency on the right to life particularly
of the unborn and every day he's sacrificed the lives of thousands of americans because he is unwilling to deal honestly, forthrightly meani meaningfully with the crisis in our post war history in this country. he's advocated responsibility and result is the most grievous by any president in history and we see him in front of us tonight the homicidal called supporters to be sacrificial lambs. it's astonishing. >> dana, he's not twisting anybody's arm. people are choosing to go. on the one hand, part of me thinks people feel like, you know, they want to be in the same room with the president, obviously, and they feel like
they're, you know, they're part of what he's part of and part of a movement that's thumbing their nose at science and those doctors and political correctness. the president is in a biological bunker that moves wherever he is. it's kind of a false illusion that, you know, they're all in the same boat and braving the virus together. >> you're exactly right. the tale from the president when he said just even just wearing the bubble could be burst at any time in that moment but generally speaking, he is protected and one of the things jamie brought us in some of the excerpts from bob woodward's
book is the fact that the president understanding that. first of all, he is a germaphobe and talks about being in meetings in the white house when somebody sneezes and he gets up and leaves the room. he is very in tune -- >> he told that reporter he's worried about her being too close. he's worried it looked like she was, you know, a descent distan distance. let's look at it. she seems to be a descent distance away. >> are you concerned about being in a closed space? >> no, i'm not concerned. >> i'm conce-- she's more than feet away probably or more than six feet away because that's how it was set up. he's freaked out. part of it he's kidding but not
really. he's looking around saying, you know, i'm a little concerned how close you are. he's concerned about that where there is a room full of people beyond that curtain who are shoulder to shoulder patting each other on the back and talking to each other's faces. >> that's exactly right. and as we know now from the scientists who worked for the president who worked for the government that masks are important for several reasons. the first reason is because it protects other people from the virus if you have it. so that was going on there. before coming on with you, i was trying to get a sense from people that know the president well why he won'continues to dos given what we've discuss. i've got one response that says flatly narcissim. that's who he is. whether or not it will actually have a politically damaging effect, the answer was we'll see how many people get sick. certainly people got sick in tulsa and he stopped for a little while during the summer
but now he's back at it. >> carl, i'm wondering what you thought when you heard the president say nothing more could have been done to bob woodward in the last "60 minutes" interview. he said it almost took his breath away. >> it's another pathological lie from the president of the united states who is a pathological liar that indeed, his own scientists, dr. fauci, others have made it very clear his negligence is what has defined this crisis for us. it is the negligence of the president of the united states looking for half measures instead of the powers of the federal glove, tovernment, the of the president of the united states to mobilize this country and steps to be taken to ensure public health policies that would have enabled people to understand that the president of the united states wants us to
wear masks. wants us to have social distancing. wants us to close down those places that are unhealltunhealt. he's done the opposite. he sought time and time again to put his view of the economy, which is to say the stock market and his reelection chances above the public health concern that all of his chief public health advisors. another thing that's in bob's book is what the chief public healthed advisors were telling m to don't he's done opposite. >> yeah. >> and he endangered the lives of millions of americans and thousands and thousands are dead because of this negligence and refusal to acknowledge science. >> yeah, and of course, sidelining the scientists. dana, carl, thank you. bob woodward tomorrow joins me for the hour. we'll be playing new audio from his interviews and talk about the making of his new book "rage" and assessment at the
end. first, that donald trump is in his words the wrong man for the job. bob woodward, same time, same place here. another case of politics trumping public health. the spokesman who reportedly pushed to make cdc covid data fit the narrative attacking government scientists, even accusing them of sedition and on the subject of politics versus science with the west coast burning up and the los angeles mayor saying quote i don't think science knows, actually. that's what the president said. actually, it does.
more breaking news, the top spokesperson for health and human service said he accused government scientists of sedition to the coronavirus. officials at hhs pushed to change language in weekly cdc bulletins and that caputo, the assistant secretary for public affairs demanded to see doxme documents before released. joining us now, two former officials former direct tore thomas freeden and acting director dr. richard besser. is this the kind of person that
should be influencing what americans hear from hhs and cdc right now? is this how the press office is supposed to work? >> well, one of the most important documents that comes out of cdc every week is called the mmwr, morbidity weekly report. the idea that there would be political efforts to change this journal, this important means of communication really unit eunde trust in public health and hearing this is another example of where politics is interfering with the path public health is laying out for us to successfully manage this pan de pandemic and get the economy up and running. >> what kind of an impact does the spokesperson for hhs accusing scientists, government scientists of sedition and
floating unproven conspiracies, i mean, it has the potential, i imagine of having some sort of a chilling effect on everybody who works at, you know, all the arms of the hhs. >> well, fundamentally here, the enemy is a virus, and the virus doesn't respond to spin. it responds to science-driven action. what we're seeing is an attempt to meddle with science and the somewhat bizarre comments that stating scientific truths is in someway politically motivated. one of the things that's interesting is that despite this enormous and inappropriate pressure, the scientists at the cdc continued to put out excellent information as recently as last week. as dr. besser mentioned, this is widely respected and copied by
public health organizations around the world. last week they put out a bulletin with a very rigorous scientific analysis of spread of covid from child care proving that it spread within the child care to the parents, at least one parent hospitalized and recommending that contacts of people with covid get tested. despite this enormous pressure, the folks at the cdc are continuing to do their best to provide good science and the overwhelming majority continues to be the best place to go for information on covid. it under lines faith in the cdc and makes it much harder for us to get on the same page and stop the virus. >> dr. besser, we have seen instances of cdc caving into pressure by the president, you know, changing guidelines or
weakening guidelines once the president says they are too strong for schools to follow, too expensive. we've seen obviously fda, you know, backtracking on denying an emergency authorization use on plasma and then making the head of the fda making a statement that then had to be walked back and apol guisogized for it. we've seen an alarming relationship with scientists that are, you know, just want to focus on science. they're now -- i mean, in many people's eyes they are damaged. >> one of the most important powers that fda and cdc have is trust, trust by the american public everything they do is based on the best available public health science. this fall as vaccine trials continue and as those results will be coming in, it's critically important that people have faith that any kind of decision coming out of fda in
terms of approval is based on good science and any recommendations in terms of who should get vaccines by cdc is based on good science because you can have a vaccine that's highly effective but if no one is willing to get it because they lack trust in the science, you're not going to be able to save lives. as i talked to former colleagues at cdc, you know, they have their head down. they are doing the work. they are doing hard science. in terms of the impact on moral, it's devastating to feel that they don't have the protection from on top that their political leaders who are trying to undermine the hard work they are doing to keep people here safe and to help us get through this. >> doctor, are you concerned that administration officials maybe editing scientific findings? why would that matter? explain why. >> we've seen a few things dictated in washington and put on the cdc website.
that's really dangerous. it undermines trust in cdc and trust in the recommendations. that has far reaching implications for are we able to control this i vvirus. there is not a question of opposition politically. there are scientific facts. if the administration wants to say kids don't spread the disease, it's wrong. so it's not insubordinate for the cdc to say that, it's being responsible to science. it being true to what their responsibility is to the american people. that's what people at cdc are doing and unfortunate we're seeing not along those lines in washington. >> dr. besser, what happens now? ballooning the vaccine and trust in the vaccine, which is already low according to polls. i mean, why wouldn't
administration try to fast track it to the extent of, you know, to have it done before an election or for political purposes? >> you know, it is so important that we all speak up and speak out about the importance of our public health agencies being separate from the political influence that we're seeing because you're right, anderson. if that doesn't happen, the faith in any vaccine that comes forward or new drug treatments or control strategies is under cut. it's the worst public health crisis in our lives. we see around the globe countries successfully getting this under control and getting people back to work and public health knows the path to get there. we're not doing that. this disconnect between the political conversation and the public health conversation we can't allow that to continue. we have to come together as a nation across party lines and get this done. i mean, if we don't do that, the same populations that have been hit the hardest, communities of
color, lower income americans will continue to get devastated by this pandemic. >> yeah. dr. tom frieden, appreciate it. thank you very much. when we return, the latest on the wildfires in western states and my conversation with eric garcetti about the destruction and response to the president's comments in california denying the fires have anything to do with climate change. new advil dual action
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concern and air monitoring group said today three cities, portland, seattle and san francisco have some of the worst air quality of any big cities in the world. the epa's air quality index tracker says large swaths of oregon and washington state are experiencing hazardous air quality. kyung law has more. >> reporter: reinforcements in the eight-day battle of the bobcat fire. choppers are in the air pounding the steep hillsides aided by planes dropping fire retardant helping exhausted ground crews in the hills. >> as you can see, it's so steep it's challenging to get firefighters on the hill. we rely on aircraft to put it out or slow it down to implement tactics to keep it from growing. >> reporter: this is one fire of nearly 100 deadly wildfires burning in the west from california to oregon. >> oh my god. >> reporter: half a million of oregon's resident haves been warned they may need to evacuate. entire neighborhoods and lives
already lost. among them, 13-year-old wyatt of lions who died while trying to get his 71-year-old grandmother out of a fire. those who made it out describe the horror of their escape. >> this is the worst experience. scar scary. >> reporter: more than 5 million acres across the west have burned including the state of washington. the state commissioner visiting the small town was overcome by the loss. >> i wake up in the morning just praying. pray that we will not lose one firefighter's life. one citizen's life. one home. one community. it is a horrible feeling when you are basing so much on prayer. >> reporter: the worst part say firefighters, the height of fire
season is still weeks away. are you worried about the fire, everybody you work with, what they will look like in november? >> absolutely. we can see similar or worse conditions later in the year as the fuels and trees continue to dry out. >> i mean, yeah, there is still so much ahead, weeks and months. firefighters got to be exhausted. there is word in oregon nearly two dozen people unaccounted for. >> reporter: yeah, that news in oregon is absolutely devastating, anderson because the expectation is that the death toll could rise. the hope was that it would not as far as what firefighters are feeling here, they are stretched incredibly thin. they are working 12-shohour shi. they are encouraged by signs like this, the air helicopters are still flying. that mother nature now is cooperating but, you know, it's going to be night soon.
they can fly partially at night. it does become much more dangerous, anderson, and these hills as you saw are extremely rug g rugged. i spoke with the mayor of los angeles, eric garcetti about the devastation caused by the fires and president trump's comments about the fires and climate change. thanks for joining us. sorry it's under these circumstanc circumstances. how is the city? how is your state doing? >> we're hanging in there. we're a strong and resilient city and state and overwhelmed with the love and support by folks in this country and around the world who can see our state burning, the west coast burning, who loved california from yosemite to the central valley that feeds the people of this country to hollywood that produces what we're watching in a pandemic. we've been really overwhelmed by the support from everybody but these are very, very tough days on top of a pandemic and a
downturn to see our state burn and feel that in our lungs. we'll save lives and protect people and do harder work of making sure this doesn't become the new normal. that we confront the underlying causes of this deep down. >> to that point. the president today denying that wildfires have anything to do with climate change saying on the ground in california, i don't think science knows actually, he's talking about climate change and that it's going to start getting cooler. you just watch. i wonder what your reaction to that was. >> it's astounding. these are the bare sicsics of leadership. respond to a fire. tell the truth. support troops. deal with the pandemic. he seems to often just get it wrong. get it wrong on the science and the idea of saying i don't think science knows is like turning back 2,000 years of human progress and saying the truth doesn't know. we know what is causing this. there is consensus there and he is kind of one of the last members of the flat earth society but, you know, denial doesn't work when it comes to covid. denial doesn't work when it
comes to climate and the cost of denial is that people lose their lives. and their livelihood. so i would hope that even in these moments when by the way, our federal agencies do step up and do help us and do know that we need their assistance but instead, the leader at the very top continues based on the electoral map to either, you know, put down california for not raking enough. doesn't say anything like that in a swing state. in the gulf coast doesn't assign the blame for hurricanes or anything that they have done. it seems partisan at a moment we should be non-political and we should be finding our common ground in america. it's very disappointing. >> obviously, backed to the climate accord and rolled back epa regulations. which he refers to himself as a great environmentalists. how do you come to erm tterms o asking for assistance and this is the leader of the country denying science and ignoring data. >> america is made up of more
than one person when that person is the most powerful in the united states. i found climate mayors when president trump said he'll withdraw from paris, we got on the phone and talked to republican mayors and independent mayors and democratic mayors. 500 of us in 48 states said if he's out, we're in. we're on the front lines. don't take it from politician. talk to a firefighter. ask him or ask her if climate change is real. we've lost a brother or a sister on the fire line. there is no doubt that this is the reality of our life and i think the first responsibility of an elected official, public servant is to safeguard lives and if you can't step up for that, you're not ready for this job or well suited for this job. it's like there is two americas right now. one in which people bury their heads, ignore the science, don't tell the truth and say everything is going to be okay whether fires or covid and another people are struggling to pay the bills, are fighting fires around their homes, are trying to heal their sick
relatives and unfortunately, the first one is the fantasy of donald trump. the second is the reality of life with donald trump. >> i want to ask you about the two l.a. sheriff's deputies, 24-year-old man, 31-year-old mother ambushed shot while in their car over the weekend in compton. i understand both are out of surgery. do you know how they're doing, where the search stands for their assailanassailant? >> guardians on a public transit line cowardly attempted assassination. there is no other way to put it are amazing. they stepped up. let me tell you briefly, the female deputy after getting shot, both of them four or five times, her with a broken jaw stepped out and gave a tourniquet to the fellow deputy shot in the head saved his life while calling for help thanks to the prayers, it looks like they will both live which is an absolute miracle. there is no room in our society
for the violence we saw. blessed be the peace keepers. we have a really important discussion do have in this country about public safety and us all owning this. this is not an issue that should be politicized. these are two brave individuals that put their lives on the line who somebody tried to kill. we have to make sure that person is brought to justice and that these folks who have a long recovery will you be live thankfully can once again reenter protecting all of us and our society. >> mayor garcetti, appreciate your time. thank you. >> thank you, anderson. >> in a moment we'll talk more about the shooting, the surveillance video of the attack which is disturbing. perspective from two police department veterans including one former member of the lapd about the atmosphere at which this happened and the large award that could lead to a suspect and conviction when that continues. lead to severe vision so the national eye institute did 20 years of clinical studies on a formula only found in preservision. if it were my vision, i'd ask my doctor about preservision. it's the most studied eye vitamin brand.
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mr. hardesty: but we all have to be safe. ms. robinson: because we're all in this together. narrator: making our school buildings safer. ms. robinson: working together, we can make it a great year. narrator: because the california teachers association knows quality public schools make a better california for all of us. prior to the break you saw my interview with mayor eric garcetti about the deputies shot on saturday night. he says it appears both will live. a reward of $100,000 is being offered in return for information that leads to the arrest of the shooter. the two deputies, a 31-year-old mom and 24-year-old man were in their car when the shooter approached the passenger side, raised a pistol, shot and ran away. the female deputy after getting shot four or five times with a broken jaw was able to step out,
call for help and apply a tourniquet to her fellow deputy shot in the head, as well, possibly saving his life. as of sunday, the l.a. county sheriff said both are expected to recover. long term impact of course of their health unknown. joining us is charles ramsey, former police commissioner in philadelphia and police chief in washington d.c. cheryl dorsey is a retired l. l.a.p.d. suergeant. sergeant dorsey, you're a 20-year veteran with the police department and grew up in south central. you know the area. what was your reaction when you heard about and saw this shooting? >> my first reaction, let me say this first. let me offer my sympathies to the l.a. county sheriff's department and i don't condone violence by the police or against the police. when i saw this, my first reaction is sadness. there is a lot of chatter on social media about an eye for an eye. we know there are reports of internal gangs within the compton sheriff department
particularly. they refer to themselves as the executioner. i wonder if this isn't retaliation for the failure to hold officers accountable not only in the compton sheriff's department but nationally when we see instances of officers using deadly force as a first resort rather than a last resort. >> chief ramsey, what is going through your mind tonight as you think of the deputies and families and colleagues? >> i mean, i wish the best for the deputies and their families, obviously. there is absolutely no excuse for that kind of action taking place. it's despicable. it's cowardly and all those things that people have said. listen, violence is wrong no matter who commits that violence. what you saw today reminded me of the assassination of two new york city officers just a couple years ago. again, another cowardly act that was committed by an individual and there is just no just justification for it. i don't care if it's police reform or anything that has to do with police. taking another person's life
like that and ambush is uncalled for. >> the sheriff offered $100,000 reward for information. the fbi offered resources. how confident are you they will find the shooter? >> i don't know if the money offered will have much to do with finding the shooter. i absolutely believe eventually this person will be identified because of witnesses, because of surveillance and other video that may be gleaned from the area and all of the resources that the sheriff's department will bring to bear to help identify and locate this individual. >> chief ramsey, i mean, how do you view this in the context of, you know, the protests that we've seen, the, obviously, you know, tensions are high. lines are divided. how does this affect things? >> this has nothing to do with the legitimate call for police reform. this is an individual, a criminal, a killer is what you were looking at.
i hope that your viewers and anyone else who sees this or hears about it doesn't confuse the actions of this person with people who are legitimately trying to change the system. because there is no comparison at all. this is a criminal. a thug. he needs to be apprehended and spend the rest of his life in prison. in philly we do $20,000 rewards for anyone with information on homicides. it helps, it keeps the information going in the community. >> how widespread do you think the knowledge is of who is involved in this shooting. ? a situation like this, in post action reports, what is usu usually -- how widespread is the circle of people that would know the shooter?
>> there's no way to know. there's an assumption that somehow this person is from the community. we don't know that to be true. this could be a distraction from the real problem, the angst that the black and brown community has in south central. with the police. while this happened in compton. we don't know if this person nor the ones that showed up in the hospital with total disregard for those that were under care there shouting things in a were contrary to them getting better. listen, let's not pretend there's a reason why folks are upset. the fish rots from the head, i'm talking about the president, and it would be nice if he had the same sort of commitment and
justice for those people that committed this crime. >> it gets caught up in politics, it's used by different groups for different reasons, the president being one of them. >> we had people out here doing crazy stuff, killing each other and so forth opinion you got some violent people out here in the world, period. they will kill at the drop of a hat. people need to come to an understanding, there are people that are incredibly violent need to be taken off the streets. what you saw in that video is an example of one of those people. there's no excuse whatsoever for what that individual did, it had nothing to do with politics. not just a thug would have gone who tried to commit murder. thank god those two officers are going to live, what's the long term impact it's going to have on them, physically and psychologically. all this violence has to end period, no matter who commits it, it has to end. >> appreciate your time.
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expected. tom seder is in the weather center for us tonight. >> that's a good question, we're looking at this system, about 130 miles offshore from biloxi, it's been intensifying, and slowing down. as we expected. but there's not many hurricanes where we can say everything is in play. we're not exactly sure where or when this will make landfall. the warnings remain the same for louisiana, they extended them now over to the east of pensacola. with it stalling so much, it has lost all steering currents. i think it looks better for new orleans now. but it's worse now for areas such as biloxi or gulfport or even mobile. the national hurricane center places it around pass cagoula which means it will be to the east. last night we thought we would have landfall after the midnight hour tonight. now it could be into the
midnight hour tomorrow or into wednesday. this puts a surge on mobile and mobile bay. >> it's interesting by slowing down it makes it less precise the ability to where it's going to go? >> another thing too. it makes the surge worse, because a lot of times we have these hurricanes move in, when the center moves on shore, you have a bad surge for another 7, 9, 10, 12 hours. this surge could go on for over 24. each passing hour, it moves more and more inland. what it's going to do is impede the rain that's falling from the sky to move back offshore and to the gulf. everything is going to build up. winds are not strong right now, we have ocean waves out in the buoys right now, reporting over 21 feet. we have a 7 to 11 foot storm surge. pascagoula into st. bernard parish. you get around ocean springs, biloxi and gulfport as well.
mobile bay where you're looking at a good 9 to 6 feet. a swath of 6 to 10, all the way into atlanta and the carolinas, you get into this area with the surge. it's going to start to collect a good 10, 20, maybe 24 inches of rain, this could be catastrophic flooding. >> thanks, we'll keep watching it. thank you, anderson, happy monday, a lot of unhappy things going on. let's get after it, i'm chris cuomo welcome to prime time. we are 50 days out from this election, and we're stuck in an idnwtf cycle. nothing makes sense, we seem confused and divided on the most rudimentary divided things. how can the country seem to be in this state? then a wtf happens that we believe can't be seen as anything like it is,ik