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just how dangerous it is. not because i'm saying it or the experts are, even the president's own experts are saying it. it's what the president, himself, has said repeatedly, but privately and in no uncertain terms. as you will hear in a moment, from a part of the interview with bob woodward you haven't heard before, saying coronavirus is, quote, a killer. so the president knows that he knows it's a killer. it's airborne, in his words. and still, he is holding events like these. tonight, in phoenix. and last night, in henderson, nevada. virtually, the only masks were on the people on camera behind him. the rest went without. jammed together for hours shouting and screaming. perhaps, the president's supporters who were there feel like they're just doing what the man they came to see was doing. thumbing their noses at political correctness and people worried about a virus. but let's be clear. the president isn't taking nany great risk in that room. those who actually come in contact with him are tested.
his security wears masks. everyone's tested around him. and last night at his rally in las vegas, the president was asked by a local reporter about what you've been seeing. >> aren't you concerned about getting covid, though? >> no, i'm not concerned. i'm more concerned about how close you are. because you know why? >> uh-huh. >> i'm on a stage. it's very far away. and so, i'm not, at all, concerned. >> he's not concerned because he's on a stage, far away from those huddled masses yearning to breathe free. that's just the latest example of his apparent lack of concern for the public, as you will hear on this latest recording. he told bob woodward what he wouldn't tell the public. the conversation took maplace o the 13th of april. by then, 29,240 people had already died in this country. and this recording following the one we heard on friday, from the 7th of february, when only 11 were dead, in which the president also told woodward how deadly and contagious covid was. which means, on two separate occasions, more than two months apart, in language that only grew more explicit over time,
president trump made it plain. country was facing almost unprecedented but also entirely preventable loss of life. what he did not do is tell the country that, or signal americans with the exception of the biographer he was sucking up to, just how serious this was. and nearly 30,000 americans died, between those two conversations. as he was privately calling the virus a killer, here's what he was saying that very same week. >> we're very close to completing a plan to open our country. hopefully, even ahead of schedule. >> had the w.h.o. done its job to get medical experts into china to objectively assess the situation on the ground, and to call out china's lack of transparency. the outbreak could have been contained at its source, with very little death. we have beautiful pieces, beautiful states, with capable governors. they know when it's time to open. we have to get our sports back. i'm tired of watching baseball
games that are 14 years old. many of them are going to be starting without the fans. so it'll be made for television. the good, old days. made for television. i think you are going to start to see quite a few states open. they want their life back. their life was taken away from them. does it remind you of something? reminds you of this, right? one's a swab. one's a q tip. it's actually different. it's very sophisticated, actually. >> that's what he was saying, instead of telling americans the plain truth, which he knew. but to those who listened to him and believed him did not know. think about that when we play the new recording. and think about this. and think about all those people you see there, in that room, tonight. who put their faith in the president. they trust what he says and there's nothing unusual or wrong about that. what is unusual, what is wrong, is when a leader knowingly and fl flagrantly violates that trust. 200,000 americans now, many of whom supported him, are now dead
and the president continues to act as though what he told woodward about the virus, first, in february. the month many refer to as the lost month because the president wasn't in the forefront of doing anything about the virus, at that point. and then, as you will hear in mid-april, somehow, no longer applies as if facts and science and objective reality, no longer apply. except, as the administration defines it. it's exactly the kind of orwellian future secretary of state mike pompeo actually warned about, just today, in a kind of ironic statement honoring tomorrow's international day of democracy. quoting, now, from the statement. authoritarians of every stripe remain true to form. their first priority is not public health but the protection of their own power. they refuse to answer hard questions. their proclamation continues. people suffer when their leaders are accountable, only to themselves or to the parties they control. joining us, now, with the latest
trump woodward audio, jamie gangel. so, jamie, the president was telling woodward, back in april, that the virus is a killer. what more did he say? >> so, woodward's book, anderson, and these audio tapes, show an ongoing pattern, by trump, of misleading and playing down covid to the public, as you said. while, privately, telling woodward how dangerous the virus was. and it wasn't just the february call or the march call. on april 5th, before we get to our audio, trump tells woodward it's a horrible thing. it's unbelievable. and then, a week later, on april 13th, he tells woodward this. >> this thing is a killer if it gets you. if you're the wrong person, you don't have a chance. >> yes. yes, exactly. monster. this is a scourge. >> the plague. >> and, anderson, that's just the beginning.
i know tomorrow night, you're going to have bob woodward on, live, with you for the whole hour. there will be more of that tape. and you're going to hear much more of trump, in his own words, behind the scenes. which is like we've never heard him, before. >> and talk about what the president was also telling woodward just last month about his overall response to the virus. >> so, just as a reminder, this was on august 14th. more than 168,000 americans have died from the virus, on that day. and trump calls woodward because he knows the book is done. and he's fishing. he's trying to figure out how he's portrayed. trump keeps boasting about the stock market. but as you'll hear in this audiotape, woodward tells him, blu bluntly, the book is tough. and that the focus is the virus. >> it's going to be a contest
between you and biden. it's -- it's going to be a contest between both of you and the virus. the virus is -- because it's in real people's lives, you know, all those tens of millions of people who don't have jobs, who don't have -- >> i know. >> -- listen. i mean, you and i -- >> nothing more could've been done. nothing more could've been done. i acted early. acted early. >> so, we know that's not true, anderson. so much more could have been done, and just what's stunning, here, is here we are, a month later. today is september 14th. that was a month ago. and he is, still, doing the opposite of a responsible, public health plan. we still don't have adequate testing and tracing. he had those indoor rallies, those pictures you showed, with thousands of people without masks or social distancing. and as woodward describes in his book, we still have a failure of
leadership. a thousand americans are, still, dying every day. i think it's fair to say much more could be done. >> yeah. and, you know, wirnter is comin. jamie gangel, thanks very much. appreciate it. perspective now from carl bernstein. also, cnn chief political correspondent, dana bash. dana, the president saying this thing is a killer if it gets you. i mean, he knew how deadly it was. he continued to downplay the virus to the american people. and is back to having indoor rallies. it's -- i -- it defies understanding. i mean, it just defies any sense of responsibility. >> i have given up trying to figure out how to articulate exactly what you were just trying to do, anderson. and the really key point is that what jamie just showed, what bob woodward reports in his book, isn't ancient history.
it's happening, as we speak. literally, as we speak, in arizona. where he is saying, you know, just even last month, there's nothing i could've done. no more could've been done. more could be done, as we speak. he could be not holding a rally like that. or even if he wants to hold a political event, do it outside. have people wear masks. this is happening, right now. so this isn't -- this isn't history. this is contemporaneous. and he could be changing it but he doesn't want to. and he is forcing these events to continue, even knowing so full well, how dangerous it is for his own supporters. >> yeah. but not for him because, as he says, he's on a stage and he's far away from -- from them. carl, i mean, you hear the president's comments to woodward. and then, you see-l the june indoor rally in tulsa. henderson, last night. now, this roundtable in phoenix.
i mean, it sure looks like an indoor rally. he's knowingly putting people's lives at stake. >> that's right. let's be very clear what we're looking at here. we are witnessing a homicidal president convening, purposely, a homicidal assembly to help him get re-elected as president of the united states, instead of protecting the health and welfare of the people of the united states, including his own supporters, whose lives he is willing to sacrifice. here is this president, who has staked part of his presidency on the right to life, particularly of the unborn. and, every day, he has sacrificed the lives of thousands of americans because he is unwilling to deal honestly, forthrightly, meaningfully, with the gravest domestic crisis in our postwar history in this country. he has abdicated his responsibility. and the result is the most grievous felony committed by any
president, in our history probably. and now, we see it, in front of us, tonight. this homicidal assembly that the president of the united states has called his supporters to be sacrificial lambs. it's astonishing. >> dana, and yet, i mean, you know, people are free to go or not go. he's not twisting anybody's arm. people are -- are choosing to -- to go. >> uh-huh. >> you know, i -- on the one hand, part of me thinks people feel like, you know, they want to be in the same room with the president, obviously. and -- and they feel like they're -- you know, they're part of what he's part of and part of a movement that's thumbing their nose at, you know, science and those doctors and -- and, you know, political correctness. but they're actually, really, not all in the same room. i mean, the president is in a biological bunker that moves wherever he is. it's -- it's kind of a false -- it's an illusion, that, you know, they're all in the same boat. they're -- they're braving the virus together.
>> you're exactly right. and the tell from the president was what he said to the local reporter in las vegas. about just even being that close to that reporter, who was wearing a mask. the president realized that that biological bubble, as you describe it, could be burst, at any time, in that moment. but generally speaking, he is protected. and one of the things that jamie has brought us, in some of the excerpts from bob woodward's book, the audiotapes especially, is the fact that the president understands that. first of all, he is a germophobe. he's a well-known germophobe. has been, his whole adult life. maybe, even before that. but he talks about being in meetings in the white house when somebody sneezes and he gets up and leaves the room. so he is very, very attune to it. >> yeah. he told that reporter, you know, what he is worried about is her being too close. if he's worried about -- i mean,
it looked like she was, you know -- you know, a decent distance. let's look at it. i mean, she seems to be a decent distance away. let's just listen to the sound, again. >> uh-huh. >> aren't you concerned about getting covid, though? >> no, i'm not concerned. i'm more concerned about how close you are. because you know why? i'm on a stage that's very far away. and so, i'm not, at all, concerned. >> so she's more than six feet away, probably. or at least six feet away because that's how it was set up. he's freaked out. i mean, part of it is kidding. but -- but not really. i mean, he's looking around saying, you know, i'm a little concerned about how close you are. he's concerned about that. whereas, there's a room full of people, beyond that curtain, who are shoulder to shoulder, patting each other on the back and talking to each other's faces. >> no. that's exactly right. and -- and as we know, now, from the scientists who work for the president, who work for the government, that masks are important. for several reasons.
the first reason is because it protects other people from the virus, if you have it. so that was going on there. anderson, before coming on with you, i was trying to get a sense, from people who know the president well, why he continues to do this. given all what we just discussed. and i got one response back that said, flatly, narcissism. that's just who he is. and whether or not it will actually have a political -- a politically damaging effect, the answer was, we'll see how many people get sick. certainly, people got sick in tulsa and he stopped, for a little while, during the summer. but now, he's back at it. >> carl, i mean, i'm wondering what you thought when you heard the president say that nothing more could have been done to bob woodward. you know, in his last, you know, "60 minutes" interview last night, said it almost took his breath away when he heard the president say that. >> it's another pathological lie from a president of the united states, who is demonstrably a
pathological liar. that, indeed, his own scientists, dr. fauci, others, have made it very clear, his negligence is what has defined this crisis for us. it is the negligence of the president of the united states looking for half measures, instead of the powers of the federal government. the powers of the presidents. the enormous powers of the president of the united states to mobilize this country, and order steps to be taken to ensure the public-health policies, that would have enabled people to be -- understand that the president of the united states wants us to wear masks. wants us to have social distancing. wants us to close down those places that are unhealthy. he's done the opposite. he has sought, time and time again, to put his view of the economy, which is to say the stock market, and his re-election chances, above the public-health concern. that all of his chief, public health advisers, another thing
that is in bob's book is what the chief public health advisers were telling him to do. he has done the opposite. >> yeah. >> and he has endangered the hiv liv lives of millions of americans and thousands and thousands are dead because of this negligence and refusal to acknowledge science. >> dana bash, carl bernstein, thank you. tomorrow, bob woodward joins me for the hour. we will be playing new audio with the president. as well as his assessment at the end -- first, for him that donald trump is, in his words, the wrong man for the job. bob woodward. same time, same place, right here, tomorrow, 8:00 p.m. coming up next, another case of politics trumping political -- public health, i should say. the spokesman who reportedly pushed to make cdc covid data fit the political narrative better. answering critics by attacking government scientists. open accusing them . two former directors of the cdc
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he said what he said in the wake of reporting that trump appointed communications officials at hhs pushed to change language in weekly cdc bulletins. and that caputo, assistant secretary for public affairs, demanded to see those documents before they were actually released. the allegation here, a familiar one, is that public health is being subordinated to politics. joining us now, former director, dr. thomas frieden. and former acting director, dr. richard besser. dr. besser, is this the kind of person that should be influencing what americans hear from hhs and cdc right now? i mean, is this how the press office is supposed to work? >> well, one of the -- one of the most important documents that comes out of cdc every week is called the morbidity and mortality weekly report. and it's got a name that doesn't resonate with the public because its target audience is, really, people in public health around
the nation. and the idea that there would be political efforts to change this -- this journal, this important means of communication, really undercuts trust in public health. and hearing this is just another example of where politics is interfering with the path that public health is laying out for us to successfully manage this pandemic. and get our economy up and running. >> dr. frieden, i mean, what kind of an impact does, you know, the spokesperson for hhs accusing scientists, government scientists, of sedition and, you know, floating unproven conspira conspiracies. it has the potential, i imagine, of having some sort of a chilling effect on everybody who works at, you know, all the arms of the hhs. >> well, fundamentally, here, the enemy is a virus. and the virus doesn't respond to spin. it responds to science-driven action.
what we're seeing is an attempt to meddle with science. and the somewhat bizarre comments that stating scientific truths is, in some way, politically motivated. now, one of the things that's interesting is that, despite this enormous and inappropriate pressure, the scientists at cdc have continued to put out excellent information, as recently as last week. an mmwr, as dr. besser mentioned, this is the weekly bulletin of the cdc and widely respected and copied by public-health organizations, all over the world. last week, they put out a bulletin with a very rigorous scientific analysis of spread of covid, from child care. proving that it spread, within the child care, to the parents. at least, one parent hospitalized. and recommending that contacts of people with covid get tested.
so despite this enormous pressure, the folks at cdc are continuing to do their best to provide good science. and the overwhelming majority of the material on the website continues to be the best place to go for information on covid. however, this kind of action, by washington, undermines faith in the cdc. and makes it much harder for us to get on the same page and stop the virus. >> dr. besser, i mean, we have seen instances of, you know, cdc caving in to pressure by -- by the president. you know, changing guidelines or weakening guidelines, once the president says they're too strong for schools to follow. too expensive. you know, we've seen, obviously, fda, you know, backtracking on denying an emergency-authorization use on plasma. and making -- the head of the fda making statements he, then, had to walk back and apologize for. i mean, we've seen an alarming relationship between, you know, scientists who, as, you know,
dr. frieden said, are, you know, just want to focus on science. they're, now, i mean, in many people's eyes, they are damaged. >> you know, one of the most important powers that -- that fda and cdc have is trust. trust by the american public, that everything they do is based on the best-available public health science. and, you know, this fall, as vaccine trials continue and as those results will be coming in, it's critically important that people have faith that any kind of decision coming out of fda, in term s of approval, is based on good science. and any recommendations, in terms of who should get vaccines, by cdc, is based on good science. because you can have a vaccine that's highly effective. but if no one is willing to get it because they -- they lack trust in the science, you're not going to be able to save lives. as i talk to former colleagues at cdc, you know, they have their head down. they are doing the work. they are doing hard science.
in terms of the impact in -- in -- on morale, it's devastating to feel that they don't have the protection, from on top. that there are political leaders who are trying to undermine the hard work that they're doing to keep people here, safe, and to help us get through this. >> dr. frieden, i mean, are you concerned that -- that administration officials may be editing scientific findings? why -- why would that matter? explain why that would be -- >> well, we've already seen a few things that were dictated in washington and put on the cdc website. that's really dangerous because it undermines trust in cdc and trust in the recommendations. that has far-reaching implications for are we able to control this virus? there is not a question of opposition, politically. the bottom line, here, is there are scientific facts. if the administration wants to say that kids don't spread the disease, it's wrong. and so, it's not insubordinate
for cdc to say that. it's being responsible to science. it's being true to what their responsibility is to the american people. and that's what the professionals at cdc are doing. it's unfortunate that we are seeing behavior that's not along those lines from some in washington. >> dr. besser, i mean, where -- what happens, now? i mean, obviously, the looming concern is the vaccine. and trust in the vaccine, which is already low, according to polls. i mean, why wouldn't the administration try to fast track it, to the extent of, you know, to -- to have it done before an election? or for political purposes? >> you know, it is so important that we all speak up and speak out about the importance of our public health agencies being separate from the political influence that we're seeing because you're right, anderson. if that doesn't happen, the --
the faith in any vaccine that comes forward or new drug treatments or control strategies is undercut. this is the worst public health crisis in -- in our lives. we see, around the globe, countries successfully getting this under control and getting people blaack to work. and public health knows the path to get through but we're not doing that. you know, this disconnect between the political conversation and the public-health conversation. we can't allow that continue. we have to come together as a nation, across party lines, and get this done. if we don't do that, the same populations that have been hit the hardest. communities of color, lower-income americans, are going to continue to get devastated by this pandemic. >> yeah. dr. tom frieden and richard besser. really appreciate it. thank you very much. when we return, the latest on the wildfires in the western states. plus, my conversation with los angeles mayor, eric garcetti, about the fire's destruction and his response to the president's comments california today denyi denying the fires have anything to do with climate change.
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zblfrm thousands of firefighters battling almost 90 active wildfires. oregon, today, saying there have been another 22 reported missing. health of residents a key concern and air-monitoring group said today, three cities, portland, seattle, and san francisco, now have some of the worst air quality of any big cities in the world. epa air quality index tracker says large swaths of oregon and washington state are experiencing hazardous air quality. our kyung lah has more. >> reporter: reinforcements in the eight-day battle in southern california's bobcat fire. choppers are finally in the air
pounding the steep hillsides. aided by planes dropping fire retardant. helping exhausted ground crews in the hills. >> as you can see, it's so steep that it's challenging to get the firefighters up on the hill. so we rely on the aircraft to put it out or slow it down so we can implement our tactics in front of the fire, to keep it from growing. >> reporter: this is just one fire of nearly 100 deadly wildfires burning in the west, from california to oregon. >> oh, my god. >> reporter: half a million of oregon's residents have been warned they may need to evacuate. entire neighborhoods and lives, already, lost. among them, 13-year-old, wyatt of lions, who died while trying to get his 71-year-old grandmother out of a fire. those who made it out described the horror of their escape. >> this is the worst experience. scary. >> reporter: more than 5 million acres across the west have
burned, including the state of washington. the state commissioner visiting the small town of malden, washington, was overcome by the loss. >> i wake up in the morning, just pray. pray that we will not lose one firefighter's life, one citizen's life, one home, one community. it is a horrible feeling when you are facing so much on prayer. >> reporter: the worst part, say firefighters, the height of fire season is, still, weeks away. >> are you worried about the fire guys out here? everybody you work with? what they're going to look like in november. >> absolutely. worried about the safety every day and long-term effects. if we are seeing this kind of fire behavior now, we could see similar or worse conditions later in the year, as the fuels, vegetation, the trees, continue to dry out. >> yeah. i mean, there's still so much ahead. weeks and months.
firefighters got to be exhausted. there is word now in oregon, nearly two dozen people unaccounted for. >> yeah. that news in oregon is absolutely devastating, anderson. because the expectation is that the death toll could rise. the hope was that it would not. as far as what firefighters are feeling, here, they are stretched incredibly thin. they are working 12-hour shifts. they are encouraged by signs like this, that the air helicopters are still flying. that mother nature, right now, is cooperating. but, you know, it's going to be night pretty soon. they can fly partially at night. it does become much more dangerous, anderson, and these hills, as you saw, are extremely rugged. >> kyung lah. appreciate it. a short time ago, i spoke with the mayor of los angeles, eric garcetti, about the detective stati devastation caused by the firesmefire. >> mayor garcetti, thank you for
joining us. i'm sorry it's under these circumstances. how is your city? how is the state doing? >> we're hanging in there. we are a strong and resilient city and state. and been overwhelmed by the love and support from folks around this country, and even around this world. who can see our state burning, the west coast burning, who love california. from yosemite to our naval bases in san diego, from the central valley that feeds the people of this country, to hollywood that produces what we're watching in a pandemic. we've been really overwhelmed by the support from everybody. but these are very, very tough days on top of a pandemic and a downturn, to see our beloved state burn and to feel that in our lungs every day. but we will save lives. we'll protect people. and hopefully, do the harder work of making sure this doesn't become the new normal. that we actually confront the underlying causes of this, deep down. >> well, i mean, to -- to that point, you know, the president, today, denying that wildfires have anything to do with climate change. saying, on the ground in california, i don't think science knows, actually. he was talking about climate change. and that it's going to start getting cooler. you just watch.
i'm wondering what your reaction to that was. >> it's astounding. i mean, these are the basics of leadership. respond to a fire. tell the truth. support our troops. deal with the pandemic. and he seems to, often, just get it wrong. get it wrong on the science and the idea of saying i don't think science knows is like turning back 2,000 years of human progress. like saying the truth doesn't actually know. we know what is causing this. there is consensus there. and he's kind of one of the last members of the flat-earth society. but, you know, denial doesn't work when it comes to covid. denial doesn't come -- doesn't work when it comes to climate. and the cost of denial is that people lose their lives and their livelihoods. so, i would hope that, even in these moments when, by the way, our federal agencies do step up and do help us. and do know that we need their assistance. but instead, the leader, at the very top, continues, based on the electoral map, to either, you know, put down california for not raking enough. doesn't say anything like that
in a swing state. and the gulf coast doesn't assign the blame for hurricanes to anything they have done. it just seems partisan, at a moment when we should be nonpolitical and that we should be finding our common ground in america. it's very disappointing. >> obviously, backed out of the paris climate accord. rolled back epa regulations which he refers to himself as a great environmentalist. how do you come to terms with asking for assistance and, at the same time, you know, this is the leader of the country who is denying science and ignoring data? >> well, thankfully, america's made up of more than just one person, even when that person is, on paper, the most powerful in the united states. i founded climate mayors with two other mayors and when president trump said he was going to withdrawal from paris, we got on the phone and talked to republican mayors, independent mayors, and democratic mayors that said if he is out, we're in. i mean, don't take it from a politician. talk to a firefighter and ask him or ask her if climate change
is real. who have lost a brother or a sister on the fire line. there is no doubt that this is the reality of our life. and i think the first responsibility of an elected official, a public servant, is to safeguard lives. and if you can't step up for that, you're not ready for this job. you're not well-suited for this job. and you know, it's almost like there's two americas right now. one, in which people bury their heads, ignore the science, don't tell the truth, and say everything's going to be okay. whether it's fires or covid. and another, in which people are struggling to pay the bills, are fighting fires, right around their homes, are trying to heal their sick relatives. and unfortunately, the first one is the fantasy of donald trump. the second is the reality of life with donald trump. >> i want to ask you about the two l.a. sheriff's deputies. 24-year-old man. a 31-year-old mother who was ambushed. shot in their car over the weekend. i understand both are now out of surgery. do you know how they are doing? where the search stands for their assailant? >> yes. so los angeles sheriff's deputies who were our guardians
on one of our public-transit lines. it was a cowardly act of attempted assassination. there's no other way to put it. are amazing. they stepped up. let me just tell you, real briefly, the female deputy, after getting shot. both of them, four or five times. her, with a broken jaw, in the face, stepped out. gave a tourniquet to her fellow deputy, who had been shot in the head as well. probably, saved his life, while calling for help. thanks to the prayers and the thoughts and amazing doctors who have attended to them, it looks like they will both live which is an absolute miracle. and there is no place in our society for the violence that we saw, you know, blessed be the peacekeepers. we have a really important discussion to have in this country about public safety and us all owning this. this is not an issue that should be politicized. these are two brave individuals, who put their lives on the line, who somebody tried to kill. we have to make sure that they are -- that person is brought to justice and that these folks, who have a long recovery but will live, thankfully, can once
again reenter, protecting all of us and our society. >> eric garcetti, appreciate your time. thank you. >> thank you, anderson. >> in a moment, we are going to talk more about the shooting. the surveillance video of the attack, which is disturbing perspective from two police department veteran, including one former member of the lapd about the atmosphere in which this happened and whether that can help lead to a suspect and conviction. that's when we continue. we're helping change the future of heart failure. understanding how to talk to your doctor about treatment options is key. today, we are redefining how we do things.
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before the break, you saw my interview with mayor eric garcetti. he said it appears both will live. reward of at least $100,000 is being offered in return for information that leads to the arrest and conviction of the shooter. we warn you the surveillance video of the shooting we are about to show is disturbing. the two deputies, a 31-year-old mom and 24-year-old man were in the car when the shooter approached the passenger side, raised a pistol, shot, then ran away. may mayor garcetti said the female deputy, after getting shot four our five times and with a broken jaw, was able to step out, call for help, and apply a tourniquet to her fellow deputy, possibly saving his life. both are expected to recover. long-term impact, of course, with their health, unknown. joining us is charles ramsey, a cnn law enforcement analyst, police chief of washington, d.c. sheryl dorsey is a retired police sergeant, author of
"black and blue." book about her experiences on the lapd. dorsey, you were a veteran with the department. you know the area intimately. what was your reaction when you heard about and saw this shooting? >> well, my first reaction. let me say this, first. let me offer my sympathies to the l.a. county sheriff's department and say i don't condone violence by the police nor against the police. when i saw this, my first reaction was sadness because, listen. there is a lot of chatter on social media about an eye for an eye. we know that there are reports of internal gangs within the compton sheriff department particularly. they refer to themselves as the executioner. and so, i wondered, aloud, if this wasn't, maybe, retaliation for the failure to hold officers accountable, not only in the compton sheriff's department but nationally when we see instances of officers using deadly force as a first resort, rather than a last resort. >> chief ramsey, what's going through your mind tonight as you think of the deputies and obviously their families and colleagues? >> well, i mean, i wish the best
for the deputies and their families, obviously. but there's absolutely no excuse, at all, for that kind of action taking place. it's despicable. it's cowardly. it's all those things that people have said. listen. violence is wrong, no matter who commits that violence. and what you saw today reminded me of the assassination to two new york city officers just a couple years ago. again, another cowardly act that was committed by an individual. and there's just no justification for it. i don't care if it's about, you know, police reform or anything that has to do with police. you know, taking another person's life like that, an ambush, is just totally uncalled for. >> sergeant dorsey, the sheriff's department offered $100,000 reward for information. the fbi have, also, now, offered resources. how confident are you that he had' fi they'd find the shooter? >> i don't know if the money offered is going to have much to do with finding the shooter. i absolutely believe that eventually this person will be identified, either because of witnesses, because of surveillance, and other video
that may be gleaned from the area. and all of the resources that the sheriff's department will bring to bear, to help identify and locate this individual. >> chief ramsey, i mean, how -- how do you view this, in the context of, you know, the -- the -- the protests that we've seen? obviously, you know, tensions are high. how did this affect it? >> this had nothing to do with the legitimate call for police reform. this is an individual killer you are looking at. i hope your viewers hear about it and does not confuse the action of this person with people who are legitimately trying to change the system. there is for comparison. he needs to be apprehended and spend the rest of his life in prison, period.
anyone giving information on hods in philly, we do $20,000. it helps because it keeps the information going out there in the community. >> how widespread do you this i the knowledge is who's involve inside the shooting in a situation like this and post action report. what usually is, you know, how widespread of the circle of people who would know the identity of the shooter. >> there is no way of knowing. we don't know if that's true. this could be nothing more in my mind of a distraction from the real problem of the angst of the black and brown community have. while this is happening in compton and there are issues ongoing with that agency, we don't know if this person nor
the ones we showed at the hospital and the total disregard of those that are under care there shouting things that were contrary to them getting better. all of that disstratracts from conversations need to be had. officers are not being held accountable. the fish rots. it would be nice if he had the same sort of commitment and decisiveness with regards to swift justice as he does for the person who committed this crime. >> things are so polarized that it does get caught up in politics. it is used by, you know, different fwrgroups and differe reasons and the president is being one of them. >> yeah, we had people out here doing crazy stuff, killing each other and so forth long before politics got involved. they'll kill at a drop of a hat.
people need to come to an understanding, there are people who are violent and needs to be taken off the streets. what you saw in that video is an example of one of those people. there is absolutely no excuse whatsoever. nothing politics or environment or what a thug would have done. what's the long-term impact going to have on them? physically and psychologically? all these violence have to end. >> all right, appreciate your time. thank you very much. breaking news, hurricane sally strengthens off the u.s. gulf coast. where is it headed when we continue. to be. ♪ and a high risk for fracture, osteoporosis
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breaking news of hurricane sally. category 2 storm, additional strengthen is expected. what's the latest? >> that's a good question, anderson, we are looking at 100 miles per hour at biloxi. everything is in place. we are not sure where or when this will make landfall. the warnings remain the same for louisiana but they extended to the east of pensacola. with it is stalling so much, it lost all speeds and currents. it is looking better for new orleans now but it is worse for areas like biloxi and mobile. the worst will be to the east. last night we thought we would have landfall after the mid night hours.
now it is slowing down, it could be midnight hours tomorrow night or midday tomorrow. this is an erratic storm. it puts a bad surge right in the area of mobile or mobile bay. >> by slowing down, it makes it less precise of patriredicting e it is going to go. >> this starts to go on for over 24. at each passing hour, it moves more and more in land, what it is going to do is impede the rain falling from the sky to move back offshore and onto the gulf. everything is going to biuild u. winds are not very strong right now. we got ocean waves reporting at 21 feet. we still have 7 to 11 foot storm surge. that's the worse part of
louisiana. you get it around ocean springs and biloxi, look at the rainfall, a slot of 6 to 10 all the way to atlanta and up the carolinas. it is going to collect and maybe 10 or 24 inches of rain. it will be catastrophic flooding. >> tom sater, thank you. the news continues, i am going to hand it over to chris cuomo for "primetime." >> i am chris cuomo and welcome to "primetime." we are 50 days outs of a-- unt the election. oh boy, we are stuck. we seem confused and divided on rudimentary and most basic things.