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tv   Anderson Cooper 360  CNN  September 24, 2020 9:00pm-10:00pm PDT

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thanks very much. good evening. we start with a second night of protest in kentucky. two officers shot last night. tonight, we understand a group of protestors is facing off with what appear to be militia members. just a short time ago, the mayor announced that the curfew tonight, which goes into effect in about an hour, will be extended through the weekend. all of this, in the wake of a grand jury's decision to charge one of the three officers involved in the death of breonna taylor. none of those charges actually related to her death, directly. mo for more on the scene there and the search for a suspect, i want to go to jason carroll in
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louisville. he latest? an hour away from the >> we're here at jefferson square park where protestors tend to gather. that's what they are doing right now. just a short while ago, anderson, a group of about a couple hundred of them marched up jefferson street just about a few -- i don't know -- less than a half mile from where we are now. where they confronted a group of white militia. they say they are out here to guard federal property. last night, they were out here guarding a pawn shop and a gas station. so these two groups came together. there was some heated words exchanged, as you can imagine. some of those saying it's time for you to get out of here. it's time for you to leave. the members of the white militia saying, look, we're here to protect everybody. as you can imagine, those who are black did not believe that. but at one point, the two groups are sitting there talking. eventually, one of the organizers said, hey, it's time
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for us to go. let's get back to the park. so they are back here at the park now. and as you say, we are just about an hour away from curfew. last night, they marched well into the evening, well past midnight into the curfew hours. they intend to do the same here tonight. anderson. >> do we have an update on the shooting that occurred last night and how the two officers that were shot are doing? >> right. and as you know, we were there when those shots rang out last night just at about 8:30. first, it was fireworks. then, we heard the gunfire start to erupt. two officers were hit during that gunfire last night. a suspect is in custody. both of those officers, we are told, are doing well. one was hit in the stomach. that officer is still in hone . hospital. the other officer, hit in the hip. that officer was treated and released. as you can imagine, the police commissioner saying earlier today, how thankful he is the situation was not worse. we've seen a number of people out here carrying weapons.
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kentucky is an open-carry state. so technically, it is legal to do so. but you can imagine, given all of the tension that's here on the ground when you are seeing people here carrying weapons, it just adds to the tension that's here. anderson. >> jason carroll, appreciate you being there. thank you. we are going to bring you more on the story in just a few moments. we will talk with ben trump, the attorney for breonna taylor's family. first, president trump refused to commit to a peaceful transfer of power if he loses the election. >> mr. president, real quickly, win, lose, or drawl in this election, will you commit here, today, for a peaceful transferral of power after the election? there's been rioting in louisville. there's been rioting in many cities across this country. red -- and your so-called red and blue states. will you commit to making sure there is a peaceful transferral of power, after the election? >> we're going to have to see what happens. you know that.
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i've been complaining very strongly about the ballots and the ballots are a disaster. >> i understand that but people are rioting. do you commit to making sure that there is a peaceful transferral of power? >> we want to have -- get rid of the ballots and we'll have a there won't be a transfer, frankly. there'll be a continuation. the ballots are out of control. you know it. and you know who knows it better than anybody else? the democrats know it better than anybody else. >> president doubled down on those comments this afternoon. since he efficiefirst said thate heard some republicans on capitol hill affirm the need for peaceful transfer of power. but others brush it off saying the president just says crazy stuff or that it was a got-ya question. regardless of party, against what the president said, we contacted all 53 republican senators today to invite them on tonight's program to talk about the president's comment. all 53 of them. you see their names there. not one agreed to come on to discuss it. as i mentioned, the president
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doubled down on those comments this afternoon. and not to miss out on the epic hypocrisy in washington these days, the president also sent out a tweet encouraging voters in florida to vote by mail. he wrote vote-by-mail ballots in my home state of florida begin going out today. make sure you request yours. fill it out and send it in. request yours today. florida, of course, run almost exclusively by republicans. and traditionally, a lot of republicans in the state vote by mail-in ballot. as for the president's claim that mail-in ballots -- what director christopher ray said today in testimony. >> now, we have not seen, historically, any kind of coordinated, national voter fraud effort in a major election. whether it's by mail or -- or otherwise. >> never seen it, ever. you know what we also have never seen? a president of the united states intentionally muddy the facts about voting and refuse to
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commit to a peaceful transfer of power. never. in fact, in 1981, president reagan used his first inaugural speech to speak about how precious this peaceful transfer is, after thanking the chief justice and several others. these are the first words of the newly installed president of the united states, speaking to the american people, as well as to his own predecessor. >> to a few of us here, today, this is a solemn and most momentous occasion. and yet, in the history of our nation, it is a commonplace occurrence. the orderly transfer of authority is called for in the constitution. routinely, takes place, as it has for centuries, and few of us stop to think how unique we really are. in the eyes of many in the world, this every-four-year ceremony, we accept as normal, is nothing less than a miracle. mr. president, i want our fellow
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citizens to know how much you did to carry on this tradition. by your gracious cooperation in the transition process, you have shown a watching world that we are a united people, pledged to maintaining a political system which guarantees individual liberty, to a greater degree than any other. and i thank you and your people for all your help in maintaining the continuity, which is the bulwark of our republic. >> ronald reagan cherished a peaceful transfer of power, and could thank his predecessor, who was sitting there, for helping to achieve it. that is what real presidents do. they fight hard to stay in power, no doubt. but when they lose, they graciously give way to another. no president is bigger than the office. no president is more important than the continuation of this democracy. let's go to the white house, now. jim akos to fcosta for the late. jim, it's just extraordinary the
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extent to which the president is setting the stage right now to contest the election if he loses. >> he really is setting the table for that, anderson. you heard the president earlier this afternoon, when he was leaving for these events in north carolina and florida. saying that he does not believe that it will be an honest outcome in the election if certain states conduct their mail-in balloting, in ways that he doesn't see fit. and we heard from the white house press secretary, kayleigh mcenany, earlier this afternoon, saying that the president will accept the results of a, quote, free and fair election. but that allows the white house, allows president trump campaign, to invent any standard that they want. and if they don't see the election meeting those standards, they're not going to recognize the outcome of the election. i will tell you, not everybody inside the trump campaign agrees with this approach, agrees with this strategy. i talked to a trump campaign adviser earlier today who said he hates this kind of talk coming from the president because it fires up the left, in the words of this trump adviser. and if the president refuses to leave the white house come
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inauguration day in 2021, the president essentially becomes -- or the former president, the outgoing president, donald trump, if he loses in the election, would essentially become, quote, a squatter, in the words of this trump adviser. so not everybody inside the campaign is on board with this strategy. >> the president's touting unusual announcement from the department of justice about, quote, discarded ballots in pennsylvania. can you just explain what he is talking about now? and also, is the department of justice basically part of the trump campaign, now? >> well, i mean, you know, opinions vary, on that front, anderson. and we are going to have to see how this plays out, in the coming weeks. but i don't think this was a welcome sign today, just on the face of it. earlier in the day, the president was on fox radio talking about how ballots for president trump were found in the trash can. then, kayleigh mcenany, at the white house briefing, was talking about nine trump ballots in pennsylvania that were discarded. and then, all of a sudden, the justice department puts out a press release talking about this. what is unusual about this, anderson, not that the justice department would investigate election fraud or allegations of
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election fraud or discarded ballots. it's the fact that it -- it was made public to the american people that these were trump ballots. it was as if people inside the justice department were trying to furnish the president. his team here, at the white house, the trump campaign, with sort of an ah-ha, we got him sort of moment, when, in fact, these episodes, these anecdotal pieces of evidence that come across from time to time that there might be election fraud going on. they have to be investigated and that's what the democratic attorney general of pennsylvania was saying. this is an example of the system working. they found a case where something needed to be investigated. but, anderson, the fact that the justice department would put out a press release saying that, oh, by the way, we found some or we're investigating some trump ballots that were discarded. i think that raises some alarm bells, and obviously this is a case people are going to be closely watching. one wrinkle we should point out, anderson, is that the justice department initially put their press release on its website talking about this case. then, had to pull it down
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because the number of ballots in question here went from nine to seven. and they had to correct themselves in putting out that press release. almost, seeming as if they were racing out there to get the president some helpful information, and then had to go back and correct the record. >> jim acosta, thanks. jena griswold will oversee elections in her state. also, cnn's chief legal analyst and former prosecutor, jeffrey toobin. what do you make of department of justice announcing details of an inquiry like this? >> well, i think the investigation still very unclear, and we will see what happens as the details develop. but what is clear is that the president is using his position, as president, to try to tilt an election in his favor. it seems that the use of the doj is to try to undermine mail ballots, even further, because the president believes that at least the use of mail ballots, in many statesome states, will political chances. and you just really urge americans to ignore what the president is saying on vote by
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mail. he is lying to try to keep power. and what americans should do is just make sure their registration is up to date. vote a mail ballot if it's available in the jurisdiction and make a plan to vote early and make all of our voices heard this upcoming election. >> jeff, i mean, is there any precedent for something like this? i mean, what -- for -- i mean, is it -- is -- for a president doing this, for what the department of justice is doing? >> well, no and no. i mean, there -- it's important to realize that one of the bedrock principles of the justice department is you don't release partial -- partial information about an investigation that is just getting started. this -- this is something every assistant u.s. attorney learns. that you don't tell the press that you're looking into subject a, b, or c. what you do is you -- you issue a press release when the case is resolved. usually, with an indictment or, sometimes, when you decide not to indict. but -- but to release the --
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that -- that you are investigating, you know, possible tampering or some sort of improper conduct, it's also vague. that you can't even tell what really went on here. it looks like, i think as you suggested, this was a trump campaign press release, in the form of a department of justice letter from a u.s. attorney. and it is -- it is really a tremendous embarrassment that the justice department has started to behave this way. but i think you can see why. it's because they are -- the president is trying to undermine the election, in general, and mail-in ballots, in particular. >> secretary griswold. i mean, if seven ballots were found in the garbage, how -- why would that happen? i mean, in your state, what sort of, you know -- i mean, is there -- the claims by the
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president obviously is this validates the idea there is widespread voter fraud with mail-in ballots. >> study after study shows the rate of any type of voter fraud is extremely low. you can just look at the heritage foundation. the conservative thinktank, that puts the rate of voter fraud at .00006% with mail ballots. so i really do believe this is a political stunt. this is not the first time the president has tried to use federal agencies to bolster his crusade against this election. and i want to underline how dangerous this is for the nation. we have aesen who is not committing to respect the outcomes of our elections. we need to make sure that every american is ready to go to the polls, and equipped with the information that they need because every american needs to have their voice heard if they are eligible to vote. and we cannot let the president sow so much confusion and discord into our elections that
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it ends up suppressing turnout, come november. >> jeff, the department of justice, also, as we mentioned, commented which candidates the ballots cast their vote for. is that something the doj would usually do? >> never. and the u.s. attorney wrote this two-page letter. it is so unclear what even happened here. one of the reasons you don't release preliminary information, as a prosecutor, is because it is incomplete and sometimes mysterious in what it actually means. so the idea that there was some sort -- it's not even clear what -- what went on, here. and -- and the fact that, you know, that they mentioned that these were seven or seven out of nine or nine out of nine. again, it's -- it's vague. trump ballots. underlines that this was not a legitimate law enforcement operation to release this information. it was simply a stunt to help the president discredit mail-in
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balloting. and this is precisely what the justice department should not be doing. >> secretary griswold. i mean, you are obviously on the front lines of this. where does the state of colorado stand with the mail-in voting process? and i'm wondering how confident you are it's working in your state? >> well, in colorado, we have the national gold standard when it comes to elections. and we mail a ballot to every registered voter. and i am tremendously confident in the ability to have a great election in november. you know, there was a back and forth with the postmaster general. he has given assurances that the postal service is up to the task. but more importantly, we won a couple lawsuits making sure that the postage and mail ballots are delivered, in a timely fashion. but i am concerned about the president's rhetoric. that we have a president who disrespects the very foundation of our democracy and, unfortunately, we do not have the legal guardrails in place to ensure that our elections go so
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that every american can have their voice heard. so what i hope is that, after this election, we continue a national conversation. a conversation to make sure that every americans' right to vote is respected, and that means vote by mail for all. early voting. same-day voter registration. and access for every american across the nation, just like we have here in colorado. >> so are you getting any sense, though, that the president's scare tactics about mail-in voting are -- is giving voters in colorado any second thoughts about the system's integrity? >> well, the president has a huge platform. and i -- i think it's just such a shame for the nation and confidence in our elections, that he chooses to use it for corruptive purposes. i will say, in our june 30th primary, we set a record turnout, 99.3% of all ballots were cast using a mail ballot, even with the opportunity to use in-person, early voting and election day in-person voting. and that a higher percentage of
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we are following protectsstn louisville, kentucky, tonight. we want to show you a scene from just a few moments ago. demonstrators demanding justice for breonna taylor, chanting say her name. >> say her name. >> breonna taylor! >> the chants say her name is part of a movement meant to highlight the names of black, female victims of police violence. tonight, in addition to the demonstrations, we want to focus on the case that has moved so many to streets in louisville and elsewhere and discuss why a grand jury decided to charge one of the officers with wanton
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endangerment. here to talk about that is attorney for breonna taylor's family, mr. benjamin crump. mr. crump, thank you for being with us. i'm wondering your reaction to the charges and how the taylor family has been dealing with this. >> well, anderson, breonna's family was devastated. they were heartbroken and therathey were outraged. and like me and my co-counsels, attorney lonita baker, they were baffled by what kentucky attorney general daniel cameron actually presented to the grand jury. did he present any evidence, at all, on behalf of breonna taylor? and if he didn't, then he unilaterally made a decision to put his thumb on the scales of justice, to exonerate those police officers that killed breonna taylor. and made sure that she would not get due process of the law.
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and that she would not get justice. and that's why we are demanding that the transcripts of the grand jury proceedings be released. so we can see if breonna's voice was ever made -- put forth before that grand jury. >> how much of a heads up did the attorney general give the taylor family, before making the announcement? and were -- i mean, were the charges clearly explained to them? >> anderson, he notified them about ten minutes before the decision was announced to the world. and, no, there was not much explanation given, whatsoever. in fact, my co-counsels had to explain to ms. palmer that the wanton endangerment charge was not even for breonna's apartment, but for her white neighbors, in the next door
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apartment. they didn't return wanton endangerment charges for her black neighbors who had a bullet go into their apartment. nor, did they bring any wanton endangerment charges for the bullets that were shot, blindly, into breonna taylor's apartment. and worst of all, anderson cooper, they did not bring wanton murder charges for the bullets that went into breonna taylor's body. >> the kentucky governor, today, reiterated his call for the attorney general to release the grand jury documents to the public. the louisville mayor, also, said the city is working with the attorney general's office and the fbi to, quote, determine what we can release so it doesn't interfere with any of the ongoing investigations. i mean, i know you're calling for that. do you think that's actually going to happen? because that, i mean, doesn't happen very often. or does it? >> it doesn't happen often, anderson. but since the kentucky attorney general daniel cameron talked about transparency, then, what better way to be transparent
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than to release the transcripts? you remember, anderson, they released them in the aftermath of the killing of michael brown in ferguson, missouri. so there is a precedence where you can release the transcripts of a grand jury proceeding. because what we really want to know is did he present evidence of the lieutenant who lied on the probable cause affidavit, which was the basis for the judge to sign the no-knock warrant that allowed them to go to breonna taylor's house, and bust open the door and kill her. or did he call the neighbors, the 12 neighbors, that our legal team interviewed, that said there was no knocking and announcing the presence of the police. daniel cameron keeps putting forth this one neighbor, who said that he heard the police knock and announce. but they're not telling you that that neighbor, on two previous statements, said that he didn't
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hear any police officers knock and announce themselves. so did he only present that one person to the grand jury? and all this ridiculousness about self-defense. the law is very clear in kentucky. did he tell them that when you are a third-party, innocent bystander, that the person who is claiming self-defense does not have the right to use violence or injure you or to shoot you, if there's another person who used a force against them to imply self-defense. and everybody, anderson cooper, has said that breonna had no gun. breonna posed no threat. she was a black woman in her own home, in her underwear, when her body was mutilated by six bullets, shot by the louisville metropolitan police department. >> you tweeted that this is -- today -- that this is a, quote, documented and clear coverup. i spoke to kenneth walker,
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breonna taylor's boyfriend. her attorney -- his attorney, last night. who also said there was a coverup. what, specifically, do you believe that the attorney general is covering up? >> well, the fact that, if he didn't put the context about the probable cause affidavit that showed this was based on a lie, in the first place. saying that the united states post inspector said breonna was getting packages delivered to her house. and then, the united states postal inspector said we never made that statement. there were no packages delivered to breonna taylor's house. so if that wasn't communicated in that grand jury proceeding, how isn't that a coverup? i mean, there are so many things, when you think about this case, when it first happened. breonna's mother, sister, calling every day to the police department to say can you explain to me why you killed my daughter in her own apartment? and every day, getting no answers. but yet, they release a
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three-page police report, anderson, that was filled with lies. saying that there was no signs of forced entry. when we know they busted open the door. and then, they had the audacity to say that there were no injuries. yet, breonna was executed there, in the hallway of her apartment. and so, we do believe it was a coverup from go. they always intended to sweep this under the rug, as if breonna taylor life didn't matter and it continues a long pattern in america that they disrespect and try to marginalize the lives of black women. but breonna's legacy will be that black women' lives matter, too, america. >> there is an fbi investigation, still, ongoi >> well, we have to see because we have to see if they're going to look at this whole no-knock warrant, which we believe was unconstitutional and illegal, from the beginning, because they
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lied on the probable cause affidavit, which is a civil rights violation to breonna taylor. so are they going to hold people accountable for that? and that's what they should do. are they going to hold people accountable for shooting bullets and telling mistruths in the aftermath of the killing of breonna taylor? because what we continue to say is we want to make sure that there are not two justice systems in america. one for black america, and one for white america. and the one for black america seems to always end that the police officers did no wrong. and just because they say it's legal, that doesn't make it's right. it's the 65th anniversary, today, of the legend of emmett till. and they said, remember, anderson, that was legal. but that didn't make it right. so when daniel cameron, this attorney general for kentucky, tries to tell us that it was justifiable and it was legal,
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well, that does not make it right. >> benjamin crump, i appreciate your time tonight. thank you. >> thank you. >> president trump claims he could overrule the fda if the agency tried to put tougher standards in place to approve a coronavirus vaccine. take a look if that's possible. i will talk it over with former director of the cdc to see if politics could interfere with science, again, when we continue. by the struts hey mercedes? ♪ with acetaminophenction fights pain in two ways. advil targets pain at the source...
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keeping a close eye on the second night of protest in louisville, on the grand jury's decision in the breonna taylor case. we are going to bring you any updates. meanwhile, the coronavirus
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death toll in the united states is approaching 203,000. president trump continues to inject election-year politics into the science of any vaccine. saying his white house could, in fact, overrule the fda. today, as part of an online conversation with cnn's dsanjay gupta, dr. fauci made clear that the override would be a problem. >> the scientists and the fda have put this forth for their proposal for criteria for eua. under normal circumstances, that decision is theirs. the secretary approves it and that's it. something that comes from without, that is not a scientific consideration, would be troublesome. >> troublesome. politics and science at a critical juncture. joining me now is dr. tom frieden, former cdc director. you heard dr. fauci say. i assume you agree it's troublesome. is it anything to be done about
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it? i mean, can the president do that? >> well, anderson, if you think about what makes a vaccine work, it has to be safe, effective, and trusted. and if they cut corners and stop a trial early, to rush something into people's arms, we're not going to know whether it's safe. we're not going to know if it's effective for all groups, such as the elderly. and we're not going to have the trust in it that's needed to get used. we all want there to be a vaccine available, as soon and safely as possible. but when you look at what this administration has done whether with masks or when to close, when to open, what to do with schools. what you have seen is a persistent and consistent overruling of science that has backfired. that's why we have over 200,000 deaths in this country. it's why we've lost so many millions of jobs. backing science isn't getting in the way of our response. it's the way to get back to a new normal. >> clearly, the president doesn't feel the same way.
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do you know if he would have the power to override something that the fda would normally be able to just do? >> well, on the one hand, you have an advisory committee that's external, and that's going to meet, i believe on october 22nd, to look at data. whether something happens before that date, on that date, or after that date, it is possible, just as washington dictated things be put on the cdc website. you had a very politicized set of decisions on hydroxychloroquine and convalescent plasma. it's quite possible the white house could interference with science. that has huge risk not only for covid but for all vaccines, something that's already questioned by many in society. the risks here are huge. but that we'll have less trust
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in many different vaccines. and one thing that's important to keep in mind, as important as a vaccine is, and it's very important, it's only one tool. there's no fairytale ending to this pandemic. even with a vaccine, we're going to need to hold off on large, in-person, indoor gatherings. we're going to need to track down cases and contacts, stop clusters, wear masks, hold off of handshaking for, at least most of 2021, if not beyond. >> so how does it end? i mean, if -- if the vaccine -- vaccine comes out or several vaccines come out. and they're -- they're able to, you know, have a rate -- efficacious rate of, i don't know, 50% or 70%, i mean, is this now just something that's going to exist out there, just like the seasonal flu? and some people will die and some people will be able to be vaccinated and there will be better therapeutics, and it's just something that will just be there?
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>> well, first off, we don't know what's going to happen. it's had less than a year in the human population. it may change, with time. but one thing is certain. there's no one answer here. what we have to do is chip away at the pandemic and each of those chips, each of them, is important. the three ws. wear a mask. watch your distance. wash your hands. closing risky, indoor places when there's a lot of spread in the community. better treatment. steroids knock down mortality by about a third in severely ill people. a vaccine would be the single-most important tool but only one tool. contact tracing. strategic testing. rapid isolation. quarantine. these are all tools that will allow us to get to a new normal, and get most of our economy back and have some new ways of doing things, even better and more efficiently. but if any one of these tools is undermined, as masks and testing and isolation and contact tracing have already been undermined by politicizing the science, it sets us back. it results in deaths and
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economic devastation that are avoidable. >> dr. frieden, appreciate it, as always. thank you very. . as we mentioned earlier, president trump continues to pound away on his baseless claim about the election not being honest, as he puts it. and he is refusing to commit to peaceful transfer of power, which is incredible to even say that out loud, if he loses the election. next, i'll talk with "new york times" tom frieden about the kind of message that sends throughout the country. so you can quickly check the markets? yeah, actually i'm taking one last look at my dashboard before we board. excellent. and you have thinkorswim mobile- -so i can finish analyzing the risk on this position. you two are all set. have a great flight. thanks. we'll see ya. ah, they're getting so smart. choose the app that fits your investing style. ♪ ...this one's for you. you inspired us to make your humira experience even better...
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protest in louisville stemming from the breonna taylor case. this as president trump continues to claim, without basis and fact, that the election won't be honest. covering leaders worldwide who try to stay in power, also the author of best-seller, hot, flat, and tom, we played president reagan's statement when he gave his first inaugural address and the first thing he addressed was the commonplace nature of the peaceful transfer of power. and jimmy carter for making it so easy to facilitate that. something that's commonplace where, overseas, presidents dress up in fake military uniforms, when they have their families, you know, running other branches of government. they don't have peaceful transfers of power.
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were you surprised that the president said this? i mean, you know, a lot of people say, you know, yes, it's stunning but not surprising. >> i found it stunning and surprising, anderson. you know, i -- i began my career as a journalist covering lebanon's second civil war in its history. and i'm terrified to find myself ending my career, as a journalist, covering america's potential second civil war in its history. >> you really believe that. >> yeah. i think what happened in the last few days is a six-alarm fire. i think it's def con 5. the president of the united states has told us either i win the election, or he delegitimize the election. those are your choices, folks. and he is basically trying to break peoples' will to get people to say, what the heck, he wants it so bad, just give it to him. i think this is -- this is certainly the most frightening moment in my life. it's frightening because of him. it's frightening because he's
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backed by a state-owned network. and it's terrifying because the republican party has become, basically, a political brothel that rents itself out, by the night, to everyone who will energize its base. whether it was sarah palin or the tea party or now trump. this is a party that went into its convention with no platform. no platform. basically, said whatever trump wants, we want. and if you're not frightened now, if you are not terrified, for what could happen, it's not we might have a disputed election. it is we are going to have a disputed election. almost certainly, unless trump wins, in which case, i shudder to think what four more years of this would be like. >> it does -- i mean, it certainly kind of is a waving red flag to armed supporters of the president, who feel aggrieved who, you know, believe in conspiracy theories.
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who are showing up, already, to protests to, you know, guard garages and -- and stuff. it certainly puts them on notice that the president is up for the idea of -- of not having a peaceful transfer of power. >> yeah. i think that you simply cannot count on, not only the rules but, the norms. i mean, what really governed the country -- the words on paper were important. but we're learning what is so much more important are the norms that people use to apply those words. and certain things were just simply considered off the table. and what donald trump did in the last two days basically delegitimizing a -- a legitimate form of voting, with a virtually zero percent case of corruption, as -- as your previous guest noted -- used by democrats and republicans. electing democrats and
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republicans. ma mai mail-in voting. he is delegitimizing that because he thinks he is going to lose. and i think this is just the beginning. this should be breaking news, banner headline on cnn, "the new york times," "washington post," every day. this is all we should be talking about because, i promise you, on november 3rd and 4th, this is all we will be talking about. and by then, it could be too late. >> how do you -- i mean, how does this play out in other countries that you've seen? i mean, again, you know, i can't even believe we're having this conversation, frankly, because i just can't believe it. >> well, you know, i was -- before i came on, i was reading up about belarus. you know, this russian satellite, basically, where their president basically cooked the election. he's been in power 26 years. saying the country needs me now. we're in a terrible crisis. and, you know, the state department's made some mild protest. but as a foreign correspondent, that's sort of what you do. you cover those kind of
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elections, and then you call the state department and you get some statement. hopefully, a strong one. you know, that stands up for the principles of self-determination and free and fair elections. that's what -- that's what i did, all these years, as a foreign correspondent. now, you have to do it in your own country. only, the people you'd want to call, the justice department, they're not answering the phone. they're in on the joke. of course, it's not a joke, at all. and i just think, you know, one of the most ridiculous statements made by any journalist was after trump was elected. who excoriated the press, for saying, oh, you silly reporters. you took him literally. but his supporters only took him figuratively. you never should have taken him literally. this is a man you should take
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him at his words. >> that's the irony of trump is that. he does say all the stuff that's in his head that he wants to do. he says it on twitter and he says it out loud. >> when you give a president without shame, that by party without -- and amplified without integrity and social network that's marinated in conspiracy theories. if you are not frighten by this, you are not paying attention. >> so what do you do? >> there is only one thing to do, go out and vote for joe biden. vote for joe biden and register
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someone, help someone register and drive someone to the polls to vote for joe biden. this is all about power, anderson. you are not going to persuade the republican party. i laughed when i saw lindsey graham, if you have joe biden winning the election, you have nothing to worry about. it is the supreme court situation that republicans ran and repeated again you would not be for it. there is only one tool that we have and that's overwhelmingly vote. i written and i will repeat and i will walk to the polls and i will crawl to the polls and it shri it -- i will cast my vote for joe biden. >> thank you very much. i appreciate it. next, what happens when president trump pays his
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>> that's booing and there were some chants from the crowd. >> the crowd yelling "vote him out." they did not stop there. there is also this. "honor her wish" how they referen referenced ruth bader ginsburg's wish to her granddaughter. jessica snyder is joining us now from the supreme court. what did the president have to say about this? >> reporter: he was asked about that and he dismissed those chants of "vote him out," he said he can barely hear anythin
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anything. now the first lady and the president stayed here for a minute and really anderson, the president has been careful to be respectful to ruth bader ginsburg. he ordered the flags at half staff but he dismissed her dying wish because he'll name one on saturday night, anderson. >> yes. justice ruth bader ginsburg is going to lay at the u.s. state capitol. it is the first woman for that honor. >> yes, it is a rare honor. rosa park was laying in honor as opposed to laying in state so this is a big date. ruth bader ginsburg's casket will be brought to the supreme court over the u.s. capitol tomorrow morning. there will be a ceremony and included inside that there will be an opera singer, we knowd h .
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thank you very much jessica, the news continues with chris cuomo. >> thank you, my friend. i am chris cuomo and welcome to "primetime." our president promised on his watch the carnage would end. today he doubled down on the idea that he defy the law and he may allow or cause disorder and indeed invite carnage if this election is not to his liking. >> we are going to make sure the election is honest and i am not sure it can be. i don't know if it can be with this whole situation, unsolicited ballots. they are unsolicited. >> he said the word "honest" but i don't think he knows what it means. what he's talking about with voting. we have no reason for suspicion that mail-in