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after election day as long as they were postmarked before the election. it is something erin. >> it is why you are doing well on the news. it every ends. >> governor kasich, i appreciate your time. >> thank you to all of you as well. let's hand it off now to anderson. good evening, the president is doing it again. he's campaigning in pennsylvania tonight. he's letting us know he and his vice president are going to spend the next three weeks breaking every rule and guidelines about what to do during a pandemic. to do that, they're taking advantage of what's best enough. this is not churchill tapping into it. this is the president who likes to confirm to churchill conditioning americans to accept
a daily assault by him and the president on public health by hosting super spreader events if places right now that are seeing surges at coronavirus cases, except those people standing behind the president because they are on camera. the positivity rate is between 8% or 9%. 9% of whom on average of the people in that room are infected with the deadly virus or for this president, the new normal that he would like for us to accept. the president goes to iowa tomorrow where the percentage of test coming back positive. on saturday he'll be at wisconsin where the positive
rate is at 20%. wisconsin reports more than 3200 new cases in worst day of the pandemic yet. yes, this is where the president will be hold a gathering over the weekend. >> could we just take a moment? can we give a round of applause to the doctors and nurses and first responders and all struggling with loss in the midst of this mpandemic. you are heroes, all. [ applause ] >> i promise all of you we are going to keep making sure our doctors and nurses have all the resources they need and we'll keep protecting the vulnerable and saving lives. while skrie djoe biden is talkit
shutting down our economy. under president trump, we are opening up america again. >> do you think he practice that in front of a mirror? it does not come naturally. applausie aplauding doctors and nurses and doing the opposite of what doctors and nurses recommend by the cdc guidelines. the president continues taking shots with someone who's taking it seriously and does know what they are talking about, dr. anthony fauci.
>> "actually, tony's pitching arm is far more accurate than his prognostications." he did nothing? what is his message to the families of 215,000 americans who have died? it is what it is. sorry your family members is dead? resear covid will kill more than 321,000 american lives by the end of this year. that same model projects 45,000 fewer deaths if mask wearing would go up to 95%. if that man and all the people
in that gathering would wear a mask and will do it everyday. 95% of us would do it. we can save more than 40,000 lives. why not do that? you can save 40,000 lives. why is that not a national priority? why is that something we should believe to do? why would that man use this opportunity to send that message? in the next time, however long he's in office, he can save tens of thousands of lives by putting on a mask and encouraging all those folks who listens to him closely. that's how he can save lives by normalizing mask wearing.
by inspiring people making shared sacrifices and not preying before them. as david gergen says last night from one obscenity to the next. >> kaitlan collins. obviously he wants to rally his bases as much as possible. it seems like a lot of this is about his ego, making him feel better in front of crowds. he's putting his supporters at risk and he's continuing this recklessness. >> the president wants to project strength. the problem with running this campaign as he has the last several months that he's the strong energetic candidate and his opponent joe biden is weak. the president is the one who's taken by helicopter to the hospital just a few days ago. that obviously messed with that
message and stepped on it. that's what we heard from sources. the president was worried about when he was in the hospital and that's why he wanted to leave so quickly and earlier than his advisers recommended. that's why you see him holding all these rallies. a lot have not changed when it comes to mask wearing and social distancing. i was looking at other camera in this venue, a lot of people are not wearing masks and they're not social distancing. but instead he's using it through the lens of how he does other things like himself to project his own stamina and his own strength which is a major topic he's used the last two nights. >> they are still covering up when his last negative test was before he started showing symptoms of covid, before he
tested positive. they're still refusing just to answer a basic question that they must have records of and the fact that they continue to cover up, it is hard to have it any other conclusion other than the president had been lying and was not tested with vice president biden and they want to cover up the recklessness. what's the logic of being able to release the president's negative test but they can't release when a negative test results two weeks ago. the logic of wanting to protect the president's medical history as some officials cited does not make sense when you are picking and choosing which negative test results you are releasing. that's why people have raised so many questions about it. they won't release the full news and the complete picture. >> maybe that's being audited by
the irs as well. our next guest knows better than most watching coronavirus cases rise. governor cuomo, we are glad that the governor can join us, he just written a book "american crisis." >> as you are looking at this picture and few people wearing masks. this could impact new york. when you see these images, what dow think as somebody who's in a leadership position? >> anderson, you think this is incredible. i am in disbelief, i can't believe this is the president of the united states. this is a reoccurring nightmare. we have seen this the past seven months. your previous commentary.
yes, the president does not tell the truth, point a. point b, he does not tell the truth about covid. point c, he's been in denial from day one, he's been reckless with his own behavior and with the behavior of the country and he made this covid pandemic worse. so yes, it is outrageous, we have seen outrageous since this began. really we have seen this for four years, right? >> i guess i am just stupid or naive, i don't understand how knowing you can save 40,000 american lives in the next five months by most of us wearing masks, that's something a leader can rally us to do. look, you have been pushing masks from the get-go, i don't understand why this is not a national priority. i don't know. i am naive, i guess. it is sad to me. >> no, no, anderson, you are
right. the disconnect is you are logical and you are responsible. you are talking about a person in the administration that's not logical and not responsible. new york was the first state to do a mandatory mask law and a president was on the other side. one of the main problems i had all through this is i am putting forth best practices and good health advice and the president has been arguing against everything every step of the way. and this nation is so polarized that this back and forth with the president and frankly his i irresponsibility on the issue, majority of his base believed it and followed it. that has actually aided and abetted this virus.
what's tricky with this virus is it takes one. it just takes one person in a crowd or one person in a bar to infect dozens. when you have the president spreading this message of irresponsibility and the impact of one or two people actually listening to him, you have this reoccurring viral transmission which is where we are now. >> let's talk about new york. how confident are you of where new york is right now and moving into the fall and winter which we have all been warned about and scared about? >> yeah, look, you can't be confident in the situation, right? you have the president of the united states running the exact wrong message. i had covid, i am fine. everybody can get covid, everybody will be fine. sure, everybody gets on a
helicopter and goes to walter reed. 200,000 people did not have that service and they're dead. he's running around the country with irresponsible behavior. you will see the viral transmission tick up. i feel that we are doing everything we can in new york and we are as prepared as you can be. we have one of the most infectiilowest infection rate on the globe. we are highly sophisticated in spotting of flare ups or mini clusters. our immune system is highly attuned in new york. the new normal is you are going to constantly have these flare ups. the trick is going to be, do you have the ability to sense that flare up and get there quickly.
is your immune system if you will in the body politics, sophisticated enough where you can detect it and etcetera and then you can deploy resources there before it starts the flame. >> how do you do that? >> positivity rate in the red zone area of 3.7 to 4.13%. how do you go to those clusters. what do you do there? >> yeah. now, this is interesting because what we call a red zone is about 4% or 5% infection rate, right? that's lower than many states infection rate but river to new york, we consider that a flare up. how do we find it? hospitalization data, testing
data and we do more testing than any states in the united states. we get the grandular data, we can get it down to the block level now anderson. i can look at your block and find out who was sick. when we see a small mini cluster, we call them micro cluster. we send in the testing resources and we do a targeted restrictiorestriction closed down for that area. that's the new normal going forward. the analogy to the human body works. the human body gets attack by the viruses dozens every week, the immune system can respond. can a state's immune system responds quickly enough to those flare ups? that's the challenge. in new york, we are very serious with data and we are serious with testing contact tracing and
etcetera, we deploy quickly. if you don't snuff it out, you don't camp it out, it would be a flame. >> your book about leadership and during this crisis. you have got criticisms of people dying at nursing home. given what we now know, is that something you wish you could go back and do it over again? >> that was seized on political opponents. it was totally non-conferennon consequential. people at nursing homes die.
nursing homes were the feeding ground. you look at any states, many people in nursing homes passed away because they are the most vulnerable population. here in new york we are number 46 out of 50 states in terms of nursing home deaths. we had it worst by anyone. we were ambushed by this virus because the government keeps on calling it the chinese virus, meanwhile it came from europe. we are number 46 out of 50 in terms of percentage of deaths. we have tracked what happened in nursing homes and infections went from the working staff when it is community spread back
before anyone realized anything. when the federal government was telling us there was no such thing as asymptomatic spread. now you had to have symptoms to spread it. that was wrong also. nursing home staff brought it in and that was the result. >> we are going to take a quick break. i want to talk about the book and the lessons you learn during this crisis and the politics on donald trump -- later we'll have more, day one questioning for the supreme court's pick, and the grilling she got from amy klobachar.
we are talking with the governor of new york, andrew cuomo, author of the new book "american crisis." governor cuomo, the president is claiming he's immune to the disease saying he received a cure for covid. that kind of messaging while is not true resonates with people more now because he had the illne illness. do you worry about people believing that that there is a cure that he's immune that everybody will be? >> yes, it is not true what he's saying anderson. but, we worry about this
information? sure, we do. we are living with this virus and our responses are one of the worst on the globe because of his information. it has been consistent from day one, right? the virus is going to go away by easter or if it is a miracle. this was a democratic hoax and he gets the virus, the regeneron was a cure. it was not a cure. so, it is all this information except some people believe it. the way the virus works, the people who believe it and won't wear a mask and don't do social distancing, they keep spreading it. that's why this country loses more people per day to covid than any other industrial nations on the globe because he spreads this information and political polarization has now
spread public health information. >> what have you learn about leadership in all this? you look at the president, look, he didn't want to panic people back in the daily news conferences that you would hold which i find it very honest and raw and you said what you knew and what you didn't know -- for a lot of new yorkers, oh, we are all apart of this and we are in this together. >> yeah, i think that's right. intuitively i knew going in that credibility has to be earned. intuiti institution has long creditty. people discount that now. credibility is more personal
than anything else. you have to earn it and prove it. this was a unique moment in time. it still is. people are scared. that's what this is about. it is about the emotion and not the information first. it is about the emotion first. you have to show the same vulnerability that they were feeling. i went first frankly. i communicated 100% genuine, authentic, my emotional truth and my personal truth. i was feeling everything every people were feeling with my daughters and family and my mother. i was afraid and i didn't know where we were. i felt like we were living in a science-fiction movie. i trusted the people. i gave them the information, i never sugar-coated anything. i didn't believe what trump
says. well, i didn't want to panic the people. you are not a babysitter. you are a representative, people believe the truth and facts. they're responsible people and smart. that's what new yorkers did. you do it in a way that empowers people and unify people. our states have so many divisions, upstates and down states and sexual orientations and religions. we were united in a way that i never felt it. it was inspiring to me and it gave me energy and that's what keeps me going. that's what the book is about. when you give them information and you trust them, they respond. that's the hope that keeps me going with all this president and the white house and all this politi
politics. people are good and smart, i am trying to go right to the people and give them the information because i believe they'll act responsively. >> i know it is impossible to say. when do you this i the next time in new york city anybody can walk into a restaurant eat inside and not having to wear a mask, just have a normal night out in a restaurant with other people? >> it would have to be, you have to twdevelop a vaccine. you have to administer the 20 million people. it would be months and months or a year at least, at least. i believe before you get to that full normal if you will. >> you mentioned your daughters. you write about you tried to make a $10 bet with your
daughter that president trump will lose the election and claim voter fraud, and the court will ruled against him. your daughter did not take the bet. you put even money on that today. are you still sure of that today? >> look, do i see a scenario when trump loses an election? >> yes. do i believe bill barr is his political tool? yes. do they think they can bring a case on voter fraud which they have been talking about for weeks, anderson, right? you always know where they are going if you listen to them. they been building this voter fraud case, they go to the supreme court like bush v. gore,
i think they will win it at the supreme court. that's their hope and that's why they want the confirmation now everyone thou. i think they're planning to win at the supreme court and my optimistic self says the supreme court is going to think of the supreme court first and their integrity and they're not going to want to look like a political shield but that's what the wager is about. >> governor andrew cuomo, i appreciate your time. "american crisis: leadership lessons and covid-19 pandemic." just came out. thanks governor. >> thank you, anderson. amy klobachar will talk about what amy coney barrett would and more often would not answer.
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democrats today. short time ago kamala harris spoke about amy coney barrett's impact on the affordable care act also known as obamacare. >> republicans are scrambling to confirm this nominee as fast as possible because they need one more trump's judge on the bench before november 10th to win and strike down the entire affordable care act. this is not hyperbole. this is not a hypothetical. this is happening. >> our next guest is amy klobachar questioning. >> judge barrett, is it illegal to intimidate voters at the polls? >> i can't characterize the facts and the hypothetical situations and i can't apply the law. >> okay, i make it easier.
anyone who intimidates, threatens or attempts to interfering of the right of other person to vote. this is the law that's been in the book for decades. do you think a reasonable person would feel intimidated by the president of arms of civilian groups at the groups of the polls. >> senator klobachar, i am not saying if it is illegal opinion for me. a reasonable person standard as you know is just an opinion as a citizen. it is not something appropriate for me to comment on. >> joining me now is senator klobachar. i appreciate you being here. >> i was pretty shocked. this is not a court opinion.
this is a law on the books. i was just making a point that's very relevant because as you know a contractor from outside of my state was trying to recruit outsiders former special forces, that's what they asked for to come in and stand at the poll places in minnesota. by the way, that's illegal, i want to make it clear on your show even though she would not talk about it. you can't intimidate people. there are all kinds of rules. that's why i asked it and i was shocked as well as the fact that she has a previous opinion she wrote a dissent in which she really down played voting rights to me and talking to them as civic rights as opposed to individual rights. we are losining a seat, of ruth
bader ginsburg here. i don't want someone that does not share justice ruth bader ginsburg's profound amendment rights. she talked about how congress should have the reign. she talked about it in that case how you should not be throwing out the protection for the voting rights act. as i asked the judge today, they got thrown out because of the majority and now over 20 states having enacted laws that suppressed votes. ruth bader ginsburg was right. judge amy coney barrett wuould not agree she was right. >> is it fair to assume she would go to donald trump and she would not be hold to him for job security, let's say give her the benefit of the doubt. >> let's look at what he has said. he wants nine justices on the
court after the election. he made it clear. he went as far to say that they could count the ballot. that was a recent statement he made. it is clear what he's thinking. he sent out every sign. i think she could recuse herself and we asked herself today and she would not commit doing that if there is any kind of an election case that runs before the court. when a case came before their court, they had been on the trump list of potential u.s. supreme court and they recuse themselves. >> we heard from senator harris before of the challenges of the supreme court to affordable care act. judge barrett says she's quote "not hostile to the aca." how do you square her answers on that? >> well, when i said today
finally because she won't commit to where she is on it. i said in northern minnesota, growing up there and my mom would take me on these walks and we would look deer tracks and we would follow those and it is a mystery where they go. i don't think it is a mystery. what we have to do is follow her track. when you follow the track of her record, what do you see? she criticized justice robert for upholding the affordable care act. she was poignant in her critici criticism. she says skepticcalia has the s argument. scalia is her mentor. you can follow those tracks very, very clearly and they point you in the poll lamar opp
of what ruth bader ginsburg stood for her whole life. >> there is not a path where the judge did not get confirmed, is that correct? >> that's a different path, anderson. i made that point yesterday in my opening that we don't have clever procedural tricks with the way the rules are. i don't think you will see incredible cross-examination that's going to change the pra je trajectory of this judge. one thing can change is the american people. people who have had it, thinking we should be working on a relief cov covid packet instead of sitting in that hearing room. this is what you should be doing right now. the people should choose the president and the president should choose the justice and
get a covid package relief done. i think many of them have and where this judge is coming from, if anything it should want to make them want to vote. >> we need a different leader of the senate and different senate. >> senator klobachar, we appreciate your time. >> thank you, anderson. a kidnapping focusing on michigan's governor. a second governor was potentially targeted. details when we return. earch that i've started to do on ancestry. having ancestry to fill in the gaps with documents, with photographs, connecting in real time means that we're having conversations that are richer. i have now a closer relationship with my grandfather. i can't think of a better gift to give to my daughter and the generations that come after her. bring your family history to life like never before. get started for free at ancestry.com
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brynn gingras. >> reporter: virginia's governor northam was also eyed by the 13 men. >> we continue work under a cloud of intimidation and i will continue to serve virginia. >> reporter: the new detail were revealed during a bond hearing. the others were charged at the state level. in an early june meeting the group discussed possible targets including taking out a sitting governor, governors of michigan and virginia over shutdown orders due to the coronavirus. whitmer and northam both democrats and criticized
particul particularly by the president. >> we would go after virginia, they want to take your second amendment away, right? >> reporter: trump singled out the two dates. liberate virginia and liberate michigan. >> people find meanings in those words and these things happen and it is regrettable. the white house said in a statement that the president condemns white supremacists and passing the blame on the governors. it is not clear if the group's plan were inspired by the president's tweets. they did carry out the kidnapper by election day. in another option the agent tested wanted to take her out on a boat and leave her out in the
middle of michigan and disable her engine. >> i would never imagine anything like this. >> reporter: a federal complaint showing the men, some recruited from wolverine watchmen connected to rallies and on social media. together they planned and practiced and conducted the execution of the kidnapping. brynn gingras, cnn new york. >> with us former prosecutor jeffery toobin, elizabeth. are you surprised of the kidnap also including governor northam. what the scope the suspects was
interested in? >> yeah, i am not surprised. i am sure we'll find more tidbits that draw similar connections. i don't think that what we are dealing with, we have a group of people that were antigovernment. the pandemic increased their antagonism towards the government. when you add somebody like the president putting more rhetoric on their to liberate michigan and liberate virginia. he's using political rhetoric. groups like these, they view that as a call to arms. so the caution for all leadership is to realize we are in a very tense situation within our country, the pandemic makes it tense and the election period makes makes it tense.
every leader has the responsibility to be cautious and how it is interpreted by a threat actor. >> is it weird that the attorney general had not publicly commented on this case? it involves two sitting governors and it seems like a big deal for the justice department in the fbi. >> we live in a country where it is rare that governors get kidnapped and have violent threats against them. you would think that's something the attorney general would want to call attention to. what we see with general barr, he only calls attention to donald trump's enemies. he's happy to talk about antifa and the violence in portland and seattle and those should be prosecuted. this threat is much bigger and worth mentions. today we learned in "the washington post" that one of his big investigations of so-called
unmasking of people that supposedly the obama administration unmasked people who were intelligence intercepts and that was because the whole thing turned out to be so bogus. that's what the attorney general is interested in, not the actual threat of these militia groups. >> wait a minute, all that -- the unmasking stuff, which has been talked about on, you know, fox on and on and on and on, all amounts to nothing? >> john bash, the u.s. attorney in charge of that investigation left the justice department this week without filing a report. the whole thing went away. we have the president of the united states calling for barack obama and joe biden to be indicted and prosecuted for their role in this, and it's nothing. it's absolutely nothing. >> elizabeth, you know, for the second time in less than a week,
the white house placed the blame on the governors involved, accusing them of outlandish allegations for saying that the president's rhetoric is at least partial will i to blame. does that echo your experience in this white house? >> no, absolutely not, anderson. i thought that there -- even the most recent statement saying they condemn white supremacy tells me they're not paying attention. it's also possible some of them held white nationalist views but this is a different threat of anti-government streamists. they had some qanon adherence, bugaloo boys. it was a different group, and they seem not to be paying attention now five days later. more interest in the keeping blame on two governors subject of a kidnapping plot. it kind op boggles the mind how much they're not interested in
doing their jobs and just seemingly answering the mail so they can get back to running a re-election campaign. >> and it's not -- this is not new. if you listen to their rhetoric, it's timothy mcvay, terry mcnichols. >> thank you. with the election three week trs today, florida's 29 electoral vets are critical. one voting bloc there considered key, those 65 and older.
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former vice president biden spent most of day campaigning in florida. president trump held a rally in the state yesterday, and he's retu returning on friday. trump won florida back had 2016 with a lot of help from voters 65 and older. there's signs that voting blocs could change. randy kay is on the ground and has been talking with some of florida seniors. >> definitely going to vote for joe biden. there's nothing that donald trump can do at this point this time that would change my mind about that. >> reporter: that's a huge statement coming from this life long republican who voted for trump in 2016. but he's 67, a senior citizen and part of the group considered one of the most vulnerable to covid-19. he's so turned off by trump, he's now a registered
independent and biden supporter. he says trump's mismanagement of the pandemic was the final straw, especially his messaging on masks. >> the fact that he's not listening to the scientists is really concerning and the fact he's ignoring and it doing the opposite is dangerous. >> do you fwloobelieve the pres when he says a vaccine is just days or weeks now? >> new york he's lied about it. whatever comes out of his mouth you just don't believe. >> reporter: this senior also supported trump in 2016 rj but not this time. even though he's republican. >> didn't give me the truth. >> didn't want anybody to panic. >> that's a wonderful thing, however wouldn't it be nice for us to have all the information and then make our decisions? >> reporter: unlike his neighbors, this republican is voting trump just like he did in 2016. at 74 he says it's about
personal responsibility, that seniors should know how to protect themselves. we see an increase in cases in 32 states. 215,000 americans are dead, wisconsin is opening a field hospital. hospitalizations are up once again. how did he handle that well? >> we deliver health care in this country through state and local government. the federal government has a responsibility to support that. we have to look at how those state haves handled the pandemic within their own regions and whether or not they have done a good job -- >> so you're saying it's not the president's fault. >> i'm saying the president is not the sole responsible person for how the pandemic was handled. >> reporter: tell that to florida voter michelle yeager who's turning 70 this week. she blames trump's attitude and lack of action early on on how the virus spread and won't vote for him again. she was a registered republican in 2016 when she voted for trump
but switched to independent and is voting for biden. >> had he listened to the cdc and fauci and the leaders who are the science leaders, we might have been able to save many, many lives. but because of him and him being -- having narcissism and being ego driven, he thought it was macho not to wear a mask. >> randy joins me now. i'm wondering what the voter told you, how that compares to the polling on senior voters. >> reporter: some of the polls are tighter than others. if you look at a recent cnn national poll for voters 65 and older, biden has 60% support. donald trump has 39% support. but there's also this "new york times" sienna college, so not a national poll, biden has 47%, trump has 50%, so much closer. one of the biden supporters told me today his republican friends,
close friends, who he thinks are moving towards biden but afraid to say so. but the biden supporters also like him for the fact that he's going to keep the affordable care act in tact and keep that for the millions of americans that won't lose their health insurance. >> appreciate it. thanks very much. the news continues. want to hand it over the chris for "cuomo primetime." >> thank you, appreciate it. welcome to "cuomo primetime". literally if this were the fight, the campaign, we are in the last round. this three weeks, this is it. you're going to see both campaigns coming with everything they've got. biden is making sure he doesn't get put in a corner. he's moving around the ring, going to the places he needs to, his hands are up, because he believes he's ahead in points. trump on the other hand knows he needs a knockout. he is going for broke. every punch is a haymaker. he's swinging wildly. every line is an insult. every rally is likely to get someone sick.
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