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we're glad you're with us this morning. very sad news as the covid surge continues. new coronavirus cases and hospitalizations are way up across the country. more than 220,000 americans have lost their lives as of this morning to this pandemic, with just two weeks until election day, the president's closing strategy downplayed this virus and he seems more interested in fighting the guy giving us facts. this morning dr. fauci responds to the recent attacks. >> many states doing reasonably well are now showing upticks. that's what we should be concentrating on. all the other is a distraction. it's like "the godfather," nothing personal, strictly business as far as i'm concerned. >> dr. fauci not taking the bait there. it comes as he and other top officials warn of a long road ahead that the saddest days in
the pandemic are ahead of us still. president trump denying those facts this morning on fox. >> we are living with it. and we're having the vaccines coming out very soon, with or without the vaccines we're rounding the turn. we understand the disease. there will be no shutdowns. we have to open up. we live with it. we open up our schools. >> let's go to cnn's john harwood for more on the president's comment this is morning and his continuing, really, approach to the worsening outbreak. >> reporter: jim, what we've got is a situation where coronavirus is the top issue in the election. president trump has given up trying to fight it. and he's trying to justify his failure to control the virus so far. he's doing it in two ways. one is embracing the advice of scott atlas, who's not an infectious disease specialist, but who's arguing under one term or the other we should have a herd immunity strategy. he's also trying to discredit
dr. anthony fauci who leads the health community who thinks the administration is not being aggressive enough. it's tricky because polls show the american public believes fauci more than trump. but the trump campaign is including him in the campaign ads so president trump has to discredit him gently. >> he's a nice guy. the only thing i have to say is he's a little bit sometimes not a team player. but he is a democrat. and i think he's just fine. >> dr. anthony fauci is not a partisan figure, served both parties, beginning with ronald reagan. a new poll this morning shows that 37% of the american people agree with the president that the worst is behind us, but 51%, a majority of the americans say the worst is ahead of us.
that closely resembles joe biden's advantage over president trump in the national polling. >> troubling. thank you, john, very much. >> elizabeth cohen is with us. good morning, elizabeth. >> good morning. >> in addition to the spike in cases, these record hospitalizations in 14 states, are happening. >> let's look at a map that shows us those 14 states. these are -- again, this is so important to remember. it's not just the cases, it's the hospitalizations that we also want to focus on. so record hospitalizations in these states, and if you look nationwide, you can see what we're unfortunately headed back up to that very high hospitalization rate that we had in july. that is not the direction we want to be going on, especially since we're headed towards winter when more people will be indoors so the virus can spread more easily. let's look in particular at some of the states experiencing those record hospitalizations. across the country, it's more
than 37,000 reported yesterday. ohio, had more than 1,100 in their state. oklahoma, kentucky, montana, nebraska are following. and i think, you know, one of the things to remember here is that the united states is huge. so, you know, it started with a horrible situation in new york and it sort of moved around the country and you can see that we're really looking at large areas of the midwest that are experiencing these highs now. poppy, jim? >> folks waiting for a vaccine now, the head of the nih said this morning unlikely a vaccine authorized before election day or even late november. what are the experts saying about the most likely timing of at least one approved vaccine? >> there are two that are neck and neck, pfizer and moderna. with pfizer being a little further ahead. the head of their company -- or
actually moderna is saying they think they could have some data in december. let's look at where the four trials are at. pfizer said they could possibly have data to go to the fda to get an authorization in late november. but i want to emphasize here, and i can't emphasize this enough, they say they possibly could have positive data. they're not sure the data is going to look good. they might have data, but it could look terrible, hopefully it looks good. moderna is a little bit behind them, thinking they could have data in december, that data may not be good, might not show it works, we're hoping it works. astrazeneca and johnson & johnson those trials are on pause while they look at what's going on, astrazeneca had two people become ill and johnson & johnson one.
so they're hoping half of them will have data to show to the fda in mid november. emphasis on might. >> joining us is dr. del rio, always good to have you on. >> good to be with you. >> you heard elizabeth's update on when data would come on. we had dr. paul on in the last hour. approval coming the next couple months, how about broad availability of this? he said not till the middle, end of next year that all of us can be likely to get one. do you agree with that or might it come earlier? >> he's absolutely right. if we have a vaccine, let's assume that everything goes well and we get our vaccine by december, january the first rules of the vaccine -- the first roll out is going to be to first responders, people at
higher risk, and then it gets to a tiered approach and getting it to everybody, the last phase, is not going to be until the second or third quarter of next year. the two vaccines that elizabeth was talking about, the pfizer and moderna vaccine, i'm an investor on t investigator on the moderna, they are vaccines that need two doz doses and need to be refriger e refrigerated. so you have to go to specific sites to get it. and vaccinating millions of americas is going to be a significant effort. >> what about to the point about a vaccine, actually application and distribution? a bunch of states are waving their hands here saying we don't have the funds yet to figure out an equitable distribution plan for the vaccine once we get it. right. because keeping it at negative
70 degrees, that's not easy. that's not like your home refrigerator or any doctor's office. so how big of a crisis is that potentially? >> absolutely, poppy. that's a major issue because states are submitting their plans about what to do. the cdc requested those plans. that's right. to then allocate the resources because you have to figure out, like having vaccination points in cities and counties and municipalities that you can then tell people to go to. i suspect in order to avoid crowding, you'll have to make an appointment. you won't be able to just walk up and get a vaccine, the amount of vaccine necessary at those places. as i said, setting the infrastructure for minus 70 is nothing cheap. those refrigerators run 5 to $6,000 apiece. >> the challenge is enormous there. a growing problem is reluctance to take this vaccine, at least based on the public polling down
to around 50% in cnn's measure of this. people have been bombarded by misinformation about the vaccine. what country needs to take it, have confidence to take it and have access to it to put this virus under control successfully? >> we need to do a back of the envelope calculation. depends on the efficacy of the vaccine. we're sure this isn't going to be like a peasmeezle vaccine wi 90% efficacy. this is going to be more like 60%. so you need to make sure 60% of the country are immunized with a vaccine that has 60% efficacy, you probably have to vaccinate close to 80, 90% of the country. this is not simple. that's why i tell people, the vaks se vaccine is not an immediate
solution. for the meantime we have a vaccine. we can wear a mask. and wearing a mask decreases transmission of this virus. we need to continue wearing masks. this is not a, we have a vaccine we don't have to wear it more. >> and the kids won't have a vaccine for long after we have a vaccine. dr. rio, thank you. the president clearly taking a page out of his 2016 playbook these final two weeks. hitting the trail and his opponents hard. will it work this time around? >> we're following breaking news this hour. the department of justice is now suing google accusing the tech giant of stifling competition. when i was in high school, this was the theater i came to quite often. the support we've had over the last few months has been amazing. it's not just a work environment. everyone here is family.
two weeks until election day, 14 days, but tens of millions of americans have already cast their ballots. both candidates now in an attempt to win over undecided voters, biden/harris, trump/pence. trump of course part of that attacking even some of his own advisers. >> in the past few days we've seen him lash out at everyone from dr. fauci to the debate commission as well as the media. let's bring in john avalon and white house correspondent anita kumar. good morning. >> good morning. >> good to have you both here. i want to start with you, john avalon, to that point just made about all of the attacks from the president. it's not new but doesn't have the approach of trying to broaden the base. i ask you this because republican congressman jonathan rooney, who is leaving congress
admittedly, is kind of fete up but listen to what he said about the base. >> i think it could continue to undermine the republican party's ability to keep the government. there's been a lot of damage. >> there's been a lot of damage. what happens to the senate, john, is the question? does the president see what this can bring? >> i don't think the president cares about anyone other than himself. that's the problem the republicans are confronting, which is why you see some republicans bring distance between themselves and donald trump, because they recognize he's a drag on their general election prospects. it's the flip side of the calculation they made headed into the primaries because they're afraid of the base. i know the base loves donald trump, so they were afraid to speak out and say their truth. good for congressman rooney, but it's easier to speak out and grow a spine in this political context when you're not seeking re-election. so frankly a little too late.
but you'll hear more republicans start to distance themselves because donald trump seems to be self-destructing and runs the risk of taking the ticket down with him. >> to rooney's credit he was willing to express criticism of the president before he announced his desire not to return again. >> but not vote for impeachment. >> right. anita, if i could speak to you about the biden/harris strategy for the final stretch run here. what's their message, where are they focussing that message? >> they definitely are going to try to do what they have been doing, which is a disciplined message on two things, the coronavirus, of course, and also what joe biden likes to call the soul of our nation, how to get the country back to civil with each other, that people can get
along. you'll see him doing those things and senator harris doing those things. obviously the debate is on thursday, that's an important moment for joe biden, he's going to try not to get upset, he's going to try to stay disciplined on that message, not let donald trump interrupt a lot of times. but they're going to do the events that are small, talk about how they're listening to scientists, and they're not doing big rallies like donald trump. and you see both sides in the swing states we're familiar with, both sides are in pennsylvania this week. donald trump will be there tonight. we'll see some of those same changes or differences between the two of them. >> john avalon, again, two republicans speaking out. i'm going to try this one more time. senator lamar alexander, who also is retiring at the end of the term but listen to what he said yesterday about dr. fauci when the president attacked him. dr. fauci is one of our country's most distinguished public servants, if more americans paid attention to his
advise we'd have fewer cases of covid-19 and it would be savfer to go back to school and eat out. meaningful or lip service? >> again, lamar alexander, voted against hearing from witnesses in the impeachment -- >> i'm asking about fauci. >> i understand that. but you're asking about whether it's too late. donald trump fighting with dr. fauci is obviously malpractice he's a font of misinformation when it comes to the covid-19 crisis. but that should be table stakes, that's just a statement of truth. >> to your point, post impeachment you had folks like senator collins say the president learned a lesson here. we've seen the president applied pressure internationally to his
perceived advantage at home. we have another debate as poppy was saying in a couple days, with new rules a mute button at least active for the first couple of minutes for their comments here. will that work? >> i'm not sure. because as you just indicated, it's not for the whole debate. it's just for these segments at the very beginning. so what it does ensure is that both sides, donald trump and joe biden, get to speak uninterru uninterrupted for these couple of minutes at the beginning of each segment. that's good, people should be able to hear the contrast. but what happens in the other part of the debate is unclear. will donald trump go after joe biden and not let him have a say? i will tell you that people close to the president want him to do something different this time. they don't want him interrupting. they want him to leave joe biden room to, you know, as they say make a mistake or have a gaffe. they feel that was a mistake last time that donald trump looked like he was being
aggressive but he didn't let joe biden make his own mistakes. so they've been counseling for him to do that on thursday. we'll see if the president is able to do it. oftentimes he gets advice but doesn't listen to it. >> that's the backhanded version of spin. >> can you imagine if the moderator had to mute. i can't imagine that pressure. at least there's not that pressure. thanks, guys. >> john and anita, thanks to both of you. cnn's special coverage of the debates starts thursday at 7:00 p.m. eastern time. early voting in wisconsin starts today. could we see the record turnout we've seen in many other states? we'll be watching. when the pandemic shook our city,
scott wiener immediately went to work, making sure families could put food on their tables, defending renters facing eviction, securing unemployment benefits, helping neighborhood businesses survive. scott wiener will never stop working until california emerges from this crisis. the bay area needs scott's continued leadership in sacramento. because we know scott is fighting for all of us. re-elect scott wiener for state senate. the u.s. supreme court has dealt the republicans a major blow in their fight against mail-in voting. on monday the high court rejected the attempts to require mail-in ballots in pennsylvania to all be received by election night, to be counted instead, ballots will be counted if they're received within three
days of november 3rd. >> notably chief justice john roberts decided with the liberal justices to make it a 4-4 deadlock, that means the lower court's ruling holds. pennsylvania and wisconsin are not allowed to begin processing absentee ballots until election day. wisconsin kicks off in-person early vote today amid a record number of covid-19 cases there. they got a question about how long after telection day the ballots can be received and counted. >> the city has taken several steps to keep their polls safe in this pandemic. >> reporter: that's right. people in wisconsin, milwaukee in particular, have having to walk that that covid balance and that duty of voting more than anywhere else in the country. there's a line before the doors
opened up on this first day of early voting. but as you talked to the people who decided to show up in the person, they wanted to make sure their voices were heard. as one person told me, they felt the mail system was i have fiff. one voter, tell me why you're coming out here on day one. >> reporter: i wanted -- >> i wanted to avoid the lines of inperson voting and what trump is doing with the mail system is making the mail system iffy. so it's the first day, i'm here to get it done bright and early. >> reporter: had you voted by mail in the past? >> i had not. i had registered in in the last
election but never received my ballot. >> reporter: we both have masks on here, as has been mandated here in the state. were you nervous at all coming out knowing you're seeing record numbers here in wisconsin and with a positivity rate over 20%. >> a little bit because i know in the last election they reduced polling places down to five in the city. it did create long lines. that situation kind of makes you think ahead and make a plan to vote. so my plan was do it the first day i could. bright and early, there's not many people here right now so it's the best time to do it. >> reporter: thank you. be safe. thank you for taking the time. and again people here in wisconsin walking that line maybe more so than anywhere else in the country. significantly affected by the pandemic but also knowing that wisconsin could play a significant role in this election as well. >> for sure it will. thank you for being there, omar,
thank you for that reporting. right now there are hours left until house speaker nancy pelosi's self-imposed deadline to reach a stimulus deal with the white house. a package that would bring relief to millions of americans before they vote. >> the president once again saying he wants a very big stimulus deal, bigger than what the democrats want. remember he cancelled this a week ago. manu raju is on the hill with where things stand. i think it's tragic, a, that nothing has gotten done but then, b, the president cancels it and then i want a bigger deal. >> the republicans are not on the same page ability what should be included in the next round of stimulus. the senate republicans are moving to bring up a bill the democrats have blocked, $500 billion worth of stimulus provisions including money for schools, unemployment insurance not as much as the democrats want.
democrats are expected to block that again. that $500 billion is nowhere near what nancy pelosi and steve mnuchin are talking about right now. they're talking around the $2 trillion range at the moment. an even though the administration, house democrats appear to be closer on the price tag. there are a whole score of policy issues that continue to divide the two parties, whether it's funding for schools, those jobless benefits, the amount of money that should be given for the elections, in addition to covid testing and tracing. that has been a big sticking point for days, how that money would be divided. as well as funding for state and local governments which has been a major sticking point for weeks and weeks. the two sides have gotten a little closer, but there are still significant divisions. pelosi wants to see if they can get a deal by the end of the day today because of the legislative process, it will take time to get to the house and the senate, and will the senate even take up a deal that can be reached in
this price range? mitch mcconnell has not committed to that yet. and senate republicans i talked to yesterday made it unclear they would unlikely get through anything that big. so a lot of skepticism on the hill to reach anything. >> gaps not just between p republicans and the democrats. manu raju thanks very much. 14 days before election day. 14 days, the u.s. charges six russian intelligence officers with major cyber attacks against this country. did congress, the trump administration, fail to protect our democracy with all we experienced in 2016, i'll speak to a member of the foreign relations committee that knows a lot about this next.
welcome back. so the trump administration and the department of justice is suing google today in what is the largest anti-trust case against a tech company in more than 20 years. we've been following this. this is the biggest since microsoft. what is the doj alleging here? >> reporter: it's the biggest anti-trust case against a tech company in a decade here. they're saying google controls 80% of the market in the united states and they're using its power to hurt rifles and damage competition. doj's deputy attorney general
said nothing is off the table in terms of remedies, which could include a breakup of google. google for its part says, let me read you a quick statement they just put out. today's lawsuit by the department of justice is deeply flawed. people use google because they choose to, not because they're forced to or because they can't find alternatives. we'll have a full statement this morning. this comes days before tech companies, including google who have been criticized for their role in effecting democracy. this case could have dramatic inf implications for not just google but the entire tech industry at large with downstream effects for our elections. >> i interviewed google's ceo a little over a year ago and asked him about reporting that this case may be coming. and his answer to me was we know
there's scrutiny, we welcome the scrutiny. they're getting it now. but my question is, can they force google to break up? wouldn't that take many acts of congress? >> congress doesn't have the power to break up google, only the courts do through anti-trust law. but remember there is is going e a years long process for this court proceeding and it could, theoretically, lead to a breakup of google. >> thank you for the reporting. millions of americans have already voted, and my next guest says that russia is actively trying to help president trump win and doing it more so than in 2016. with me democratic senator chris murphy of connecticut. senator, thanks for taking the time this morning. >> good morning. >> you spoke earlier this month about reports of a multi-layer
russian effort to help trump in 2020, bigger than what they did in 2016. i'm quoting you from twitter. how exactly? >> let me just first be clear that it's not an allegation being made by me or any other partisan that russia is attempting to manipulation the election on behalf of president trump that's the assessment of the intelligence community, that's the dni's assessment. they have not put a lot of meat on those bones to try to protect sources and methods, i can confirm that their campaign of misinformation, propaganda and interference is bigger, broader and more problematic than it was in 2016. in particular because the russians this time around have decided to cultivate u.s. citizens as assets. they are attempting to try to spread their propaganda in the main stream media, rather than just relying on bots and
facebook posts as they largely were four years ago and they've been successful. rudy giuliani is effectively a russian asset at this point. i think made some significant ground above and beyond what they were doing four years ago. >> that's a significant charge. i do know, it's a fact, that trump's own treasury department has designated a ukrainian politician that giuliani has met with more than once, the treasury department described him as a russian agent for more than a decade. are you saying in effect that giuliani is cooperating with russian disinformation here? >> listen, i certainly can't say whether giuliani knows that he has been put in the position of spreading russian misinformation except durkoch has been labeled a russian agent.
and as recently as a few days ago, rudy giuliani is saying he's not sure if that's true. it's 50/50 whether he's a russian agent. no it's 100%, our own intelligence agencies have said it, the treasury department sanctioned him. so the fact that rudy giuliani is providing excuses to keep him and the russian fsb as a conduit to him for misinformation that could harm president biden should make everybody suspicious about his motives. >> i want to talk about details of documents purported detailing business dealings of hunter biden. the fbi is investigating whether they are or are not tied to russian disinformation. you have called these emails as part of a anti-biden propaganda campaign. have you seen intelligence that backs that assessment?
>> the fact that these emails come into the public sphere from rudy giuliani, the fact that andre durkoch seems to know more about these emails than anybody else, tells you where they're coming from. at some point you have to believe what you see, which is that individuals who are identified russian agents or are conspireing with russian agents are providing the information upon which main stream media are reporting, you have to understand what the deal is here. and again, i'm not alone here. 50 high level intelligence agents came out and said that this is most likely russian propaganda. >> there's the disinformation aspect of russian interference both in 2016, 2018, and 2020. there is the greater fear of russian interference with actual voting systems. and in 2016 we knew there were probing attacks into voter registrati
registration systems, for instance, and obama warned putin directly, saying don't mess with voter systems and russia did not. in 2020 how concerned are you, the intelligence community, concerned that russia will take that next step and interfere with systems? >> i believe we'll have a free and fair election. i don't believe any citizen should be worried whether or not their name is going to show up on a list. that's in part because we have spent significant money from the federal government and states to beef up protections of our voting lists and systems. so we have less evidence that russia is trying to manipulate the voting systems than we do they're trying to manipulate the media narrative. so i have pretty good confidence we'll be able to rebuff any attempts that russia does make to try to compromise our voting mechanics. >> i want to ask you a final
question just about the vote. because there's a continuing legal battle under way about what is in effect voter access. how long absentee ballots will be counted, do they have to be postmarked before election day, a host of things. and a consistent dynamic of this is that the republican party, in states, is for greater restrictions and democrats are pushing, rather, for broader access here. why is that? in your view. >> i think donald trump and his acolytes know if everybody votes, donald trump loses and the republicans lose the senate. when came to the senate not long ago, about eight years ago, republicans and democrats were for the voting rights act. we disagreed on plenty of stuff but agreed we should help people vote. it's amazing that voting has become a partisan issue, democrats want people to vote, republicans don't want people to vote.
that's what's playing out in courts across the country. if everybody has the ability to vote, donald trump is not going to be the president. but if the president is successful in keeping people from voting, especially those people who may be bad for his candidacy, maybe he has a shot. >> senator chris murphy thanks for joining us this morning. >> thanks. >> ahead, china is rolling out an experimental vaccine in terms of trials and people are lining up to get it. we'll take you there for a live report ahead. when i was in high school, this was the theater i came to quite often. the support we've had over the last few months has been amazing. it's not just a work environment. everyone here is family. if you are ready to open your heart and your home, check us out. we thought for sure that we were done. and this town said: not today. ♪
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a strategy to keep the surge in control. >> thanks very much. david cullivver is in shang where people are lining up for a limited experimental vaccine. david? >> reporter: this is kind of strange to have heard this surface here in china first. it's seeming the first rollout to the general public so we thought initially. there are some caveats to the folks qualifying for this. but it's in a city about four hours from shanghai, it has manufacturing imports and experts so it makes sense for people who want to travel abroad to get the vaccine. but what was fascinating you had people all over china flocking to the city to get the vaccine. that tells us they're not just concerned about the situation here because it's near normal in china but they want to get back to their lives in other
countries, in europe, back in the u.s. where you are, they want to resume the travel. they seem to trust this vaccine. all of the vaccines are in phrase three trials they hve not been approved and released here. but the trust is an issue, something that surfaces in a lot of mind here, mishandling, signs of a cover up, silencing whistle-blowers. but it seems the chinese government is not going to want to put something out there that is ineffective because that could backfire in an amazing way. >> it could. david thank you for the live reporting this morning. thanks for all of you joining us this morning. we'll see you tomorrow i'm poppy harlow. >> i'm jim sciutto, "newsroom" with john king starts right after a short break. journey res liberty mutual. they customize your car insurance so you only pay for what you need. liberty power!
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hello, everybody. i'm john king in washington. thank you for sharing this busy news day with us. we're two weeks from election day and the united states crossing a new milestone in the coronavirus fight. 220,000 american deaths. the president this morning predicts another comeback win. joe biden off the campaign trail preparing for thursday's final debate. the president treks to pennsylvania, that state a critical piece of his 2016 surprise. but polling this time shows him consistently trailing. in a morning fox news interview, this closing message. >> the bottom line, the american dream, the great american dream versus being a socialist hell hole because they're going to turn us into a socialist nation. we'll be no different than venezuela. i'll tell you what, it can happen. it can happen. all of the crime is coming out of democrat states. republicans are doing incredibly on crime,