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co-vid catastrophe. >> we are at high tide and the hurricane is hitting. it's time to cancel everything. ? there is hope on the horizon. ? help is on the way. vaccines are imminent. >> plus president-elect biden reaffirms a campaign promise. >> it will be the single most diverse cabinet that's ever existed in the united states of america. >> and will last night's trump campaign rally help or hurt the gop in georgia? >> they cheat and they rigged our presidential election. we can't let it happen again.
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>> welcome to "inside politics". it was hard to imagine when this pandemic started some ten months ago that we would be ending 2020 still so deep in crisis. but that is where we are. thousands of americans are dying every single day of covid-19. two deaths every minute. just yesterday 213,875 new cases. 101,190 in the hospital. 2,254 more confirmed deaths and yes, this is the global pandemic, but things in the u.s. are a lot worse than elsewhere in the world. one example, there were more than 440,000 new confirmed covid-19 cases in the past two days here in the u.s. that's more cases than canada has had ever. the numbers on that graphic are not a typo. according to the cdc, at least 25,000 more americans are likely to die of covid-19 by christmas.
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>> december and january and february are going to be rough times. i actually believe they're going to be the most difficult time in the public health history of this nation. >> despite how grim things are now, there is good news on the horizon. vaccines are coming. the government projects that 20 million people will be vaccinated by the end of the year. but a new model says that even with the vaccine rollout, there are likely more deaths ahead of us than behind us. the institute for health metrics and evaluation predicts nearly 540,000 deaths by april 1st. the numbers are really hard to digest. here's some context. that's like wiping out a mid-sized city. it's more people than live in kansas city or minneapolis or sacramento. listen to this doctor in minnesota describe what it's like. >> i think that sometimes when you hear statistics like that, you become numb to what those
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numbers mean. but for us, you know, the people that are taking care of these patients, every single number is somebody that we have to look at and say i'm sorry, there's nothing more i can do for you, and it's just another family we have to call to tell them that their loved ones are going to die. >> joining us now with their per spktive and insights, dr. lena when and dr. meghan ranny. dr. wen, the statistics are horrific and getting worse. the case curve is on the screen. you're familiar with it. it's what it looks like today. have we just begun to see the post thanksgiving surge? is that's what's happening? >> we're still at the beginning of the effects of thanksgiving. we knew that we were going to have the surge upon a surge because after every major
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holiday we did see a surge, but we're only a week out after thanksgiving. in the weeks to come leading up to christmas, we're going to see even more exponential rise in the number of cases. our hospitals are already at the brink. and they are just at the brink of becoming so overwhelmed that patients are going to get less than ideal care and so i just hope everyone listening and watching will understand that hospitals are the last line of defense. they are not the first line of defense. the first line of defense is what happens in communities and right now we really need everyone's help to hunker down to flatten that curve once again, because otherwise we have a catastrophe on our hands that's worse than any of us can possibly imagine even now. >> i really hope people are listening to you, and doctor, none of this surprises viewers who have been listening to you on this program for months. you've been warning americans about headlines like we're seeing on the screen that are popping up all across the country. staffing shortages, supply
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shortages, bed shortages. hospitals across the country are really hurting, and that includes your own state of rhode island which started sending patients to temporary field hospitals. what happens now? >> i wish i knew. we are absolutely on the brink of a crisis. we've opened the field hospitals here in rhode island, but we're having trouble getting adequate staff for it. the trouble isn't just beds. it's also doctors, nurses, techs, physical therapists. all the people who make up the system to take care of the patients. if they're working their hardest that their home states, there's no one to come to my state and help out. and we're at the brink now, but what we see as we look ahead is even worse. as dr. wen mentioned, we're just heading into the thanksgiving surge. we have christmas ahead of us.
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folks are already exhausted. people are tired of staying home, and i'll tell you, i hear in the er that people are still going out, still seeing their families. and so i get so worried about what is ahead in the weeks to come. >> and staying with you, doctor, i want to look at california. cases there are exploding. as of tonight 33 million -- as of last night, 33 million people will be back under stay at home orders and 10% of america's population, that is what we're talking about. listen to what the l.a. mayor had to say. >> california has more virus cases now than at any point in this pandemic. and we will soon have more cases than we have available hospital beds. this is the greatest threat to life in los angeles that we have ever faced. >> the stay at home order starts tonight. should more states be following california's lead? >> i hate to say it, but yes.
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listen, a stay at home order is the last step. there's so much we could have done proactively to prevent getting here. we could have had universal mask mandates and shut down the things we know are high risk for transmission like indoor restaurants and weddings and large social gatherings, but we didn't do that. now our health care is at the breaking point where we're not going to have resources to take care of car crashes or heart attacks orappendicitis. that leaves us no choice but to shut things down. it's where we must be if we're going to save more lives. california's policies, i disagree with them shutting playgrounds. outdoor stuff is relatively safe, but the indoor get togethers and dining do need to be shut down at this point. >> and doctor wen, let's talk about some optimism. i think we need it right now. that is about the vaccine. the first shots could be going
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into people's arms a week from now. it's really an incredible scientific achievement. but there is still a lot we don't know including whether you can still spread the virus even though you've been vaccinated. that's something i heard for the first time this week. explain that to our viewers. >> so you're right. there is great news on the horizon. and i think that it needs to be said that there are several caveats. one is that these vaccines are not going to be available to most americans until the spring. and so there's great news, but we still have to get through this winter. because the vaccines are that the going to get us out of this current surge. the other part is what you mentioned about the -- about the -- what the vaccine trials show and what they don't know. so what they do show so far is that they are efficacious in reducing severe illness, and in reducing illness as in people with symptoms who are dig noticed with coronavirus. 94% to 95% efficacious in
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reducing symptoms and severe illness. but right now what they don't yet show is whether it reduces the ability if you get the -- even if you get the vaccine, to transmit the virus to others. maybe you could still be a carrier of the virus. maybe you don't get severely ill. that's important, but you could still transmit it toers. if it turns out this is true, then ideally, this would render coronavirus if you get the vaccine to be something not much more harmful than the common cold, but you could spread it to others. so that additionally means we need to keep up our precautions of hand washing, physical distancing, wearing masks until we get more information about what this vaccine does in terms of transmission. >> we're going to be wearing masks for a while. >> and finally, this situation is bleak. it will not be like this forever, as you were alluding to. give our viewers something to look forward to. what do you think life is going to be like six months from now? >> six months from now could be
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very different. we could be in a situation where many americans, if not most americans, are vaccinated. we could be getting ready to send our kids back to school in the fall. we could be getting next winter we'll be able to see our loved ones indoors for the holiday gatherings. but i do think, again, one more plea that there's hope on the horizon. but let's not let our guard downright now. because how tragic would it be for people to lose their lives, thousands a day, when we're on the precipice of being able to save people here in the u.s. and around the world? >> please listen to dr. wen, dr. renny, they know what they're talking about. they're medical professionals and good people. please listen. thank you both for allowing us to listen to you this morning and i hope you have a great day. we'll be back to you. up next, how one hard hit state plans to carry out the most ambition vaccination campaign ever. two medical societies have strongly recommended to doctors
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is awarding up to one million dollars in scholarships through this month. see what scholarship you qualify for at days away from the start of the most monumental vaccine campaign in american history, and fda advisory committee meets thursday to approve the first covid-19 vaccine from pfizer. shots could begin a few days after that. by the end of december, a second vaccine from moderna is also likely to be available. the cdc is officially recommending the first shots go to health care workers along with residents at long-term care facilities like nursing homes as more doses are shipped out, they'll go to essential workers, seniors and those at risk of dying from covid-19. 20 million americans will be vaccinated by the end of this year. >> help is on the way.
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vaccines are imminent. we'll be starting to get vaccine doses in people's arms by the middle and end of december, and then more in january and more in february. and as we get into the late winter and early spring, a lot more. >> doctor mandi cohen is north carolina's health and human services secretary that joins us from raleigh where she's coordinating the state's vaccination plans. thank you so much for joining me. so much to get to with this plan that you're working on. first, the government is likely to approve a vaccine pretty quickly after thursday's fda meeting. do you have the money and the resources you need from the federal government to start v vaccines right away? >> thanks for having me on. it is an incredible scientific achievement that we're even in december talking about two potential vaccines, but the work ahead is massive to get everyone vaccinated.
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and we know it will start with limited supply of vaccine. just to put things in context for you, in north carolina when you think about co-vid testing, we have a state of about 10.5 million folks and we've been working for eight months to get folks tested and we've done 5.5 million tests. think about vaccinating folks. even if you think about that vaccinating half our population in the next six months, that means about 10 or 11 million vaccinations. that's double what we've done in testing. so the logistical and communication work here is going to be massive. and it's going to take the federal government, the state government, the private sector, all of us working really hard together. >> yeah. it sure is. i want to look at a couple of other numbers in addition to what you just mentioned about 85,000 doses of the vaccine are expected right away. it's a two-shot vaccine. so that's enough for about 42,000 people. you in north carolina have about
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140,000 health care workers and residents of long-term care facilities. as you see the numbers don't add up. how will you decide who gets the first round? and how long will that take? >> well, yes, so it will be in limited supply. the way the federal government is doing the allocation, the 85,000 doses that north carolina is expecting are all first doses. we can give them all out right away. then they'll give us the second dose. so we will send the 85,000 first to our hospitals across north carolina. but that won't even get to all of our hospitals. we have over 100 hospitals here, and only get to about 50 or 60 of them at first given the way the vaccine is packaged up. we know the first week it will go to our hospitals. by the second week, we hope to have both the pfizer and the moderna vaccine. that's when we think we'll be able to get to both the hospitals and our long-term care settings. our long-term care settings are being handled by the federal
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government through their partnership with walgreens and cvs. we'll be to us theed on our health care workers. and to think better prioritize, we had an independent vaccine advisory committee here in north carolina that was organized by our institute of medicine. their recommendations align with the national academy of medicine, the cdc's advisory committee. we're going for health care workers that are exposed to co-vid and long-term care workers and residents first. >> walk us through how this will work. is it an honor system? you mentioned the pharmacies are taking care of the elderly. that is and long-term care facilities. that may be more obvious. but say i'm a nurse or have a preexisting condition, how do i prove that and get the shots? >> at first the hospitals will
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be the ones making the decisions about which folks are actually exposed to co-vid who are working on the co-vid units in the emergency room, and it's the clinical staff as well as the environmental cleaning staff. that's not every health care worker. so it's really going to be the hospitals themselves that are receiving the vaccine from us that are going to be doing that first cut. who is going to get it or not. then they have to think about planning that and remember, these are 24 /7 operations at hospitals. the night shift. getting all of those logistics, and we have to bring everybody back for a second dose. there's a lot of detail. >> and on the second dose, the pfizer shot and the moderna vaccine, they're both expected to have two doses to be useful. to work. the plan released in october says you're exploring using a federally supported vaccine database in order to track people and make sure they get the second shot.
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how would that work? >> so actually, we made the decision to build our own database here in north carolina. the reason we did it is to make sure it was flexible to our needs in the state, and specifically so we can link it into our electronic health records that was not going to be possible with using the federal database. we built our own in north carolina. we're already training folks on it. then we're working to merge that together. that's an important part of all these logistics, the i.t. tracking to make sure that we can remind folks to come back for that second dose to make sure if they got the pfizer dose, the vaccine to begin with, they get the pfizer again. if they come back in 21 or 28 days for moderna, and to make sure that we are seeing who is getting vaccinated. we certainly want to make sure that we're thinking about equity on the front end of this. we are very concerned about making sure that we are vaccinating our marginalized
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communities, our african american, hispanic, native american communities in north carolina. that data is very important to us. >> no question. and before i let you go, there are reports that you're a candidate for a top job in the biden administration. have you spoken to the president-elect or any member of the transition team about that and would you want to serve in the biden administration? >> well, i should say it's an honor to serve whether at the federal or state level during this historic and unprecedented time. we certainly need great leadership at this moment, and i've been lucky to serve with the governor here in north carolina. i think i'm being considered speaks to the really great work we've been doing in north carolina and i'm flattered by that. but we just continue to be heads down here in north carolina, but again, honored to serve here or -- >> have you had any discussions with anybody on the biden transition? >> i have not had any discussions with them at this point. >> okay. well, i know you obviously as
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you described, have your hands full, and you have a huge task ahead of you and it sounds like you are on top of it, especially given how difficult logistically and as you said in terms of communication, it's going to be. we'll check back with you as this starts rolling in north carolina. thank you so much, doctor. appreciate it. >> thank you. up next is president-elect fulfilling his promise for a cabinet that looks like america? democratic senator elect ben ray lieu hahn is with us next. and president trump tells georgia voters they must vote in the senate runoffs as he attacks the gop leaders and claims it's a rigged election. >> the answer to the democrat fraud is not to stay at home. that's what nancy pelosi and schumer want you to do. stay at home. just stay at home.
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there is mounting pressure on president-elect biden to increase the diversity of the cabinet that he's building. this past week he named his top economic officials including janet yellen, the first woman to lead the treasury department and neera tanden, the daughter of indian immigrants. she would head the office of management and budget if confirmed and civil rights activists are pushing biden to do more to assemble a cabinet
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that represents the diversity of america. >> whoever selected black, white, or female, they must walk into the door day one and understand civil rights is top of mind. for the naacp, we want to make sure that civil rights is front and center for this administration from day one to the end of this term. >> joe biden says he intends to keep his promise. >> every advocacy group out there is pushing for more and more and more of what they want. that's their job. my job is to keep my commitment. to make the decisions and when it's over, people will take a look and say i promise, you'll see the most diverse cabinet representative of all folks, asian americans, lgbtq, across the board. joining me now ben ray lujan. senator elect, congratulations on your win and thank you for
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joining me this morning. >> thank you, dana. good morning. honored to be with you. >> thank you. >> of the ten biden cabinet officials and senior staff announced so far, six are white. four people of color, five men, five women. who are you saying to transition officials who are saying that they're building a team that does look like america? >> i and people across the united states are calling out for more diversity. now, dana, i know president-elect biden, and he does keep his word. he's a good person, a person of character. so to see the department of homeland security nomination, that's a good start from the hit hispanic side, but we want more latinos, the attorney general, tom perez who was confirmed by
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the u.s. senate twice and did incredible work. there's strong believers across america. i'm hopeful we'll see many of them have important roles of the responsibilities we have to look after the american people. >> so you and members of -- other members of the congressional hispanic caucus met this past week with joe biden's incoming chief of staff, ron klain, and other transition officials about the issues you discussed. sources tell us it was contentious, and that you were particularly mad about leaks from the transition about michelle lujan grisham. that she turned down a post. >> i don't comment about leaks about leaks but i think our governor in new mexico is very qualified. she's a strong leader and public health expert. she took an interest in public health after her sister was diagnosed with a chronic disease. that's what our governor
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continued to focus on throughout her time, whether it's in public service in the house or now as the governor in the state of new mexico. we also have three other incredible candidates for the department of interior as we continue to hear their names. i know there's an interest. and building off the work of someone like senator tom udall whose father served in the cabinet under kennedy. i'm excited about what people have to offer for the good of american people, offering our expertise to make a positive experience, but we want more diversity in the cabinet. >> and you want your governor to be nominated for hhs? >> whatever the governor's role, i think it's important for her to have a significant role. she was just elected the chair of the democratic governor's association. she's on the board of the national governor's association. governors are going to play an important role in defeating
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co-vid, and in implementing the important programs. i think she's an incredible candidate for health and human services but again, whatever that role, i think it's going to be an important and strong one. i look forward to the country getting to know our governor better with the work she'll do to help us and keep people safe, save people's lives and get us on track. >> i want to ask about another prominent cabinet post, attorney general. yes or no. does that role need to be filled by a person of color? >> well, i think we have two incredible candidates with -- the attorney general of california, tom perez who served an important role as department of labor secretary, but also within the civil rights division of the department of justice, especially with all that's taking place across america, you need leaders like that at the helm. i think one of the two of them would be incredible at that position. >> so pyou mentioned the qualifications that tom perez has that he was confirmed twice
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and had experience in the justice department, heading the civil rights division. but how will you answer critics who will say wait a minute. joe biden promised to depoliticize doj and he's appointing the democratic party chair? >> look, chairman perez came forward to serve at an important time. he gave of himself to be able to help elect an incredible president we needed for the times we're facing, and that's president-elect biden. tom perez has committed his life, whether in maryland fighting for consumers and people, or in the department of justice. tom perez is of character and strong moral. i have every confidence he'd do the job and do it well. >> i want to ask about the economy and the jobs report friday that showed that it's clicki clinging to life. there's momentum finally behind a $900 billion bipartisan rescue plan in the senate that includes aid to small business, extended
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unemployment benefits, other democratic priorities, but it doesn't include another round of stimulus checks. much, much smaller than your party, and i know you wanted. i want you to listen to what president-elect biden and senator sanders have both said about it. >> congress and president trump failed to act by the end of december, 12 million americans will lose their unemployment benefits they rely on. merry christmas. >> the fact that we are not addressing the economic crisis of tens of millions of people in this bill and that we're giving large corporations carte blanche to ignore the safety needs of their workers tells me this is not a bill that should be passed. >> what's your view? is the emerging compromise something you can see yourself voting for? >> dana, while this is not a perfect compromise, it is a compromise, and i appreciate the bipartisan group of democratic and republican senators that came together to find a path forward. the american people are hurting.
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people across new mexico need help now. they needed help months ago, but mitch mcconnell refused to allow a vote on the bills. there's nothing stopping mitch mcconnell from allowing a vote on this initiative. there are clearly enough republican senators to support this. president-elect biden has said this is the beginning of the work that must be done, and i agree with that sentiment. as soon as this $908 billion package is adopted and passed in the house and senate and signed into law as a larger funding package, we need to continue to work and have something ready to go in january and february to offer additional relief. i'm going to fight for the direct payments for the american people, but making sure there's enough money to safely reopen the schools, help the struggling small businesses and to be able to invest in people. they need help, and it's time that's finally going to happen. and i'm proud we now have a president in president-elect biden that is going to fight to bring this together and to deliver for the american people and to advocate that people deserve the help that is coming.
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>> ben ray lujan, senator elect from new mexico, thank you for joining us. appreciate it. >> thank you, dana. and president-elect biden is poised to announce more cabinet positions as we just discussed. can he make both progressives and moderates happy? we're going to talk about that after a short break. n earn your degree faster and for less with relevant life experience and eligible transfer credits. because your experience matters. see how much you can save on your degree at dear 2020, you had your time. (sigh...) see how much you can save on your degree now, it's our time. time to get away to a place where we can finally be free. free from boundaries... ...limitations.
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announcements the next couple days about hhs secretary. you've been doing reporting on this. what are you hearing? >> we're hearing president-elect biden's roles will be told at the end of the week. this has changed from where it was a week ago. we heard in the interview the governor is being mentioned as a role for this. but something that happened over the last several days, we'll see if she's named. most people now the worst we can do think they will be. there are other finalists. that's the california attorney general. we're told he's being interviewed. as well as the former michigan governor, possibly as well as the former hhs secretary in the final years of the obama administration, sylvia matthews burrwell. i think a larger point here is essentially right out of the gate, the transition team was ready to appoint a lot of cabinet officials. something has slowed this
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process down. it's created an opening for a lot of input from the outside. that has made some trouble for the biden transition team, because it's really giving everyone a role in this and a voice in this. it's creating some conflict internally. the biden team is not as fast as they were hoping, announcing all their cabinet members. that's why there's some infighting now going on. >> and the question is always is it slowed down because of the criticism or is the criticism louder because it sloued down? >> i think yes. >> exactly. >> and jackie, we were talking to senator elect lujan about racial diversity. he says they need to do better. there's also the question of ideological diversity. here's what alexandria ocasio-cortez says. she says i think it's one of the most simply damaging things that could happen to the democratic party that would also absolutely imperil us in 2022 is if we had a bunch of austerity people, or
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an austerity strategy, an austerity mind set. can president-elect biden assemble a cabinet that keeps his left happy if he's putting people who are not very, very progressive in across the board? >> probably not. but the other thing the congresswoman said, she does unif the senate remains in republican hands, that some of these more progressive nominees probably can't get through. there is a balancing act going on among the biden transition officials to look for people who president-elect is both comfortable with and also have the ideological balance, but also can get through a senate if the runoffs don't go the democrat's way. so there are just a lot of considerations going on. but that is certainly one of them. >> and jeff, agriculture secretary is not usually the most sought after position in a
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cabinet, but it has turned into kind of a proxy war between republicans, moderate democrats and progressives and black democrats as well. senator grassley of iowa this week publicly advised biden to select former north dakota senator or congressman collin peterson. both are deserveticonservatives. jim clyburn who is the reason that joe biden got the nomination, he's pushing for martha fudge, a leading african american member for that role. what does this fight tell us about biden's approach and problems? >> senator grassley, fers, does not necessarily have a say in this. we'll have a vote in confirming, but his vote isn't needed. he opens a window into what is going on with this. and as you said, dana, congressman jim clyburn was the most important endorser and supporter in this process. he has a very loud voice in this.
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but i think what it's highlighting is the overall picture of the cabinet. there has to be a person of color likely an african american, at the defense department as secretary of defense or attorney general or some of the other top posts. if that happens and i think that gives president-elect biden more space for the rest of his cabinet. jim clyburn is pushing house members for the spots. one problem is the biden transition team is largely staying away from elected democrats, because the margins are narrow in the house. even having an open seat in a safe district is still potentially a problem. i am not expecting many democratic senators or house members to be serving in the biden cabinet for that reason. >> it's interesting. i was talking to one of president obama's homeland security secretary. governor of arizona. she said maybe it was a mistake. she got a lot of blowback in arizona. it was interesting. before i let you go, jackie, all of these are nominations.
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for the most part they have to be confirmed by the u.s. senate. neera tanden is still facing pretty big gop opposition so far in large part because she is outspoken on social media. i want you to listen to what senator cornyn said earlier this week. >> i think it's -- i'm not criticizing for using twitter. i think for somebody who is as supposedly smart and sophisticated as this potential nominee is, to do that -- what she did is just pretty reckless, and unfortunately, she's the one that's going to have to pay the price for us. >> do they have any leg to stand on when they're criticizing people for being insulting or highly political on twitter given the way we've all lived the past four years? >> i'm not sure where senator cornyn thought all of us were the last four years after what we've seen on the use of social media.
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it does show how the nitty-gritty and ways they're going to try to dela legitimize the nominees and try to push them out if they don't like them. >> two friends, two excellent reporters, thank you so much for getting up early this morning. >> thank you. >> thank you. up next, president trump's angry lie-filled rally last night in georgia. did he help or hurt republicans in two pivotal senate runoffs? ♪
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president trump traveled to georgia last night where he was supposed to be focused on helping two republicans in senate runoffs there and races will determine whether the gop keeps control of the senate next year or not. at times he was on message. >> this election is in control
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of the u.s. senate and that really means chrome of this country. the voters of georgia will determine which party runs every committee, writes every piece of legislation, controls every single taxpayer dollar. very simply, you will decide whether your children will grow up in a socialist country or whether they will grow up in a free country. >> the president spent most of the 99-minute rally lying about election fraud even local republicans say did not exist and claiming somehow he can still prevail in an election he lost decisively. >> they cheated and they rigged our presidential election but we will still win it. i don't run the elections. i don't run to see if people are walking in with suitcases and putting them under a table with black robe around them. i don't do that. that is up to your government here. and for whatever reason, your secretary of state and your governor are afraid of stacey
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abrams. therapy afraid of her. >> just hours earlier, he called georgia governor brian kemp and pressed him to overturn joe biden's win there. kemp declined. "the new york times" reporter mr. hearn don rndon is here bus. here is the headlines in this morning's "atlanta journal-constitution." this is what one trump supporter told that paper last week. quote. so that is the result of what the president said last night and so many other times. what are you hearing from republicans about the president's performance last night? >> kind of split between the republicans you talk to from a
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base level, base supporters who attended last night's rally and the kind of professional republicans, those are running the campaigns and looking to win those two senate seats in january. from the base level, their primary concern is expressing that anger at the election result and deciding with the president on his unfounded and baseless claims of voter fraud and impressing the other republicans, both in their state and nationally, to do whatever they can to, quote/unquote, support the president in this effort to subvert the election. the professional republicans, the ones who are tasked with trying to win this race they think last night went okay. there were signs of a president who was encouraging people to vote and who was saying things like delivering the kind of standard attack lines on their democratic opponents and supporting the republican senators loeffler aperdue but nt what he was there. he was there to grievance about
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the outcome of the elections. the side moments he knifed in georgia's politics, chiding the governor and encouraging doug collins to run against him in two years. and those are the things that make these folks upset. they got standard aligns what they wanted but a good provider from the crowd yelling at the senators and from the president himself that they are under real pressure to follow his words exactly, otherwise, they lose the base. >> it's so complicated. we heard, as you mentioned, the president try to tie jon oshoff and rafael warnock to the left wing. that is what the republicans want the race to be. this is what the democrats hope the election about. >> our lives are being turned upside down and they are doing in washington. david perdue had his chance but he was too busy looking at physician stock portfolio. >> you're down there. is that kind of message
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resonating? >> democrats have a challenge of their own. they have one that has to maintain a really tight coalition that had georgia go blue on the presidential level but, remember, perdue reason ahead of jon oshoff in november so a group of republicans who voted for perdue on the top of the ticket but also voted for senate republicans and who they want to claw back. their hope is that this is a kind of a turnout game that goes in their favor, that people are still motivated by the question of trump who especially as he attends rallies in georgia, but also that they can speak to voters saying, hey, you don't want the gridlock of the obama era and that if you want joe biden to be able to make your lives better, to implement even the pragmatic moderate change he has talked about, he needs democrats in the senate and that is something that we can provide. it's going to be a close race, we all know that. but the question is who turns
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out more. republicans have kind of conceded that suburban and cities and trying to juice that real turnout of the trump base on the outer parts. we know that will come down to maybe one percentage point against them. >> it's a special election and january 5th which is not a day people are used to going out and voting. astead herndon, thank you for joining us. >> thank you. >> coming up is "state of the union." here is a look at jake's guests p.m. it's coming up next. hope is the light in all of us that cannot be extinguished. to stir that fire, university of phoenix is awarding up to one million dollars in scholarships through this month.
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♪ getting your shot! the coronavirus vaccines are almost here as the virus becomes the leading killer of americans this week, when will every american be able to get their vaccine? and will they trust it? >> we will do our best. a matter of life or death again. >> i'll speak to the vaccine czar dr. moncef slaoui next. back firing? trump continues to spread lies as he campaigns in georgia. >> if you don't vote the communist and the socialist win but will he mix up the base and voting isn't worth it? i'll speak to the georgia lieutenant governor geoff duncan in motor. congress works


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