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trip, i think it will be a bit of time i don't have an update when at this point. i expect additional foreign leader calls next week, as has been the case with our national security team. you can anticipate those will start with allies and partners including many europeans but no specific day-by-day calendar at this points. >> does he still plan to go to mass every weekend and has he pick add parish here in the washington area or a place he plans to go. >> his faith is quite torimport you know from covering him. i expect he will continue to attend church very regularly. he has not selected a church yet, if and when that happens we'll certainly keep you updated. taken, go ahead in the back. >> tokyo pliyo olympics in six .
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because of the pandemic, is there a -- is president biden confident for the games going on in tokyo and does he feel safe -- in tokyo at this time? >> well, as a big olympics fan i am certainly looking forward to it but have not talked to the president or our national security team about plans for the summer or the games. so we'll have to take that question, too, and circle back with you. another one? maybe get another one. >> yeah. how about the, president biden's policy, talking japan? talk with japanese counterpart -- in japan. >> u.s. policy in japan as relates to north korea?
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okay. well, the president's view is, of course, without question, that north korea's nuclear ballistic missile and other proliferation-related activities constitute a serious threat to the international peace and security of the world, and undermine the global nonproliferation regime and we still have a vital interest in deterring north korea as does japan, of course. we will adopt a new strategy to keep the american people and our allies safe . and begins with close consultation with south korea, japan and other allies, ongoing pressure options and potential for any future diplomacy. as we have historically the united states work closely with partners in the region to determine a path forward and work together on deterrence. >> ppe. is president biden starting to
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rejoin the tpp? >> again, i think you know -- president biden knows tpp wasn't perfects and believes we need to make it stronger and better. but at this point, you know, our focus and his focus as it relates to the economy is on doing everything we can to advance working families in the american middle class and so that will be his focus in the coming months. go ahead, justin. >> a quick one on inauguration day china sanctioned a number of outgoing trump add min s-- administration officials. and dispelling the ambassador near washington. are you contemplating either of those actions? >> those who didn't have the statement, because it was, just been a lot going on this week. we can all agree.
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the biden-harris administration noted china's sanctioning of more than two dozen trump administration imposed inauguration day they did seemingly to play partisan divides. americans of both parties should not consider this move and i don't have additional update, though, on other considerations. go ahead. >> thank you, ma'am. this morning's the white house put out a statement on the anniversary of roe v. wade. as a candidate her, the vice president proposed and abortion rights law akin to the voting rights act. is that something that she still supports? something the president is exploring? >> i don't have update from the vice president's policy. policies are the policies of the biden-harris administration and that speaks to those policies. we've ventured to get to it a
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week ahead. i promise in the future but we don't have detailed specifics to share at this point in time, other than the president will not be leaving the dmv. a- i assure you and continue to sign executive actions, engage with members of congress and a more detailed schedule but ironing out all the specifics. thank you, everyone. do this again on monday. >> thank you. >> all right. listening there to the white house press secretary jen psaki. before heard we heard from the national economic council director brian deese talking about the big covid relief package. bring in our chief political analyst gloria borger and chief business correspondent christine romans and chief white house correspondent kaitlan collins. i am surrounded by wonderful chiefs here today to talk about all of this. okay. i want to start first, kaitlan, with some headlines we saw coming out of this. start with coronavirus. the pressing crisis for our nation here. one of the big questions here as
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wab the doses. right? is this goal of 100 million in 100 days ambitious enough? actually heard the white house press secretary kind of cleaning up something that the president said yesterday, which wasn't true nap he said the media said it was not possible to hit 100 million in 100 days. that actually was not consensus of the media and seemed to say it was ambitious, said many doubted we could even get there. i don't even know if that's exactly true. maybe some issued some questions about it, but a lot of people thought this was doable even when announced? >> right. she was sighing, they announced this before, those vaccine doses actually were administered. the question now and the one up to the white house whether or not they're going to change their stated goal on that, whether it should be more ambitious. given looking at cdc numbers, they're close to that. getting 100 million doses in 100 days would mean 1 million doses per day. getting close to that. might have crossed that
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threshold. check the latest cdc numbers. the question for the president yesterday was, should you aim higher than this given we're so close to that? when he bristled at that question saying that the media had said they couldn't get there. of course, now we hear we're close. the question, what's next? are they moving forward? what's the next goal on this? not a lot of clarity on that on where that's going to go. if they're going to change that position about 100 million in 100 days or push it higher. given they are promising they are going to speed this vaccination process up and going to streamline it. one thing we have heard from the white house chief of staff ron klain, establishing a place to get vaccinated. the problem we're seeing and you heard from dr. fauci, hesitancy getting vaccinated and struggle and difficulty to find somewhere to get a vaccine. asked for a timeline when that central database will be established. they didn't provide a specific one, but that is going to be a
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big question going forward. i should note one more thing. we've been hearing talk about the defense production act, whether or not biden actually invoked it specifically. more than just signing a piece of paper actually quarking with private companies to get them started on specifics. ron klain said last night they are working with a company on developing a syringe with more doses of the vaccine, about six, compared to the five it has now. which would increase capacity about 20% that would be significant once the syringes are available and jen psaki said yes, actually invoked the defense production act and looking for details on that as well. >> i wonder, gloria, what you think about this goal? i am trying to think about something to compare it to. maybe something like planning in advance for fund-raising for a good cause and say getting into fund-raising, goal hit $5,000 in the first couple of months but hit it. there on day one. shouldn't you adjust your goal? i don't know if that's exactly the right way to compare it, but
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do they need to, especially knowing you have another vaccine maybe coming online soon do they need to adjust it? >> you know, the rule in politics is you underpromise and over did delblivdid -- overdeli. jen psaki made the point, look, we set this goal early on. you can make the case, bri, you should up what your goal is, but i think they need to succeed and be judged as a success one way or another. so i think they've underpromised here, quite frankly. >> yeah. i mean, definitely going to hit it. they can say -- >> sure, yes. >> -- they hit a goal. maybe did they really chachieve something that could be accomplished. >> they're being challenged by the media and also by members of the scientific community. >> i also wonder, gloria. just comes down to whatever is achieved, it's not going to be as quickly as americans want it.
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i mean, americans want this vaccine. they want to get back to normal. >> exactly. they have to take the confusion out of it. you know, as you were just talking about. you have to -- people have to know where to go to find out when they can get their shots and how they can get their shots. and what if you're not computer literate or don't have a cell phone? you know, this has to be made more user friendly. and i think that was the problem early on with obamacare and they've been through that, a lot of people in this administration. so they're working on it. got to figure out how to do that. >> talk, christine, about the economic piece of this which is so inextricably linked to the coronavirus crisis. we heard from brian deese saying, saying this period we've just seen is actually a worse period economically than we ever saw in sort of a finite period in the great recession and making the case if congress does not act now, america's actually
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going to fall into a deeper hole and there's things that will suffer because of that. vaccine distribution and school reopenings. what did you think about the case he built? >> right on, if you don't have more aid quickly targeted aid quickly you risk running the same kind of a scenario we saw after the great recession, where it took a decade to get back to pre-recession levels for employment. right? we know that we need to spend smartly and quickly to get a bridge to, a time when the economy is better again. they're going to have a struggle. going to have a fight in congress. it could take time to get more aid through. meantime, you have executive odors tries to use livlevers of government to get money to people who need it, poor children, more food aid is critical. there are millions of families reporting they don't have food on the table right now. a problem. 8 million people haven't eastern receive add stimulus check yet. saying treasury department needs to go in figure how to nation in
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particular. trying to use levers of government they already have to get money in the pockets of poor families. quite frankly, you know, poor families in america, depression sticks they're loving through right now and don't have luxury saying, let's wait. the economy's getting better later this year. a lot of people need help, right now. >> and kaitlan, the press secretary wouldn't say if the president thinks that donald trump should be convicted in this impeachment trial? >> no. show wouldn't. she said no longer in the senate. of course, joe biden did serve in the senate a longer time and up to currently in the senate to handle that. pointed to this saying he did run against the president. if that gives you an idea whether or not you think he's fit for office. an tefinteresting question what biden would like to see happen. privately biden officials believe the senate trial will hinder their agenda in the early days when you want to hit the ground running.
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obviously it's going to be a road block for them. there's apprehension about that. they're not addressing it, saying it's up to the senate an pressuring them saying they can do two things same time. focus on the covid bill and getting his nominees confirmed. the whole reason the president, former president, has been impeached and will face this trial is his role in that insurrection that happened here at the capitol a few weeks ago. one thing she announced there interesting. we'll wait to hear details on. build out a capability wirth the national security council to counterof rise of domestic terrorism. she said. interesting it's going to be placed in the national security council, maybe not somewhere else. not totally clear why we'll wait to hear more on that and exactly what that thread is, what that compact will look like. asked for a pretty comprehensive threat assessment basically of the rise of domestic terrorism here in the u.s. seen it address it in a way the
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last administration did not. i remember when the fbi director testified on capitol hill about the rise of extremism and white supremacy saying it was a massive threat here in the united states and we were told the president privately was angry about that. it will be interesting to see how that is going forward and what happens and what comes out of that. >> certainly will be. it's a threat spanned these administrations and perhaps now we'll get a clearer picture of that. gloria, on this issue of impeachment, even though the press secretary would not say what the president thought about whether donald trump should be convicted, she did say there's a, you know, of course, a constitutional obligation the senate has. very clear that the white house does not want to see this getting in the way of the number one agenda item, this covid relief bill. which sort of gives you an idea of the timeline that the president is expecting for how quickly this can pass congress, which then will prompt the question, can it do that with
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republican support or are democrats going to go alone. >> really a question whether you can walk and chew gum in the same day. not just at the same time. what they're clearly saying and she laid out was, look. in the very's recent last impeachment, there was other business going on in the senate during that impeachment trial. i'm sure they've done their research on this. there were committee hearings going on in respect was progress being made. also pointed out that the house can pass legislation waiting, like planes on a runway to get into the senate. she's saying very clear. look, biden wants to get his people confirmed. he wants to have his legislation taken up. and he wants to get things done on stimulus. but she's saying then, look, you can get this done and i'm presuming that the, the administration doesn't want it to take a month. i think while they, i'm sure,
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they want to give donald trump his due in a trial, et cetera, but they don't want to stretch it out. >> no, they do not. wonderful talking with all of you. gloria, christine and kaitlan, thank you for joining me. bringing in our cnn political direct ker david chalian now. david, the senate is at a standstill. ship thought, wait. two democrats won in georgia. kamala harris is the tiebreaker. the vice president. why is this happening? help us understand. >> yeah. a good question, right? right after the inauguration sayre more thanes wednesday we saw kamala harris as vice president swear in these three new democratic senators. two from georgia, one, her replacement from california and chuck schumer made his maiden speech as majority leader and yet we're at a standstill. here's why. no power sharing agreement with mitch mcconnell and chuck schumer how the government will govern itself in a 50-50 evenly
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divided senate. it means the committees are currently operating under the rules of the last senate. republican chairmen and chairwomen are running these committees right now. a lot of the committees holding confirmation hearings for biden's cabinet nominees, chaired by republicans. but wait. i thought democrat was in charge of the senate now? yes. but the old rules are still in place and governoring how the body works. oert the other thing to watch, seen delay on passing biden's nominees. two cabinet members sworn in wednesday. director of national intelligence. today a defense secretary. still seeing some delays in getting his secretary of the treasury, secretary of state. some big nominees, homeland security, you heard jen psaki mention them in that briefing through the senate. and the other piece, once it figures out how to deal with itself, how is the senate going to operate in terms of getting legislation passed? that's holding up the power-sharing agreement. take a look. it's all about the filibuster.
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okay, brianna? look at this. mitch mcconnell as the minority leader now coming in a r is trying to hang on to minority rights. so -- he would like the filibuster to be preserved on legislation for the next two years as a part of this power-sharing agreement. making sure democrats don't do what democrats and republicans did on judicial confirmations, cabinet appointments, which is make it just a simple majority. 51 votes gets you what you want. on legislation, held to tradition. you need 60 to break a filibuster. democrats threatening to take that away. mitch mcconnell says promise you won't do that and i'll agree to share power in the senate. chuck schumer says, no. first of all, he's got a bunch of progressives really pushing to eliminate the filibuster. they do not believe there is going to be a chance getting enough republicans to come onboard, get compromised and get 60 votes want to move ahead on agenda democrats only 51 votes to get their agenda through.
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schumer said today, a filibuster, dealing with rule of the filibuster has never been part of an organizing resolution in the senate. he says to mcconnell, i'm not accepting your terms. this is never been rules of the road forgetting an organizing resolution about the senate business getting under way. deal with the filibuster separately. mitch mcconnell playing the card he has. what do you have? a stalled senate. >> i can hear it from here. sound of congress grinding to a bit of a halt now. thank you for walking us through that, david chalian. still ahead, a trump economic advisers supports the nearly $2 trillion stimulus plan, but capitol police investigating a republican congressman for trying to carry a gun on to the house floor, and now some colleagues say they don't feel safe around each other anymore. which is extraordinary. and an uproar after national guardsmen are kicked out of the
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capitol and into the parking garage. who ordered this and why? this is cnn special live coverage.
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soon president biden will be signing a new round of significant executive actions. the president is using his second full day in office to tart the economic challenges that are facing millions of americans struggling in this pandemic. in this hour she expected to sign an executive action to expand access to food stamps, and biden will expand protections for federal employees, raising the minimum wage for federal workers to $15 an hour among other things. now, these executive orders are just a prelude to biden's massive economic covid relief proposal. moments ago a top economic
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adviser to biden warned that the country was in a precarious moment and at risk of falling into a serious economic hole. if congress doesn't pass the president's nearly $2 trillion covid rescue package, that is. >> economists across the board including today at president trump's former chairman of the council of economic advisers are arguing strenuously now is the time for that support. >> the trump adviser brian deese was touting is kevin hassett and a cnn economic commentator there there from the white house breaching room, kevin, touting you approve of this $2 trillion plan. early indications from senate republicans is they are not. what do you say to that? >> i think, let's take a step back, and you might remember that it was just a little less
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than a year ago when i was coming on cnn as a contributor. on poppy's show, saying looking a a quarter as bad as anything since the great depression and saying that looking at the effect of covid on the economy and shutdowns. you could do the math and figure you would have a massively negative quarter. ed sad thing, look at the economic data people are starting to hunker down pine think because the prevalence is high and with a vaccine coming, hide? your basement three weeks you might make it to the other side. percentage of low-wage workers unemployed relative to last january has gone from having made up a lot of ground in october to being still down 25% today. percentage is of small businesses closed is 30-35% varies every day and going back into a shutdown quarter if we don't get a stimulus. brian's exactly right.
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it's time for people to act and to built alongside more of a bridge to the other side, we're almost there. they don't do anything, a lot of small business bankruptcies and hunger and a lot of other things that go along with that it's not difficult to imagine that happening. yet what we're hearing from, for instance, senator susan collins is an assessment there is not a need yet. perhaps that is in-line with what you're saying, not with what you're saying, but the point you're making is there is going to be a kneneed and we ca definitely see it from there. what do you say to lawmakers not taking that into account? >> a simple reason. that is traditional economic sticks tha statistics are bookward from the government. it doesn't look that bad because there was a recovery in the fall. the fact with computers being what they are we have realtime
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data showing things are really, really winding back, really, in december and january and probably even more going forward. so it's looking a little bit like the first half of last year and i'm anxious about it. certainly there are things that i would advise the biden white house to take out of the bill. like i don't think it's a good time to raise the minimum wage. they have too much money for states and thing ices i would ce but it's consistently what should be done. >> what about the $1,400 checks going to pretty much everyone including people who are employed? should that be the process by which those are distributed? >> yeah. i think that's the best part of it, and i think you know, the ppe loans to businesses right now if you look at it, enough cash in there. but i think the bake way to think about it is we should almost not call it stimulus. if you or i had a business making money forever and erch
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and right now because of covid we're not. somebody who saw beginning of the summer we'll make money again they should rationally help us to make to the summer and individuals back to work soon, give them the money they need to make it to the other side. more like the government is giving people a loan to help through the hard time or relief because there's been a terrible disaster. not so much a stimulus. look at the realtime numbers it's absolutely essential they act and 100% i support additional checks to people and putting more money in the ppe. >> right now senate democrats are laying the groundwork to proceed in a way. called budget reconciliation. proceed in a way that would not require that 60-vote threshold. to do something that would not require them to have republican help if it comes to that. if republicans are not onboard with a stimulus bill that is this big, which you think is very necessary, is it important
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enough to pass, in your view, something of this size to the point that democrats should be going it alone? >> again, i, myself -- again, politics has consequences and democrats control things. i'm just saying we definitely need a big stimulus now and i might change a few things and if republicans want to play along they could maybe influence those things. again, lift the minimum wage now while 35% of small businesses have been close add long time you're going to really, really hammer a bunch of people just hanging on. probably not something that belongs to the bill. useful for republicans to recognize the realtime data is headed south and come and try to influence the bill and make it better. i hope they do that. remember, tax cuts and jobs act and many, many pieces of important legislation starkly passed for food reconciliation. if the democrats take that path -- >> kevin, thank you so much for being with us. kevin hassett. >> thank you. the governors of florida, texas and new hampshire are
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recalling all of their national guard members from washington after photos surfaced of the guardsmen relegated to a parking garage to rest rather than staying on capitol grounds. the 5,000 troop was reportedly limited to use of one bathroom with only two stalls. new hampshire governor chris sununu wrote they dan outstanding job guarding our capitol and graciously praised. not subject to substandard conditions. multiple lawmakers voiced outrage and now national guards troops allowed back inside of the u.s. capitol complex. talk now with democratic congressman who is with us member of the house services committee and served in the marines. thank you, sir, for being with us. >> thank you for having me. >> do you know who made this decision to move them to this garage? >> we don't know yet. there's been two conflicting reports. capitol police claim they never told them to move there.
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national guard at this point saying they were told to move there. we will get to the bottom of it at end of the day, though. >> in your experience, would the national guard just prove to a garage if someone had not told them to do that? >> yes. actually. to be honest, that happens all the time. in the marine corps, someone tells you to move they would move us to anyplace. whether a parking garage or open-air anywhere. it does happen. bigger problem is the disrespect showed to them in the process of doing this and unsanitary locations of not having bathrooms. you know, i am more concerned about the propaganda that came out of this. soon as it happened, we could tell it was a mistake, we had leaders like kevin mccarthy automatically assuming and blaming schumer and pelosi on this. they purposely were propagating a lie much like the big lie using our soldiers as tools of that lie.
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so that's one of the things i'm really mad about. the fact there, nothing was learned since january 6th. kevin mccarthy automatically took this opportunity to get cheap shots in when we all said it was just a mistake and not intentional upon anybody to try -- at least no elected official. >> yesterday capitol hill police stopped one of your colleagues. congressman andy harris of maryland, who was apparently trying to get on to the house floor while carrying a gun. a concealed gun. i'll note since screening started several other republican lawmakers have gotten into verbal confrontations with police over the metal detectors installed there that they don't want to go through and it's caused some of your colleagues, some democratic colleagues to say they don't feel safe. let's listen. >> we still don't yet feel safe around other meshes of congress. >> how many of are we? >> i think a considerable amount. a lot of members do not feel
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safe. >> do you realize colleagues of yours in congress may do you dirty, you really think? >> one tried to bring a gun on the floor of the house today. >> it is a very sad part of the present situation that we have to have metal detectors to protect ourselves from our colleagues who are carrying guns or who would want to carry guns on to the floor of the capitol. there's no place for that. >> congressman, do you feel safe around your republican colleagues? >> i mean, yes. i feel safe, but it's not about me. you know? it's about the environment we're trying to set. be and we have 435 members that should be able to come and debate without the specter of violence around them. the fact that andy harris tried to sneak in way gun and by the way, tried to hand off his weapon to somebody else without clearing it, by the way. one of the first rules of weapons handling tells you why people like that should not be
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having weapons on the house floor. it's time for these men and women to stop being you know, pretending that they're going to be super rambos if the situation happens. clearly all of them were not when it actually did hit the fan january 6th and we need to return the house floor to the respectability that is deserves. a place that's free and safe for us to actually have real rational discussions amongst each other without any shadow of vooit violence potentially hanging over our heads. >> congressman, thank you so much. it's been such an eventful week and we appreciate you doing this. >> yes it is pap heck of a year so far. >> more like three weeks in that we're in. >> thank you. next, dr. fauci says he's confident that the biden administration can deliver on getting 85% of adults vaccinated by the summer, but there's still a lot of work to be done. i'm going to speak to a woman who had to wait in this line. do you see this line? had to wait there's for hours,
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and at least she got hers. that was with an appointment.
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we have sad news in the sports world today. former home run king hammering hank aaron died. atlanta braves hall of famer held the all-time record for career home runs decades after breaking babe ruth's record. i want to bring in cnn contributor and legendary broad casteder bob costas to talk about this. bob, hank aaron changed the game of baseball. tell us a little bit about this.
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>> i'm not so much sure that he's changed the game, brianna, but he is one of most important figures in the history of the game, and in the history of american sports. those old enough to have experienced the context or can read up about it, he was one mpt greatest of the great players, yes, but he's a genuine civil rights hero. as he approached babe ruth's record a good portion of america, it should be noted, including a good portion of white america, admired him, respected him and cheered him on. but there were ugly incidents. he received tons of hate mail. eventually had to have fbi protection as he approached babe ruth's record. but not only did he surpass him, but he carried himself then and always with such dignity and grace and class. it's such a cliche, there you're looking at the moment where he does it in atlanta on april 8,
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1974. even the way he rounds the bases. no self-celebration. the opponents, the dodgers, want to shake his hand. the respect that he had then and always was well beyond his magnificent baseball achievements and through the years at cooperstown when they had the hall of fame inductions and all the great hall of fame players come back a striking scene to see dozens and dozens of the greatest gathered in one place, still among all of that baseball stardom, the respect for hank aaron was so overwhelming that the reception he received was different. it was just so deeply appreciative. people came to understand what he represented, and it went beyond baseball. >> i mean it is -- it's a moment that gives you chills watching. i think because you realize how important it is, what he did, and you mentioned the racism he experienced as he approached breaking that record. he also -- i mean, he had
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experienced that as a child. you know? he'd experienced that growing up. this was something that wasn't new to him, and was still something he experienced as a professional baseball player of such prominence. >> yeah. he told me and others that growing up as a small child, growing up in the deep south, there were times when a ku klux klan came parading down his street. not specifically in these cases to vandalize or commit violence, although we know they did plenty of that. just to send the message yet again, to remind black families that they were there and his mom telling him to hide under the bed. and then he telling his dad, which was so poignant, we mentioned this today. he told his dad he wanted to be an airline pilot, and his dad said, ain't no black airline pilots. and he said, i want to be a major league baseball player, and his dad said, ain't no black baseball player.
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and hank aaron was 13 years old when jackie robinson broke the color barrier in major league baseball. the dodgers then, a different era in baseball, they would barnstorm sometimes coming up from florida in spring training on their way back up to brooklyn. when jackie robinson and the dodgers played in a ballpark near where young hank aaron lived, he related to me a story how he couldn't get in the ballpark. didn't have the money for the ticket. climbed a tree out beyond the right field fence to watch hank aaron from a tree and when he broke in to baseball, in the minor lesion, he's playing in segregated cities. couldn't stay in the same hotels. couldn't eat in the same restaurants, and some some cases couldn't even dress and undress in the same clubhouse as his white teammates. he ended up a first generation of players post-jackie robinson, faced and surmounted all that. remarkable about hank, brianna, he could have, and you would have understood it, if there was
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bitterness within him, but he was such a decent and kind man, that somehow he managed to look with a clear eye at the racism he faced and the racism he still saw in society, but to treat each individual who crossed his path as an individual. worthy of respect and worthy of kindness as long as they showed him the same. >> bob, i want to thank you for coming on and these are incredibly special stories that you are sharing with us on this day. thank you very much. >> thank you, brianna. right now, january is on track to become the deadliest month in the u.s. since the pandemic began. just yesterday 3,955 people lost their lives to the coronavirus. it is the fifth highest day so far. there is some positive news, and that is that new data released this morning show there's is is a real downward friend hospitalizations. in order, though, to keep that trend going the number of vaccinations needs to speed up
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and that is part of president biden's new coronavirus plan, which is 100 million doses in 100 days. and the nation's top infectious disease doctors feel that's possible. >> obviously, you want to do as best as you possibly can. i'd like it to be a lot more. the goal was set, but you don't want to get fixated on as an undershooter and overshoot. go for 100 million over 100 days. if we do better, i personally think we likely will, then great. i just don't want to get firstated. i saw yesterday that back and forth between that. we're going to go for it for as much as you possibly can. when you set a goal, if you do better than the goal, that's terrific. i hope we do. >> there's a new report from the kaiser family foundation and it found six in ten americans do not no when or where to get a covid-19 vaccine. as if that wasn't bad enough, finding when you have the information and an appointment, people are showing up and
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finding scenes like this. hundreds of people standing in line waiting. this is a photo taken by debbie goldbrand and she's with us now here with her mom jo durham to talk about the experience they had in jacksonville, florida. thank you so much to both of you. this is so important, because i know so many people are dealing with what you have dealt with. debbie, the state of florida began their vaccination program for people 65 yiears and older wednesday. you called to get your mother an appointment. tell us what happened next. >> i called about 7:30 in the morning, and they put my mom on what they called a waiting list. and told me that she would receive a telephone call when they had an appointment for her. about two hours later, she received a phone call telling her she had a 3:00 appointment
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and to be there by 2:15 and they would see that they could get her in early. well -- we got there about 1:00, and the line was half way around the entire mall property. after waiting -- let's see. she waited until about 4:15 to be able to get in to the door. my mom's not a spring chicken. so i made her go sit in the car, because -- i'm not going to say her age, but anyone in her advanced age doesn't need to be standing for that long. it was absolutely crazy. >> and i wonder, jo, for you, and i hear what your daughter is saying, but you seem pretty spry. i know, though, there are a lot of people in line who were
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having difficulties. what was it like as you were there? seeing all of this? >> it was very disheartening. like she said. the line went on forever, and the people that were in it were 65 and older, and probably the average was 75. there was no cover. there was no chairs along the way to be able to sit down. there were no bathrooms. and once you got in line you just had to stand there and, and move in baby steps to even get to the door. i was very disheartened when i did get to the door, and they took us in to get our shots. with that many people sitting out, standing outside, they had five people administering the
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shots. five people. >> yeah. it's wild. >> yes, it is. >> yeah. there needs to be more, obviously. and you know, i wonder, jo, how you feel after getting the vaccine, after spending the past year. i'm sure very concerned. you're in >> how did that feel to get the vaccine? >> it was wonderful. i had no side effects whatsoever. it was like stones were off my shoulders because you -- you're afraid to go anywhere, to see anybody other than your immediate family, and it was very liberating to know that, okay, i'm somewhat protected now, and i can't wait to get my second dose. >> jo, thank you so much for being with us. debby, thank you so much for sharing your story as well. there are so many people trying to helped the loved ones in their life get through this, and, i mean, it's a joint effort
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ask. the start of joe biden's presidency might bring an end to one of the biggest lies pushed by the conspiracy theory group quanon or perhaps they will fine a way to explain it. the prophecy that donald trump would declare martial law as he rounded up a cabal of democratic pedophiles and evil--doers. after the inauguration of pibd some quanon are questioning what they blindly followed. what posted this comment, we were promised arrests,
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classified documents, military regime, where is it? my next guest followed quanon for two years and then in june 2019 he posted his epiphany on reddit saying "q" followed me and he joins me today from sydney, australia. thanks so much for coming on. there's not a lot of people in your position to speak with such authority on this, and as you've been watching this and this prophecy of those who follow qanon has been disproven, what's the effect of that? do they explain it away, or do they just, you know, what is it? >> reporter: they do both. the this is not -- this is not unique that a quanon prophecy has been disproved. i've lost count of how many times "q" says something only to be proven wrong. the issue is that while some people will come to their senses and snap out of it, it's like any kind of doomsday cult in the
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sense that when doomsday never arrives as in the storm it gets pushed back and pushed back and the concern is that people who are left and even if it's just 10% of them, even if it's just 1% of them, they will act in a way that will bring about the doomsday so for you qanon specifically while they want martial law. at this moment they think it will happen automatically, that they might think that they are the storm and start acting in a way that brings about martial law. that's the real danger. >> what is the storm exactly? what do qanon followers believe should have happened with the storm? >> so, the storm is exactly like you said. it starts off with a declaration of martial law. that is followed by an unsealing of sealed indictments followed by military tribunals of civilians, followed by public
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executions of those that continue to be in the cabal followed by question mark, question mark, question mark and followed by everybody lives happily ever after. you can't talk about qanon without talking about the storm. >> what do you think qanon -- i know you follow american politics quite closely. what do you think about qanon followers, qanon sympathizers who have now, as republican lawmakers been elected to the u.s. congress? >> i think it's crazy. i think that on some way it's actually quite impressive if you think about this as a political movement. you know, it only started in, what, 20 -- 2018. "q" came around in october 2017. a few years later they have got members in congress. i mean, the tea party would be impressed with that. >> what do you think about, you know -- i know that for you, your involvement in qanon began
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at a time for you when you were vulnerable. i know that you've looked back and said that you think you were probably suffering from depression, and you were maybe looking for something, but what was it that made you kind of snap out of it, that challenged your beliefs enough that you rejected something that was such a huge part of you? >> well, the answer to that is really long, but i'll try and keep it short. an improvement in my mental health as well as my social isolation was something that was not maybe a causal effect but it was definitely a correlationary effect. however, the one thing that really broke the camel's back it was was particular proof i was holding on to. this was the idea that trump had said the phrase tip top shape, tippy top shape in front of the white house in a speech. it was requested four months
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earlier by someone on the "q" boards and when trump said it in front of an easter egg hunt i thought that that was proof, lots of unique phrases, i never heard that phrase before. that must be a shout-out to the board. turns out, not. something that trump sis and it was requested the day before the state of the union. it wasn't even so much what the proof was. it was the level of manipulation that was involved, that someone would be able to, a, pick up on that, that trump says this thing that would have to observe him very closely and, b, find a way to use that as a proof knowing people will only go one level deep, so that -- that was the straw that broke the camel's back for me, and i wrote that reddit post five minutes after hi that realization. >> an amazing story. thanks for sharing it with us.