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good evening. we're at the start of a defining week for this country's battle against covid and the financial collapse that occurred because of it. and for president biden, who captured the white house promising to bring relief to both fronts. the cdc unveiled guidance for those fully vaccinated. this as more than 2.1 million americans a day are now being vaccinated. promising more freedoms to have more unvaccinated people indoors and restaurants as well as the end to the need to quarantine which means grandparents that are vaccinated can hug grandkids who have not. the rules don't go far enough for some.
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case in point, the airline industry which today pushed back on cdc guidance that recommends even the vaccinated avoid travel. this was the cdc director's explanation for why. >> every time there is a surge in travel, we have a surge of cases in this country. we know that many of our variants have emerged from international places and we know that the travel corridor is a place where people are mixing a lot. >> the guidelines state that people including those fully vaccinated should continue to wear a mask. today wyoming's governor joined those in texas and mississippi announcing an end to the mask mandate. and that bars, gyms, and other businesses can re-open. in an interview with politico dr. fauci can see the mask mandate for those vaccinated pulled off gradually. soon but not yet. the house is expected to pass a $2 trillion covid relief bill that contains money for vaccinations and schools and low income americans, children, the unemployed, and to make health
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care coverage more affordable. senator bernie sanders will join us to talk about that. on thursday, president biden is expected to deliver his first primetime address commemorating the year since covid has been declared a pandemic. that is where we begin with phil mattingly, where is the crisis on the health front and economic front? >> cautious optimism is the best way to frame it. on the public health front, there's no question about it. they look at the metrics they have been paying attention to over the course of the first 48 days in office and feel like things are headed in the right direction. 2.1, 2.2 million doses being delivered per day based on the last week. that's well above what it was. they know hundreds of millions of doses are coming online over the course of the next several months and that the numbers on the death side have been trending downward but there is also a very clear possibility that things could get worse. when you talk to white house advisors they are concerned about a new surge. they are concerned about the variants. some advisers are furious about the states ending their mask mandates.
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one called it the equivalent of spiking the football at the 20 yard line. you don't get any points for that. they recognize things can go wrong and things will likely go wrong but based on the public health side of things and particularly with this covid relief bill on the economic side of things they feel like they are accomplishing the goals they laid out when they took office. >> if the relief bill does win final passage this week, do we know how soon americans will get the stimulus payments? >> what we know now is they want them out the door by the end of the month. obviously, the payments have gone out in the last administration, it worked together a pretty good system to kick them out rather quickly via direct deposits in many cases. i think one of the key things to pay attention to over the course of the next couple of weeks is, yes, the administration getting to this point where the president is going to sign his cornerstone legislative proposal into law is a huge accomplishment but advisers i'm talking to make very clear they know this isn't the end of the ball game. they actually need to implement this law, not just getting the direct payments out but the
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different elements of the economic relief here, which is transformative, short term when you talk about things like the child tax credit. it needs to actually work. they need to be able to put it into play so the popularity of the bill which has been maintained over the course of the last several weeks actually sticks in the weeks ahead. >> and what more do we know about this address by president biden thursday night? >> it's one year to the day that president trump, former president trump gave his own primetime address. you'll hear the president hit on a couple notes. in that year more than 525,000 people have died. president biden has made very clear that keeping those individuals, keeping those families in mind is something that he always wants to do when he talks about the pandemic but i also think you're going to hear him talk about that bill, which he hopes to have signed into law by thursday. and one thing i heard repeatedly from administration officials is the idea if he talks about that bill when he talks about the bill in the primetime address, it won't be the end of the ball game for this bill. it will be the start of a process. administration officials know that they need to keep talking about the bill. they need to keep selling the
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proposal. they need to keep informing americans what they believe are the merits of this proposal, something i hear a lot as members of the administration that were on the team back in 2009, when that stimulus bill was passed into law. they don't feel like they did a good enough job and they want to change that this time around. >> appreciate it. for perspective on the guidance from the cdc where we are in the fight against covid, dr. sanjay gupta to and chris murray, we talked about the cdc guidelines and what vaccinated people are able to do now. can you walk us through it again now? what stands out to you? >> fully vaccinated means two weeks after your second shot if you received the pfizer or moderna vaccine, or two weeks after your first shot, your only shot with the johnson & johnson vaccine. but the key is, people are waiting for this guidance for some time is, what does that
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mean in terms of what you can do? and the bottom line is you can do a little more. maybe not as much as some people would like but for example, if you are fully vaccinated and hanging out with another group of people who are fully vaccinated, you can have a basically normal gathering indoors. don't need to wear masks. don't need to maintain physical distance. can shake hands, hug, things like that. if you're hanging out -- if you're vaccinated and hanging out with people who are unvaccinated but they are low risk, they are one household and they are low risk, sort of the same sort of, you know, the same recommendations apply. you can have a normal gathering. that's what we're hearing now. i talked to andy slavitt with the task force and he said a couple things i thought were interesting. first of all, he emphasized this is a first step and that future recommendations would be coming and they would be tied directly to the percentage of people vaccinated. 10% of the country roughly vaccinated. when we get to 20%, which could be 10 to 14 days or so, you probably will hear another set of recommendations. so this is a first step as he emphasized over and over again.
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>> dr. murray, dr. fauci continues to warn that case levels are plateauing at unacceptable levels. is that what your models find? when you hear wyoming has joined the list of people opening up, no mask mandate, full -- business is at full capacity along with texas and mississippi. >> you know, i think this is a very risky time. i share dr. fauci's opinion that this is not the time for us to be less cautious because we have b.1.1.7, the uk variant circulating. in europe, it's leading to big increases and that can happen here easily, if people become too, you know, lose their vigilance against transmission. >> so, the -- so the reason -- when is an acceptable amount of time?
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what is the metric you used as an acceptable time to have business at full capacity or no mask mandate? >> well, i think we would want to see the case rates in the community to be really low, so that we can really have a serious prospect that testing and, you know, following up and convincing people to self-quarantine would be an effective strategy. so we're a good ways away from that because i think there is a real risk that transmission can plateau for quite a while. it can even go back up if people become increasingly -- stop wearing masks and have large gatherings. so it's a ways away from our point of view. although the signs do look good. >> sanjay, i know you have questions. >> yeah, so, along those lines, dr. murray, if you made this model back on march 6th, since then we've heard about texas and mississippi sort of taking away their mask mandates. how much of an impact do you think that will have now? >> you know, it can have a lot
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of impact. it just depends if people actually follow that mandate. we're expecting that a lot of people will still be cautious, that they're not going to just, everybody in texas is going to stop wearing a mask. if that happened, that combined with a lot of the uk variant circulating in the u.s. can very easily look like central eastern europe where cases are shooting up again. >> and it's been almost a year since life as we knew it changed, how many lives do you think would be saved if people continue to follow cdc guidelines, wear masks for a while longer? what is the difference here that we're talking about? >> well, you know, we're already at a good level with masks so if we keep going with masks and, you know, keep scaling up vaccination, which is what we all expect is going to happen then we expect, you know, about 65,000 deaths between now and july 1st but the daily deaths should be steadily going down.
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if people stop wearing masks, then you can get much higher numbers of deaths over the time frame. >> what percentage of americans right now do you estimate are wearing masks? >> you know, we're actually not yet seeing any decline. so we're still holding at about three-quarters of americans wearing a mask when they leave the home and we've been waiting for those numbers to start dropping. they started to drop in europe, but fortunately, they've held steady so far until the beginning of this week, which is our latest data and we're going to have to see what the new mandates coming off in texas and mississippi and elsewhere, what is the impact that will have. >> sanjay, where do you think we are in this? >> well, you know, i mean, everyone sort of talks about this idea of herd immunity, having enough immunity out there and, you know, there is a little discrepancy in terms of how many people have likely been infected
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but if you say 20% to 30% plus 10% of the country vaccinated so far, that's 30% and if we kept it the same pace of 2 million vaccine as day, 60 million people a month, you start to think may or so time frame is when you're starting to get to that -- that possible herd immunity where you have enough people vaccinated where the virus has a hard time finding a home. so where are we? potentially, we have had long conversations about this but two months away from herd immunity. it's not the same linear thing. herd immunity and all is said and done. as dr. murray said you can bounce back out of herd immunity again going into the fall. you know, there is going to be vigilance that will be necessary for some time. a summer vacation, things like that that may be planned this summer, i think people will have a much better chance of doing those things. >> and dr. murray, you know, epidemiologist michael osterholm says there is going to be
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another surge because of the uk variant in the next weeks. do your projections say that? >> our projections say that most likely things will slowly but steadily get better but in the worst scenario where people stop wearing masks faster, start having gatherings faster you can see a surge in april. what is happening in the northern states of brazil right now is really scary. they're having an enormous surge and that's in a place where 60% or 70% or even 80% have been infected in the past. so it does make us concerned that the risk is out there. >> and just quickly on brazil, i mean, if that brazil variant or the brazil strain comes here, what does that mean? i know it's here to some degree but if that becomes really widespread. >> it's very rare here, thank goodness. if it starts to spread a lot,
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then sort of all bets are off because not only does all that 20%, 25% of people who have been infected in the past, they're now susceptible but the vaccines we have currently are less effective. put those two together, we really want to try to keep the brazilian variant from spreading too far. but it's likely going to spread and that's why we think in the fall we'll see more of it. >> dr. chris murray, sanjay, thank you. we're going to continue the conversation in a moment. with that nearly $2 trillion covid relief bill passed, senator bernie sanders will join us. also, the story that commanded attention, the startling allegations involving racism and the accusations against the uk tabloids from that interview with the duke and duchess of sussex, prince harry and meghan markle and oprah.
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the senate passed would come wednesday morning at the latest. speaker pelosi also said she does not expect more democrats in the house to vote against the bill because of the changes made to the senate bill. let's get perspective on the legislation from senator bernie sanders. chairman sanders, thanks for being with us. you hear what speaker pelosi says. it looks like the bill will be signed by president biden this week and doesn't include a federal minimum wage hike, something you were determined to include. despite that, are you satisfied with what the bill ended up with? >> anderson, in my view, this is the most significant legislation for working people that has been passed in decades. and what this legislation is about is looking out around our country in the midst of this terrible pandemic, the economic decline, the fact that our education of our kids has been disrupted, that people are facing eviction, families are facing hunger. we've looked at all of these issues and said, what can we do?
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i think what shocks many in the establishment and certainly my republican colleagues, is that we wrote a bill to address the crisis facing working families and the middle class and low income people and not the wealthy and large corporations and their lobbyists. so this bill is enormously significant. and at the top of our list is the understanding that the american people know to be true is that we're not going to get our kids back to school safely, we're not going to get our economy humming the way it should be and create the millions of jobs we need to create unless we crush the pandemic and we are putting billions of dollars into making sure that we are producing the amount of vaccines that we need and we're developing a mechanism to get those vaccines into the arms of the american people. the biden administration i think in the last month has made real progress but we have a long, long way to go.
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because every day that somebody is not getting a vaccine is a day that that person may get the covid virus and die. >> in terms of the $15 an hour minimum wage, how do you want to proceed with that because clearly that's still something on your agenda? >> that's absolutely on my agenda, anderson. if you were to ask me what the great crisis in the economy today, we can talk about a lot of things. to my mind, the fact that half of our people are living paycheck to paycheck and that many millions of people are working for starvation wages, $8, $9, $10 an hour, you can't live on that. minimum wage has not been raised by congress since 2007 and it stands today at $7.25 an hour. so we are developing a strategy and if anybody thinks that the
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vote that we had the other day on the minimum wage is the last vote that is taking place this session, they're going to be very, very wrong. >> there are some democrats who did not want that. >> i know. believe me, i know. but at the end of the day, the american people want it. overwhelmingly large numbers of people support raising the minimum wage. the $15 an hour, eight states have already voted to raise the minimum wage to $15 an hour. many communities and cities have done the same. so we're going to do what the american people want and in one way or another we are going to pass the $15 an hour minimum wage. >> i want to go back to something you said at the beginning, that you think this is the most significant piece of legislation in decades. can you just talk more about why you think that is, and what does it say that, you know, the first relief -- at the beginning of this pandemic got overwhelming republican support, as well. this got no republican support, what does that say to you?
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>> it says to me that the republicans have turned their back on the needs of working families. they used the reconciliation process a few years ago to give a trillion dollars in tax breaks to the top 1% and large corporations. they used the reconciliation process to try to repeal the affordable care act and throw 30 million people off of the health care that they had. what we are using reconciliation for is to address the crisis facing working families. what does that mean? it means that hopefully within a couple of weeks some 85% of american households will receive a direct payment check. that direct payment will be $1,400 for every working class adult, individual $75,000 or less. couples, $150,000 or less.
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plus your children, family of four gets help of $5,600. and in the midst of this crisis, god only knows that millions and millions of families desperately need that boost. what this legislation does, anderson, is it addresses a crisis that this country has ignored for too long. we have one of the highest rates of childhood poverty of any major country on earth. this legislation will expand the child tax credit and lower childhood poverty in america by up to 50%. yeah, we're going to pay attention to the kids in america. many of whom are struggling for a variety of reasons. this legislation says in the richest country in the history of the world, people should not be going hungry. in my community, burlington,
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vermont, a few months ago, hundreds of cars lined up for emergency food packages. and this is taking place all over this country. this legislation provides help so that when the moratorium on evictions ends, people will get assistance to stay in their homes whether it's a rental unit or your own home. this legislation more than doubles funding for community health centers. in my state, about 25% of people get their medical care, they get their dental care, they get low cost prescription drugs, mental health counseling through community health centers. we are more than double funding it. putting money into getting doctors into underserved areas. we're putting money into making sure that millions of workers do not lose the pensions that they were promised. so this legislation is quite comprehensive in attempting to address the needs of working families and obviously, the next reconciliation bill will deal with the structural problems, not just the emergency problems of how we can create millions of
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good paying jobs, rebuilding our crumbling infrastructure, and transforming our energy system to protect us from climate change. >> senator sanders, appreciate your time. thank you. >> thank you very much. coming up, the duchess of sussex and allegations that drove her to thoughts of suicide. what the tabloids are saying in response to the interview with oprah of her and prince henry, when we continue. one for me? you mean us? what about me? and me? how about us? yeah, how about us? great question. wait, can i get one in green? got one for me?! hey, what about me? what about us? is there an ev for me? ev for me? us? what about me? me? for me? ♪ ♪ (dog whimpers) out here, you're a landowner,
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tonight for the first time the interview with prince harry and meghan markle aired in the united kingdom, with the duchess of sussex discussing thoughts of suicide and the couple's allegations of racism and claim the royal family did not support them during difficult times and blamed the uk tabloids. and the tabloids are hammering back. >> reporter: fights, camera, action. harry the hostage. kate made me cry. flashing headlines as british tabloids hit back after an explosive royal interview. >> it's been really hard. >> reporter: in a two-hour tell-all, prince harry and meghan, duchess of sussex, leveled bombshell accusations against two of britain's most recognized institutions, the royal family and the press.
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but in the aftermath, a deluge of stories focused on meghan revealing she'd had thoughts of suicide and their allegations of dysfunction and racism in the palace. one paper calls the interview self-serving. another nicknames the couple's rift with the royal family megxile. while american outlets appeared somewhat sympathetic, some uk tabloids seem to be venting their anger. in the morning news, reactions ranged from shock to dismay. >> i'm sickened by what i've had to watch. >> this is a two-hour trashathon of of the monarchy and everything the queen has worked so hard for. >> reporter: such media scrutiny is a key reason the couple said they moved to the u.s. prince harry saying the royal family was scared of press turning on them. >> that control and the fear by the uk tabloids, it's a really toxic environment. >> reporter: meghan spoke of the
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tabloids' unchecked racism comparing headlines of herself with those about her sister-in-law kate. but she laid blame for media pressure firmly on the royal family. >> we haven't created this monster machine around us in terms of clickbait and tabloid fodder. you've allowed that to happen. i think there is a reason the tabloids have holiday parties at the palace. they are hosted by the palace, the tabloids are. you know, there is a construct that's at play there. >> reporter: she also spoke of outlets working with her estranged father to publish private information, which has led to a lawsuit that she recently won. now, harry and meghan's tumultuous relationship with the uk tabloids seems to be continuing as the fallout of the explosive interview ricochets worldwide. >> and max foster joins us now from windsor, england. max, one thing that came up was
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an alleged conversation between members of the -- a member or members of the royal family and prince harry about the possible skin tone of his children. oprah provided additional information. >> she said harry discounted the queen and prince philip from those conversations about the skin color of archie. so we're pretty sure it's a member of the family that was involved in those conversations from everything that harry said in the interview and the subsequent conversations with oprah winfrey. the question is, who was it? that's a big question in the british media today. everyone is talking about it. they're also talking about the fact that we haven't heard anything from the palace on this. why has there been no statement? why are they not addressing the massive criticisms around a lack of duty of care for a vulnerable woman, institutional racism.
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huge allegations of course, they need time to think about that. the queen will have to give ultimate sign-off on it. are they thinking they can sleep on it and address it tomorrow? it's not clear. but everyone is waiting now. huge amounts of pressure on the palace to say something about these allegations and they can't address all the smaller things, the petty things, in relation to the larger issues. they have to address the large issues. we're awaiting a response. >> max foster, thank you. let's get perspective from bonnie greer, who i was able to be with covering prince harry and meghan markle's 2018 wedding. >> it was good. >> it was quite a day. she's an american born author. >> it was a great day. >> yeah. and playwright. she lives in the uk and gives her opinion on the royal family for the new european newspaper. bonnie, first of all, i'm wondering what you thought about certainly the alleged conversation around the skin tone of any royal children between harry and meghan. when you heard that, what did you think?
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>> well, that it was true. second of all, the thing that you learn when you live here and i've lived here half my life is that the british tend to have a different tone when they're speaking about things that we as americans are much more direct about. there is no question that this was brought up, but what did they mean? that's always the question, i think, when you are a foreigner here, especially an american because we think we speak the same language and we don't. and so who knows what the royal family meant. it was outrageous whatever they meant, and it just added to her trauma, which the tabloid newspapers and piers morgan's breakfast show really helped her to feel that she didn't belong here. >> you know, i couldn't help but while i was watching the interview, i couldn't help but thinking about you and the day
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we spent covering the really kind of glorious wedding that took place and the excitement that i think all of us had and so many people in the crowd seemed to have over the potential of what this might mean for the royal family moving forward. you know, just the ceremony itself was unlike any we've seen at a royal wedding and we really thought there was a lot of discussion about, you know, her, meghan markle's potential impact on the royal family, what she was going to face. i just found it so sad that it has all come to this. i mean, from that -- and even that day obviously we now know more about that day, what was happening behind the scenes, the trouble had already started, frankly. >> well, we were up in a tower, in a beautiful spring day in windsor, which added to it. i don't know if you remember that don lemon and i got into a
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kind of a tiff because he was saying that this was going to be a big change and i said it wasn't going to be a big change. because everything that happened that day was allowed, and i think that's what meghan began to discover is that the synergy between the royal family and the british people is deep and deeply unconscious. there has always been royalty in these islands from the dawn of history. they like kings. they like queens here. they have a love/hate relationship with them but it's something that is so -- i mean, i met the queen a few times, and you know, there are things you are supposed to do. you never look her in the eye. you're never supposed to approach her, and if you're living in her house and you're told that, and you're an american woman, especially from l.a., you think, well, what's up? what's this about?
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i'm sure it added to a lot of her trauma. people here -- i mean, britain, i love this country. it's been very good to me, and very kind to me. it's no more racist than france or the netherlands or the united states for heaven's sake but there is a very strong masculine code here so there is a streak of people being outraged and embarrassed by the fact that harry, who was in the military, on top of it, loves this woman and followed her. and so all of these tropes come together besides color to make this situation. it's horrible, actually. >> robin greer, lovely to see you again. thank you. >> it's good to see you. >> i'm sorry it's under these circumstances but hope to see you again soon. to our viewers, if you or anyone you know has thoughts of suicide like meghan markle did years ago, there are people that can help.
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you're not alone. here in the united states call the national suicide prevention lifeline at 1-800-273-8255. that's 1-800-273-8255. overseas, you can reach out to the international association for suicide prevention and befrienders worldwide. you can see those websites on your screen. and up next, the unexpected delays in the trial of the police officer charged in the death of george floyd, ahead. so abe and art can grow more plants. so they can hire vilma... and wendy... and me. so, more people can go to work. so, more days can start with kisses. when you buy this plant at walmart. ♪
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there was confusion today in a minneapolis courtroom in what was supposed to be the beginning of the trial in a former minneapolis police officer in the death of george floyd last spring. prosecutors had wanted to halt that jury selection until an appeal could be heard over reinstatement of the charge of third degree murder. an appeals court hasn't issued a ruling on the request and the judge ruled the jury selection will begin tomorrow. former officer derek chauvin is charged with second degree unintentional murder. also second degree manslaughter.
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he's pleaded not guilty. three other former officers were on scene and charged with aiding and abetting second-degree murder and manslaughter. they pleaded not guilty. i will speak with an attorney for the family of george floyd in a moment but first, randi kaye has a look at what took place last may and the impact. i want to warn you, some video you're going to see is graphic. >> please! please! please, i can't breathe! please, man! please! >> reporter: you're watching the last few minutes of george floyd's life. may 25th, 2020, in minneapolis. a police officer's knee on his neck. listen as floyd struggles to breathe. >> i can't breathe. please, your knee in my neck. i can't breathe. >> reporter: police officers had responded to a call about someone passing a fake $20 bill and found 46-year-old george floyd sitting in his car. police would later say he physically resisted arrest but surveillance video from a near
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by restaurant appears to contradict police claims. prosecutors said floyd told police he was claustrophobic as they tried to put him in the police car. soon, floyd is on the ground. handcuffed with an officer's knee forcing his face into the pavement. >> relax. >> i can't breathe, my face. just get up. >> what do you want? >> i can't breathe. please, your knee in my neck. i can't breathe. >> get up and get in the car, man. >> i will. >> get up and get in the car. >> i can't move. >> i've been waiting the whole time. get up and get in the car. get up and get in the car right. >> officer derek chauvin does not remove his knee. soon george floyd is motionless on the ground. his eyes closed. he's pronounced dead at the hospital. >> when you hear someone calling for help, you are supposed to help. >> reporter: an independent
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autopsy ordered by the family's attorney concluded floyd died from asphyxiation. noting the pressure cut off blood flow to the brain but the county examiner said floyd's heart failed, making no mention of asphyxiation and noted heart disease and the use of fentanyl and methamphetamines as significant factors. both autopsies ruled floyd's death a homicide. after floyd's killing, the minneapolis police chief fired chauvin and other officers involved. >> in my mind, this is a violation of humanity. >> reporter: floyd's death ignited a movement. protesters took to the streets in minneapolis and around the country. most were peaceful. but there was also looting and clashes with police. protesters echoed george floyd's final words. >> i can't breathe! i can't breathe! >> reporter: now his family is
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hoping justice will be served, not only for george floyd but for the young daughter he left behind. >> i want justice for him because he was good, no matter what anybody thinks. he was good. and this is the proof that he was a good man. >> reporter: randi kaye, cnn, west palm beach, florida. >> needless to say, the trial is going to be fraught with emotions from the george floyd family. joining me is antonio, the attorney for the family. thanks so much. can you explain just in layman's terms how you see this dispute over the possible third degree murder charge? there is obviously confusion about this particularly among people who aren't lawyers, about exactly what is happening. >> i see the third degree murder charge as kind of like the gap charge here. we know that attorney general ellison has charged derek
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chauvin with second-degree murder and also second degree manslaughter, but that's a big jump in between. there is a big jump in between as to what those charges are. so the third degree murder fills the hole just like mortar between two bricks. and what he's doing is ensuring that the jury has options in holding derek chauvin accountable. now, certainly, i have opinions about what happened that night. you know, it doesn't get any easier to watch the video but that's what that third degree murder charge is. >> and prosecutors, as you know, want to wait to proceed until the court of appeals says there is no need for this uncertainty let alone in a case of this magnitude. at least part of their concern is apparently that without a clear resolution, it could give former officer chauvin grounds for an appeal if convicted. does the floyd family share that concern? >> well, i think what the floyd family wants first and foremost is justice. they want justice, whether in
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that courtroom, whether out of washington, d.c., or in a civil courtroom. they are looking for justice. so clearly, i don't think anybody wants the opportunity for derek chauvin to have an appealable issue after this trial because the third degree murder charge was included or was not included, so we're just hoping to ensure that there is a clean trial and making sure that justice is achieved. >> beyond the dispute over the charges, how does the floyd family feel about the overall strength of the case? >> well, i think they feel extremely strong. i mean, look, when that video, as i said, it doesn't get easier to listen to or watch. this is somebody who was kneeling on someone's neck for over eight minutes, almost nine minutes, knowing that at a certain point in time, that knee on the neck was going to kill. i mean, there is only so much time somebody can go before you lose oxygen to your brain and your heart stops.
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this officer was there to protect. he was there to serve. he's a police officer. he's supposed to be a reasonable police officer, and a reasonable police officer should know when he could or might be causing death. >> gwenn carr, the mother of eric garner, said today she's warned the floyd family to be prepared for this trial because once in court they try to assassinate the victim again. first they murder him on the street and then they assassinate his character. do you believe that will happen in this trial? >> well, i think her words are wise. her words are wise because i don't know what else the defense can do but attack george. because if we freeze-frame george on may 25th, 2020, in that police encounter, we know that he was unarmed. he wasn't violent. once he was handcuffed, he wasn't resisting anymore. what else is there? there isn't much else there.
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her words ring true because they're going to have to attack character in order to divert attention away from derek chauvin. that would be the strategy that i would anticipate. >> obviously, there is going to be a lot of attention for this. we saw protests taking to the streets. what's the floyd family message to demonstrators? tonight and throughout the case? >> i don't think there's question the floyd family wants his name to continue to be stated. they want george to be heard not only during this trial but after wards. and we're fortunate to have george floyd's name memorialized in the house bill that named after him. so they're expecting people to be out there, to demonstrate. saying his name. certainly we want the city of minneapolis to be at peace. nobody is looking for any sort
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of injury or harm to people or property. there's no question that the exercise of free speech should be there. >> i appreciate your time. thank you. >> thank you so much. >> the initial investigation headed by retired army general and what happened in the capitol. that's next. my dvt blood clot... stayed on my mind... was another around the corner? or could it be a different story? i wanted to help protect myself. my doctor recommended eliquis.
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members of a security review team led by retired army lieutenant general russel honore faced some tough questioning today in the wake of the investigation ordered by house speaker nancy pelosi after the january 6th riots. ryan nobles joins us with more. what do we know about how lawmakers responded to general honore's report? >> reporter: there's definitely a partisan breakdown about this process, anderson. republican members are unhappy with the fact that russel honore is the person that speaker nancy pelosi tasked with leading this task force into looking into
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