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and may their memories be a blessing. thanks very much for watching, i am wolf blitzer in "the situation room." erin burnett with "outfront" starts now. 40,000 texas rangers fans packed in a stadium, is it a super spreader event or not? top infectious disease expert warns of a fourth surge and congressman matt gaetz is not resigning. good evening, i am erin burnett.
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this is the chief who fired chauvin after the arrest and death of george floyd, calling chauvin's action murder. today explaining why he's taking on an officer he knows well. >> if you believe this particular form of restraint if that's what we call it violates the department's policy. >> absolutely agreed it violates our department's policy. certainly once mr. floyd indices stress a >> the chief criticized chauvin failed to care for floyd once he
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is non-responsive. >> failing to ender aid to mr. floyd. >> the defendant violated our policy in terms of rendering aid. >> so that testimony came as we also heard from the emergency room, the doctor today who tried to save floyd's life, he told police floyd died from cardiac arrest due to lack of oxygen. sarah sidner is joining us live. >> reporter: we heard from the senior member from the police department, lieutenant zimmerman, he did not think what chauvin did was the right thing to do and certainly against the policy. now we heard from the head of the police department going after one of his own.
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>> reporter: the prosecution of derek chauvin's murder trial was his boss. the chief of police. >> attempt to deescalate the situation. >> reporter: the chief testifies chauvin violated the neck restraint policy and the severity of a potential crime. clearly when mr. floyd was no longer responsive and motionless to continue to apply that level of force to a person prone-out, handcuffed behind their back that -- that in no way or shape or form is anything that by policy and not part of our training and it is certainly not part of our ethics or values. >> reporter: we heard from the
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emergency room doctor who treated floyd when the ambulance dropped him off at the hospital unresponsive. >> did you pronounce him formally dead. >> yes. >> did receive a report that he received cpr from any update, any officers. >> any amount of time that a patient spends in cardiac arrest without immediate cpr decreases the chance of a good outcome. >> the prosecution is trying to prove it was from the 9 minutes and 29 seconds chauvin had his knee on floyd's neck. the defend is trying to refuse that saying it was drugs in his system.
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>> how about methamphetamine? >> it can. combination of the two? >> yes. >> the doctor testified paramedics report to him drug overdoses or extreme agitation. >> did they say purpose of caring or treatment given to mr. floyd that they felt he had suffered a drug overdose? >> not in the information they gave. >> reporter: the commander who was in charge back in may testified what she saw chauvin do to floyd was not consistent with their training. >> how is this differ? >> his emphasized position. that's not what we are trained. >> reporter: it is unusual to see officer after officer saying that what they saw especially on that by stander video tape and later on the body cam was not policies and as you heard the chief said it was against much
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more policy but their ethics as well. erin. >> sarah, thank you very much. i want to go to our "outfront" legal team, elie honig. elie, let me start with you. the chief who was chauvin's boss. his actions in no way shape or form in line with training. we knew his view. he was his boss and he's the chief, how damming was the testimony today? >> that was crucial testimony on a central issue in this trial whether chauvin's use of force was accessible. >> it was interesting to see the prosecution presented the chief to the jury. they established his credibility. it does not get any credible
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than the chief. he had a long and established successful career. forget about being an expert on the policy, he was smart and calm and measure and he engaged directly with the jury. he looked right at them and he said what derek chauvin did violated police training and practices and principles. >> today we see so much new video as part of this trial. areva, they're trying to make the case that chauvin's knee was on floyd's shoulder. he made clear that chauvin's knee was on floyd's neck until the ambulance arrived and at that point he thinks chauvin's knee moved. >> do you agree from the perspective of officer king's
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body camera, that the knee was more on the shoulder blade? >> yes. >> and areva he went onto say that was when the ambulance arrived looking at the video. that changed though that the knee may have moved. does this leave any doubt on the jury on what chauvin did and when? >> i don't think so, erin. defense has to use whatever evidence it can to prove its point but i think the compelling video tapes that we have seen and the emotional testimony from those by standers. they were there. we don't have to rely what's in the video tape. we can listen to what those bystanders saying. they did not say "get your knees
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off his shoulders." it was "get your knee off his neck." >> the knee was on the neck for a substantial period of time. he never turned on his side and render aid that chauvin did not do anything to follow the substantial training that he was given. >> what we saw today was the police chief is now multiple members of the minneapolis police department taking the st stand. not one defended chauchauvin's reaction. how unusual is this? >> this is as monumental day for those of us in law enforcement who said for years and years that blue wall of silence has been krcrumbling and this time u
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have a chief and commander and lieutenant and sergeant saying "this is wrong." they're talking abouts the risk assessment and the immediate threat. i really like when they got into that and the vseverity of the crisis. that was important to what the chief said. i think what the commander said also, this is not in our training. this is above and beyond. there are a great number of people applauding what these officers did and are saying right now. we can't continue those kind of actions. >> the point the chief made, we heard the chief say it was on
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chauvin's responsibility based on if they needed care. it came after the jury heard the e.r. doctor say this. >> any amount of time a patient spends in cardiac arrest, without cpr decreases a chance of a good outcome. >> approximately, 10% to 15% decrease in survival for every minute that cpr is not administered. and multiple minutes went by. chauvin did not to that. 10% to 15%. your chances of life are dropping by that amount. officers's responsibility to provide aid. the officers failed to do so.
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how aeeffective. >> here the doctor describes life and death every second or minute when you are in a medical situation. we have chief ardondo is saying, it gets to chauvin's intent. if he had any concern whatsoever for the well-being of george floyd. why would he have a minimum to render the emergency aid. >> the firefighter came into offered to help but she was turned away. it paints a damn picture here. >> areva, you heard sarah's
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report, he believe roy died from a lack of oxygen. the whole question is what caused the cardiac arrest. prosecutors had been trying to make this point that it was lack of oxygen. here is how the defense follow their argument. >> drug use. certain drugs can cause hi high -- specifically fentanyl or methamphetamine? >> it can. >> combination of the two? >> yes. >> do you think that's enough to create doubt for jury members. >> we'll hear a lot of testimonies about mr. floyd's drug use and his premedical conditions. all prosecutions have to prover was what chauvin did was a substantial cause of mr. floyd's death. we didn't hear these officers tell the paramedics to do
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anything they believer mr. floyd was engaged in some kind of drug overdose. if they believe that in your custody or care, they should have taken some action to address what it may have been. the drug issue for a lot of jurors are going to be a distraction. i think the focus here is going to remand the knee on the 29 seconds. >> itso chief, the other thing that chief aredondo said today was he did not learn any of these. he learned from a member of the community, here is what he said. >> a community member contacted me and said, "chief, have you
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seen the video of your officer choking and killing that man at 30th and chicago?" what did you make of that. the hchief did not hear about i until seven hours until it occurs. this is important to the credibility of the chief because it shows what the kmcommunity o the person and someone had to call him on his cell phone. the chief kept on mentioning the sanctity of life in how to treat people. how do you treat someone in your community? >> if you treat them with respect, they'll treat you with respect. those things stand out. he got this call from the community person of cbviously t
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more confident and carefree. tonight you are looking at 40,000 rangers fans. that stadium is sold out and crowded together for the first time since the pandemic began. globe life park is the first stadium to reopen at full capacity. it is the largest attendance since the country shuts down. doctors are warning of a fourth surge in the united states. we'll show you more picture of
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this. they don't have to wear masks while eating and drinking and they can be packed next to each other. that's what we are seeing. one of the doctors warning of a fourth wave is joining me now, doctor, i am glad to have you back. i want to give you a chance to talk about what we are seeing at rangers stadium. they sold 40,000 ticks and pretty much everyone showed up. what's your reaction to these pictures? >> america appears to be down at the pandemic, the virus is not done with us. it is the sense of not just being at the game, clearly being outdoor is safer than being in doors but just when ever you are with crowds could be in-doors whether in concession or transportation, these people are putting themselves at risk. we are seeing in the midwest of the northeast a resurgence of
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the virus and the variant b 117 is not long until it will surge the country. >> dr. scott gottlieb disagrees with you because he thinks that rate of vaccination should be enough to protect against another surge. walk me through your thinking as to why you are so worried of a fourth surge. >> scott's argument has been debated. look at michigan and minnesota where you have high levels of vaccinations, relatively to the rest of the country and already you are seeing the surge. michigan done a remarkable job getting its population vaccinated and last friday they reported 8400 cases of new coronavirus infections. while vaccinations is important, it is obviously a critical part of our long-term game plan.
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we are not going to have enough vaccines of the way we are going into the arms of enough americans over the course of the next six to ten weeks that we are going to stop it. it simply will not happen. >> i know that's the concern you had, bloomberg is saying it is going to take three months to get to 75% of the u.s. population if one assumes that's heard. which is an assumption. one thing you suggested that the u.s. should spread the first dose of the vaccine to as many people as possible. you would have them all be first dose. you get more people of one shot. i want to ask you about this. why do you believe a single dose is the right thing, obviously we know that efficacy can drop from 95% with two doses to 80% with a single dose and you have everybody on this vaccination schedule, it is difficult to
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know when to track who got a shot and how many months they got. what makes you comfortable with that? >> well, we put out our report about six weeks ago detailed how many thousand lives could be saved by going into single dose. it would not have any impact on the program whatsoever in terms of scheduling. if i went into get my first dose and my next dose scheduled three or four weeks now would be scheduled to eight to ten more e weeks from now. a single dose can produce high protection in the population when given. a cdc's population came out last week showing 90% protection of two doses after the second dose. we have 80% protection after a single dose and three weeks. if you have two people and i
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give one person both doses, they give 90% protection and the other person gives zero. i give each person one dose, they each get 80%. divide that by 2 is 45%. right now with the surge that's about to occur, this is what we want to do right now is to get as many people protected as we can so they don't get severe illness and hospitalizations and deaths. >> thank you for laying that math out. the math that you just laid out there. you know we keep on hearing how much of vaccines effective overall. we don't know anything about 1526 which is more transmissible and deadly in new york. we have not heard anything specifically with vaccines. how likely do you think it is of any of the variants out there and we are hearing of a new one everyday.
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>> well, most important message to get out of right is the variant that's most serious challenge which is the b 117, the one originated in the united kingdom is the one that caused more severe illness and highly transmissible. but the great news is that the vaccine is very effective against it. if we can get people vaccinated everyone with one dose for now, we can have a major impact. we are concerned about them. we need to understand the variant that is also can evade the immune protection of the vaccine and our natural infection and immunity that comes from that. we don't believe it just disappeared of the immunity but how much protection is still a question. the final piece is remember, there are billions of people in low and middle income countries, they won't have any access to this vaccine in the upcoming
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years. that's where i am concerned about over the course of the months ahead. where will these new variants come from that we could not even imagine today. >> right, it could come to a place of no protection whatsoever. thank you so much doctor, i appreciate your time. trump calling for a boycott and threatening coca-cola and dealt airlines of their new georgia's law. and matt gaetz, with the possibility that he slept with a 17-years-old. (giggling) that's my turtle. fraud protection. discover. something brighter.
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tonight texas governor greg abbott protesting against baseball. lieutenant governor jeff duncan is with us. i am glad to have you with us. do you agree with this decision?
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>> well, look, this is a difficult situation all the way around. i am a fan of biaseball, i spen six years in the minor league. certainly looking for the all-star game here in georgia. if there is an opportunity to change mlb mindset to get them back here to work together, i will be in favor of that. >> this is what we is doing, and president trump is calling a boycott of the mlb. do you think this is the right thing to do here? to boycott the companies that are upset with your law? >> yeah, i don't think boy boycotting is a good idea. i am one of those republicans that want to find a solution here. certainly don't want to make a point. i want to make a difference. i don't agree with the messaging around a lot of this. i don't agree with some of these
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companies have gotten their communications but look, this is an opportunity for us to set the record straight. the process actually worked here in georgia. there were some bad idea were really the root of rudy giuliani. the final product was bipartisan bills and ideas. that's no place to find a solution. >> i want everyone to know. you were there working on this bill. but let me just ask you that. the law makes voting harder in georgia. i want to begin the lieutenant governor, there is an consistency there.
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she has specific reasons for criticizing the law in georgia. she posted them in this video. i want to play them for you. >> senate bill 202 is a power-grabbing that's nothing less than jim crow 2.0. this republican past legislation was rushed through to avoid public scrutiny. the bill makes a crime showing compassion by offering water or offering a bottle of water. state house republicans seize power over the state election board and gave themselves the authority to move county officials who don't do their bidding. they place limits on access to drop boxes, shorten the time frame to request a mail ballot and more. >> how do you respond to these charges? >> these are the charges that move companies like delta and coke and the mlb to do what they have done. >> that video sounded light fear
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mongery. i didn't here stacey abrams mentioning anything of democrats. we realized the debacle started by donald trump. i was very proud to partner with a number of democrats and h helping chamber some of those ideas. look, to be honest with you, the outside edges are happy that this is happening. it creates more opportunities to create more chaos. that's not what this is about. when you are in a governing position, it is time to try to move through this. >> one thing that stacey abrams raised is the issue of legislature.
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the law remetloves the secretarf state, we all remember rappensberger. no, 6,000 dead people did not vote and this did not happen. he refused to overturn the state's election results. the legislature which is now going to get that authority, at least six state legislatures calling to over turn the results of the 2020 election. are you worried about this? >> yeah. i had spoken as loud as i possibly could against trying to go to a special session. i think i did it with you several times. i am not supportive taking punitive steps against ra
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raffensberger. this is a time and issue, too. it is just the timing of this. it would be like a professional sports team the next day raising their ticket prices. it just does not find right. >> which of the most thing that you found problematic. >> around rappensberger. i thought the timing was insensitive and not timely. >> i appreciate your time lieutenant governor, thank you. >> thank you, erin. next, matt gaetz says he won't resole proprietorship and addresses al legations he may have paid for sex and slept with a 17-years-old girl. >> this is as russia makes a
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tonight republican matt gaetz says "i am absolutely not
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resigning." that's what the department of justice is investigating tonight. paula reid is out front in washington. what are you learning of gaetz's legal moves? >> gaetz is continuing to build a legal team too defend him as this moves forward. another lawyer extensive experience in white collar crimes. it was not clear when that second attorney is added. it is suggested they may be able to defend financial transactions. one thing that gaetz did not address is the separate set of allegations reported by cnn that he was showing nude pictures that women he slept with to other lawmakers including when
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he was on or near the house floor. that conduct is not under criminal investigation but it is a series of escalating scandals surrounding the lawmaker. paula, thank you very much. let me ask you one more thing here. we heard from a former gaetz staffer today who said the fbi contacted him. as we try to figure out how serious this is and how far along they are, this is eight or nine months, what more are you learning of the staffer? >> what's so sbinteresting is t staffer is nathan nelson, he held a press conference in florida where he revealed that two fbi agents questioned him at his house about gaetz's conduct. the nelson denied of any activities. he said his departure was not
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related to the federal investigation. he's one of the few people who tried to come out and defend gaetz. when he was pressed on this specific allegation here. he said he didn't have any knowledge of the investigation and he had not spoken to the congressman in months. >> thank you very much paula. now, let's go to harry littman. you heard the reporting there from paula. what does it tell you that a former gaetz staffer who have not talked to him in mopts said the fbi contacted him last week. >> right, what he says say next to nothing. the fbi is going around and knocking on the door of former employees and we'll see if they'll join the same thing with the communications aid who quit last week. that indicates an investigation into full flower.
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this has been going on for eight months or more and it all started and comes back to florida political ally and sort of how, gaetz's name and joel greenberg. he is the one who supposedly furnishing young girls really and was using a website and who had the girl that is gaetz was parading pictures of down on the house floor. >> and you know greenberg has a big decision to make here in terms of what he's going t to -- is he going to turn on gaetz. >> if this was nothing this would fonot be out there right now. >> it is pretty sorted. whether it is illegal or not is the question. mr. greenberg's decision is going to be crucial, are they?
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you may have thought he was the higher up organizers but maybe not. he had a hearing add todd the docket on thursday that's called very blandly status conference. we'll he have a change of plea and if he pleads guilty that's a strong indication that he's going to give evidence against gaetz. yes, he has a big decision to make here. if the department wants him to plea, indicates that gaetz at least as big a player as greenberg was. >> now, which is pretty incredible. i know you are saying you could be looking at prison terms year at least ten years and it could be specifically more. >> gaetz and his opt-ed.
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i will not be intimidated or ex torted. you will see more drip, drip, drip, of leak to the media when you do ask yourself why. >> just to be clear here. again, i got to put the facts out. this investigation did not start with mayor garland. it started the attorney general bill barr. >> it is a bold life by gaetz and it really is sort of the refuge of a scoundrel trying to say it is all political. >> that dog we don't want -- he seems to have have few friends in congress and people are turning against him. it is possible that he could be looking at a crime and as you say ten years minimum or more
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but in any of that, if he's being tied at the rip with greenberg. he's a major, major trouble. >> and i think it is important what you just said of regardless of the age of the women. he could look at ten years >> thank you very much harry. i appreciate your time. >> thank you. next the pentagon right now looking at the arctic. we have exclusive satellite image. russia is rapidly increasing a military build up there. we'll show you what we are seeing. >> one jam g-- he nailed the routine.
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vladimir putin moves to sign a law to run for president two more terms to allow him to stay in office until 2036, if you live that long. nick, you got your hands on these exclusive satellite images and it's incredible what we're seeing, where this money is going and what they're building. tell me about them. >> it's important to remember, erin, this is only possible because of the speed arctic ice is melting. below that is russia's northern coastline and you can see in the map we show you how a lot of bases popped up along russia's northern coast. towards the east of this particular area, there are new radars near alaska in a place wrangle island and some new aircraft and jets. move a little more west, you start to see air bases like the one that sprung up in the last five years there are jets there, too. and there are also going on
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alexandria land like you were referring to. there are now jets there and also 31 jets all of this up near the arctic circle and russia's coast but still, leaning towards the ice there and further out west is something called a storage facility which experts think may be containing things for a russian super weapon if you'd like. they say it's tore peptorpedo, h torpedo to go past defenses and cause a nuclear explosion which might cause a radio active tsunami that could swamp the u.s. coast. sounds terrifying. many dismissed it at first as possibly a pipe drain but many experts think the testing happening in the months ahead may bring this to fruition. part of an array of weapons and military hardware in the north
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because russia wants to impose its will on the coast and also on what they want to see going along the north there which is a sea route for the suez canal even that russia wants to monetize. all this happening so fast leaving u.s. officials quite concerned as to how they fit into this. they sent bombers and marines to norway, too, but fast moving territory with the ice reseeding so much quicker and causing this new i'm balance to lever everyone nervous. >> thank you very much. appreciate your time, nic as we said get exclusive satellite images. the unique method a college gymnast is spreading the word about vaccinations.
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tonight more than 62 million people have been vaccinated and many received that vaccination card. many keep them in their wallet or pockets. a sophomore at the university of illinois. he executes basically a lawless
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va vault in a recent competition and flashed a vaccination card that he pulled out of his jersey. he had it on him. of course, the vault and card went viral. he tweeted go get vaccinated, everyone. officials used verbal gymnastic to get the vaccination message across. evan took it to a new level. tank thanks for joining us. anderson starts now. good evening. republican lawmakers declare war on major league baseball after it moves to atlanta over georgia's voting restrictions. we begin with important testimony in the testimony of fired minneapolis police officer derek chauvin taking the stand today, the doctor who tried but could not save george floyd's lifer and the police chief who told jurors what chauvin did to floyd went against department policy, training, ethics and values. omar jimenez joins us for coverage. >> reporter: the start of week two of testimony and the current