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so it's 11:00 eastern, 10:00 central. protesters are out on the streets in brooklyn center, minnesota. this is the fifth night in a row angry over the shooting of 20-year-old daunte wright. curfew just now taking effect. the officer firing the gun making her first court appearance a few mile away in a minneapolis courtroom. closing arguments are set for monday in the trial of expolice officer derek chauvin. he's accused of murdering george floyd. in chicago, a city is on edge after police released body cam video showing an officer shooting a 13-year-old boy. police stay teen was holding a gun. a lawyer for the boy's family insists the teen did not have a gun in his hand. we're going straight now to brooklyn center. that's where we'll find omar jimenez. the curfew is just kicking in.
what are you seeing on the ground? >> reporter: that's right. we just hit that curfew time. usually what we've seen over the past few nights, this is day five. a few minutes after that is when the police begin to move in. this is what you see. you hear the music going in the background. you hear everybody here pressed up against the fence. this is in front of the brooklyn center police department. you see the umbrellas up against the fence. what is different this night versus previous nights. there is a section, basically, another layer of fencing. as opposed to before, they were right up on the fence and police began shooting flash bangs and other things over previous nights. now you have a little more separation. and while we've heard chants over the, could of the night, now it seems to be in some ways a quiet before the storm. the chants have gone down. we've heard the music still going. you see the umbrellas, the attitude has remained the same. they want police to know they
are here. they want their presence to be known as we've seen over the course of previous nights. you would think day in and day out as we progress into the week that some of the momentum would die down but we haven't seen that. even though the numbers might not be what it was, the energy has remained the same. those are fireworks going off. we imagine as we move into the night further on, that those sounds could shift pretty quickly. so we're all kind of in a waiting game. the main message being chanted before was, in honor of daunte wright. they want justice for daunt wright. they want the full weight of the justice system to come down on kim potter, the officer charged in his case. >> omar, thank you very much. i appreciate. that i want to head to chicago. another city on edge after police released body cam
footage. police say the 13-year-old boy was holding a gun. ryan, another tragedy in chicago. tell us what happened. >> reporter: absolutely. when you think about gun violence, it seems so connected to this city. when you think about the stats, there are more guns confiscated off the streets here than in new york and l.a. combined. when you think about this, there is the shot spotter technology all through the city of chicago. when someone fires a gun, they acoustically pick it up. on the night in question, there were eight shots fired. officer got dispatched to the area. when they arrived, they saw two people running. the officer gave chase behind a young man who ended up being 13 years old and watch this video to see what happened next. don? >> stop, stop!
>> i think the toughest part covering this story so far, a lot of people out there don't seem to believe the evidence that police gathered so far. they believe there was no gun seen. in video. well, there is an image that police have shared where they sort of spotlight the gun. they believe he had the gun in his hand. i can tell you once the officer fired shot, he did rentaler aid to adam who is 13 who died from that single gunshot 1 to the chest. and they were able to recover that gun from the scene. they've also been able to match that gun to shell casings found at the other scene. and let's not forget, a 21-year-old was arrested in connection with all this. what is believed, i heard you mention this earlier. that 21-year-old after firing those shots more than likely handed the gun to the 13-year-old because he knew
13-year-old wouldn't face as serious charges as he would for having that same gun. there's been a lot of conversation about this. specially the family attorney from that young man. they say that the kid was just responding to the officer when he said, put his hands up, and that's when he shot. in the last half-hour, we had about 40 protesters walking through the streets of down chicago. they've all gone home. there were no incidents so far in connection with this. we're told tomorrow night is the night that police expect a large he demonstration connected to this. you see how tough policing is in a city like the with gun violence when that whole exchange happened within two seconds, don. >> ryan young, thank you. it looks like the protesters out there have all made their way, on their way home or whatever, but away from that scene. thank you. i want to bring in senior legal analyst laura coates and ron johnson. he was tasked with restoring
peace in ferguson after michael brown's death. good evening to both of you. i want to start by talking about the police act. there is body camera footage that shows that less than one second passed between the time in toledo with the gun and the officer fired the shot. if that's the case, what is going through that officer's mind? >> there is a lot of adrenaline. the officer is on edge. he's on edge like the young man that he was chasing. decisions are subplit second. this is tragic for both sides. the young man's family and the officer. when we dome have trust in policing, there will always be doubt and that's where we are in our country. policing is tough. that was a tough situation. i watched it. i won't analyze that situation. wait and see when the facts come out. >> a 13-year-old boy is dead.
that's the facts here. there are already calls for accountability. what are the real legal questions here? >> it's really the same as it's been. even the derek chauvin trial and other cases. what use of force is appropriate to use. for a fleeing suspect versus somebody not compliance. whatever that might be. officers still need to go through use of force to figure out what time of force is appropriate, including and up to possibly deadly force. the idea of a 13-year-old child. many people have so many questions as ron was speaking about and there's a lot. but notice there's a couple things that can influence the way people think about the trust game. remember just as in the case involving daunte wright, the police chief came out to talk about it as an accident. that can frame the narrative about things. the mayor of chicago came out and talked about how the city had failed this young man. that also continues the framing of the conversation and it can increase the widening of the trust gap when people are
watching footage of the video and asking themselves whether the officers can be trusted. whether they went and engaged in that use of force and ultimately, whether to extend the benefit of the doubt for what appears to be a split second decision. remember, it's never different in terms of what an officer is supposed to do. they have to abide by the use of force assessment and reassessment. even in a short amount of time. >> i'm speaking to everybody. i don't know how police officers do it. that's why i'm not one. they have to make those decisions and i don't want to have anyone's life in my hands and could take night moment's notice. laura, i want to turn now to the chauvin murder trial which you've been covering extensively. closing arguments are monday. the prosecution laid out their case with many witnesses. the defense just needs reasonable doubt in one juror's mind. do you think they couldn't vigsed anyone this week? >> you know, i don't think they
made a compelling case at all on the defense side. think about what you remember from this trial. you're going to remember the star witness. the nine minutes and 29 seconds video where you hear from george floyd. you see everything unfold. there you'll hear from the bystanders, a 9-year-old, the person who filmed it, to his girlfriend talking about who he was as a person, and including discussions about opiates. you remember the law enforcement officers in his department who said he did not do what he was supposed to do. the opposite of training. then you have pulmonologist, cardiologist, the medical examiner, all these people who are tipping that scale away from ever finding an acquittal for derek chauvin. noon, what do you have? a use of force expert who thought putting someone prone in hand cuffed on the ground was not a use of force and they could have used even more force against him? body cam footage from a fifth office here doesn't show the scene or intervening in any way?
and of course you have the medical examine here now introduced carbon monoxide as what he thought with you a plausible cause of death. you didn't hear from derek chauvin. that could speak volumes. >> laura, you just went through a lot. at some point i was wondering, is this too much? because they have to keep all of that evidence in their head. i think during the closing, as you said, they'll be reminded of that. multiple people testified against chauvin including the police chief. is that pretty rare? how rare is that in an officer involved shooting to have the police chief speak out against the police officer? >> that is rare but i think it is positive steps in our country to say that this old blue line and nobody will cross it, that wrong is wrong and i think those officers, the chief and everyone in that department was very professional and courageous in their testimony. and i think it will be impactful to the jury that heard the
testimony. >> yeah. and listen. specially for citizens in the community to hear the police chief speak out against the police officer, i think that carries a lot of weight. and as you said, it is very unusual. thank you both. i appreciate i. >> thank you. so i want to turn now to a former police officer dmitri roberts. dmitri, thank you for joining us. as a former member of the chicago police department, please give me your retook this body camera footage released just today. check out this footage. and i'll let it go to the freeze. hold on. the audio will kick in in a second. >> so listen.
that was, that was a freeze frame. we didn't pick it up. check out this freeze frame from the police body cam footage. do we have it? there we go. so on the left side, it shows a zoomed in version of what police say is a gun in toledo's hand. tell me what you see in this freeze frame here. walk us through this. >> well, it's very simple. in honor of all the folks that trained us in chicago to do the right thing out there. this was just the wrong thing. so no matter what it looks like, let's talk about what it is. the officer gave him verbal directions. and those verbal directions from what we see were being complied with. and at the end of the day, he did not have a gun in his hand when the officer shot him. so he simply is following verbal directions. as laura pointed out earlier, we have a use of force continuum
that gets drilled into our heads when we go to the chicago police academy. and that was not used. >> he's behind the fences and he's throwing the gun. as he turns around, you think the officer knows that he doesn't have a gun? in darkness like that? >> but don, that's the point. if he is not pointing a gun at that officer, if he is not the, the officer is the one with the bullet-proof vest on. he's the one who has the gun. and he's the one who had the heads up of the call that he was going into. we train for dozens and dozens of hours with scenarios just like this. when you don't see the gun in their hand or it's not being pointed directly ought, you put your gun away and you go and arrest them. or you get in a fight. you don't shoot and kill them. and i'm sick of all of us getting so wrapped up in what the officer is in fear of, what he should have done. it's very clear.
this is another kid in america getting killed by a grown-ass com. that's just unacceptable by any standards, especially in chicago where i ran in those same streets. where i had to chase dozens of fleeing individuals that have weapons and none of them ended up dead. so unfortunately, we have to take away from all the positive work that the thousands of chicago police officers are doing to focus on these unfortunate acts that this officers were well trained against to do the exact opposite. >> let's talk about -- i'm glad you said that. i appreciate your passion and your emotion. i'm not an expert. as i've been saying. police officers have very tough jobs and the split second decision, i don't know what i would do but i'm not trained for it. >> let me tell you something. you have to have the honor and the courage to stand in the face of danger that nobody else will. and if you simply do not have
the honor and the courage to wear the badge and do the job, you don't need to be there. that means you're not qualified to be there. that officer is not qualified to be there. specially on the hands of another young kid getting killed, and he didn't even know why he was running. who knows? it's a shots fired called. everybody runs. and everybody in chicago, if you're black or brown, you run for the police, too, for this very reason. so listen. we hear all this stuff. we talk about training and retraining. listen. the chicago police training that i went through was some of the best training that i've gone through in my life. and you know, i've been in the military, in special operations. and i tell you, this is not a reflection. chicago police department or the folks that train us to do the job the right way, or the honor that it takes to wear that badge and to do the job in the right way. >> so i want to ask you. earlier, someone from the police union was on.
i forget his name. you may know him. he talked about the dangers of policing. what the call was about. possible gang involvement. the kids should have been in school. those kinds of things. you're not buying those arguments? >> if i was from any other department or had not grown up in the city of chicago and went to becoming police in the same neighborhoods i grew up in, that has nothing to do with at the end of the day, a young 13-year-old being killed. it's a disgrace that these folks are still getting on tv and passing off the buck. call it what it is. it's a disgrace and a dishonor to the badge and to what police officers are getting out there and putting their lives on the line at the end of the day. if you're that scared, you don't need to be a cop and you especially don't need to be a cop in chicago. they just need to clean house.
i'm sorry. i'll let you go. >> no, no. i have you here to talk. >> they got a new administration in. we've seen the same thing with the insurrection in. we got a new president in. it's time for police departments across the country to clean house and this is a perfect example and the example in minnesota of why that is so necessary. but we also need the tools to help these officers be more safer, to reduce the level of anxiety and fear that goes on on both sides. both for the citizens and the officers. thank you always for having me on. i really, really appreciate it. >> i love your perspective. we will have you back. thank you for taking the time. i appreciate it. >> so a young black man in columbia, south carolina, in a neighbor this, pushed and threatened by a white ft. jackson soldier. i've been wanting to do this story for two days and now i have the opportunity. we'll show you what happened next. here it is after this break.
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>> this next story has gone viral. it's a u.s. soldier charged with assault after a video circulated showing him threatening and shoving a young black man in a south carolina neighborhood. now, we don't know what happened before this incident but there are questions about whether it is another case of walking while black. i want you to take a listen. >> someone came running -- >> walk away. you walk away. you are talking to my wife right now. walk away. walk away. you either walk away or i'll carry your bl[ bleep ] out of here. let's go. walk away. >> i didn't do anything. >> i'm about to do something to you. you'd better start walking. >> i didn't do anything to her. >> you'd better start walking. i didn't come after you. you're in the wrong neighborhood. get out. >> the wrong neighborhood.
it's 2021. that was just part of the video. when asked about the events leading up to the altercation, police wouldn't go into detail. they said other things occurred but they don't justify the actions of the suspect. that suspect is sergeant first class jonathan pentland. cnn has not been able to contact him. joining me now, south carolina state senator mia mccloud. she represents the area where this incident took place. good evening to you. this is your community. what goes through your mind when you see this kind of hateful confrontation? >> the list is endless. thanks for having me, donnell. what we are experiencing here is nothing new. we see it on the news every day.
i think it is nothing more than racialized violence. and as a mom of two black sons, i am frustrated and angry. and afraid for our young black men and women who are constantly subjected to race-based hate and harassment and violence. >> you've been speaking out about this incident. you received a voicemail about it and your office this morning. i want to may it for our audience. we don't know if this is one of your constituents. >> do you realize how white women are afraid to go to a black man wandering around? they're afraid they'll be ronald, they're afraid they'll be stabbed, they're afraid they'll be raped. white women live with this fear all the time. this is nothing new. and you stay out of neighborhoods where this could happen and you don't go down
certain streets because that's where the blacks live and they're shooting at each other. i don't know why that man was in, the one that was in a white neighborhood. but it does concern you when the blacks show up in your neighbor. what they're doing there. >> you can't make this stuff up. >> we don't know if it is one of your constituents. she seemed to know what she wanted to say and talk about it openly. this is blatant racism. is that what you're up against in your district in. >> that's what i'm up against in our state. not just my district. my district is not, we don't live in a vacuum. this is nothing new. she is, her mindset, of course,
is nothing new. she's basically the poster child for what we're up against. not only in south carolina but across the country. >> unfortunately we're getting confirmation from police that sergeant penland's home was vandalized by unknown protesters last night. people are angry. they're fed up. what is your message if it is indeed protesters who are vandalizing this man's home? >> well, it's really simple. that's what i am on the senate floor this week. people want change. they're demanding change. and i simply asked of my white brothers and sisters, i let them know. your silence is killing us. it really is. we want action.
not apathy. courage. not powerlessness. we want empathy. not enmity. it is that simple and that difficult at the same time. i mean, we are, this is a really critical time in our state's history and in our nation's history. we're at a breaking point. and i'm concerned, if we don't, if our white brothers and sisters don't wake up and realize that we may be the targets, but this is going to impact, this impacts everybody. it impacts all of us in our
communities. i did understand that the protests got out of control last night. people are just at a loss for how to protest, how to make their voices heard. how to stand up against all of these flagrant injustices. we need answers. we need leaders who have the courage to do what's right. not what is politically expedient. and we just got to, we've got to look at this issue differently. it doesn't just affect communities of color. this man lives in a predominantly black neighborhood, and yet, he almost seemed to have claimed ownership of the entire community.
i was blown away by that. clearly he didn't understand the diversity of where he lives. he talked about having a tight-knit community. we are one community, a tight-in it community. but not in the way that he, thought. >> well, look. no one's home should be vandalized. you don't condone that. >> i don't. >> and we cannot condone that. you said we're at a breaking point. i do say, silence is not an option. and you're right about, these cases, our white brothers and sisters' silence is killing us. it is not upon black people to correct the issue. it is possible the racist to correct their actions. >> i was at a community leader's
meeting yesterday with the sheriff. we looked around and talked about the fact that there were not any white community leaders present. that needs to change. >> it does. i have to go. i appreciate your time. thank you for your candor and your honesty. it's been nearly 100 days since the capitol riot. now we're learning about a police order that told officers to hold back their use of force despite warnings the capitol was under threat.
tomorrow will be 100 days since a mob of trump supporting insurrectionists stormed the capitol, attempting to overturn the election. today we're hearing scathing testimony about the intelligence and leadership failures that led to the riot. joining me now to discuss the senior law enforcement analyst and former deputy director, andrew mccabe. good evening. thank you for joining. so capitol police inspector general bolton telling officers to hold back use of force. five people died that day including an officer. two more officers committed suicide afterwards. who was being protected by that order? >> well, don, it's really troubling. you take that order and you consider it with the other statement by the i.g. he basically said that those civil defense units lacked any sort of organization or training or preparation or even adequate
rosters to know who was present at any given time. it's possible that order was the result of the disorder that led tom condition. so it seemed as if he was saying that the officers in charge held back those heavier more effective weapons because they weren't confident in their own officers' ability to deploy them effectively or to deploy them the way they're supposed to be used. so just a really, really troubling important trail of that service. >> got a lot of ground to cover. i want to move to sanctions against russia. president biden's sanctions. he is sanctioning multiple people and companies and expelling ten russian diplomats. it's punishment for russian interference in the 2020 election and the hacking of some of the government agencies and biggest companies. what message do you think that this sends to putin? >> i think the message is very
clear. this is going to hurt you. this is biden's first foray into russian sanctions and already they are much more serious. more broadly impacting the russian economic situation. and let's face it, don. the russians don't care about shape. they don't gary not being able to travel to the united states. what they care about is money. if the sanctions are going to negativively affect the russian economy, which these are designed to do that, they may have some kind of impact. the president saying he wants a stable relationship with russia. we're learning for the first time faye russian linked oper operative passed it along to russia's intelligence services. that's a clear line from the campaign to russian intelligence.
but trump gave manafort a pardon in december. >> well, we know, i guess it looks a little less like a hoax now. i hope so to the half the country that still believes that. here we have the government revealing for the first time the two sides of that connection being linked, right? not just that paul manafort who knew constantin with the years of working together in politics. we know that he work for manafort. manafort gives him campaign intelligence. we know the russian services use their intelligence to better direct their active measures and their misinformation campaigns and their influence campaigns, and now we have the link between how that intel got from the campaign over to the fsb. it is really extraordinary and i think it shows the campaign to be as malignly involved in this
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the replacement theory that white americans are purposely being replaced by immigrants color to change the demographic make-up of the country now being spouted by a house sub committee meeting. >> for many americans, what seems to be happening or they believe right now is happening, what appears to them, is we're replacing natural born, native born americans to permanently transform the political land scape of this very nation. >> so i want to bring in now cnn commentator amanda. >> good evening, donnell. we always talk about the fun stuff, don't we? >> oh, my gosh. what is happening here? can you let that sink in? this is a white supremacist conspiracy theory being spouted
by a republican member of congress at a committee meeting. >> this is almost becoming main stream. and here's why i think it is so powerful. this white replacement theory is the big election lie all over again. it is the same thing. there is this dominant straen of thinking that somehow the democrats often working with the media are working at conspiring together to illegally, fraudulently, import voters to displace the good republican vote. right? like this is, you used to only be able to find this on trumpy alt right internet threads. but tucker carlson is really taking it main stream and i kid not, framing it as a voting rights issue. >> it's like pizzagate, right? they're conspiring and they're doing it. let's watch. this you mentioned tucker.
here it is. >> if you change the population, you dilute the political power of the people who live there. so every time they import a knew voter, i become disenfranchised. everybody wants to make a racial issue out of it. the white replacement theory. no, no. this is a voting rights question. i have less political power. why should i sit back and take that? >> okay. he knows what he's doing. and he knows that's not right. but i think he does. but go on. >> here's my biggest pet peeve when i hear peeve like tucker espouse theories like this. who is they? can you name me the they? the big boogie man of democrats and the media. probably people like me sitting here on cnn. who is saying we need to import illegal new voters to displace
republicans? >> you mean you didn't vote for illegal new voters to go to the meeting tonight? the zoom call? >> i miss that had zoom call invite. tucker does know what he is doing. what he is doing is giving republican voters who are losing power did to demographics, an explanation wrapped in the most reasons possible. there is a lot of fan service that goes on with the maga media. it is all wrapped in vengeance, grievance, bad faith explanations, to really just pit us against them. so people like tucker can consolidate what dwindling political power republicans have. >> thank you. i'll see you soon. i appreciate it. gop congressman going after dr.
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so, take this. america is racing to get more people vaccinated as coronavirus variants continue to spread. but republican jim jordan choosing to attack the nation's top-infectious disease expert, dr. anthony fauci, over continuing efforts to slow the spread of the pandemic. >> what measure, what standard, what objective outcome to we have to reach, before -- before americans get their liberty and
freedoms back? >> you know, i -- you're -- you're indicating liberty and freedom. i look at it as a public-health measure, to prevent people from dying and going to the hospital. >> you don't think americans' liberties and been threatened the last year, dr. fauci? they have been assaulted. their liberties have. >> i don't look at this as a liberty thing, congressman jordan. >> well, that's obvious. >> i look at this as a public-health thing. i disagree with you on that. >> you think the constitution is suspended during -- during -- during a virus, during a pandemic? it's certainly not. >> you're making this -- this a personal thing and it isn't. >> it's not a personal thing. >> no, you are. that is exactly what you are doing. we are not talking about liberties. we are talking about a pandemic that's killed 560,000 americans. >> what number, do we get our liberties back? tell me the number. i don't want you to answer my question. the american people want dr. fauci to answer the question. >> time expired, sir. you need to respect the chair and shut your mouth.
>> somebody needed to tell him. come on, man. really? liberty. freedoms. what about people's liberty to live, their freedom to live, without getting a deadly disease? just put on mask. and do the work. may -- maybe, this would be over. by the way, that was congresswoman maxine waters shutting down jordan. it's hard to follow that, right? but, what congressman jordan doesn't seem to get is that, slowing down a virus that has already killed more than 565,000 americans isn't about assaulting freedoms or liberty. it's about trying to stop people from dying. maybe, if republicans encouraged their supporters to mask up, get the vaccine, instead of screaming and yelling. we'd all be free. free of this pandemic, a whole-lot sooner. thanks for watching. our coverage continues. the world around you may seem like an immovable, implacable place. it is not. it can be bright. quiet. and safe.
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good evening. it has been a busy and a difficult day, in addition to the first-court appearance for the ex-officer, police officer, charged in daunte wright's killing in brooklyn center, minnesota. and the trial, in minneapolis, of ex-officer, derek chauvin, in the killing of george floyd. video emerged today in chicago of the fatal police shooting of adam toledo, a 13-year-old latino. of course, all of the cases are different. each scenario and each investigation is unique, and we will treat each of them as such. there is no denying, the country is on edge. we'll be joined by the toledo-family attorney, our legal and law enforcement analysts are here as well. including charles ramsey, who is especially qualified to talk about what is, and what