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you get a shortlist of quality candidates from a resume data base claim your seventy-five-dollar credit when you post your first job at thanks for watching. our coverage on cnn continues right now. welcome to our viewers here in the united states and around the world. i'm wolf blitzer in "the situation room." the justice department has announced a sweeping investigation of the minneapolis police department and its practices including whether it engages in a the a earn or practice of unconstitutional or unlawful policing. this comes less than 24 hours after former officer derek chauvin was convicted of murdering george floyd. tonight chauvin for his own security is being held in an isolated prison unit as he awaits sentencing eight weeks
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from now. he faces up to 40 years. we're also following developments in columbus, ohio, where there are now growing questions about the deadly police shooting of 16-year-old african-american makiyah bryant. police are releasing more body camera video that appears to show bryant wielding a knife and officers warning her several times to get down before she seems to lunge at another girl and police open fire. we'll have more on that story coming up in an hour. let's go to our senior national security correspondent. what's the late where you are in the wake of the chauvin vict and where do things go from here? >> look. things are going to change around here. if the department of justice does find that there's a pattern of practice and misconduct with the minneapolis police department. as you mentioned a sweeping probe into the department and how it functions with the citizens here. it is a huge development here in
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minneapolis. we should also talk about the fact that the department has already responded and said that they are going to pledge their cooperation with the doj investigation. the department was sued several years ago before arredondo was ever chief because of some of the practices against black officers in the department and won a settlement with several other officers so he's well familiar with some of the ways that things work inside of the department and says he's been trying to change behaviors in the department as well. so you hear the police department is cooperating and the city council in minneapolis says that this is a good thing that they want this probe and they want to see what happens with the result of the probe. they have been asking for the doj to step in and ask what's happening for this department and others. listen to the department of
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justice coalition founder. >> this case is significant in the sense that it brought the reality of what black and brown people face into the living rooms of america. this is the same thing that happened when the march happened over the edmund pettus bridge, when the reality of what black people were facing was brought into the living rooms of america and that spawned a litany of legislation, and the same thing needs to happen with this as well. >> now, he was talking about this case referring to the derek chauvin case in which he was convicted of three different counts. two of them murder in the killing of george floyd. we should as tell you that derek chauvin is remanded to prison. we saw that live. he's being separated from other prisoners and is being kept in a safe and secure place because of the high-profile nature of the case and also because he's a former police officer and everyone is going to know his story. they are trying to keep him
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safe. they know that we'll have sentencing in the next several weeks. wolf? >> have we heard, sara, anything from the 12 jurors who delivered those unanimous guilty verdicts. >> reporter: we have not yet heard from the jurors. it will be up to the judge when we get the names of the jurors. the judge said when this was all starting that he would pretty quickly after the verdict put this out, but because of the nature of this case and because people around this world have watched this case he may take more time before he puts the names out. maybe we'll hear from one of the jurors, all of the jurors, all a wait and see at this point. i want to get more on the minneapolis justice department policing practice. president biden will discuss police reform when he addresses
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a joint session of congress next week. what is this? >> it's important for the president and how he doesn't want to slip from the forefront so he'll be mentioning that during the first address to congress. that's expected to happen next week and that will happen as the justice department is making its own moves tonight with its new investigation that sarah was talking about. wolf, we should make sure, to be clear, that that's separate from the investigation into whether or not derek chauvin violated george floyd's civil rights. this is another justice department investigation. this is going to be into the police department where derek chauvin worked and was later fired. the justice department is launching a new investigation into the derek chauvin case after the guilty verdict. >> this verdict does not address potential systemic racism. >> reporter: they will look into the probe of the practices of the minneapolis police department that employed and later fired chauvin. >> i'm announcing that the justice department has opened a
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civil investigation. i strongly believe that good officers do not want to work in systems that allow bad practices. >> investigators will look into whether the department engages in the use of excessive force, discriminatory conduct or unlawful treatment those with behavioral issues. the justice department will issue a report if it finds that the police department violated the law. >> building trust between the police department and community will take time and effort by all of us. >> reporter: but federal investigations can take months and even years and the white house wants congress to step in now. >> the president and i will continue to urge the senate to pass this legislation. >> it shouldn't take a whole year to get this done. >> the police reform bill named after george floyd passed the house in march but faces an uphill battle in the senate. >> we will not rest until the senate passes strong legislation
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to end the systemic bias in law enforcement. >> the floyd bill would ban chokeholds, create at national police misconduct registry, mandate the use of deadly force as a last resort and end qualified immunity. it's that last part that has divided law professors. republicans are organizing that police officers shouldn't be stripped of the shield that can protect them from lawsuits. >> i don't think though that the answer is to get rid of, a categorical way to get rid of sovereign immunity for our police officers. i think their job is hard enough. >> reporter: representative val demings shouted down congressman jim injury dan after she criticized a republican amendment for a covid-19 hate crimes bill. >> you know, it's interesting to see my colleagues on the other side of the aisle support the police when it is politically
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convenient to do so. >> the amendment would include efforts to defund the police which demmings called irrelevant since the bill doesn't propose that is. >> law enforcement officers risk their lives every day. they deserve better and -- i have the floor, mr. jordan! >> the gentle lady has a floor. >> did i strike a nerve. >> the gentle lady -- >> quite an exchange there, wolf, but back to the justice department. we should note that vanita gupta has been confirmed as the associate attorney general. she barely got across the finish line. senator lisa murkowski saved the vice president from having to cast that first tie-breaking vote to get her confirmed, and in this position she's the first civil rights lawyer and woman of cole tor have this number three job at the justice department, but also she's going to be overseating civil rights division and, of course, wolf,
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that's the division that president biden wants to look into systemic racism. >> let's go to our political commentator, bakari sellers with us and cnn national correspondent sara sidner is with us as bell. bakari, derek chauvin is facing sentencing in about eight weeks or so. what does the judge take into consideration here especially since the sentence for each of these three charges is served concurrently, not necessarily back to back. >> well, first, thank you, wolf, for bringing that point up. i think a lot of americans will learn the different in sentencing between concurrently and consecutively. there are a lot of people hoping and wishing that there is a sentence that they believe matches the crime which is an extension you have long sentence where people spend the rest of their lives in prison. that's not going to happen in this case. in fact, this judge will be governed by the sentencing guidelines, the citizen guidelines take into account
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what people have done prior to their arrest. their criminal history which is hugely important, the nature of the crime, the facts and circumstances, et cetera, and so i think when you look at the guidelines. the judge can go above the guidelines or below the guidelines but i do think that most of the individuals who saw the video and most of the "people" individuals who were relieved he was found guilty of murder will find some level of disappointment in the sentence handing down due to the guidelines and his criminal history. >> it's now up to the judge. is there any chance, elliott, that chauvin potentially could successfully appeal this conviction? >> of course there's always a chance that one can successfully appeal a conviction, and if you noticed towards the end of the trial, his lawyer started making a number of objections preserving the right to appeal them. for instance, this whole question of publicity around the trial and whether it tainted the
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jury. that -- that chauvin was unable to get a fair trial because of the amount of publicity, and virtually every major objection that they raised during the trial will be the kind of thing you'll see on appeal. finally the big one is the third-degree murder conics have of the right now the minnesota supreme court is weighing in the case of mohammed n ho rr, another police officer who was recently convicted of third-degree murder overs whether and how officers can even be convicted of that charge. there's some specific wording in the statute that makes it a little bit more legally complicated so you'll see a few appeals. it's his right, and it's going to happen. >> yeah, i'm sure it know, bakari, what does the chauvin verdict mean for the three other police officers there on the scene with chauvin involved and they will be going to trial, we're told, in august. >> well, if i was their lawyer it would mean two words. plea deal. i think you saw what the appetite was. you saw what type of case derek
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chauvin was able to put up, one that was not successful, one that didn't appear to have many resources, one that was flailing by all accounts at best, it's bush it's really very difficult to defend the indefensible, and although these individuals may review their roles as being bit actors, i think the prosecutionors in keith ellison's offers and the world view them has people who contributed to, aided and abetted a man dying, and so i think that they will -- that this is a word that lawyers oftentimes tell their clients. i think they will be looking to be placed in the best possible situation which is to take a plea deal and go sit down for a period of time. >> yeah. try to get some sort of reduced sentence if you just plead guilty. sara, cnn analysis shows there was a drop in minneapolis police use of force immediately after george floyd's death, but force is still used disproportionately
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on black people. does that reflect what you've been hearing from the community? >> 100%. i mean, the folks in the community have been saying this for a very long time, and it is something that isn't just a problem in minneapolis, and they want that to be clear. they really feel quite strongly that this doj investigation should span more, more police departments, not just minneapolis, and they realize that the reason why -- one of the reasons why the doj is looking at minneapolis is because what have happened with george floyd, but there are a lot of folks in and around minneapolis as well. can you name the city where people feel that this should be a larger investigation, but can i speak quickly to the point of what the other officers may be thinking and their lawyers. i spoke with one of the lawyers for one of the officers. thomas lane's lawyer. i didn't speak to him after the verdict, but in the weeks leading up to this, i had a quick conversation with him. if you look at some of his filings, he is one officer
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where, you know, i don't know if he's going to take a plea deal because we'll see because he asked twice while george floyd was in the prone position with his handcuffeded behind his back and he asked twice shouldn't we turn him over. can you see that on the video and he mentioned excited delirium and he sounded like maybe we should turn him over. i know he was not in a senior position, chauvin was, but he did ask a couple of times and that's been a point brought up in the court files so it will be very interesting to see how those three cases, three separate cases play out. >> yeah. there's a while to go between now and august. guys. thank you very, very much. coming up, police release more body camera video amid growing questions about the deadly shooting of a 16-year-old african-american girl in columbus, ohio. plus, experts say the u.s. will soon reach a vaccine tipping point with supply outpacing demand.
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we're following new reaction to the derek chauvin murder conviction and what it means for the future of policing here in the united states. for more on that we're joined by democrat congresswoman karen bass of california, the co-author of the george floyd justice in policing act. congresswoman, thanks so much for joining us. i know you say this verdict could help get police reform over the finish line in the u.s. senate. you've about working on this with republican senator tim scott. where do things stand? where do the talks stand right now? >> well, we're still in informal talks. there's no formal negotiations that have begun, but i just have to tell you that all of us exhaled when we heard that verdict and the energy that is there. it's the type of momentum and positive momentum that i think will help get us over the finish line. ful verdict had been another way it's no telling what we would be talking about right now, but it certainly wouldn't be positive, so i was just on the floor
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talking to my republican colleagues. they are energized, and we need to stick with it, and our next step is to begin formal talks which i hope will begin soon. >> senator scott says democrats are, in his word, receptive to a compromise on what's called qualified immunity which protects police officers from civil lawsuits. is it enough for you that police departments could be sued but not necessarily individual police officers? >> well, you know, i think it's important that we examine it, but what's most important to me is that police officers have to be held accountable, and qualified i municipality and section 242 which is lowering the standard to prosecute officers which is why they are so rarely prosecuted, those are real key components to the bill and we have to make sure that that's there. that's why derek chauvin felt so cavalier about torturing george floyd to death. >> president biden will address
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this issue. it's a very important issue when he speaks before a joint session of congress next week, but can any police reform pass in the senate? not talking about the house, but the senate with the filibuster in place. can you get ten republicans to join all 50 democrats? that's what you will need. >> well, absolutely we will, and i think with the leadership of tim scott and cory booker, i think the stage is set for us to do that. we've had very fruitful conversations. i know that senator scott is an honest broker. he is serious about getting something done, and he's also committed to working with his colleagues and bringing those republican votes. i can't bring the republican senators along, but i do have confidence that if they will follow tim scott's lead that we'll be able to get the votes that we need in the senate. >> clearly he might be able to do it among his republican colleagues. i'll be speaking, by the way, in the next hour with george floyd's brother philonise. he says it's time for the senate to do its part, his words, and
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pass the bill named after his brother. do you think congress will be able to deliver by the anniversary of george floyd's death next month? >> i think we have to. i don't think there's any reason for us not to put a bill on president biden's desk by that time. we have been talking about this now. it will be a year, so there's no reason for us not to act, and that's why the momentum from this verdict and frankly the positive peaceful protests have been helpful in contributing to that momentum. >> what was it like when you and your colleagues heard the verdict yesterday? take us into that room. i know it was an emotional moment for you. >> well, it was a particularly emotional moment for me because i had to flash back to 1992 and rodney king, and there i was devastated at the verdict, and yesterday i was just renewed, relieved, but i will tell you
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though that it was a great verdict from my point of view, but the verdict is step one. now we need to have a sentence that is the maximum sentence. you know we won't real be able to relax until that happens because the few times we've seen people convicted, we also have seen judges turn around and give them a slap on the wrist, and he just cannot do that this time. he has to have the maximum sentence. the world watched that crime take place and that is the only thing that will be an example of justice. >> the maximum sentence could be up to 40 years. we'll see what happens when he sentences in about eight weeks or so from now. before i let you go one final question, congresswoman. your democratic colleague maxine waters, us a well know, all of you know, she had urged protesters to get more, her word, confrontational if derek chauvin was acquitted. are you concerned she may have inadvertent lip actually given chauvin a leg up in a possible
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appeal? >> i can't see how that could possibly be an appeal point, and what we saw after the verdict were peaceful, positive protests, and not protests. it was really more of a celebration, so i think that that would be an incredible stretch to say that's why there should be an appeal. the jury was sequestered, so i don't know what that would have to do with the verdict that they came to. >> congresswoman karen bass, thanks so much for joining us. >> thanks for having me on up. >> next, we're going to have a live update from columbus ohio where police have just released body camera footage after an officer fatally shot a black teenager wielding a knife. (man) eye contact. elbow pump. very nice, andrew. very nice. good job. next, apparently carvana doesn't have any "bogus" fees. bogus?! now we work hard for those fees. no hundred-dollar fuel fee? pumping gas makes me woozy. thank you. no $600 doc fee? ugh, the printing, the organizing. no $200 cleaning fees.
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tonight grief and anger in columbus, ohio after an overs fatally shot a black teenage girl who appeared to be hold hag knife during a fight with two other young women. we're just getting some new body camera video in from the police which could shed some new light on the situation. we want to warn our viewers that the footage you're about to see is very graphic. cnn's jason carroll reports. >> hey. >> what's going on? what's going on? >> hey, hey, hey! >> get down. get down. get down. get down. >> it all happened in seconds, a police officer opens fire shooting and killing 16-year-old makiyah bryant. the chaotic moments before the shooting captured by the officer's body camera. >> she had a knife. >> tonight the city of columbus release the two 911 calls placed
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tuesday afternoon. >> the address is -- >> we've got these girls over here trying to stab us and put her hands on our grandma. get here now. >> reporter: city officials released body camera video from the police officer who shot the teen as well as the body camera video from two other officers. the officer quickly gets out of the patrol car and runs into the group in a driveway in a home when one teenager moves towards another person appearing to push her to the ground. reardon can be hurt to shout get down and that's when the girl appears to lunge at another female in pike. the officer shouts to get down several times and fires his gun. four shots can be heard on the tape. >> are you serious? >> police released this slowed down footage of the body camera
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video as well. it appears to show a knife in makiyah's hand as she raises above her hand towards the person wearing pink as the overs officer begins shooting. after the shooting the female in pink spoke to officers. >> she came after me. >> with a knife? >> yes, so he got her. >> we don't yet have all of the facts about but we do know that a 16-year-old girl, child in this community, tragically died last night. this is a failure on part of our community. some are guilty, but all of us are responsible. >> franklin county children's services says makiyah was in foster care in the county. her mother paula brian spoke to tv station wbms. >> she was a very loving, peaceful little girl. she promoted peace. >> say her name! >> say her name!
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>> protesters took to the streets in columbus tuesday night to voice their outrage. the shooting happened just 30 minutes before minnesota police officer derek chauvin was found guilty on all three counts against him in the killing of george floyd. wolf, there have been a lot of questions about whether or not the officer in question, officer nicholas reared op, whether or not he could have used a taser rather than a gun. police were asked about that late this afternoon and police made it very clear according to their policy an officer can use deadly force if that officer is trying to stop an assault from occurring. of course this, will all be part of an independent investigation that is taking place. the officer in question has been taken off street duty pepgd the outcome of that investigation. wolf? >> jason, thank you. jason carroll reporting. let's get some analysis from former missouri state highway patrol captain ron johnson.
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captain johnson, thanks so much for joining us. as you head, the mayor of columbus says this overs, quote, took action to protect another young girl in our community, direct quote. what did this officer have to weigh in these kinds of circumstances? >> well, he's weighing serious injury or death that could occur to another, and so that's what he's looking at and then he's going through his mind. different force continuum levels that he can use in this situation. >> as you know, there are folks saying that this fatal shooting was actually disproportionate, but the police chief says generally, and i want you to confirm this, officers are trained to respond to deadly force with deadly force. is that the case here? >> policy gives you that -- that authority to do that. i wouldn't say that happens in all cases. sometimes officers can use different methods that are appropriate, and it just depends
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on the situation and how things are analyzed in the heat of the moment by the officer. >> we can see in the video that the 16-year-old girl makiyah bryant did have a knife, but it doesn't change the fact that she's -- she was a 16-year-old girl and she's dead. was there any opportunity here, do you believe, potentially to use a taser or some other way to de-escalate this situation? >> that would be hard to say from this vantage point and seating video. the thing that i would caution is that we're pretty quick sometimes as chiefs and leaders to say that it was authorized. i think we should just say that we're in the investigation phase and let's -- let all the facts come together. i think when we say it so quick i think because there's a distrust in our communities, then we think that you're too quick to -- to clear the officer involved. >> captain johnson, thanks so much for joining us. >> thank you. just ahead, experts warn
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the rapid vaccination effort has already saved tens of thousand of american lives. >> reporter: and it's bad news. just over a quarter of americans are now fully vaccinated. that needs to maybe triple to reach herd immunity. it could be close. only 61% of adults said they had or want the shot, so that poll is a month old. >> obviously there is an element of vaccine has tansey or concern that we need to address. >> i'm calling on every employer, large and small, in every state, to give employees the time off they need with pay to get vaccinated. the irs is posting instructions for how employers can get reimbursed for the cost. >> some states and local governments were banned from mandating vaccine passports to prove inoculation. >> anybody wants to come no my business, i would never ask them those questions. i think everybody has their own rights and we want to keep our
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rights. >> reporter: and the actual virus, red is bad, means case counts are climbingance and there's not much red on that map right now. still on average nearly 64,000 new cases are reported every day. >> we all need to mask up until the number of cases goes down. >> reporter: and the rest of the world really matters. last week globally the most cases ever recorded in a week says the w.h.o. and just look at that line in india. cases and deaths are soaring. and on some better news, there's a lot of talk about how well these vaccines actually work out there in the wild, and a study just in from rockefeller university in new york, 417 employees were fully vaccinated and after vaccination only two of them then caught covid-19, the so-called breakthrough infections. that is a very, very low, very,
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very good number. >> wolf. >> the vaccinations are so, so important. >> nick watt in l.a. thanks investment let's get some more on the latest pandemic developments. our chief medical correspondent dr. sanjay gupta is with us. san you heard president biden celebrate 200 million doses of the coronavirus vaccine given under his administration, so where does that put us in terms of overall vaccine strategy? >> well, it's -- we're going pretty fast here, wolf. i mean, obviously there's these targets that it took to, but it took two months to get to 100 million doses at ministered and another month to get to 100 million. let me show you the age breakdown here. let me show you. this shouldn't surprise you. overall you're seeing older americans getting vaccinated at a faster rate. if you're over 65, about 60% of people have had both shots and 80%, at least one shot. over the next month, you know, you'll seat numbers creep up obviously even more. as you go further and further
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down, that's where a lot of the attention will be need to be focused over the rest of the spring and the summer to make sure that younger people and then maybe even kid, wolf, as you know. the trials for kid will be getting -- will be seeing some results there, too. that should happen over the summer as well, wolf. >> this milestone, sanjay, comes as a survey shows we're approaching a tim point where vaccine supply will outpace the demand for these shots. what could be done to fix that problem? >> yeah. i think we're sort, you know, maybe already in some parts of the country. it's not going to happen in the entire country at once. i found this poll. i wouldn't to show you this poll. i found this real interesting looking at the willingness for people to get vaccinated, and, you know, i don't know if you can make that out but the black line are people who have already gotten t.61%. we sort of just gave you the those numbers. the bottom line is say people only if required and that's about 7%, and then definitely
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not, about 13%. but it's that blue line that's in the middle, that's going doubt. you can see that one across the middle of the graph there. 17% of people say they will wait and see. they are kind of the moveable middle in all this, so people who, you know, they are not saying definitively no, but they haven't been anxious to get in line either. if they can get on board and you get all 17% roughly there, then you're starting to get closer to 75%, 80% of the country vaccinated. that would be really important. there's obviously people who say only if required, and it will be required, i mean, in terms of getting to herd i municipality. maybe not mandates necessarily, but that's sort of how it breaks doubt. i found the blue line particularly interesting. wait and see. that's been coming down but it's about 17% now. >> these nokes have to be convinced to go ahead and get the shot. dr. fauci always says you need 75% to 80% of the population vaccinated in order to reach the
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herd i municipality. studies are showing promising results in terms of breakthrough coronavirus infections in fully vaccinated people. these are people who are fully vaccinated but might still get covid. what does this data tell you? >> well, keep in mind i'll show you the data. keep in mind as you're looking at this the that the initial trials, what they were really trying to figure out is how good are the vaccines at preventing you from getting sick? open question a little bit. how well are they doing from preventing you from getting infected? made sense that you would think it would do a good job of getting infected as well but hoe well. they looked at the chicago nursing holes, i think it was close to 650 people and they basically tracked them over time and basically, you know, 71% -- at the point that 71% were vaccinated, of the people who had breakthrough infections, 71% were not vaccinated. people who were fully vaccinated had a breakthrough of about 4% so about 22 people out of 650 or
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so people who were vaccinated that actually had a breakthrough infection, so i hope that makes accepts. i'm not sure i explained that perfectly well. the point is if you're fully vaccinated, it tremendously reduced your likelihood of becoming infected and that's good news. i mean, this is the real world data that we've been sort of waiting for. that's one example where nick watt showed similar results. we've seen this in israel and other countries around the world so it appears increasingly good news, wolf, that the vaccine not only prevents you from getting ill which is really good news, does a really good job, not 100%, but preventing you from feting infected. >> most importantly if you do get infected it prevents you from getting very sick, hospitalized or dying. that's why the shots are so important. dr. gupta, thanks so much for joining us. coming up, more than a thousand people have now been arrested in russia as they protest the imprisonment of the
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opposition leader alexei navalny. plus, we're getting new details of how derek chauvin is being held in custody as he awaits sentencing for the murder of charge floyd. m.l.
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we're following a very tense situation in russia right now where forces have detained more than a thousand protesters protesting against the imprisonment of alexei navalny. >> reporter: there's mass
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demonstrations that happened not only here in moscow but dozens of cities all across russia and a lot of security forces out here on the streets. just in moscow alone, we saw tens of thousands of people marching right here in the city center. i'm very close to red square which is cordoned off with security forces. the people who are demonstrating here were calling vladimir putin a killer, calling for alexei navalny to be released. first and foremost they were calling for him to be allowed to see his own doctors. we know that alexei navalny has been on an extended hunger strike in captivity. his organization says his health is very frail and he needs to be able to see doctors that he trusts and so far that simply isn't the case. there were some pretty ugly scenes that happened in russia in st. peterburg. we saw reports of police beating some of the protesters there. if you look at the picture, i just got some updated numbers, it's now almost 1,500 protesters
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that were arrested just today and the bulk of them also happened in st. petersburg. so really a very different picture happening there. but once again the protesters calling for alexei navalny's release and calling for him to be able to see his doctors. you can clearly see the security forces here remaining very defiant. vladimir putin remaining very defiant. the protesters also saying they're not going away any time soon, wolf. >> the u.s. is warning russia both publicly and privately that russia will be held accountable if navalny dies. how is putin responding to that? >> yeah, he's obviously saying that no one is going to tell him what to do. the protesters didn't choose this date at random. it's the state of the nation address, the annual one that vladimir putin gives. there he made very clear that he's not going to listen to any sort of other countries. he said there are clear red lines for russia, as he put it,
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red lines that are defined by russia and that he would not tolerate other countries crossing those red lines. he said that russia would strike back in an asymmetrical and very tough manner as he put it. it was quite interesting in that speech because he made those remarks right before speaking about russia's new nuclear weapons capabilities and showing off some of the big weapons we've been talking about that the russians have been developing, so clear warning to the u.s. and other countries not to get involved in russian affairs and clearly stating that vladimir putin at least as far as alexei navalny is concerned certainly isn't willing to listen to other countries. wolf. >> obviously a very, very sensitive and potentially explosive moment unfolding right now. fred pleitgen in moscow, thank you very much. coming up, we have details of the sweeping new federal investigation into the minneapolis police department in the wake of former police officer derek chauvin's conviction in the murder of george floyd. [typing sound]
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welcome to our viewers here in the united states and around the world. i'm wolf blitzer in the situation room. tonight the nation is grappling with the next steps toward racial justice and police reform, a day after jurors delivered three powerful guilty verdicts convicting derek chauvin in the murder of george floyd. the justice department is launching a sweeping civil rights investigation of police practices in minneapolis, including the use of force. as for chauvin, the former police officer is now facing up to 40 years behind bars.
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he's being held in an isolated prison unit for his own safety awaiting his own 17 sentencing eight weeks. i'll speak with george floyd's brother and legal attorney, ben crump, standing by. officials in columbus, ohio, are promising transparency and accountability after an officer shot a black teenage girl. authorities say she was attempting to stab two other girls with a knife. but let's start our coverage this hour in minneapolis. omar jimenez is joining us right now. the verdicts are in but derek chauvin is still waiting to learn his punishment. give us the late-breaking developments. >> reporter: that's right, wolf. it's going to be a little under two months before we learn what that sentence is going to be, and it's going to be a fight to see how many years he actually gets, which will come down to factors like his previous criminal history and the severity of this


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