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experience serving those warrants to minimize mistakes. >> chief madry, what happened? in the daunte wright situation, it was originally described by police as an accident. is using a gun instead of a taser under pressure an accident, or is that something the vettingveteran officer shou able to manage better? >> don, i saw the video of that situation, and it escalated quickly. it was a very rapid-moving situation where it looked like at first it was going to be a compliant arrest, and then things changed. i heard the officer yelling, taser, taser, but she drew her gun. i really can't speak to what happened with her. i mean, there is a big difference between the taser and a gun. they're two distinct weapons. it was just a tough situation
out there, and the officer found herself in a tough situation and had tragic results. you know, in minnesota they're doing the investigation, it's an active investigation, and the district attorney is going to follow through with it. but, you know, it really falls back on training. we have to make sure officers continually train with their service weapon, with their taser, and sometimes bewe try t put them in high intensity situations, but when you're out there in the street, it takes a different turn because it's for real out there and the officers want to be safe. >> yeah. so i want to ask you, chief scott, what do you think is going to help this? what's going to help? >> don, first of all, we have to really appreciate and move
forward with what history has taught us. you know, a lot of the discussion is around policy and accountability -- and rightfully so, because those things have to happen and they have to be done corr correctly, use of force policies and things like that. we spend a lot of effort in our police commission and a lot of our advocacy and activist groups that we have what i think is an outstanding use of force policy because there was community input. but i want to say, too, don, we have to connect all this and look at this through a lens of history, a history of how we got here, a history of race and bias and all these things, both explicit and implicit in our country. and i will submit, and i know we try to do that here in san francisco, when we make these policies, we have to look at them through those lenses, because we can't forget about our history. we're spending a lot of time and effort here in san francisco to bring history to the present so
it informs our thinking and our policy, and i started off this conversation with humanity. and the reason that i did is because we had a training session with our command staff, and we brought in lisa mcnair whose sister denise was killed in a 16th street baptist church bombing to have her talk about hate, forgiveness, reconciliation and really speak to us about how the criminal justice system failed her family for so many years until bill baxley and -- i can't remember the senator's name -- doug jones prosecuted those individuals who killed those four little girls. and those -- that history still lives with a lot of people who were impacted, you know.
the families my parents' age and a uncles and aunts who lived through that history, we can't deny that history. we also brought in laura king, rodney king's daughter. i have to tell you guys, to sit next to laura king -- we watched a video, l.a.' '92, but beforee did that, we had her talk about her dad as a dad. we had family pictures i had never seen before. so before we showed the videos about the 1991 incident, let's look at rodney king as a human being and now let's hear from her daughter who was impacted from this event for the rest of her life. it brought it to a different place for us and it was very powerful. >> i did a documentary on rodney king. i think i was one of the last people to do an interview with him, so i understand what you are saying about him and his family. i have to ask you, chief acevedo, what can be done? what should be done? what do you think? >> well, a lot more. i mean, for me it starts with
accountability. we can learn the history, we can teach the policy, we can have laws, but if we don't hold people to the laws and the policy and the tactics, you know, cops will feel like they don't have to follow it, so i think we have to hold people accountable. and lastly, i think we've got to go not just pass reform, but president biden needs to step up. he needs stto step up and do wh he promised to do which is to put together that commission. we have to have a commission in the 21st century with practitioners, with social scientists, with mental health professionals, with educators to reimagine policing, reimagine the criminal justice system, reimagine public health, mental health, education, economic opportunity. our society and the ills of society, our failings of policing are the most visible, but the underlying causes go well beyond policing until we
get that commission and reinvent our country and o omit the sinsf the past and the present, we'll never move to the future. >> biggest city in the country. can you offer us some advice on what we do in this moment, because, you know, the people are -- it's tough right now. very simply, it is tough for the community, it's tough for the country, and it's tough for policing. i'm not sure -- i've been saying we're at an inflection point when it comes to policing in this country, but what add slice do you have? what are you seeing? >> don, you know, chief acevedo and chief scott, they hit on some key points when you talk about the history w, when you tk about about accountability. remember, i'm chief of criminal
affairs here at the police department, and with me it's all about building relationships. even in the city with the most police offices, we need to take a deeper dive getting to know our communities, working closer with them, understanding what they need from us. how do we celebrate the values of each community? we have so many distinct and different communities in here, and all our police officers have to learn how to work closer with those communities to make sure we're at the level that will increase public safety. the more i go out to the community and talk to people, the more i realize we all want the same thing. we all want that increased public safety, and it's going to start with us building relationships, having those very difficult talks. earlier today i was out in the 114 precinct, and we had the people's police academy, a training where it was community centered, community based where members from the community sat down with the officers for three days -- three days -- really taking a deep dive on what's going on in the community and how we can learn from each other
and how we can build better relationships, again, to increase public safety. so we really have to get out there and work closely with the community to address a lot of the issues. >> chief madry, chief scott, chief acevedo, thank you. we need to continue these conversations. you guys are -- i think you really helped the viewer, and i'm just grateful that you're here having these conversations and we're grateful to have folks in law enforcement like you. thanks so much. >> thanks, don. >> thank you, don. good night. >> thank you. >> thank you, guys. this is "cnn tonight." it's just a little past the top of the hour. that's what we need to be doing right now is having these conversations. everything is not so cut and dry. there's nuance, there's a lot, a lot of things that we can do, and the one thing we need to do is to be open and try to unify and not divisive. we need to listen to each other.
we need to have the tough conversations. we need to stop categorizing things. either you're for it or against it. you're for the cops or against the cops. you're for the community or against the community. these conversations are not constructive and not helpful when you put them in that lens. it's not constructive at all when people go to their corners and they try to put everything, every police shooting in the same basket. it's not. and when you try to -- and when you don't understand the needs of the community , as the chief were just saying. so let's be constructive in our conversations and not divisive in our conversations and offer each other grace in our conversations and be open to learning, everyone, police officers, the communities, everyone because we're not going to fix it if we're talking past each other. so let's continue our conversation now. senior legal analyst laura coates and mayor melvin carter of st. paul, minnesota, thank
you both for joining tonight. so, mayor, you say the most disturbing experiences that you've had with law enforcement have been in minnesota. tell me about that. >> thanks for having me on. sure, just growing up in st. paul in minnesota and then going to college in florida, obviously driving georgia and alabama and new orleans and all over that kind of deep south, as a young person i was pulled over quite frequently. i drove a 1984 monte carlo with whitewall tires. it was amazing in ways only a 17-year-old boy can appreciate and got pulled over and over and over and over. my father, i was really intrigued about the conversations with the police officers who was taulking befor, because my father was one of the first african-american police officers, so the plates would run back to my father who at the time was in internal affairs, by the way, and of course, well, i'll tell you what, we're going to let you go this time.
but having those experiences over and over again foster, i think in me both having the experience of growing nup in a police house praying every night for the safety of our st. paul police officers, seeing those african-american police officers who came in the office of my father, and seeing those officers to come up with a reason to pull me over, pulled over for all those reasons we're discussing, those pretextual stops and those kinds of things, it's jarring the two worlds we live in. >> laura, you're also from florida. why do black men keep dying at the hands of police in the minneapolis area? maybe we're seeing it there. listen, we know it's not just minneapolis, but why do you think we're seeing it so much there? >> not only did i grow up there, i grew up with the mayor in st. paul, minnesota as well. i know him quite well. and the idea of this happening in a place like minnesota is
very disorienting for people, because people often have the presumption that the ideas of systemic racism and all the things that come along with it or below the mason-dixon line, and you realize, of course, it appears all across this country. what we're seeing right now in minimum, u minnesota, unfortunately, is not only confined there, it's just one of the visceral places. one of the reasons there was such a reaction to the killing of george floyd is how illustrious it was to the rest of this country. you can talk about mclain and arberry who were not killed by police officers but it resonates just the same. i'm not even addressing the younger people like trayvon martin and tamir rice, all these instances of people wondering about the humanity extended or denied to people of color in this country. what we're seeing that is so jarring is the frequency not by the idea it's never happened before, but the idea that there is a microscope on it now.
as i say, antiseptic light is the best antiseptic, and i hope it moves forward to where we no longer hear about it because it's not happening, not because the camera is turned away. >> in ohio people see another black life lost. listen, there are nuances, and it needs to be investigated. but because of what laura just said, that you see so many black lives lost at the hands of police officers, that's why people are so passionate around it regardless of what the circumstances of the shootings are. >> that's right, and we see on the opposite bookend, we see dangerous events that happen where there is a white 62-year-old man or a white woman or a white someone else who has something that dangerous and they survive the encounter. and the question isn't why
aren't they dead, they should have survived that encounter, it sh should have been deescalated. the question is when will we learn how to deescalate in other areas as well. >> i want to turn to people looking for answers where another black man was shot at the hands of police. police were trying to execute an arrest warrant on 40-year-old. here's how witness described the scene. >> i heard one shot. by the time they came down here, they were standing by his car. i couldn't tell you who shot him, i couldn't do that, but one of the officers or maybe a k
couple shot him because there are 14 shell indiccasings right. >> do you know how many deputies were here? >> you mean behind him? i want to say four or five. >> harris daniels, the attorney for andrew brown jr.'s family and keith is a resident of the pasquante county naacp. i appreciate you joining us tonight. harry, we just heard brown's neighbor say deputies were shooting at the car he was driving. what more can you tell us about exactly what happened yesterday, because we don't have that video, right, that would illustrate what happened. so tell me what happened. >> that's correct, don. that's one of the issues we're having here in elizabeth city. it's my understanding that the deputies were serving a warrant. mr. brown was not home at the time but he rolled up during the
execution of that warrant. some exchange too many place and he tried to flee. at that time my understanding, what's been said by the witnesses and other sources, that gunfire was started and they shot mr. brown, striking and killing him. >> his family says that he was unarmed and police are claiming -- are they claiming he had a gun? >> no, they're not claiming he had a gun. we actually had the opportunity to speak with the district attorney. there's been no confirmation he had a gun. anybody in his family would say he is not a person who would carry a gun. there was no gun found at the scene, so no. >> harry, the sheriff's department said that the deputies were trying to serve a warrant on andrew brown jr. take a listen. >> some people want to know why
our local s.w.a.t. team and deputies from another agency had a search warrant and an arrest warrant. this is an arrest warrant for felony drug charges. he was a convicted felon resisting arrest. our policy is to indicate in the first circumstances he is a high risk of danger. >> harry, did he have a history of violence or resisting arrest? >> no, don. so here's the thing. it's amazing how they are bringing out his past and trying to discuss his past and trying to justify actions that they took. but what should be noted is that the lack of transparency that they are having and the execution of mr. brown. we're not talking executing a warrant but an execution with what the witnesses are stating and what is being stated by other sources around the state. they want to talk about his history and his felony past. we have not learned any history or felony past, but we do
know -- what we do know, what was learned and has yet to be confirmed by local authorities, that he was, in fact, shot and killed, unarmed based on the witness accounts at this time. >> councilman horden, does this sound like a situation where the s.w.a.t. team is necessary? >> well, to be honest with you, at this point the problem that we're having is that they have not really released enough information for us to even accurately answer that question. to come forth now and begin to talk about this individual's past without bringing the information of this current incident is a traumatic problem, in my opinion. and my stance is that we need accountability, because we need accountability caused the liability, and that's what we're looking for at this time is accountability with no -- >> keith, i want to ask -- i'm
sorry, i thought you were done. we have a delay. >> we don't need to talk about this individual's past, we need to talk about this incident. this is the reason why we're here, why we're coming together, why people are protesting not his past but the current reality, the current situation. >> don, you see it over and over again. that's what happens when an unarmed black man is killed in america. the first thing authorities want to talk about, he had a criminal record. that doesn't justify killing someone who is unarmed when they're trying to flee. that's the narrative that you hear over and over again to try to preface their -- try to justify acts. what needs to come out is the video of objective evidence that would show it was either justified or unjustified. the only thing we can take is what eyewitnesses are saying and that's all we have to go on until we see otherwise. >> keith, you've been patient and i want to put up the video because you've been out marching in protesters. there you are earlier in
elizabeth city, north carolina marching with protesters. what are you hearing? >> we're going from just outrage and frustration, frustration, don, just being a major part of the protests in the community. you know, as we continue to talk about transparency, they seem to be very transparent about trying to paint a picture of the character of mr. brown. instead, you know, the sheriff's department could be very transparent with the community by coming out and addressing the community. you know, the sheriff is not just an officer of the law, but he is also an elected official, and he has an obligation to the community that elected him to his position. so why not come out and be transparent and have dialogue with the community? if you notice throughout the protests, they continue to ask
where is sheriff wooten? where is sheriff wooten? this helps to calm -- and i'm so proud, don, i just want to say i am so proud of my community for over the last two days, the protests have been peaceful. the city police department, under the leadership of chief buffalo, they have been outstanding and ensuring the safety of the citizens. the community has been peaceful in their protests. they have been peaceful. and that's what this is about. so we continue to ask, where is sheriff wooten? when are you going to exercise and come out? when are you going to talk to us so we can move forward with transparency, so we can continue to build trust, so that we can hold people accountable when that time comes so that we can have justice. >> gentlemen, thank you. i appreciate it.
we'll continue to follow this story. please come back. i appreciate the conversation. thanks so much. >> thank you, don. >> thank you. as america's reckoning with race and policing, the assault on voting rights is continuing all across the country. stacey abrams schooled one republican senator on that. she is here to talk about it. she's next. omething in me, like a fire, that's just growing. i feel kinder, when nature is so kind to me. find more ways to grow at miracle-gro.com. bottom line is, mom's love that land o' frost premium sliced meats have no by-products. (his voice) “baloney!” (automated voice) has joined the call. (voice from phone) hey, baloney here. i thought this was a no by-products call? land o' frost premium. fresh look. same great taste. ooh, look daveed, my delivery is here. got your birdseed bread, your birdseed butter ...aaaand... an 87-pound bag of birdseed. enjoy. whoa. and that's just lunch.
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trump's big lie about fraud in the 2020 election has spawned hundreds of bills across the country that would limit access to voting, especially in black and brown communities. during a senate hearing on voting rights this week, republican senator john kennedy pressing stacey abrams on her opposition to george's controversial new election law, well, he got more than he bargained for. >> you're against the georgia bill, i gather, is that right? >> i'm against certain provisions of it, yes. >> i think you've called it a racist bill.
am i right? >> i think there are provisions of it that are racist, yes. >> tell me specifically, just give me a list of the provisions that you object to. >> i object to the provisions that remove access to the right to vote, that shorten the federal runoff period from nine weeks to four weeks, that restrict the time a voter can request or return an absentee ballot application -- >> slow down for me because our audio is not real good here. >> certainly. >> could you start over for me? >> certainly. it shortens the federal runoff period from nine weeks to four weeks. >> okay. >> it restricts the time a voter can request and return an absentee ballot. >> right. >> it restricts the voter having some form of identification that they're willing to surrender in order to participate in the absentee ballot process. >> what else? >> it eliminates over 300 hours of drop box availability.
>> what else? >> it bans nearly all out-of-precinct votes. >> bans what? i'm sorry. >> it bans nearly all out-of-precinct votes. meaning you get to a precinct and you're in line for four hours, and you get to the end of the line and you're not there between 5:00 and 7:00 p.m., and you have to start all over again. >> is that all? >> no, it's not. it restricts the hours of operation because it is now under the guise of setting a timeline that's optional for counties that may not want to see expanded access to the right to vote. they can now limit those hours. instead of those hours being from 7:00 to 7:00, they're now 9:00 to 5:00 which may affect voters who cannot vote during business hours. it limits -- >> i get the idea.
>> stacey abrams is here and the founder of fair fight option. you have called the new wave of restricting voter bills jim crow in a suit and tie. what did you think his line of questioning was about? what did you think of it? >> i try to approach every question as an attempt to gain new and good information. but i think his intent likely was to demonstrate that we had no cause and that our language was hyperbolic. but what i hope i demonstrated is we indeed are talking about severe restrictions on access to the right to vote that are directly targeted at the behaviors that led people of color to having an outsized impact on elections in georgia and around the country, and that any attempt to limit those behaviors because of how they were used and because of who used them is, indeed, a redux of jim crow, because that's how jim crow worked when it came to voting rights. >> i should say, as we say, he
wasn't ready and he got an earful there. this week there is a report from nevada's republican secretary saying it found no evidence to support the gop's claim of widespread election fraud there. it's another blow to that big lie, the big trump lie. but are the claims about fraud just a fig leaf to justify voting restrictions? >> absolutely. and let's be clear. this is about republican cowardice. they could either put forward an idealogy and a set of plans that would benefit more voters and thereby encourage more voters to support their candidates, or they can restrict access to the right to vote, targeting those who are least likely to support them x in this case that means communities of color, and that is what jim crow attempted to do, that is what cowards do and this is a lazy way to win elections. >> let's talk about some other things going on. daunte wright's funeral was just two days after derek chauvin was found guilty of murdering george
floyd. what has it been like for you seeing these incidents of police violence still happening almost every day around the country? >> as an absolute, it is a tragedy and it is an affront to who we intend to be as a nation. it is a moment of accountability that we see in the derek chauvin trial that gets eradicated hours later. sadly, what i think we have to contend with, and this goes back to the underlying reason that i fight so hard for voting rights, that if we want more justice, if we want more accountability, if we want change, then we have to have a voice in determining who gets to decide who is in charge. that's what voting is. voting isn't just about casting a ballot, it is about creating the change you want to see by electing leaders and representatives who speak aloud your dreams, and if we can't have a voice, then our dreams are often shattered, and
unfortunately our looives are i danger. >> i asked you about voting rights. do you think police reform and voting rights, do you think they're a struggle? >> i think they are. we want people to see these connected dots. we're asking people to tell their voting stories at myvotingstory.com, because one of our opportunities is to link up what happens when we live our everyday lives, when you are confronted by police brutality or simply by the negligence of a system that does not see you as valuable. when we have to have conversations about who is murdered in the streets as a 16-year-old, regardless of what makhia bryant may have been doing, there is no justification for taking her life without performing some sort of intervention, and we are watching this happen again and again. i think it was npr that pointed
out that from the moment of the chauvin trial starting until the day of the verdict, someone died in police custody every single day. that is a tragedy that should not happen in a democratized society, but we can only change that if we change how voting happens and who gets to participate in our elections. >> there is a pro-enforcement law meant to crack down on riots and laws that can protect drivers who run over protesters. are these an assault on another key right under the first amendment to protest? >> it not only is an assault, it is a statement. we are being told by the gop in its current form that they do not intend to hear from us, they do not intend to protect us, and they do not intend to allow us to protest their failure to serve us. and by treating americans in this way, by saying that our
value as citizens is diminished simply because of what we want and who we are, they are telling us what we need to know about their intentions as leaders. and my hope is that we don't allow their partisanship to diminish our citizenship. >> stacey abrams, always a pleasure. thank you. >> thank you so much. a small town in texas grappling with racism after students at a school in aleto started a slave action of classmates in a snapchat group. now other residents are coming forward with more shocking experiences.
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so-called slave auction of some of their black classmates on snapchat. you heard it correctly. a slave auction. ed lavandera has the story. >> i'm one of the young men who was targeted in the slave trade snapchat group. >> reporter: chris johnson is a ninth grader in the town of aledo, texas west of ft. worth. he and other black students were targets of a racial media post talking at this moment to the town's school board. >> it was not a game. i've lived here my whole life and know most of the kids and parents here. >> reporter: students at a school started a slave auction on a snapchat group. under the racist titles for the group chat, one bid $100 on one student and another offered $1 on chris. would be better if his hair wasn't so bad. at first the aledo school chat
labeled it as cyber bullying which angered many residents who wondered why it wasn't immediately called out as racist. >> we have to get comfortable with having uncomfortable conversations. >> the school district called it racism and said the students were disciplined, but for privacy reasons won't detail the punishment. >> when will you make the changes to ensure that all of us feel fairly treated and safe. >> it is dehumanization. >> reporter: eddie burnett is the president of the local naacp chapter and says this moment needs to be a wake-up call for this small town. >> i'm not saying they're teaching racism here, but there is obviously an environment where that flourishes. >> reporter: a few weeks after the snapchat action, this flyer offering slaves at a couple aledo campuses.
they are reviewing footage to see who distributed the flyers. >> that's disgusting. that's absolutely disgusting. >> reporter: there are about 7,000 students in the aledo school district, and that student population is about 78% white. some residents have told us there is a history here of avoiding difficult conversations about racial issues, and that's why they're worried these moments will be swept under the rug. >> we've heard from a number of people who told us cnn coming in to aledo telling this story that we're just causing more problems than we're solving here. what's your reaction here? >> no, you're revealing more problems and that's a problem for the people who told you that. i think, again, that the one chance we have to correct this situation is to shine some light on it. >> it's time to fix stupid and not let this happen anymore. >> reporter: this is also prompting other residents to share their experiences. >> what started off as a friendly game of cops and robbers quickly turned south
when several kids tackled my eight-year-old to the ground. as he lay with his face pressed into the cement, he pleaded with them to get off of him. he told them he couldn't breathe. he laid there hopeless, hoping somebody would step in. as he struggled to break free, one of the children said, hey, put your knee on his neck. >> reporter: these moments reveal how a racial divide can exist beneath the surface of a small town like countless others in america. >> if you think this has affected you and your job, just imagine how we actually feel. >> reporter: chris johnson is a young man urging his hometown not to look away no matter how painful this moment might feel.
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and the shield, the revolutionary lives the malcolm x and martin luther king jr." clearly this country is still grappling with slavery. do teachers need to take a more active role in teaching anti-racism? >> absolutely. anti-racism but also the history of racial slavery. i'm heartbroken over two aspects of this story, one, the denial of the school initially that this was racism and this kind of hurt considered, but two, the fact that petagogically we're just not teaching history to all of our children, don, irrespective of race. the national controversy we've had over 1619 project versus 1776 commission, all of this is connected to racial slavery. weaver we've got to teach that history to our children, and for black
children, they've got to understand it is not a history they should be ashamed of, it is a history where our work and labor actually built up the united states of america, and in the process we saved democracy. the only reason we aren't driving democracy in america is because of black people and black people's role in challenging and transforming this nation every step of the way. >> right on, penille, right on. why is it so difficult for people to call it what it is, racism? >> i think that's a legacy of the system of racial slavery and the caste system and the jim crow system where we deny, deny, deny. we deny sexism in this country, we deny poverty, we deny homophobia and trans phobia, and we also deny racism, but especially anti-black racism. anti-black racism is the principle of the racial caste system. unless we can all just tell the
truth. we always say we want truth, justice and reconciliation. we can't get the reconciliation without the justice and we can't get the justice unless we get to truth. so we're so used to denying what occurred, we can never actually get to the bottom of these problems of the again, i stress, these kid, these black kids, i'd love black women, like sojourner truth and harriet tubman. black men, like frederick douglas and robert smalls, actually saved american democracy. we would not be here, tonight, without the black people who, not just survived during racial slavery, but thrived, at times, transformed all these institutions that are still imperfect but they have given us a chance to have a future for the entire country. >> thank you. i always appreciate your perspective. we will have you back. thank you so much. we'll be right back. >> thank you, don.
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