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good evening, everybody. two big, breaking items in the race between the coronavirus and vaccines that have shown they can stop it cold. within the hour, the cdc and fda made it official. they are lifting their recommended pause on the use of johnson & johnson's single-dose shot. also, late today. hopeful, new numbers from the university of washington's health metric and evaluation, showing the effect vaccination is, already, having on death rates. now, that said, the new comes, as the daily number of people rolling up their sleeves appears to be dropping, somewhat. perhaps, in part, due to initial concerns over the j&j vaccine. concerns, that tonight, public-health officials are seeking to put into some kind of reasonable perspective. joining us as he has been from the beginning of all this, cnn chief medical correspondent, dr. sanjay gupta.
so, sanjay, what have public health officials decided specifically about the j&j vaccine and why? >> well, they are basically going to -- first of all, they made a decision because, you know, no more kicking the can down the road. and the decision is to lift the pause. this pause, that's been in place, now, for some time. and they are going to put out warnings. they are basically going to say that there is a risk of -- of blood clotting and a condition, where your platelets actually can go low. so people should be aware of that. and also, clinicians. people who may take care of these patients now know, that this is a rare, very rare, but possible, occurrence here and it needs to be treated a certain way. anderson, i am going to put up this graphic here. just, you know, when you think about risk, versus benefit. that's what, really, the emergency-use authorization is all act. a about. and that's what they looked at here. if you look on the left, for every 1 million doses given, we saw roughly-13 cases of this condition of clotting. but at the same time, prevented 12 deaths for every 1-million
doses. prevented 127-icu admissions. that's the risk-benefit, sort of, ratio. for women over the age of 50, it's even -- it's even greater. the benefits, versus the risks. that's, ultimately, what -- what this decision was about, anderson. >> so, was it a mistake, then -- then, to pause it? >> i don't think so. i think there was -- there was two reasons. first of all, we knew of six women, initially. but sometimes, these things are hard to figure out. you may have other people who develop this problem but didn't relate it to the vaccine. when they do a pause like this, i it sends a signal is there anyone else out there? there were a few more women that came forward who may have this associated problem but not a lot. no matter how you look at the numbers, it's very rare. but there was something else. this is such a rare condition, clinicians, oftentimes, will treat this clot with a medication that can make things worse. a medication known as heparin. so, they needed to send a signal, as well, that hey, if
you do see this, this is how it should be treated. >> and clearly, they are going to try to work to get that message out, that it is very rare. how soon do you think they will be able to start or people will start making appointments again for the j&j vaccine? >> well, i think they can. they will be able to make appointments again, this weekend. maybe even tomorrow morning, in some places. there is 9 million of these doses that have been actually, already, distributed to states so this could happen very quickly. we saw the advisory committee. we saw rochelle walensky from the cdc sign off on this so this could happen quickly. in terms of where people make appointments if that is the other part of your question. i think, you know, whenever things like this happen, there is two sort of schools of thought. one is, wow, they found something that occurs just a few in a million times. that's how granular their safety-signal detection is. but -- but it may fuel some hesitancy, as well. so we will see how much -- how much it picks up. >> sanjay, stay with us because i want to bring in dr. chris murray from ihme. dr. murray, so your new model
projects the death rate will continue to climb between now and august 1st. in addition to the vaccine, what is contributing to that decline or expected decline? and what does it say about potential-fourth wave? >> the key drivers are what you said, anderson. vaccination going up. but also, we're past the peak of seasonality for the coronavirus. that peaked in about february. and with every-passing week, as we get into the summer, we would expect transmission potential to be going down. so, those two forces, working together, we believe, despite the new variants, will bring down deaths, at least until august 1st in the united states. >> and, dr. murray, in the worst-case scenario, what could cause the numbers to rise, again? >> well, i mean, worst-case scenario, we modeled that people stop wearing their mask faster. and that people go back to baseline mobility, faster. and what i mean by baseline is what we did before covid came round, you know, last march. and if that happens, the
daily-death rate can stay up above 750, a day, right through to august 1st. so, despite all the good news about vaccination going up. we are, still, in that critical period, where how we behave will influence the trajectory, you know, over the next four months. >> sanjay, cdc data shows that the seven-day average of vaccine doses that are administered has dropped below 3 million shots per day for the first time since april 6th. now that this j&j pause has been lifted, do you expect to see the average climb, again? >> i don't know. i actually don't know. it's -- it's -- it's a good question. i can tell you, before the pause, the j&j doses were about one out of every 17 doses administered. so, it wasn't a huge amount of this vaccine. and we know that moderna and pfizer. there is plenty of that vaccine around. as far as, you know, why the numbers have dipped a little bit. i think there's two things that seem to be, from our reporting.
one is that there are still some areas of the country that are hard to reach. even though it's widely available and obviously everyone is eligible now. there's some areas that are still harder to reach. and other areas, you know, you still have -- you may have some vaccine fade. you know, where people just aren't as earnest to get the vaccine. so we will see. i don't know how much an impact j&j will have on that. i think that's more of a bigger-picture issue. >> and, dr. murray, given what you know about projections for infections and deaths, how concerned are you about vaccine hesitancy? and also, supply outstripping demand? >> well, we actually think that supply will outstrip demand, pretty soon. in -- in probably the middle of may. you know, facebook runs a survey, every day, and we look at that data, on a daily basis. and that's shown that vaccine confidence in the u.s. has been, slowly but steadily, going down since february. you know, not huge amounts. like, a percentage point, a
week. but we were at 75% of dpadults saying they wanted the vaccine. now, we're down to, in those surveys, down to about 67%. so that means there is a lot of people out there, and it's a growing fraction of people who are not sure they want to get the vaccine and that's really important that we sort of overcome that. >> dr. murray, i don't want to put you on the spot but you know, i guess i will. we have had you on this program, an awful lot over the past year. are you optimistic about where things -- where you think we're headed? >> you know, anderson, i'm optimistic, in the short run for the u.s. but the explosion of the epidemic, in india, to, you know, levels that we haven't seen it throughout the epidemic. is really worrisome because that's a new variant that we think is driving that. it's -- it's one of these escape variants that break through natural immunity and maybe even vaccine-derived immunity. and it just etells us we are al at risk for new variants as long
as there is tons and tons of transmission of the virus around the world. so, yeah, when we look at the u.s., things look like the next four months will go our way. but in the bigger picture, i think, you know, we have a lot to worry about covid throughout the course of the rest of the year. >> sanjay, what's to stop the indian variant, the brazil variant which is causing havoc there, from spreading in the u.s.? >> well, i mean, we -- we -- we have seen this. obviously, you know, we saw b.1.1.7, the uk variant come. and there was just a few cases and now it's the dominant strain. so, that could happen. i mean, i think if you can bring viral transmission really low, as dr. murray is talking about. maybe, you know, you -- you -- you greatly lower the risk that any virus is spreading, whether it be variant or something else. but that's the challenge and i think it's also one of these things where we keep saying wear masks. you know, even if you have been vaccinated. and people often scratch their heads. why do i got to do that? well, this is the exact reason. you could still, potentially, carry the virus and spread it. even if you have been
vaccinated. it's a lot lower likelihood but it can still happen if you are talking about very transmissible things. the risk -- the risk goes up. >> yeah, sanjay, chris murray, thanks so much. appreciate it. again, we will get deeper into vaccine hesitancy later in the program. right now, there is breaking news in the deadly-police shooting of a black man named andrew brown jr., in eastern north carolina earlier this week. north carolina's governor roy cooper is calling for body-cam video to be made public. tweeting and i am quoting the governor. initial reports of the shooting in elizabeth city and death of andrew brown jr. this week are tragic and extremely concerning. the body camera footage should be made public as quickly as possible and the sbi should investigate thoroughly to ensure accountability. the state bureau of investigations is the sbi. in addition to that, new ems dispatch audio has just been obtained indicating brown was shot in the back. which is a puzzling detail, in a series of them. they say oehe had a history of
resisting arrest but cnn hasn't been able to verify any-such prior charges against him. what's more, those who knew him including family members and his girlfriend say he neither, nor owned, or carried a gun. more on that in a moment. we don't know if there was a gun present. first, here is the ems audio. >> advise ems has got one male, 42 years of age, gunshot to the back. >> 42-year-old male with gunshot wounds to the back. >> so, that's the ems call. because authorities have yet to release body cam videos from the deputies involved, tensions continue to be high in the community. cnn's brian todd joins us now from elizabeth city, north carolina. we saw demonstrations last night, brian, you were out there in the street. what is the latest that you are learning, first, about the shooting? >> well, anderson, the frustration level here on the street, in the community, overall, and among members of the brown family continues to grow. because authorities as you point out there, seem resolute in not wanting to release this body-camera footage right away. and that is the source of a lot
of frustration here in the street and elsewhere. now, we did catch up to the sheriff not long ago today. sheriff tommy wooten and we asked him just, you know, what is the holdup here? everyone is impatient for this. he did say it's the d.a.'s call. and here is what else he had to say about that. >> do not want it to hinder the investigation. and, you know, in situations like this, the magnitude of -- of this situation. it's very delicate. you want every piece of that video. every piece of evidence to be perfect. so, when the outcome comes, when it comes out, it's done right. >> reporter: some other new details we learned from the sheriff a short time ago. he said there are actually multiple body cameras operational during this operation to try to arrest and search andrew brown. so, there could be several angles of videotape that we
might eventually get a look at. he has also said that seven sheriff deputies are on administrative leave. we pressed him on the question did all those seven fire their weapons? he said no, not all seven fired their weapons but seven of them on administrative leave in relation to this incident. and three others have quit the sheriff's department, as a result of this incident. so, they're down ten deputies, tonight, anderson. you know, and again, he says he understands the frustration of the community. he is determined that this investigation has to be done, in his words, just the right way. but again, you know, everybody here, from the city council to members of this community to the members of the brown family is calling and, in some cases, legally petitioning for this video to be released. and as you mentioned, the governor just tweeted that it should be released. so, the pressure is really mounting on the sheriff and the district attorney to release this body-cam footage. >> brian todd, appreciate it. thanks, brian. our legal and law enforcement professionals weigh in next on what wie know and wht more they would like to know
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we are talking tonight about the breaking news and everything else surrounding the deadly shooting of andrew brown jr. in eastern north carolina during an attempt to serve an arrest warrant on him in connection with felony-drug charges. local authorities say he had a history of resisting arrest. something, cnn has been unable to verify, at this point. in fact, not really many answers at all tonight. only questions surrounding his death and demonstrations in the streets there. here to help sort through it all. cnn legal analyst, elie honig, and monica alexander, retired captain in the washington state patrol and kcurrently interim executive director of the criminal justice training commission. elie, you heard the sheriff saying -- telling cnn that there were concerns releasing the
body-camera footage could hinder the investigation. from a legal standpoint, does that make sense to you? >> it does not make sense, anderson. look. police and prosecutors need to understand the world is changing very quickly, now. and the old way of doing things just won't cut it, anymore. i will tell you candidly. as recently as a few years ago, when i was still a prosecutor, the general attitude of law enforcement, towards the public in these kind of cases was, we will give you whatever we want, whenever we want. and you will say thanks. and i think, one of the lessons, and legacies, of the derek chauvin trial and verdict that we just saw is that the public, now, expects and deserves transparency. and truth. and quickly. and this idea from the sheriff that, well, it's not my call. okay. get on the phone to the d.a. you are the sheriff. i guarantee you, he will take your call. and if you have to go to a judge to get an emergency order, there is always a judge on emergency duty. i assure you. there is a north carolina judge who is on duty, right now, who would be willing to take this and consider it. >> monica, what do you make of their decision, so far, not to release it? >> well, i think that what happens is, investigations start
off in one place and end up in another. and i think the way they look at it, they are trying to preserve evidence. but, i agree, that, you know, the community has a right to know what is going on. community is asking for answers. and the longer it waits, the more -- the hotter the pot gets. and i am really concerned about what's happening all over, with the relationship between the community and the police. and i think, trying to give transparency, accountability, and communication, and building relationships with our community through trust is what's going to help us to get to where we really, all, want to be. >> yeah. elie, i mean, we learned through the dispatch audio, that andrew brown jr. was apparently shot in the back. that was the initial dispatch that wept out. there are now seven deputies who have been placed on administrative leave. two who have resigned, one who's retired. without authorities providing more information, you know, we heard from a community member last night who was out on the streets, i know, protesting talking to our brian todd. just saying they -- they just want answers of what, actually, occurred.
because, in the -- without answers, you know, assumptions are made, based on history and mistrust. >> this is a perfect illustration of the problem of withholding and of not being transparent. with this one piece of information that we have, reportedly that there was a shot to the back. obviously, there is a lot of other factors. a lot of other facts that need to come out. but i wish police officers across the country would accept and understand this one, basic principle. you cannot use deadly force. you cannot take out your gun and shoot, solely because somebody is fleeing. there may be other circumstances. that may justify it. but you cannot shoot someone, only, because they are fleeing. k chase. you can call ahead. maybe, some instances, you can use a taser. it's dependent on the circumstances. but that one rule would do us a lot of good, if it was observed. >> yeah, again, i should point out, we don't know the circumstances of -- of what occurred there. monica, there was a video statement in the wake of the shooting. where the chief of -- the chief deputy said that mr. brown had a
history of resisting arrest. cnn couldn't immediately verify that. but if authorities are going to put that out there, seemingly implying intentionality or not, that his legal history is germane to why he was killed does raise the question why not, also, show the public the video? >> and -- and i -- i think that that is a fair question. i think only that agency can answer that question because every agency has their own policies and their own collective-bargaining agreements they adhere to. and i think it's important that the community's doing what they should do. ask the sheriff. ask the person in charge of that particular situation. and -- and should, you know, get answers. and we're looking -- i think that, in the state of washington. you know, we are looking at placing some laws. we're almost at the end of our legislative session. and there is a lot of things that are going on, for -- as a matter of fact. our commission is run by 16 commissioners. so i have 16 supervisors that i answer to. and so, everything that we do here is, at one central location
at the academy. as far as our training goes, and our commissioners are the boss and four of those commissioners, currently, are citizens. i think, citizens want a door to have a voice. and i am really proud of what washington is doing right now by giving our citizens a voice. not quite big enough, yet. because they are still asking us to do more and we're -- we're listening. >> elie, lastly, regarding the derek chauvin trial, the judge in the case has ordered the names of jurors to be withheld for at least six months. how unusual is that? >> it is very unusual. i will tell you, anderson. prosecutors like that because it does happen, sometimes, that jurors say things in the media after a verdict that give the defendant a basis for appeal. if they say something about the way deliberations occurred that, maybe, was appealable. so, i guarantee you, the prosecutors are breathing a sigh of relief. on the other hand, the judge has to balance the need for transparency. the public interest in this case was like nothing we have ever seen. so it's a tough-balancing act for the judge there. >> elie honig, monica alexander,
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involving the congressman and several young women. our evan perez joins us now with exclusive details. so, what else are federal authorities looking at in regard toss it? >> well, anderson, you know the federal-sex-trafficking investigation that's been going on, we have been talking about it for a couple weeks. but there is a whole lot more to it. we are told that part of what prosecutors are looking into is whether gaetz took gifts, including travel and paid escorts in exchange for political favors. sources told us that the justice department is scrutinizing this 2018 trip to the bahamas that involved gaetz and several young women. specifically, looking into whether this getaway was part of an orchestrated effort to illegally influence the congressman on the medical-marijuana industry. now, cnn has previously reported that gaetz is under investigation for having a relationship with a young girl who was 17, at the time. gaetz attended parties in orlando with other prominent republicans in that area, that
were involved. that involved women, money, sex for money, and drugs. cnn has learned that investigators already have one-key witness who is cooperating. that's joel greenberg. he is the former seminole county tax commissioner down there, in florida, and he is a close friend of gaetz. who, also, was attending some of these parties. he was indicted last year on multiple-federal charges that includes sex trafficking and he is expected to plead guilty in the coming months, anderson. >> you report that a number of his close associates have ties to -- to this industry. >> well, that's right. so gaetz has a long history of advocating for medical marijuana, and has introduced legislation, both, at the state and federal levels. he's been looking to loosen the laws, regulating the industry. now, according to the reports, dr. jason, who is a florida doctor who founded a medical-marijuana advocacy group went with gaetz on this 2018 trip to the bahamas.
gaetz has referred to the doctor as one of his best friends. the pair have repeatedly intersected over the -- over this medical-marijuana issue. as far back as 2014. gaetz, at the time, was a state representative in florida, and he introduced a medical-marijuana legislation two weeks after vacationing in the florida keys. now, one week after that legislation was passed, he launched a medical marijuana consulting company and in 2018 when gaetz introduced the medical cannabis research legislation, a source tells cnn that the congressman hand delivered a fully-written draft of the bill to his staff which overlapped significantly with the agenda of dr. pirozola's group. now, neither have been accused of -- by the justice department of any wrongdoing. they have not been charged with a crime. pirozolo's lawyer declined to comment for this story and we did get a comment from -- from
matt gaetz's spokesman. and he says that matt gaetz is a longtime-policy expert on medical marijuana, and that he passed legislation as far back as 2013. as for the sex allegations, anderson, the congressman has repeatedly said that he's never paid for sex. >> evan perez, appreciate it. thanks. perspective now from "the washington post", whose reporting really put this story on the map. matt, what do you make of this new reporting about investigators looking at a pay-to-play scheme in connection with the trip congressman gaetz allegedly took to the bahamas? >> i think it's interesting. i still think the primary focus for investigators here would be on the trafficking of an underaged person, of a minor. i think that's sort of a good target for them. public-corruption cases are tough. you know, it's tough to substantiate federal-public corruption charges. you need a very explicit link, between something a person is giving an elected official.
and then, the thing the elected official is doing for them. it sounds, from your guys's reporting, like investigators are interested in that question here, with respect to this 2018 trip to the bahamas. was that sort of a bribe? that could be a tough case. in recent years, the justice department's public-integrity section has struggled with these. you have the former governor of virginia, bob mcdonald, they charged in a corruption case. similar circumstances kind of pay to play. more recently, you had senator menendez in new jersey charged in a corruption case that also collapsed and the justice department sort of abandoned that. interestingly, that involved private planes, too. so we will see sort of what happens here. but those cases are far-more difficult than, you know, sex trafficking. >> you mention the federal authorities are investigating whether gaetz had a sexual relationship with a 17-year-old girl, which gaetz denies. do you know where that part of the investigation stands? >> well, he -- mr. gaetz has not been charged, yet.
i think the next shoe to drop is this person that the feds are trying to get on side as a cooperator. a guy named joel greenberg, this local-tax collector in florida. who is thought to have, also, had a relationship or -- or had sex with this woman. he's already charged with that conduct. he is in plea talks with prosecutors now. and they sort of have a may-15th deadline to either reach a deal with him or go to trial. so the investigation to gaetz on that charge is very much ongoing. and the next thing to happen is will joel greenberg come on side and what information can he possibly provide to help investigators advance that case? >> yeah, and that's not clear exactly what information -- i mean, obviously, i assume, text messages that they would have had are, already, in the possession of authorities, no? >> yeah. so, that is how investigators sort of first got on to gaetz. seizing joel greenberg's records. and seeing, you know, seeing something in there that -- that
flagged them to gaetz. they certainly would already have those messages. but if you are thinking about building out a federal case, messages are one thing. receipts. you know, maybe venmo transactions or other cash app transactions. they sometimes need someone to explain them. to say, hey, money was going to person and that's possibly what mr. greenberg could provide. >> somebody has to have useful information to trade with them. and useful information, i assume, about somebody in a different position than they are. i mean, it -- it -- it's somebody sort of higher up? or perhaps, more prominent? -- is that how it works? >>. >> yeah. so mr. gaetz is definitely a higher-profile target and i think that's what mr. greenberg would see as his value. hey, i am giving you a u.s. congressman. i am just a local-tax collector. but to your point, he does have to have information that could meaningfully advance their case. and joel greenberg is facing a lot of -- a lot of charges, just
in his own rite, stealing from the tax collector's office, defrauding a coronavirus-relief program. he is charged with sex trafficking of a minor. this is a person, who the feds are not just going to wipe away all his charges so that he can give them a congressman. he is really going to have to provide a lot of valuable information, corroborated information, to make a deal with him worthwhile. >> yeah. matt, appreciate your reporting. thank you so much. >> thank you. just ahead. returning to breaking news. the johnson & johnson vaccine may now be used, again. researchers say it's incredibly important to get a vaccine to get us all closer to normal. meanwhile, republican senator ron johnson has chosen to promote baseless conspiracy theories about vaccinations. he's done it, again. we are keeping him honest. next. the lexus is. all in on the sports sedan. lease the 2021 is 300 for $369 a month for 36 months.
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confidence is -- meaning it's not the time for people like republican senator, ron johnson, to start fanning conspiracy flames about vaccine passports. while also telling people to not get vaccinated. that is what he did, though, in an interview thursday. >> from my standpoint, because it's not a fully-proved vaccine, i think we probably should have limited the distribution to the vulnerable. to people who aren't -- to the very young, i see no reason to be pushing vaccines on people. >> now, keeping him honest, pretty much everything he said is wrong and dangerous. vaccines save lives, and the vaccines approved in this country have all been shown, through testing, to do just that, safely. now, as someone who sits on the foreign-relations committee, senator johnson should know very well the plight india is going through now with the second wave that crippled the country. but johnson, who has, actually, had covid, wasn't done.
>> the science tells us vaccines are 95% effective. so if you have a vaccine, quite honestly, what do you care if your neighbor has one or not? >> well, one answer is herd immunity. the more people who are vaccinated, the less likely the virus can spread from one to another. the more people vaccinated, the fewer people end up in hospital and die. otherwise, just as a human being, you would think that you would care enough about another human being, that you would care if your neighbor has been vaccinated, or not, because you wouldn't want them to die or get sick. maybe, senator johnson hates his neighbors but i doubt that. and even still, i can't imagine he doesn't care if they live or die. the faster people are vaccinated, the faster society, as a whole, can get back to work and life. perhaps, we should not be shocked, though, by the senator's statements. after all, this is the man "the new york times" called the quote republican party's foremost amplifier of conspiracy theories
and disinformation. by the way, that was not on the editorial page. that was their news division. but what is really strange about all this is, remember this guy? >> and then, i see the disinfectant that knocks it out, in a minute. one minute. and is there a way we can do something like that? by injection inside or -- or almost a cleaning. >> remember listening to that all day? that was one year ago, today. the then-president of the united states, wondering if we can study ways, perhaps, to inject people with disinfectant. and he was turning to his medical team to actually, you know, get them to look into it. he later claims he was being sarcastic, which he wasn't. one year and more than 570,000 americans dead. that's how long ago it was and that's what's happened over the last year. still, even today, people like senator ron johnson continue to spread lies and disinformation.
some things, sadly, it seems, never change. but let's hope they do. one important reason for a republican like ron johnson may be to support vaccinations is that vaccine hesitancy is still prominent in this country. and more often, among republican voters. martin savidge, tonight, examines the efforts and failures to battle conspiracy theories and get people vaccinated in one-southern state. >> reporter: at covid-19 vaccination sites in mississippi, they are seeing something new. boredom. by friday, the state had more than 74,000 open slots in the scheduling website, through the middle of may. this is the drive-up lane of a mass-vaccination site in jackson. they say they can handle up to 1,200 appointments a day. so far, they have got about 275 scheduled. but they admit, some people just don't show. it's not that everyone 16 and older has got the shot. far from it. 40% of mississippians have had their first vaccine dose. the national average is closer
to 40%. it's pretty quiet. >> yes. i mean, today is quiet. but it hasn't been like that, all the time. >> reporter: so what's going on? experts worry the dropoff suggests a lot of people don't want the vaccine. and fear, what's happening here could jeopardize reaching herd immunity, which doctors say wouldn't be achieved until at least 70% of the population is vaccinated. besides mississippi, other states significantly lacking when it comes to percent of adult population fully vaccinated include alabama, georgia, and tennessee. states that are more rural, and more republican. a population, more skeptical of the vaccine. do you continue to fight misinformation? >> yes. >> even now? >> every day. yes. every day. >> reporter: public-service campaigns encouraging vaccination are overwhelmed by a flood of false information on social media. it's what caused haley coleman to delay getting her vaccine. >> it just felt like everywhere
that i looked, i was seeing somebody with a new-conspiracy theory. or just a reason not to get the vaccine. >> reporter: those false fears were only fueled when the johnson & johnson vaccine distribution was paused due to concerns over a rare type of blood clot. in mississippi, since that happened, health officials say projected-vaccination numbers have fallen off a cliff. that incident fed into the fears of those who were hesitant. >> yes, it did. >> it was i told you so. >> yes. yes, it was like, okay, see? >> martin joins us now. so, do you think any of the people you spoke with, what changed their minds about the vaccine now that j&j, the pause has been lifted? >> no. primarily, because there are two-broad groups when it comes to the hesitancy, here, in mississippi. african-americans, who have strong distrust, historically, of the medical system. and the reason for that, all you got to do is look at the horrors
of the tuskegee syphilis study. and then, conservatives who have, in general, a discrutrust government. so the fact that the government and medical experts have now decided that the johnson & johnson vaccine pause can be lifted is not likely to reassure either one of those groups. and i should point out, mississippi has a number of challenges when it comes to the vaccine. not the least of which, it's one of the poorest states, if not the poorest state. so there's a lot of people who don't have access to the internet and you need that for information or just to make an appointment. or they simply just can't take time off to get vaccinated. anderson. >> martin. i appreciate you being there. my dad is from mississippi. i love the state and i hope more people get vaccinated there. >> it's great. >> just ahead. a look ahead at what the white house has planned as it nears the end of its first-100 days of president biden's term in office and approaches his first address to a joint session of congress.
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bloomberg business week's new cover summed it up this way. move fast and fix things. president joe biden went big in his first-hundred days. now comes the hard part. joined now by kaitlan collins. so what is the latest you are >> i think often, anderson, with these first addresses to congress, there is a lot to put in there. especially, of course, when you have taken over governing during a pandemic and vaccinations have been their number one goal has been pretty clear to everybody, as they have ramped up. but i think what you are going to hear from president biden next week as he does make this first address to congress is a lot about what he wants to see happen, in the next-100 days, because that's going to come, that address, one day before he hits his 100-day mark. and so, i think you will see him not only lay out that american family plan. that's that next part of, really, what he envisions in addition to following that coronavirus funding bill. the infrastructure proposal he's now laid out. this is going to be a part that's really focused on child's care and healthcare, all of
that, kind of, aspects folded into there. of course, he will also talk about his infrastructure plan and coronavirus, of course, will be a major topic for the president. >> kaitlan, stay with us. i want to bring in david axelrod. former senior adviser to president obama cnn senior political commentator. david, how high are the stakes for president biden? i mean, does it matter much? >> no, i think it does matter much. you know, these things can -- can sort of fade in their importance, over time. but there are very few chances to speak to an audience of this size. and make no mistake about it. he may address congress, but he is talking to the country. he is going to tout the accomplishments that he's had. but the real purpose of this is to build public support for the phases that have yet to come, to pass this american jobs plan. and to tout this american family plan that he is going to unveil, perhaps at that speech. and build support to try and put pressure on congress to pass it. and so, i think, that will be a principal goal.
to tout what he's achieved, but to build momentum behind the pieces that have yet to come. >> kaitlan, the white house says it wants to see progress on climate change, infrastructure, gun safety, police reform. i mean, it's a long list. and not necessarily, traditionally, what some people think of as infrastructure. does the president's team think he can actually win over skeptical members of congress next week? or is this just about making the pitch to the public? >> i think it's much more about making the pitch to the public. that has -- is what you have seen them really focus on when they have seen this republican resistance to some of their ideas. i do think they are making a different effort, this time, with infrastructure and whatnot. to reach out to republicans and hear their ideas than you saw with the coronavirus relief bill, which, of course, they passed with only democratic support. so i think this is kind of a twofold thing. but i don't think they think they are going to magically win over a lot of these republicans who are not for what president biden considers infrastructure during this speech. i think it is going to be much more focused on selling it to people and explaining what his vision is for it, and why he thinks some of these things are
infrastructure. earlier on, i was talking about the american family plan, i said healthcare. i meant it is going to be really focused on education and childcare. and also, this next step in this economic recovery that he is pursuing. >> david, what do you make of this white house's kind of definition of infrastructure? >> yeah. well, it's obviously defined broadly. and some of it, i mean, he is going to talk about human infrastructure, relative to this next plan, the american family plan. there was some of that in his -- in his infrastructure plan. but some of it, you know, infrastructure has changed. you know, we wouldn't have been talking about broadband, some time ago, for example. one of the smart things i think they have done, anderson, is to pitch it as a competitiveness issue. to say we have to do these things, because we live in a competitive world. and we can't have a third-world infrastructure and be a great power, and compete with china, which is investing deeply. i think he is trying to tap into some of that.
but, you know, one of the things that's also impressed me is the duality here. he is pushing very hard to get things done quickly, even if it has to be on a partisan basis. but he is not using partisan language. he is not vilifying his opponents, as we saw during the last administration. and he is -- if -- he -- he may not get bipartisan support but he is going to get caught trying. and i think that tonal difference, especially after trump, has really benefitted biden in these first-hundred days. >> you know, and, david, to kaitlan's earlier point. do you think -- i mean, obviously, you know, president biden has been in the white house and the obama administration. do you think this white house had a grasp at how hard it would be to win over lawmakers, who are so clearly beholden to the former president? >> well, i do think that -- look. they did go through the obama years. i think they -- they -- they had a sophisticated idea, which is why they went, right away, to budget reconciliation, which only required democratic votes to pass what they wanted to pass but we should point out.
we talk about his repeal to republicans for support. he needs to get 50 democrats in the senate. he doesn't have that big a margin in the house. and so, i think, these proposals are going to change. they may be moderated because he needs a joe manchin, he needs a kyrsten sinema, from arizona, who are more moderate and have raised concerns about some of these issues and some of the spending. so i think you are going to see, you know, some of the effort here is -- is designed to try and create public support around them. >> yeah. >> to get them onboard. >> david axelrod, kaitlan collins. thanks so much. up next.
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