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new season, starts this sunday at 10:00 p.m. don't miss it. thanks for joining us today, see you back here at this time tomorrow. don't go anywhere, busy news day. ana cabrera picks up the coverage right now. have a great day. ♪ hello, and thanks for joining me, i'm ana cabrera in new york, the president is hitting the road right now to pitch his vision, ambitious plans including a hefty price tag to the american public, soon we could hear from the president who is in georgia this hour, a state that's been crucial, voting in two democratic senators, enough to give democrats a slight majority in the senate, opening biden's path to push through his agenda. now, while in the peach state president biden, we know, will meet with former president jijirm jimmy carter, at least the fourth time he's spoken with one of his presidential or vice
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presidential -- also in georgia, new charges in the killing of ahmaud arbery. the three men accused of killing the 25-year-old black man while he was out for a jog have been hit with federal hate crime charges. plus, one day after feds raised rudy giuliani's manhattan apartment and his house as well as his office former president trump and president biden have weighed in now, all that just ahead. but first to the white house and cnn's phil mattingly. phil, tell us about this historic meeting between the bidens and the carters and what the president hopes to accomplish in georgia today. >> reporter: certainly a different atmosphere when it comes to the last president to this president and the presidents club. the president has spoken with president george w. bush, he's talked fairly regularly, i'm told with former president barack obama and now going to visit president carter and his wife, the white house saying don't read too much into this, they are in the area and the couples have a close friendship over years. in fact, my colleague betsy klein noted that president biden
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was the first sitting senator to actually endorse jimmy carter's renegade campaign when he ran for president. they've been close for a long time. close allies when president carter was in office, and joe biden was the senator as well. they've maintained that relationship throughout the course of the last several decades. they will be checking in, saying hello. we'll see if we see them at any point during this visit. president carter did not come to the inauguration, due to concerns about his age and the coronavirus pandemic. he has been vaccinated up to this point so we'll see if anything comes out of that meeting. i think when you look broadly over all at what the president's doing today in georgia, obviously this is the first stop in what's expected to be about ten days of extensive travel, top administration officials and cabinet officials as well to sell what he laid out in that primetime address, his $1.8 trillion proposal, to really reshape education and the social safety net for families in this country. it is ambitious. there's no question about it but there's also a recognition inside the white house that they are going to need to sell this, and they're going to need to
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sell this to the public. if you look back to the coronavirus relief plan, up to this point, the president's cornerstone legislative achievement, part of the reason that that moved through, and moved through rather easily, with democrats in the house and the senate, is because the public support for it remained high throughout the course of the legislative process. this is going to be a heavier lift. white house officials acknowledge that. there will be months of negotiations. still trying to see if there are republicans that will come on board and at least one of the pieces of this, but they recognize when you're talking about tax policy, energy policy, health care policy, all of those in isolation are a thicket. they're going to need not just help on capitol hill, they're going to need help from the public to get this passed. today will mark the president's first opportunity to make that pitch, ana. >> you will bring us the latest when we hear, if we hear from president biden today. thank you, phil mattingly at the white house. for more on where the biden agenda goes from here, let's bring in former republican congressman charlie dent, as well as mia malika henderson.
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poind seems to be owning the fact that his plans are big, they're bold and very expensive. he's saying the size of investment is what is needed, just to compete, especially with china. does that help bring republicans on board while also deflecting claims that he's soft on china? >> i'm not so sure about that, ana. to a certain extent the president is misreading his mandate. there are a lot of people who voted for joe biden who simply wanted him to stabilize the government, normalize things, turn the temperature down, which he's done, address the covid crisis. i don't think they were anticipating he was going to go this big, you know $6 trillion in new spending. i think this is -- i think he's biting off quite a bit. and there's a great deal of risk associated with this. i don't believe that all these programs are as popular as we're being told right now. there is sticker shock here and i think the president has to deal with that. overall, though, i think he's been good on the covid issue and
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he has certainly -- he's not in our face 24/7 like his predecessor is. i think that's been to his advantage. >> and mia, to that point the congressman made, some are hesitant to get on board because of the price tag, does biden have any leverage or should democrats be concerned the price tag, $6 trillion all together, if you include the covid relief already passed, might concern not just lawmakers but voters who don't want to saddle future generations with mountains of debt. >> the leverage is what americans want and that whair experiencing. if you look at the data now, this plan, the infrastructure plan, 60% of americans think it's a good idea, including 20% of republicans and something like 65% of independents. so in that way, biden has, in many ways, already convinced the public that at least when you think about roads and bridges, that this is a good idea to put this money in there.
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i think the second part of it, the idea of human infrastructure, that is probably going to be a heavier lift. you're going to find people balking at the idea that infrastructure should include paying for community college, should include helping people pay for day care, which as many people know is incredibly expensive and a burden on many families. he is going to have to make a very complicated argument, and meet americans where they live. he was excellent, i think, at doing that with covid. people were experiencing terrible circumstances, economically, as well as health care as well, and so he was successful at that. this is going to be something different. he's got to not only argue that these items, sort of social safety net, is included in infrastructure, but also that the government should behave in a different way, right? the era of big government is now, essentially, kind of turning bill clinton's idea about the government on its head so that, of course, i think, is a heavy lift for him.
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and so we'll see if he's able to cobble together enough democrats, let alone republicans, he's going to likely have some problems in his own party, including joe manchin, but probably some other democrats as well. >> we've seen kyrsten sinema, another moderate democrat. >> right. >> who's expressed concerns in the past to some of his more progressive plans. as far as the economic cell, and his, you know, plan to pay for all of this, he's talking about raising taxes on the wealthy, saying it's about making sure there is a fair playing field and that they should be paying their own price, he took aim at the long standing gop economic philosophy, listen to this. >> my fellow americans, trickle down, trickle down economics has never worked, and it's time to grow the economy from the bottom and the middle out. >> congressman dent, he's basically calling out some 40 years of republican orthodoxy, what's your reaction?
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>> my reaction is you can make a strong case at supply side economics beginning in the 1980s during president reagan was pretty successful, we saw sustained, prolonged periods of strong growth in the '80s and in the '90s with a mild recession in '91 and '92. so you can make a case that we saw real growth in our economy. and i think that -- getting into this debate over supply side economics versus -- is probably not in the president's interest. i think that the president's wrong on that point that we've seen very good growth through supply side economics. >> we are seeing record levels of inequality right now. late last year there was a study out of the london school of economics which looked at 50 years of trickle down policies in a lot of countries, 18 countries, including some of the wealthiest, they found tax cuts for the wealthy did little to promote growth or jobs long
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term. does the gop need to adapt on this issue? >> yes, of course it does. i think the gop does have to find ways to build the middle class and i think one area where the republicans would be smart to work with the biden administration is on the child tax credit expansion. republicans have supported that in the past. and now joe biden has expanded it, and i think they might be smart to try to make that permanent. that would be something that would be very beneficial to middle class taxpayers, raising taxes on the wealthiest. they've taken it from 37% to 39.6%. that's a tax on small businesses with chapter "s" corporations, paying the individual rates and paying higher rates too. >> in the gop rebuttal last night, senator tim scott addressed the discourse about racism in america and this morning the president agreed with something he said, let's watch. >> people are making money, and gaining power, by pretending we
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haven't made any progress at all. by doubling down on the divisions we've worked so hard to heal. you know this stuff is wrong. hear me clearly. america is not a racist country. >> i don't think america is a racist country. but we also do have to speak truth about the history of racism in our country. and its existence today. i applaud the president for always having the ability and the courage, frankly, to speak the truth about it. >> nia, were you at all surprised by the way the vice president answered and also what we heard from the congressman? >> no, not -- >> the senator, excuse me. >> not surprising. it's essentially republican party orthodoxy to downplay racism and for kamala harris answering fairly deftly there, saying there are problems that exist, african-americans, people of color are treated differently. tim scott made that argument
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himself. he himself said that he's been stopped by police officers, and i don't believe he was stopped by those police officers because, you know, his name is tim scott, or that he has a bald head. he was making the argument that there is some racism at play in those police stops. so, you know, if you're kamala harris, i don't think you want to be in the position as vice president of the country to say that america is a racist country. but you do want to point out that, you know, these are systems in place where there is racial disparities and racial treatment in a disparate racial treatment based on people's skin color. so you have a president that i think one of the few presidents we've had that really has talked about systemic racism and also sees government in a role to play in easing the sort of disparities that result from systemic racism. that's part of what this big infrastructure plan is designed
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to address. >> nia-malika henderson and former congressman charlie dent, good to have both of you here, thank you. former president trump today slamming the fbi raid of his friend and personal lawyer rudy giuliani saying it's unfair to raid the home of a great patriot. as president biden says, he knew nothing about this. we'll discuss. plus, the justice department stepping in to bring hate crime charges against three white men, including a father and son, who chased and then shot and killed a black man who was jogging. in a georgia neighborhood. and a horrific explosion of the coronavirus in india, sparking warnings for americans to flee that country as crematoriums are struggling to keep up with the bodies. cnn is there.
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we're now hearing from former president trump after federal investigators raided the new york city home of his former personal attorney rudy giuliani. this all goes back years, to giuliani's activities in ukraine, and questions around whether he conducted illegal lobbying for ukrainian officials while he pursued an investigation linked to trump's then primary political rival president joe biden, trump telling fox business today quote it's like so unfair, rudy is a patriot who loves this country and i don't know what they're looking for or what they're doing, it's a very, very unfair situation. president biden saying today he was not aware of this raid beforehand. >> i give you my word, i was not. i made a pledge, i would not interfere in any way order or try to stop any investigation the justice department had under way. i learned about that last night when the rest of the world learned about it, my word. i had no idea this was under
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way. >> olivia nutesy joins us now, she's interviewed giuliani countless times. this investigation is more than two years in the making, how much trouble could giuliani be in? >> quite a lot. it's an extraordinary step for an attorney to have his home raided and no less than attorney who used to work or works for a former president of the united states. it's interesting, i was going back tow my transcripts with conversations with giuliani. and he really was bitter and really was offended and almost deeply hurt when he was talking about this investigation, when it was just in its early stages, or when we were just getting reporting about it, about two years ago. he seemed to really take it personally that these people who he considered to be kind of his guys, his people, law enforcement in new york, that they would turn on him. and it seemed to really be
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disturbing to him, and it contributed to this kind of insular, increasingly paranoid world view that he had. but it didn't seem to change his behavior much. if anything, he just got more outrageous, behaved more like a madman in public in service of donald trump as that investigation continued to go on. and in some ways it -- watching it from the outside it seemed like he was tempting investigators to continue to look into him and to investigate him further and to potentially, you know, take some kind of action against him. >> and so they did. they went in, they searched his properties, they took some of his electronic communications, we've learned, including a computer. and you have talked about how this is a man who was in constant communication via text on his ipad. what all could investigators have to be sifting through now? >> well, quite a lot. by my count he had at least three cell phones. he told me he was trying to get down to two cell phones.
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but he certainly had three. he also had an ipad that he could communicate from. and he was kind of in constant communication with seemingly anybody and everybody. that meant political operatives, people he was in business with, people who were helping him, quote, investigate hunter biden and also reporters and anybody else, any troll who happened to get his number, he would communicate with, and he was doing that over i-message, using signal and what's app, he would send emails from an i-cloud account, in the middle of the night sometimes from my experience. one of the funny things about giuliani being kind of just very free wheeling with how he would communicate digitally was always, to me anyway, that he was an inforcall cybersecurity adviser to the former president. this is a man who was 75 years old at the time, and would walk around holding these multiple cell phones and they would be
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banging into each other, he'd be activating siri by mistake, and sighing, told me she never understands me, talking about siri. i imagine they've got quite a lot to sift through, and, you know, the one thing i'll say, though, about his communications, at least in my experience, from what has been reported about accidental voice message -- voice recordings he's left for reporters, accidental voice mails, he does often seem to say in private what he's also said in public on fox news or on right wing radio. so maybe he at least has that going for him. >> of livia nuzzi, your insight are intriguing. >> are they? thank you. three white men in georgia are facing federal hate crime charges in the killing of ahmaud arbery. why the justice department is stepping in now. genuine idaho potatoes not just a side dish anymore. always look for the grown in idaho seal.
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i'm glad it's happening now. clearly, that was a shooting that never should have taken place, that man should be alive today, and a lot of people don't realize, brunswick, georgia is also the site of the federal law enforcement training center, and could very well have been a federal agent that went out for a jog that they wound up killing, i mean, it's just -- the whole case is something that the justice department needed to look into, and i'm glad they did. >> jennifer, what do prosecutors need to prove, what is the standard for hate crimes? >> well, it's a challenging standard, ana, that's one of the reasons you don't see that many federal hate crimes prosecutions, prosecutors have to prove that the reason for the crime was the victim's race, that, in fact, what they did to him was because he was black. if the person isn't literally screaming racial epithets at the victim as the person is being killed it's hard to do that. we will see evidence of social
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media postings, communications indicating that the defendants were racist, there's also reporting that one of the defendants was standing over arbery's body and used a racial slur. that's the evidence prosecutors will use and they'll encourage jurors to use common sense. if this man was white, saying do you think they would have done this to him? >> does it seem like the doj is getting more aggressive on prosecuting racially charged cases and how long does it usually take to litigate this? >> without question they're being more aggressive, to the commissioner's point, the trump administration prosecuted virtually no hate crimes but in administrations before that, they weren't prevalent either, usually federal officials will wait and see whether state officials will bring a case and if they can get a conviction first, and that hasn't happened here, the state case is also pending, it will take about the amount of time a case normally takes in the federal system but
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in this case they will wait until the state prosecution is finished, so they'll wait for that state trial, which should later this year, and then the feds will pick it up after that. >> commissioner, the families and attorneys of several victs victims are meeting with senators right now, including tim scott, a republican, cory booker, george floyd's brother, the civil rights attorney ben crump, a whole number of cases, and many other victims and lawyers are also a part of these conversations. what do you hope will come of this sitdown? >> well, i mean, i hope something comes from it. now the time to pass meaningful legislation, i've read the george floyd justice in policing act, there are a couple points there, that, you know, i hope they can work out but i have a bit of a problem with. but there's one glaring omission in my opinion. there is absolutely nothing in there that deals with leadership development in policing. i mean, if we really want
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lasting change, in policing, then we have to be able to face the fact that there is no real system in place to develop the leaders of the future in policing, at all levels, first line supervisor all the way up to chief, good chiefs, the sheriffs are more by chance than by design. that should not be. and so there's an opportunity to include that in this legislation. >> and commissioner ramsey, as you were saying, that made me think of what you represent to just the men and women, the rank and file, and where you are able to get in your career as a commissioner of a major city of a -- the chief of washington, d.c. i mean, hats off to you in the -- what you had to face as you climbed the ladder, so to speak, and were able to put yourself in a position of leadership, and we're all better because of it. thanks for being us. jennifer rodgers, thank you as well. i appreciate both of your expertise, and insights that you're able to share with us.
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what a difference a week makes, take a look at this graph, new cases of the coronavirus dropping, we ended yesterday averaging nearly 52,600 new cases a day in the u.s. that is down 17% from last week, and it's the lowest we've seen since mid-october. there are other signs that we may soon be returning to normal. tonight, the nfl draft will be in person after going virtual last year. the kentucky derby is back this weekend with fans. atlanta set to allow full capacity at two sports stadiums beginning may 7th. disney land is preparing for friday's grand reopening and new york city's mayor just announcing today the city will fully reopen on july 1st. but it's hard to feel too good about this, as we witness what is happening in india. the skyrocketing surge in new cases of covid there, is prompting the u.s. government to urge all americans in india to
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leave, as soon as possible, coronavirus is spreading so fast. yesterday india hit a new record of more than 3,600 deaths in one day. graphics, apocalyptic images coming in from new delhi that may be difficult to watch. it's important you see the reality, crematoriums are running out of space, forcing them to build makeshift funeral pyres in parks and other public areas. cnn's sam kylie is there. >> reporter: this is a crematorium where the dead have to join a queue. relatives or friends have a take tickets from an office to get access to the crematorium that's dealing with about 150 people a day, almost all of them victims of the covid pandemic, a pandemic that the government seems to indicate earlier this year had somehow passed india by, that india reached a level of herd immunity that even countries that are vaccinate on
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a vast scale have not reached. india is an exporter of vaccines. people here squarely blame the government for this catastrophe that has unfolded, and this, after all, is a nation that can put aircraft carriers at sea, that has a space program, that is the center for many international corporations of i.t. and development, but is also a country where there are catastrophic differences between the very rich and the very poor. and here it's been extremely because a lot of victims of this pandemic have been middle class. they're the ones perhaps who can afford to have their families burns in a facility like this and it may indicate one of the reasons as to why a lot of the estimates for the number of dead and the number of people in india who have been infected may be woefully inadequate. sam kiley, cnn, new delhi. >> that is so heartbreaking to
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president biden urging congress to act now on police reform. >> my fellow americans, we have to come together to rebuild trust between law enforcement and the people they serve. through that systemic racism in our criminal justice system, and enact police reform in george
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floyd's name, that passed the house already. i know republicans have their own ideas, and are engaged in a very productive discussion with democrats in the senate. we need to work together to find a consensus. but let's get it done next month. by the first anniversary of george floyd's death. utah as republican governor spencer cox is with us now, great to have you with us, governor, you signed into law a dozen police reform bills. i couldn't help but notice in that clip we just showed the current lack of republican enthusiasm, they weren't on their feet as someone who has prioritized this issue what's your reaction? >> my reaction is, welcome to congress. this is what happens and it happens all the time. if the democrat says something, republicans aren't supposed to cheer, and it's dumb and it's not what the people of our
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country expect from their leaders. and so -- but that's the way congress is, and we're grateful that in utah we're not that way. >> let's talk about what you've done in utah. you just passed 12 new bills dealing with police reform which include increased training on deescalation, internal investigations into misconduct will now continue even after an officer leaves their job, and data will now be collected for every use of force incident. whenever an officer points a gun or taser at someone, that's among many other things you've enacted. you got this work done with work by both parties. what's your message to lawmakers in washington as they try to negotiate police reform? >> well, my message is that we've got to stop thinking as americans, and having to choose between false choices. you can be pro-cop and anti-murder. we can do these things together, and that's what happened in utah. i just can't tell you how different and how cool it was at this bill signing, with these 12
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bills, we had republicans and democrats who sponsored these bills together. we had our law enforcement community, the naacp, and other community activists standing shoulder to shoulder celebrating positive things that happened. and instead of, you know, defunding the police, we're actually giving more support to our officers, giving them more training. they want to be held accountable. they want to make sure that the bad cops don't get a pass. they want to make sure that we are giving them the training that they need. and you mentioned it, deescalation training, training around autism, mental health, and suicide by cop, all of those things to help them do their jobs better. and then collecting data so we can see what's working and what's not working and we can make changes where they need to happen. >> quickly on this issue, just for a moment, republicans we've heard from who believe that it's better left for the states to handle the police reform, individually, do you think there's a federal role in this? >> well, i think everything's
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better left to the states to handle, and we have proven that over and over again, the dysfunction in washington is just unconscionable and it continues. so i would rather do it our way because we did it the right way. if they want to copy us, that's >> president biden is pushing this big, bold agenda. you've spoken about the importance of investing in the state's infrastructure. can you get behind the president's plan? >> i can get behind small portions of it. we've been really good here in utah. we were able to, buftecause of way we handled the pandemic, because of the growth in our economy, we've had a really unique opportunity to invest in education, to invest in infrastructure, and then to give some tax cuts to families and veterans and our seniors. >> forgive me for interrupting but i'm short on time. what parts of this plan could you get behind? >> well, the parts that actually focus on real infrastructure, right? we need to make sure that we
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have roads and that we have bridges and that we have those types of things that matter, and some of our infrastructure is aging. our water infrastructure, for example, the federal government stopped investing in water infrastructure several years ago, which i think was a mistake and that's one area where we absolutely need to rebuild our infrastructure. >> utah governor spencer cox, really appreciate you taking the time. thank you so much for being here and i hope you'll join us again. >> thank you, ana. president biden says he didn't have advance warning of the federal raid on the home and office of ex-trump attorney rudy giuliani. you'll hear from another former attorney of the ex-president, michael cohen, ahead. s why i goh liberty mutual — they customize my car insurance so i only pay for what i need. 'cause i do things a little differently. hey, i'll take one, please! wait, this isn't a hot-dog stand? no, can't you see the sign? wet. teddy. bears. get ya' wet teddy bears! one-hundred percent wet, guaranteed!
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for the past six decades, late night television has grown from a shot in the dark experiment to a thriving cultural phenomenon. now the new cnn original series "the story of late night" examines how late night tv not only keeps us laughing but shapes how we see the world. here's a preview. >> steve allen was the generator of a lot of ideas that were way ahead of its time. >> several critics through the years called my father the most imitated man in television because many of the early experiments he made were often used and developed by other comedians to great effect. >> and here he is now, the question man. >> like the question man, where
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he would provide the question to an answer. >> buffalo bill. >> the question? when you buy a buffalo, what do you get at the first of the month? >> johnny did a later version called karnak the magnificent. >> sis boom bah. >> disboom baa. describe the sound made when a sheep explodes. >> joining us now is the author of "the comedians" and we had a little real estate problem. cliff, late night tv is so thoroughly embedded in our culture today but back when it was first created in the early '50s, hosts and producers, network executives had no idea what they were doing or what it would turn into. >> originally, late night tv, "the tonight show" with steve allen was largely improvised and steve allen, who was the first host of "the tonight show" was known for his fast wit and he could really roll with anything, just improvise, talk to the audience, but right from the very beginning, late-night
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television was also political and a lot of people think in recent history is when it became sort of polarizing or political are trump jokes but it's not the case if you go back and watch johnny carson in the 1980s, he did lots and lots of material about the iran-contra scandal and even in the earliest days, 1954, there's sort of a notorious story, steve allen had welcomed the great black singer, lena horne, who was already a movie star at the time, and she sang a song. steve allen came up to her afterwards, the audience applauded, he was applauding, he gave her a peck on the cheek and said, you're great, doll. come back any time. after that moment, later in the week, they got all kinds of racist hate mail because steve allen had kissed a black woman on the cheek on live television on "the tonight show," and later that week, steve allen went on the air live and read one of these hateful letters with all the horrible words. the audience was stunned, quiet, nobody knew he was going to do this.
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and when he finished reading this horrible, racist letter that called him out for kissing lena horne on the cheek, he said, if anybody knows who this man is, please let us know. he did not have enough gumption to sign his own name and if you do know this person, and steve allen, who is known for wearing his horn-rim glasses, then whipped off his glasses and said, please find him a psychiatrist, he's is the sickest man in network. and the entire audience erupted in applause. completely improvised. so, you know, this was just one of the early examples of sort of the political ramifications and free wheeling improvised atmosphere of late-night television. >> oh my gosh, that gives us such a little tiny taste, an appetizer for the show that's coming up. kliph, i wish we had time to discuss more. be sure to tune into the all-new cnn original series "the story of late night" premiers sunday at 9:00 p.m. on cnn. thanks for being with me.
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i'll see now tomorrow. join me on twitter in the meantime. "newsroom" continues with alisyn "newsroom" continues with alisyn and victor next. -- captions by vitac -- hello, and thank you for being with us. i'm victor blackwell. >> and i'm alisyn camerota. president biden arriving in georgia moments ago where he's set to visit former president jimmy carter. he's on the road to publicly pitch his big plans to transform the middle class but biden's already getting pushback from even within his own party. and we have new details about the fed's raid of rudy giuliani's apartment. first we're just watching the first couple there get into the transport. so, rudy's apartment and office were raided. president trump's one-time fixer and personal attorney, michael cohen, tells us that he thinks this was about much more than just ukraine. and michael cohen is going to join us live just ahead. there is also this


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