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need the bombers if they were to attack taijuan, that analysts say is a message to the united states which has a troop station in japan and guam and those bombers could target those american troops in those locations. >> thank you very much. appreciate it. incredible. only chinese speaking democracy in the world. thanks for joining us. anderson starts now. good evening. president biden is airborne heading back from his summit with vladimir putin and departed geneva with a distinction not publicly siding against his d diplomats as his predecessor did. this was a normal meeting between a super power and influential but quite difficult. president biden's meetings ran shorter than expected and the president said i did what i came to do. >> the bottom line is i told president putin that we need to have basic rules of the road that we can all abide by. i also said there are areas
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where there is a mutual interest for us to cooperate. for our people, russian and american people, but also for the benefit of the world and the security of the world. >> well, to that end, the president said he warned against further russian cyber attacks in the u.s. and promised devastating consequences if alexey navalny dies in prison and brought up the cases of two americans detained in russia and sought to tamp down the impression either side is seeking to rerun the cold war. >> i don't think he's looking for a cold war with the united states. i don't think it's about, as i said to him, i said your generation and mine are ten years apart. this is not a kumbiah moment. let's hug and love each other. it clearly not in everybody's interest, your country's or mine for us to be in a situation where we're in a new cold war and i truly believe he thinks
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that and understands that. >> for his part mr. putin deflected and denied russian misconduct and expressed a measure of hope for the future. >> translator: first general appraisal, i think there was no hostility quite the contrary. the meeting took place principally speaking many of our positions we don't share the same positions in many areas but i think that both of these sides showed a willingness to understand one another and to find ways to bring our positions closer together. the talks were quite constructive. >> in other words, about what you'd expect after most ordinary summits. this one did however bring out a testy side of president biden. he snapped at this question and followup from cnn's kaitlan collins. >> why are you confident he'll change his behavior, mr. president? >> i'm not confident he'll change his behavior.
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when did i say i was confident? i said -- i said -- what i said was if he changes his behavior the rest of the world reacts to diminishing the world. i'm not confident of anything. i'm stating a fact. >> given his past behavior has not changed and after sitting down with you for several hours he denied involvement in cyber attacks and human rights abuses and refused to say alexi navalny's name. how was that a constructive meeting with president putin? >> if you don't understand that -- >> he left for the airport home but not without saying this to reporters out on the ramp. >> i owe my last questioner an apology. i shouldn't have been such a wise guy with the last answer i gave. anyway, thanks for being here. >> perspective from fiona hill, senior director for european
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foreign affairs. ms. hill, having been at the 2018 trump putin summit in helsinki, i wonder how you think today's events in geneva compare. >> i think it's very hard to compare with the helsinki summit in terms of the optics of it from the outside and press conference that was of course something of a debacle in helsinki? >> you wish you could pull a fire alarm or something to stop that? it was extraordinary what happened in 2018. >> it was. i think, you know, probably with the exception of you the press had a lot to report on after that, most peaople watching it wanted to pull a fire alarm or switch the tv off. i had colleagues said they were
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screaming. the press conference didn't add up to what happened at the meeting before hand in terms of the substance of the meeting. there you can make some comparison because the desire of both sides in helsinki was to try to put the relationship, you can't sit on a normal footing because we're in an extremely confrontation l rerelationship russia. there will always be drama around meetings of the heads of the state and a meeting between the secretary of state and the foreign minister counter parts, even the ministers of defense all kinds of other levels of the government wouldn't seem extraordinary because we would be giving diplomacy a chance to do work and to try to see if we can find someway of taking down the confrontation between russia and the united states by a couple of notches. what happened in helsinki, the press conference ratcheted out of proportion again but similarities in terms of what has come out of the meeting in geneva and the meeting in
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helsinki in terms of the strategic stability talks, some talking about cyber although less of that discussion, helsinki is crucial and essential now and there was agreements of more regular meetings between the professional staffs of the u.s. and russian government. so there is a little over lap there with the exception of the press conference. >> when there is the hint of talks on cyber issues, obviously, the russian government is well aware, i assume and correct me if i'm wrong on the hacking groups which exist in their territory and i mean, nobody, none of the groups could exist without vladimir putin. does it matter if they are willing to continue to support hacking groups? >> that's what we're going to have to push.
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i mean, talks of no good unless there are results and there is an awful lot of criticism about taking for the sake of talking and in fact, the previous administration tried to avoid having cyber talks beyond a basic working level because of precisely this problem and i'm sure that this administration as aware of it and the problem that we have in these ransomware attacks is twofold. first of all, the russian government can agree with the united states government in a formal context to basically shoe any kind of attacks on critical infrastructure and indeed, president biden said that a whole list of areas that were completely off limits whether it would be a pretty hash response have been handed over to the russian government. i think he said 16 areas but the big problem is of course if hackers and criminals are basically attacking the same systems and so, you know, is there some kind of mechanism within that agreement to have the respective governments go
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after them? i think president biden also said look, how would you guys feel if your infrastructure for example, the pipelines were being basically attacked and infiltrated and hacked by some guy sitting i think he said in florida, he was poking a couple places out of the air. the rush nls assians just sat b there. they want to tie our hands but leave themselves with freedom of maneuver and putin said one thing in the meetings that we have to pay careful attention to. he usually says well, the russian state didn't do that. well, yeah, okay, the russian state didn't do it but what about these other non-state actors and that's where we have to pay it off with the attention when we go out of this. you're absolutely right. that's going to be the problem area. >> leading up to the summit, much was made of the tactics that putin used to, you know, throw off his counter parts or just irk them or try to show dominance arriving late in one of his most common plays.
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he didn't do that. he showed up on time. things seemed to go according to plan. the meeting was shorter than some expected. did that tell you anything? >> well, it did show he was taking it seriously and some respects he's supported to be the host of this meeting so, you know, showing up late to party, putin is renowned for this but i think it was signaling. i've been at other meetings where he hasn't been appreciative with meetings in the kremlin with dellations and appreciates a business like manner and full agenda. he was signaling they did want to get down to business and did want to get through everything. that in itself isn't something you can take home to the bank and the question will be, you know, how did it go afterwards? we did see in his press conference he didn't miss an opportunity to turn everything back aground at the quunited states, human rights and opposition and the politics.
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he didn't miss a beat at all when he was basically trying to denounce the united states and put a rather dark shutter on the u.s. behavior. so, you know, some things don't change that much. >> yeah, i feel like they have been doing that since the soviet days. in the post summit press conference, president putin was asked about president biden and i just want to play what he had to say. >> translator: if you ask me what kind of partner to look at president biden is, i would say that he is very balanced professional man. it's obviously clear he's very experienced. >> in terms of possible praise from vladimir putin, was that up usual or proform ma of what you expected? >> that's not bad. it is a signal of basically saying he wants to do business. i mean, if you actually look at the record of putin's meetings with presidents now going back to george w. bush, he has always
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been quite keen on sitting down with american presidents and, you know, getting down to it in terms of thrashing out a host of issues where he wants to see russia's interest respected. you know, other times of course, it's obviously been more valuable to him to just try to score a cheap political point and push our buttons. that was what was going on in helsinki but look, i think that putin reached a point where he may be interested in just taking the temperature down ever so slightly and not getting things out of control. >> fiona hill, appreciate it. thank you. >> thanks so much, anderson. more to talk about, cnn jim sciutto and clarissa ward join us from geneva. what were the tangible things that came out of the summit? >> well, i think the biden administration was clear from
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get-go that tangible deliverables might be few and far between. we heard putin say they were speaking the same language and now the question is does that translate into something more substantive further down the line? they issued a joint communication where they talked about this strategic stability dialogue, cooperating on areas of arms control, potentially on syria, afghanistan, iran, a host of different issues. the big ones, though, obviously reinstating the ambassadors, which is certainly significant and the other one is announcing the beginning of a dialogue potentially about a prisoner swap. this is something, of course, the families twoof the two americans being held in russia are very, very keen to see transform into something substantive. the russians are asking a high price. they want this infamous russian dealer viktor bout released as part of an exchange. unclear whether the u.s. has appetite for that but certainly, i would say that was one of the more hopeful moments in that
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press conference from both of the world leaders giving the sense that that could be something that would translate into a deliverable further down the line. >> jim, if the president's mission was to have a low drama summit and address what the president is unhappy about without an international summit, was the goal met? >> well, listen, by the reduced managed expectations of this summit, you can make a good argument it was. by the way, from both sides because both sides were managing expectations going in. nobody was advertising, you know, some sort of breakthrough agreement on the real tough issues like ukraine cyber war fair, et cetera. but you did have as clarisa said at least the promise of discussions about a prisoner swap, the exchange of am basketball to -- ambassadors and the importance of a turn from biden's predecessor, as well, right? compare helsinki to geneva.
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helsinki, they undermined u.s. interest and stood next to a russian president and took his word over the word of u.s. intelligence agencies to the criticism not just of democrats but republicans. you had a u.s. president here very clearly state america's positions on core issues. human rights for instance. biden said definitively, the american people could not have good faith in me as an american president unless i call out this kind of behavior. putin isn't going to discover religion on human rights but to have an american president stick to that precedent of saying this is an important issue for us, that's a mark change. again, you know, managed, reduced expectations at least in that sphere you can say that is equal footing with biden and gives him power internationally and at home. >> clarisa, you obviously covered alexey navalny
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extensively and putin refused to say his name out loud. i want to play what president biden said warning of the consequences if navalny dies in prison. >> i made it clear to him that i believe the consequences of that would be devastating for russia. what do you think happens when he's saying it's not about hurting navalny and all the stuff he says to rationalize the treatment of navalny and then he dies in prison? it's about trust. it's about their influence other nations in a positive way. >> it's not necessarily saying the u.s. would act in a devastating way toward russia. it's just saying that if navalny died in prison, it could be devastating for the world stage. >> i think you hit on something really crucial there, anderson
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and the kremlin appeared to be calling the white house's bluff on this. the crkremlin doesn't believe t u.s. will cross a certain line in terms of punishing russia for the treatment of alexi navalny. they saw the sanctions leveed at the kremlin as a result of the poisoning as being not super official but let's say symbolic and understand that president biden has to stand on that stage and has to take a very serious tone and has to lecture about human rights but they don't believe the u.s. would go much further than that in a worst-case scenario where alexi navalny dies and we know from putin's behavior on a host of different issues that how it appears on the world stage is not necessarily something that overly concerns him. if anything, he appears to have embraced this sort of a arch villain reputation where he
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denies these things but on the other hand he somehow appears to not endorse it but certainly find it amusing when asked on the nbc news interview about the lists of political prophone inno -- proponents of his who died he started laughing. i don't think there is a sense anything is going to change in terms of putin's treatment of alexi navalny based on what happened today. >> clarissa ward, jim sciutto, thank you. we'll continue the conversation in a moment with the folks of this summit including president biden that built his reputation of foreign policy experience as a senator and vice president. republicans trying to rewrite what happened the day of the capitol riot. you know that but it continues. one congressman being condemned for remarks about capitol police saying one of those critics, his own sister will join us when we continue. ♪ ♪ ♪
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the summit is not only a potential reset but a capstone who secpent decades on the international stage. he was of usu obviously picked president obama's running mate to the ticket back then. biden thrives on the personal relationship building that he believes is necessary with world leaders and polices heavy emphasis on personality as a factor of foreign affairs. i'm joined by evan. i'm wondering what your sense of what this summit meant for president biden. >> well, it's enormously important for the reason you mentioned. he made a promise essentially to the american people. he said i am a skilled p practitioner of foreign affairs and will bring the world into something you'll find more recognizable to what it was before the era of donald trump. there was a tremendous amount on the line. an event like this, the first trip abroadc casts a long shado.
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he looked into putin's eyes and saw his soul. you have to put in the context of this week to understand the meaning. you have to remember he came into this saying that the goal at the g 7 at nato and ultimately in this summit with putin was to basically tell the world that as he put it the democratic allies are tight. that was his word. it was to try to sort of undue the damage of the last few years in which you had this unnerving scenario in which the united states was at odds with the allies and friends with its foes. he was there to rebalance the scales and not create an unforced error and by that low standard he was considered as good enough. >> you said when it comes to meetings like these, there are two subjects president biden is equally passionate about. what are they? >> this is an interesting one. you heard biden return to two big themes. his suspicion of validladimir p.
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go back to 2014 i remember interviewing him and he said he didn't think the united states was paying enough attention to the threat posted by putin. this is a time we were paying more attention to iraq and syria and so on. two years before the presidential election at which russia interfered. the other point and this is intention with his first one is he also believes that personal diplomacy is essential. we know this, right? it's a big piece of how he thinks he can solve problems. so he has this problem. how do you deal with somebody who you fundamentally do not trust but also how do you bring that personal element? what he was trying to do is strike a balance. he suddenly forgotten everything he's said and believed about vladimir putin but create an apparatus, opportunity for them to try to produce a relationship. let's be blunt. he does not want it to be on the front burner. he wants the russia relationship to be taking over in the background and not consuming his attention. >> there was a testy exchange between the president and kaitlan collins. i don't want to play it again but i thought it was interesting
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for him to then later come back and address it. i'm wondering what you made of that. i'm not sure what it says but i thought it was interesting. >> yeah, it was interesting. actually, you know, he of usually wished it didn't happen and apologized for it. it was a window into a side of him that people who work with him describe. something i've written about which is he has a prickly side. we think of him as a very figure. he can be curt with people and dismissive and clearly thought he was in this case and tried to clean it up as he said but i remember talking to a native remember him getting off the foreign with a foreign leader and it hadn't gone well and vice president biden said, you know, don't ever put me in that position again. he has a temper and you sometimes see it when the stakes are high. >> the president also said today that the last thing that vladimir putin wants is a new cold war. it's also clearly something president biden doesn't want. is he mindful of his legacy at
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this stage or, you know, i mean,est certainly mindful of the high stakes of this moment. >> yeah, you know, i paid attention to that line, anderson. that was interesting because look, on a pure level, yes, vladimir putin doesn't want another cold war. the russians lost the last one and the trama of vladimir putin's adult life. kgb officer feeding documents into a furnace when the berlin wall fell and seems comfortable with what we could probably call something like a cool war with this chronic tension with the united states. he does not trust the united states. he has not since the fall of saddam hussein and believes they will prut pressure on and the goal for biden is to essentially figure out not how do you get rid of the challenge posed by vladimir putin and not how do you appease it or try to sud
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de -- seduce it but manage it. the portfolio does not consume everything in the world and does not throw us off track. that's what this is about. trying to create a system in which you can respotore putin t where he wants to be. >> appreciate it. thanks so much. coming up next, the congressman who won't shake the hand of the police officer badly hurt trying to protect him from the mob attacking the capitol. that and the other congressman trying to rewrite the history of that day. he won't talk to us but we'll speak to someone close to him who will and got plenty to say about the kind of man her brother is. ul long-lasting relief with a revolutionary, rollerball design. because with the right pain reliever... life opens up. aleve it, and see what's possible.
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now, that's making a difference. when we left you 21 house republicans members refused to shake the hand of officer michael fanon beaten that day, pepper sprayed and suffered a heart attack. for the congressman that wouldn't shake his hand, andrew clyde, despite having helped barricade himself from an angry mob, he's the same one that compared the mob as breaching the capitol to a normal tourist visit. when it happened, didn't think it was so normal. then there is arizona congressman paul gosar portraying the law enforcement officer that shot and killed an attacker as an executioner. listen to what he asked
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christopher wray at hearings yesterday. >> director wray, do you know who executed ashley babbot? >> no. >> do you agree she was unarmed and the capitol officer that did that shooting appeared to be hiding and gave no warning before killer her? question again why hasn't that officer that executed ashley babbott been named when police officers around the country are routinely identified after a shooting? >> keeping them honest, there is no point in us refuting the congressman's lies because the facts speak for themselves. take a look at the photo from the other side of the barricade. congressman ruben tweeted out saying this is what the capitol police officer faced. i took this photo minutes before the insurrectionists was shot the last line of defense between us and the insurrectionists. liz cheney weighed in with this tweeting on january 6th, as the violent mob advanced on the house chamber i was standing
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near goasr and helped him open his gas mask. it is disrupting and despicable to see him lie about that day and smear the men and women that defended us. we wanted the congressman's take after emailing people in his office, texting and messaging people in the office we got an answer, thank you we decline. his sister, jennifer gosar could make it however. she and several other siblings campaigned against the congressman and put out anned a calling out his lies about the insurrection. first of all, appreciate you being with us. this can't be easy, ever. i want to ask about the comments from your brother. when u youyou heard him say tha what goes through your mind? first, thanks for inviting me to be on your show and giving me a chance to speak about this. what goes through my mind is what has been going through my mind but, you know, more intensely, right, to have
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witnessed through live media on the day that it was happening to see the footage since and now to see that not only does the nba have for higher standards for hitting members but then also to see that like our congressman are actively trying to erase what is a very documented insurrection and to know that my brother is part of that is not surprising to me, anderson, but something that it intensifies the frustration about what they're trying to enact with us as citizens in the society at the moment and also, just stunned at the laziness of it. >> the lesson on cnn with your other brother tim, you talked about how you believe your brother congress man gosar to be partly responsible for the january 6th insure recollection.
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do you still believe that? >> absolutely. absolutely. i have no evidence to the contrary and it would be at least, you know, a requirement of our congressional body, the senate and the house to investigate that as they have tried but the senate filibustered. i absolutely believe that and hold the people that fund the campaign and continued to fund it like the american dental association pact, i hold those people accountable for not speaking up and putting on pressure and actually investigate what was a criminal act and that i do still believe my brother was an organizer of or part organizer of and i have no evidence to the contrary to suggest anything different. >> your brother was a dentist before running for elected office. i mean, is this -- you campaigned against him when he ran for his current seat in arizona as did a number of your other siblings did, as well.
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is this just about him appealing to, you know, his conservative base and who are supportive of the president? is this -- do you think he knows better or is this really what he -- does he really believe the person, you know, who was one of the people who was defending congress people as an executioner? >> that's a rich question, honestly because the convenience with which paul finds stories to fuel his anger, his hate and bigotry, you know, does he believe it all? i think he probably doesn't but it's so convenient and he keeps telling himself he's anble to find the anger to fuel the rhetoric. if this isn't successful, they may have to answer to the american public and the congress -- the congress at
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large has to actually take, you know, make those members that were involved accountable and all of the organizers and instigators of that insurrection. >> the thing i don't understand. people like your brother who are attacking law enforcement person and, you know, denying what happened and claiming this was any other kind of visit by tourists, when it was actually happening, i mean, what liz cheney pointed out, she helped him get out his gas mask and he scurried off with everybody else to safety, which is the wise thing to do because they were in danger. he certainly felt in danger at the time. the idea now that he's safe, he's changing the story for political reasons. it just seems really appalling. >> it's despicable. i mean, and does despicable really capture it? those are the best words i can think of but to be honest with you, i think that it goes to the point of criminal and that's why
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i think the effort is so intense because if they're not able to erase and really like gloss over and if people like, you know, house speaker nancy pelosi and senate leader chuck schumer allow this to continue, if there is not a stronger effort to hold them accountable asking for an ethics investigation, if efforts like that aren't taken, if measures aren't taken, then this campaign will be successful and these criminal acts will not be held accountable. it paramount to maintain the stability of our democracy. i think that's something you're probably well aware of. >> appreciate you being with us, thank you. >> thank you very much and also, i just before i wanted to leave, i want to say that happy five-month and i want to honor the celebration of juneteenth this weekend. >> appreciate you being with us, thanks so much. up next, perhaps the strangest new strange twist in
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we've been following the so-called audit infect. they will finish the hand recount by june 26th and another
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significant development that's gone unreported, the analyzing of votes are being done by a contractor taking copies of voting data to a rural spot in montana. gary tuchman has the story. >> reporter: on this piece of property in a remote part of montana, people may at this minute be analyzing voting data from the state of arizona as part of the so-called arizona audit run by the cyber ninjas. a company whose ceo had previously said trump style conspiracy theories. what does montana have to do with this? >> everything that cyber ninjas is doing they're either doing with their own expertise or the expertise of the people they're hired. >> reporter: a contractor hired is called cipher llc. they were permitted to take copies of arizona voting system data on a truck and have it driven to montana where it's being quote forensically evaluated in what he described as a secure powerful laboratory
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but nobody is publicly saying what that means and bennett tells us he doesn't know where the so-called lab is and is apparently a secret. so as you might expect, we're left wondering where in the state of montana are the copies of this voting data being analyzed? where is the secure powerful lab? is what we found out. cyb cipher is based in virginia but cipher is a sister company of citech and citech is based in montana. here we are south of the city of bigfork. we're interestingly citech and c c cifer is run by the same person and that man drove in the truck from arizona to montana so this property where citech happens to be according to records where the ceo lives. his residence. so could the information be here? we could tell you as we walk up
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here the first thing you see on this big piece of land is a sign, private property, trespassing for any purpose is strictly forbidden. we can't cross the area but show you what looks like a cabin on this property. is this the secure powerful laboratory? is arizona voting data inside that cabin? we just don't know. but it could be. >> and the defense -- >> reporter: the boss that drove the truck to montana according to the audit spokesman is ben cotton who testified at a special meeting in the arizona capital last month. >> i have over 25 years of computer forensics experience. >> reporter: we reached out to cotton to ask what kind of analysis is taking place. and about his property. he did not respond. so we did further investigating from the air and we see in addition to the building that looks like a cabin there is on the right a large house in the clearing and on the left a barn and perhaps trailers but no people.
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a real estate website appears to show the large house and 155 acres of land. so there is plenty of space for a lab and palenty of privacy fo the boss. the democratic secretary of state is concerned what is going on 1300 miles north of phoenix. >> was it happening right in front of our eyes, we wouldn't believe it was happening. >> reporter: is there a deadline for finishing this montana analysis? according to the arizona audit speak spokesman, what it's done, it's done. normally on election recount and audits take place outside observers are invited. republican observers, democratic observers, observers. there is no news of outside on servers. anderson? >> yeah, so much for any transparency. gary, appreciate it. up next, a steerere sere --
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steroids. that's the warning today from a white house senior adviser. right now the delta variant accounts for 10% of the cases in the u.s. that's expected to rise. it is easy to forget but the threat does remain. americans are still fighting it. >> they caught all those crabs in that picture, yep. >> reporter: the collage still covers the kitchen table. darrell died of covid-19 last month. she said the 63-year-old became sick after a family wedding. and was hospitalized for a month. >> he's crying, he's scared, i'm scared. now it's getting worse. and he said to me, i'll going to make you a widow at 60. i know it. i know it. i dreamt it two nights ago. i'm going to the sixth floor and i'm going to die. >> michelle says she was vaccinated but her husband was reluctant. she said darrell was nervous, but planned to get the shot
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eventually. >> that's it. there are no more pictures to come. that's all. that's the hard part. >> the decision haunts her now. >> now i'm mourning. something that could have been avoided if he had gotten vaccinated. >> josh garza's medical history made him eligible to be one of the first to get the covid vaccine but he said he didn't want to be a vaccine guinea pig. >> i didn't think it was a hoax but i didn't think i needed to go as far as getting the vaccine. i felt like everything did i was enough. >> but wasn't. he got sick and covid-19 ravaged his lungs. the virus filled his chest to the point where he couldn't see the outline of his lungs in the cloudy x-rays. garza was in the houston methodist hospital for four months and says he was days away from dying until a double lung transplant saved his life. now you can see his lungs again.
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garza says the vaccine would have spared him from this ordeal. >> if i could do it all over again, i would do it. no doubt. i wish people would at least interest or listen to what we went through. >> old school revival. >> a revival. >> go out -- >> at this point, reverend holmes believes the battle to spread vaccine acceptance will be won in local communities by trusted voices. >> we get five, ten, seven, people vaccinate, dog during the revival, hey, that's a success story. >> a virus. >> reverend holmes leads the bethel missionary baptist church in tallahassee, florida. for four days he led a spiritual revival next to the church's mobile health unit.
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nurses administered 18 vaccine shots throughout the week. >> you have two options. to take vaccine or take your chances with covid-19. >> mike lewis jr. can't help but wonder if the revival's message could have saved his father's life. his father was known as big mike. for 30 years, michael lewis was a fixture working security at the front doors of the st. petersburg florida nightclub scene. big mike was diagnosed with covid in early may and died just four days later. >> it's tough. i lost a piece of myself, i feel like. >> his son says he was never vaccinated because wasn't a priority as the 58-year-old juggled multiple jobs. but this loss is a wake-up call. >> we are making appointments ourselves, my wife and i to actually get that done. >> this has changed your outlook on the vaccine now. >> correct, correct. fear is a motivator. >> reverend holmes knows too
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often it takes stories of payment and loss to motivate a flock so he'll be trying to convert the vaccine hesitant -- >> say thank you, lord! >> one soul at a time. >> and ed joins us now from dallas. i wonder what the main reason people are not getting shots when shots are available for anyone who wants one. >> we found a couple different reasons. there's a camp of people who are just politically opposed to it. there are also a number of people who are concerned, are anxious about it. and then there are a number of people who just, they haven't had time. they haven't prioritized it. it is a window into the reason why the vaccination rates in this country is starting to slow down and it is really a sad story. so many of the people that are dying now are unvaccinated. so as we're coming out of this pandemic and so many are celebrating, there are thousands
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of families suffering and the pain and the loss of family members who have died to covid who are left wondering, could they have done something and gotten the vaccine to save their lives? >> yeah, i appreciate it. we encourage everyone to get vaccinated. just ahead, a new federal holiday honoring the emancipation of slaves approved on capitol hill. details when we return. cheesy cauliflower pizza eag with extra broccolini. my tuuuurrrrn! tonight...i'll be eating cheesy cauliflower pizza and yummy broccolini! (doorbell rings) thanks. (doorbell rings) thank you. ♪ ♪ is that my leotard? no. yes... ehh, you can keep it. no, he's not in his room. ♪
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emancipation of slave people is expected to be enacted into law. a day after the senate did the same. 14 republicans voted against the bill. once president biden signs it, june 19th will be known as j juneteenth independence day. >> a question, the great mr. cooper. what is the significance of juneteenth if at the same time we pass into law that it must be recognized, we see the same body failing to protect some of the signature rights that go along with freedom of the same. >> a good question there, chris. >> deep, man, deep. that is the hypocrisy that we're dealing with these days is that that's why we have to depend on good minds like yours to keep calling it out. thank you. good to see you as always. >> he laughs but not because he finds it funny. president biden returns to manager tonight after his historic summit with vladimir putin. here's the