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>> the big lie is just that, a big lie. [ applause ] >> the 2020 election, it's not hyperbole. in america if you lose, you accept the results. you follow the constitution. you try again. you don't call facts fake and then try to bring down the ame americans just because you're unhappy. that's not statesmanship. [ applause ] >> that's not statesmanship. that's selfishness. that's not democracy. >> and vice president harris, well, meeting with democratic
state lawmakers from texas who fled the state in a move to stop a gop bill aimed at restricting voting rights, saying they're showing courage and patriotism. i'm going to speak with one of the lawmakers in just a few moments. the u.s. heading in the wrong direction on covid. the virus surging in 35 states as the vaccinations plummet. gentlemen, good evening to both of you. david, let's begin with you and let's talk about president biden calling this attack on voting rights the most significant test to our democracy since the civil war. so great speech. now what? >> i think now what is a very important question, because part of democracy is you have to have 50 votes in the senate to change the rules. they don't have 50 votes to change the filibuster. they don't have 60 votes to break the filibuster, and so now
what is a really good question. the question is whether pressure builds to the point where senator manchin might accept and senator sinema a carveout for voting on voting-related legislation. if they don't, i think that all of this energy is going to have to be directed toward getting people out to the polls and overcoming all the barriers that have been set up, because they're running out of room here. and it's pretty clear that this supreme court is not going to give much support to any of these efforts. it's not even clear that the supreme court would accept what the congress does because they've been so partial to state laws over -- you know, over complaints about civil rights violations and other infringements. so what next is the big question, don. and what next may end up being,
storming to the polls in 2022. >> bakari, don't think i didn't catch that when he said great speech, now what. you don't have much time right now for this rhetorical approach is what you say. you're calling for something more concrete. tell me about that, and why today was so frustrating for you and for, you believe, many. >> first, let me just say the orat oratory was brilliant. i think he hearkened back to the 44th president, barack obama. there was tone, there was passion, it filtered through the screen. you could feel that. we're at a point where we need more than speech, we oraoratory. i hear my good friend saying we just need to storm the polls but
we gave you the white house, and if you're not going to do anything, why does it matter? if you're not going to give us voting rights, if you're not going to give us police reform, if you're not going to give us something you can do with the stroke of a pen, which is reschedule marijuana, literally, why are you there? that is the question. today the oratory was great, but i believe we're at a point in time where we're beyond oratory. we've been debating, don, voting rights since my father was literally a child. we're talking about generations of african-americans in this country specifically who have watched loved ones die, who have had to protest, who have had to storm the polls. so for us to say, and for joe biden who i support, who i love, who i adore, for us to say that we have to go out and vote some more, why do we give you jon ossoff? >> first of all, i love bakari and he is a good friend of mine. whenever he starts off by saying, my good friend, i know
that what follows isn't necessarily going to be all that rece receptive. but here's my question back to you, bakari. and what? what are you suggesting? what do you think the president should do? should they, you know, expel members? what exactly should they do? >> i think the furor -- i think the oratory is great, but what you have to use instead of the bully pulpit on the rest of us, instead of talking about donald trump, it has to be focused on two people. it's on kyrsten sinema and joe k manchin. you're right, we only have 40 votes. it's your responsibility not to go out and get 60, but it's your responsibility to go out and get two and make it 50 so we s actually have -- if it's that consequential, if you're going
to get a speech that that's consequential, get two votes. >> you're a young political talent. you could be sitting in that chair one day. tell me exactly what that means. what does that look like? how does he compel joe manchin who has made very clear that he's never going to vote -- he said again today never against the -- how does he compel him to do that? it seems to me he's doing what he can do, which is to turn up the heat rhetorically and work behind the scenes to try and move manchin and sinema to a place where, you know, where they are willing to consider this if they can. and the fact is, joe manchin isn't being hurt politically in any way by taking the posture that he's taken. i get frustrated with this notion that, well, just do something. you've got to do something. nobody knows who is saying you've got to do something.
what exactly it is that he can do -- >> let me just add to that, let me just add to that. because even today, joe manchin is saying, bakari, to david's point, the only answer to -- what will you do in order to get rid of the filibuster, what would you convince you? and the word was simply nothing. >> listen, why are we here, then? that's my point. if it's this consequential where you go to philadelphia and you give this landmark speech and you hearken in all the passion, it's a freedom call for democracy. why don't you call them in your office? why not give them this clarion call. we're not going to talk about limiting resources for re-election, that doesn't make sense. but what we are going to do is carve outing out voting rights this is important.
the closest i've gotten to the white house is the christmas parties, in the west wing -- in the east wing. i wasn't even in the west wing, i was in the east wing. what did you guys do in this situation? you know you're not going to get 60 votes. what's next? >> let me tell you something. i live through these frustrations when i was in the white house, you know. you were with us from the beginning. i lived through it when we were trying to pass the affordable care act. you know, we have democrats who were resistant to some of the p precepts that we were promoting. ultimately we got a strong bill, but not necessarily the bill we wanted. that is the frustration of governing. i'm just telling you, maybe in the movies, okay?
maybe in the movies you call in senator xy & z and you give a west wing speech and they write tears to themselves in front of our eyes. they say, i've seen the light. that's not the way the world works. manchin has his own review and constituency, and i think he honestly believes this, that he doesn't want to erode the filibuster. i still have extreme hope, because of the recalcitrants. manchin has proposed a bill so he obviously believes reforms are necessary, and maybe he will vote to ultimately, at the end of the day, he will come around. but it's not going to be because, you know, the president gave him a gerrymander.
remember, he's trying to get the other guys around his packaging too which are also significant. i'm telling you, having sat there, the reality of governance, okay, and i say this with great respect because i feel -- i share your sense of urgency about this, and i feel particularly i know your family history. i know how deeply you are invested in this, as you should be, as we all should be, but i'm just telling you the reality. and the reality is you just can't pound your fist on the desk and command people to do things. harry truman once said, when eisenhower became president, he's going to pick up the phone and start ordering people around and they're not going to respond. this isn't the army. >> that seemed to work for the last guy, but go on, bakari, i'll give you the last word.
>> i don't disagree with you because i know you've been there. i know what you all went through to pass the affordable care act. i know how difficult it was. when i think about the appel la designed to sweet. my only point, in just purely looking at today's speech. it has the urgency of his word, then we should have the passion, then we should do more than that. we deserved more than that, and to ask a voice, against the barrett yerz many times. i'm a fight this is what you're seeing. >> that has to be the last one. david bakari, we'll take it on the road. thank you very much. i'm going to bring in now
melanie campbell. she is the president of black participation. she can also add to this conversation. we're so glad you're here, melanie. do you have an event with ser civil rights activists. >> what was the message left for biden? will it motivate him, daca to me. >> i was listening to the conversation right mccarney talked about, we felt the same,
with . we still need politicians to do what they need to do because we elected them. i was in a meeting last week with my civil service colleagues. get out here, get out here, use his bully pulpulpit. use his center of gravity. we have to decide through our elected officials to do their jobs. that's why the folks had to fly out of texas. wa what's going on as african-americans in this country, we're not going to stay we're voting rights be shefld for one or two kaex. we want this democracy to still be here because of theeds state
laws. >> i could tell through all ofly. it keeps going and going. as a black woman in this country who we delivered. we delivered and deliver and deliver for the democratic party. we seek for the democratic difrd for us. history has shown us we're not going back to the 40s and 50s, not without a fight. so we'll be on capitol hill on thursday,ly for a day re. many let by badge. melanie, let me just ask you -- i've got my one friend and really helped with the election
substantially. will you keep showing up? because you're kind of saying you're sick and tired, right? you want some action. are you going to keep showing up if none of it went the way you drubl to grow. >> if it's a long race, and so were voting rights, what will we do if we allow the voting rights to be so impressed in the 2022. my sister he willen butler has been stripped of the ability to be in. so you have the ability of folks to be rartd. ly. >> we're going to deep showing up. we're going to show up in those
districts. american people have to speak up. those, i believe, didn't know, and i appreciate. >> and i think history has shown us, we can win some battles, reverend -- british king was on one of the and. >> listen, and the only way you're going to do that is have an informed electorate, and i'm gla glad. thank you, mayor cameron. black set texas state mammogram.
i want to talk to you a bit about your meeting. good evening to you, by the way, i want to thank you for your meeting with the vice president every day. wemp thild to meet with vice president harris. we met with her just a few weeks ago when we came to d.c. in june. just like in man of these. a place for. ? and i'm macking sure we can take bold and immediate democracy to give those numbers to get voting bill. so? >> the reason we came here is we neat if on borrowed time in
texas. think after thooel to please donald trump and his big lie. so the only hope we have it in poxes so the have reacted. many of us have risked our day jobs, our political years, elderly, sem plans, do this. we grooift in our system. kwaer up to our if i recall dog dent. i hope, our presidents as tempt tempt tempt a correct me if i'm wrong with, so ask them to please plan. >> that's a very judicious way to say you're lgbt by example,
and i would lemon jones who had hasn't really seen the urgency. people may criticize what you're doing, but it does take some backbone, to put it nicely, to us you also a meeting with majority leader, what did you say? what did he say to you about the filibuster? anything? >> thank you for your kinds and texans, i think, always want to show a backbone. we're legally able to frustrate any way i can. in texas, as democrats we are among the minority or a my afford. we don't hold the governor's
mansion, we don't know if we are protected with any government agencies. and yet we have found ways to use every tool in the tool box to stantd up for oufr constituents and probably eight love inially, as a majority in the senate and has the white i'm a proud democrat and i love my pekds, we don't have time in texas. we are out of time. >> james, i really enjoyed this kvrg gs. >> thank you, don. >> thank you very much. we're getting the final story of the last administration in three books.
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in his book out today titled "frankly we did win this election," the inside story of how trump lost, "wall street journal" correspondent michael bender chronicles a sober moment in the aftermath of trump's defeat in last year's election. quote, the crazies have taken over, mike pompeo warned a colleague. he conveyed concern to others that mr. trump might be more willing to engage in an international conflict to strengthen his political argument for remaining in o office. >> secretary of state mike pompeo becomes very concerned about the national security of the country, the domestic unrest and what that could mean internationally. privately he sets up a call with "daily call"'s chief of staff in order to keep temperatures down. publicly what does he say? he says there is going to be a smooth transition to a second trump term. >> reporter: cnn reached out to
pompeas for a response. they depict trump's lawyer rudy giuliani on election night pushing trump to forget that fox news had called arizona for joe biden. quote, just go declare victory right now, giuliani told trump. you've got to declare victory right now. giu giuliani's conenter jekz of his just say you won strategy. giuliani did not respond to cnn about the book. it portrays a president isolated after the election. quote, by the friday after election day, there was not a single trump aide or white house official or pollster who believed that the election could be effectively challenged.
>> he is a man alone. his lawyers are saying, we're not going to do this. we're not going to fight these cases. >> reporter: and wolfe writes that as the attack on the capitol raged january 6, the president seemed not to be grasping the facts as they were coming through. these people were protesting the election, he was still repeating at 2:30. the president wanted them to do the right thing. these were protesters, his protesters. >> well, the president has responded generally to all three books releasing a statement of the authors saying, they write whatever they want to write, anyway, without sores, fact checking or skw whether or not an event is true or false. frankly, so many stories are made up or pure fiction. now, i want to bring you in with dennis brinkley. good evening to both of you. we know about these books. you saw brian todd's story there.
doug, i'm going to start with you. january 26 is a reminder of how dangerous and chaotic the end of the trump presidency was, but these books sunld to what is worse. is there anything about that that strikes you most? >> of course, the one with rephardt donald trump was, how much he truly. if an incumbent had not ros. they are not to go order that if you're here for longer, just go on the president and just say you, one, shows how rudolph from
being considered a good sherns. one other thing. the foreign policy aspect of this, the pompeo story, the thought that trump may have, and in our. then pull back and say, i can't leave. we're in the middle of this. it's frightening centuries someday of what we were calling vav voes of big lie studies. there was a wormt it was even ple wall. it's from the rucker book at the birth of sifrk routes. he said, just taif me kwun, jewel in opinionen pen.
how is your. it was suggested state after state moralal wine. boast say it was unencumbered by medicine. we can't do that raising our pois. that's 8 . >> donna, i certainly hope so. what this all demonstrated, by wheem is. this take on a ln. our colleagues are those, of course, that many of our celebrate a narcotic of all of this.
that's, mill dwronz of people want to believe thirl. theeds continues to fush these nights. worry worried about some kind of intervention. that could lead to war, that the president is behaving over nausly, but they're saying he ought to be regarded for the second leaders. themp pushing this false narrative. that's a traj die. the think -- michael bender was on cnn talking about how chairman of the joint steefs of happy and. listen to this and then we'll talk about it.
>> milley and attorney general bill barr at the whous. >> i visit with national fda. what do they pasch. . let's go to the white house moment. and whapds? they don't end up most kmefrl moments th -- in the biggest one for years. >> he was water cameraing american citizens. i think it comes across in the book that we felt at the time that trump was usurping his power, was acting with a
dictatorial bent, was willing to ruin the careers of pentagon officials, career soldiers just to do his media stunt, the photo op stunt. incidentally for viewers, bender is a "wall street journal" writer, highly respected journalist, so when you read his book, you realize that everything he says, you can trust. it's really, really riveting reading. >> doug, charlie, thank you so much. i appreciate it. democrats split on policing with crime up across the country after a summer of calls to defund the police. now some democrats are saying we might actually need more police. that's next.
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the minneapolis police department under orders by a judge to hire more officers. in the aftermath of george floyd's murder last year and among calls to defund the police, a city council cut the department's budget. but then they were sued to meet the number of officers required by law, and guess what? they won. dan samuels is part of the city council who was part of that lawsuit and he joins me now. i love your first name. it's really good. >> yep. i told my wife who was on before
that in her life, there is room for only one don. >> thank you for joining us. listen, you and your wife and your neighbor successfully sued the city to get them to hire more police officers. what were you concerned about, sir? >> well, we were concerned about the crime that was boosted by the city council's commitment to defund the police. crime went up to such a level that we had not experienced in 25 years, and was at the second worst level of crime in history. and so we are in the epicenter of the low income neighborhood and crime in our community is worse than anywhere else in the city if you look at things like the hot spotter map, you can see them clustered around our homes
and other homes and the eight of us who filed the lawsuit. bullets coming through our houses, our cars, children being killed, our neighbor's children being killed. it's brutal. sometimes i write about it on facebook and people are questioning whether or not it's really that bad. that's how bad it is. >> let me give some of the numbers. 46 homicides in minneapolis this year compared to 35 during the same period last year. violent crime in your city is at a five-year high. why do you think this is happening? >> well, undoubtedly there might be some covid-related problems as young people didn't have much to do during the isolation at home, et cetera. and the economic conditions that also came along with that. but the crime really spiked after the city council declared and, of course, george floyd's murder is in there.
the city council declared the intent to abolish the police, then the criminal element got the message that we are now in sync with you. your opinion of the police and our opinion of the police is one and the same, and we're on your side. that's what they heard. and we live in this community for 25 years. we know how hard we have to work to tamp down violence here by working with each other, in constant communication with each other. whenever someone moves, we have a welcome wagon. someone moves in, we welcome them with a list of our community standards and we talk to them about our standards here and what we don't put up with, and how we will protect them. so we send the message to our new neighbors. we realize that if we don't do those things, and when we don't do them, crime goes up. >> yeah. >> because constantly someone is going to rent their house out to
a house of prostitution or a drug-dealing family, and you have to be quickly responding to deal with the landlords, to deal with the city, to keep the crime down. so we know that it just takes a little bit to take the lid off from that and everything explodes. >> your story is one worth telling, and after you file the lawsuit, the city council also reverses its original decisions to defund the police approving $64 million in additional funding the department requested to hire and train more police officers. don samuels, thank you, sir. i appreciate you joining us and best of luck to you and your neighbors. >> great to be here. go, minneapolis. we'll be right back. you need only the freshest milk and cream. that one! and the world's best, and possibly only, schmelier. philadelphia. schmear perfection.
so when it comes to covid-19, the news is not good. new cases of the virus surging in 45 states as vaccination rates plummet. and medical experts warning more younger americans are ending up in the hospital with covid. here's cnn's erica heel. >> reporter: despite millions of shots in arms, the u.s. is moving in the wrong direction. >> this is primarily a pandemic
of the unvaccinated, and we need to be very clear about that message. >> reporter: daily vaccination rates are down nearly 50% since last week. average new case jumping 97%, and those are just the ones we know about. >> many people are thinking, covid is over, but i really need to get tested. and this is particularly happening in areas, unfortunately, where the which is exactly where we want to be testing more. >> reporter: the data is clear. states that have fully vaccinated more than half their residents are reporting fewer cases. but even those bright spots are surrounded by a sea of red. at least 46 states now seeing a rise in new cases over the past week. >> we have a solution to this, for this, and the solution is vaccinations. >> reporter: as more states work to ban vaccine requirements or proof of vaccination, at least seven passing legislation aimed at public schools. >> when states make that move, they get in the way of good and
effective public health. >> reporter: in tennessee 14 to 17-year-olds don't need parental consent for medical care, including vaccines. the state medical director shared a memo laying out that policy and says it resulted in her being fired. >> i've not done anything wrong except inform our physicians of where the guidelines were. ab round vaccinating minors. the people of tennessee have been sold out for politics. >> reporter: the tennessee department of health told cnn it can't comment on personnel matters. erica hill, cnn, new york. >> all right, erica, thank you so much. we'll be right back. isn't justa walk up the stairs. when you have an irregular heartbeat, it's more. it's dignity. the freedom to go where you want, knowing your doctor can watch over your heart. ♪
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