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not over. >> they'll be back. they may just be back with a different name. >> different name, just as dangerous. good to see you, david. thank you so much. >> thank you. >> great reporting as always. thank you all so much for joining us. "inside politics" with john king starts right now. ♪ hello and welcome to "inside politics." i'm john king in washington. testing time for the biden agenda and democratic unity. senators make a deal on a $3.5 trillion in new spending. this hour, president biden heads to capitol hill to begin a giant sales challenge. >> this budget resolution will allow us to pass the most significant legislation to expand support and help american families since the new deal. plus, a new and exclusive
cnn interview. republican congresswoman liz cheney goes on the record about her role on the insurrection committee and sends a message to kevin mccarthy. and new covid cases are up in 46 states. the young and the unvaccinated filling up hospital wings. where the virus is spiking overlaps with where vaccinations are low. we begin here today, with the president and what you might call the goldilocks challenge that will define his first year. the president will visit capitol hill to celebrate a new agreement among senate democrats on a budget resolution with $3.5 trillion in new spending. it keeps the core of the biden and the democratic agenda, but the $3.5 trillion price tag is too big for some moderates, way too small for many liberals. so for a president whose party has no votes to spare in the senate and only a handful extra in the house, today begins the effort to sell $3.5 trillion as
just right. let's get to capitol and manu raju. the president will be there momentarily? >> reporter: yeah. he does have that sales job trying to keep his democratic caucus in line. there are lots of different views about how to move forward, and there are two different proposals they have to get together and a lot of details to draft to get those proposals and get the votes in line. negotiations are still ongoing. can they get a deal that would get ten republicans and all 50 democrats on board? that is still a very open question at this point. then there's a big larger democratic bill, $3.5 trillion that could deal with much of joe biden's domestic agenda, expand medicare, do a lot of things folks on the left have been pushing for some time. to get that bill through, they have all 50 democrats on board. right now that's still an open question. speaking to moderates today, they told me they are open to the idea of spending that much
money, but they made clear they need to see the details. >> 2 trillion was probably the max you could go. are you open to the idea of going to 3.5 trillion? >> i'm open to looking at everything they provided. >> that's a big amount. we've just got to figure out how it's being spent and figure out how it's being applied, figure out how it's going to be paid for and then make the assessment then. >> >> reporter: those two democratic senators, jon tester and joe manchin, both indicates an openness to the idea of expanding medicare as part of this proposal. it's positive for democrats, but so many details need to be sorted out. they have to draft the legislation and then these members have to agree to vote for it. a lot of hurdles ahead, but this is when the salesmanship begins.
>> with me in studio to share their reporting, cnn's melanie zanona. first visit to capitol hill to meet officially with members of his own party. the president needs to thread that needle. you just saw joe manchin and jon tester, the moderates among the democrats, the president has to tell them you need to go a little higher. then he has the problem with others who say no, 3.5 trillion. what is the biggest test? >> to do a sufficient enough sales job to keep all of the democratic caucus open and on board to considering the agenda that has been crafted so far. like you mentioned, you have some of the more conservative, deficit-minded senators who are not easy with the $3.5 trillion figure even though they have indicated an openness to at least considering that.
then you have to contend with people on the left who say that figure was not going to be enough. we wanted 6 trillion plus to go really broad to reform the government social safety net. the reporting shows in the senate it's not going to be an issue on the left, but it certainly will bubble up in the house. while president biden is trying to keep 50 democratic senators on board with the 3.5 trillion, he's also going to have to do a sales job on that bipartisan infrastructure framework. he's going to be talking with governors and mayors this afternoon. the bipartisan has a key deadline of tomorrow to resolve all the outstanding issues. joe biden is doing a salesman pitch on multiple fronts this afternoon. >> one asset he has at his does posal is senator sanders, a former campaign rival. he said just days ago 3.5 trillion would be too small. but he's the budget committee
chairman. he told manu raju this is a good deal. >> this is the most consequential program in the modern history of this country. it could impact millions of working class people. very proud of what we've accomplished. thank you. >> how important is bernie sanders to house progressives? here's pramila jayapal on twitter saying we need to go big and bold, acting on climate change and creating a road map to citizenship. let's get this done. that does not specific endorse the deal, but it doesn't attack it. >> right. there's going to be a lot of hemming and hawing on both sides. bernie sanders is a very important voice for progressives. he also got a deal on the medicare expansion. that's likely going to be in the deal as well. the reality is this is probably the last legislative train
leaving the station other than those must-pass spending bills congress will have to do. that makes it harder and easier. harder because everyone is going to be jockeying to get their priorities included. >> we're going to focus on every little detail because they're important. this is the first year biden agenda on the line right now. when he goes to capitol hill to sell this, that's part of it, that no one's getting everything they want. >> but to your point, when he goes on the hill today, it's important to step back and remember politically he did run for president on big government spending programs. his task today when he gets to the hill is to remind democrats and in some instances perhaps persuade democrats this is what i said i was going to do and try
to convince them challenging him is not an option. a lot of democrats will say perhaps joe biden won the presidency a lot more because of who he's not than what he was saying. so i think him accomplishing that task, this bill is going to rise and fall on that. >> there was not a lot of negotiating and governing during the trump presidency. this is just the go it alone plan. medicare and obamacare expansion, paid leave program, expanded child tax credit, clean energy tax breaks, two years free community college. that would be the roots of a wide-ranging democratic agenda. >> this is a once in a generation spending proposal. $3.5 trillion.
what other president has ever seen that kind of spending program? most important, let's deliver. democrats want to prove they can govern and deliver the goods for americans writ large. we know that republicans have an interest in gumming up the works and creating chaos and saying, as they did during the obama era, that democrats are unable to govern. that goes to where bernie sanders is. that was the senate budget committee chairman talking. that was not the presidential candidate talking. people forget bernie is pragmatic on a lot of things. you look at his bipartisan on veterans' issues to bernie sanders as mayor of burlington, the guy with the police union endorsement, the guy who made compromises on urban development. he wants to deliver. >> and has a friendship with president biden from their senate days. you mentioned the other piece of it, which is this is a democratic go it alone.
however, it is connected to the separate bipartisan infrastructure bill, which one can collapse the other. lisa murkowski came out of one of the meetings on the bipartisan group quite optimistic. others are more skeptical. you've seen some i would say under pressure from their leader senator mcconnell to say let's not give joe biden this. but if you add it up, the infrastructure framework, the bipartisan, $600 billion. then this resolution, $4.1 trillion in spending. the question is when the republicans who are right now part of the bipartisan plan see the 3.5 trillion, will they say, okay, it's not 6? or will they get pressure to walk away? >> the people who have been actively involved, i don't think the big reconciliation number turns them off. for so many of them, they're either pragmatic deal makers,
but for the second tier republicans to make a truly bipartisan deal, a lot of these issues matter. senate minority whip john thune indicated this morning that having this major big massive budget reconciliation number does kind of turn off republicans as well. republicans are also turned off about some of the paid fors put forward by the bipartisan group and whether they're real or not. joe biden will certainly be in his element among senate democrats this afternoon. >> you were telling me before we went on air they have him scheduled to be there about 30 minutes. raise your hand if anyone thinks that's a remote possibility? >> tomorrow maybe. >> we'll track the president when he gets to capitol hill. president joe biden joins our don lemon for an exclusive cnn presidential town hall one week
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the covid numbers are heading in the wrong direction again. new cases are up. hospitalizations too. one new twist, many of these new patients are younger than in previous covid spikes. let's walk through some of the numbers. this is just a dismal look at this map, 46 states red and orange. that means more new covid infections than a week ago. many of these states are starting from a lower baseline, but heading in the wrong direction. from a case trend line, cases
are up 75% from last week, 13,600 plus new infections, a week ago 24,000 on tuesday. that's a lower number than we went through in the winter surge, but that is the wrong trend line. the delta variant is responsible for more and more cases across the country. about half of the country more and more as you go. the delta variant taking root everywhere, driving the case spike. this is the cdc's map about community transmission right now. you want to be blue on this map. yellow is not bad. orange and red, you see way too much of it especially here in the center of the country, down here as you go through florida. let's start in florida. doctors in a miami-dade hospital now say they're treating twice as many coronavirus patients than they were earlier this month and they're seeing more cases in 30 and 40-year-olds than in older patients.
laila santiago is live. 47% fully vaccinated in florida, but now averaging more than 3300 new cases a day. tell us what you're learning. >> reporter: i'll explain the dynamic to you as one epidemiologist just did to cnn. she said you're seeing the rates double, the number of covid cases double and the positivity rates also double while you're seeing the number of vaccinations continue to decline. so that dynamic, that mix of factors really doesn't play well. i want you to listen to what the chief medical officer here at jackson health system said to us. >> the biggest thing we're noticing is that the people who are being hospitalized are those who are unvaccinated. we think that's come with a lot of the unmasking in that everyone is unmasking, even though who are still at risk. >> reporter: so that the part of the problem, is that a lot of
the concern right now is not only in the younger population, but also the unvaccinated. i spoke to one infectious disease expert who works with the w.h.o. as well as collaborates with cdc. she was saying that they have a lot of unvaccinated people that are following cdc guidelines, but for vaccinated individuals. meantime, the governor here saying he doesn't have any plans to have any lockdowns in the future. >> you see the trend lines heading in the wrong direction. florida cases up 135% in june. in missouri, the surge of cases so high the u.s. government providing a search team to provide public health support. the cox health system began transferring patients infected with the virus to other facilities in hopes of providing better staffing. with us is dr. howard jarvis, emergency department medical
director at cox medical in springfield, missouri. i want to shift my screen to these missouri trends. 40% of the state is fully vaccinate vaccinated, but the average daily case rate is more than three times the national average. what is driving the surge in missouri right now? >> i think the biggest thing driving the surge in missouri is the lack of vaccinations combined with the delta variant. so for whatever reason, we really have the delta variant that is the dominant strain in our part of missouri. so when you combine that more transmissible strain with a population that has a lower vaccination rate, it's really inef tinevitable that your numbers are going to go up. >> in florida, doctors saying the surge this time has a
younger face, if you will. are you seeing the same thing there? >> absolutely the same thing. when you go back in the winter, we were dealing with predominantly older population of patients we were seeing and having to hospitalize. we're seeing many more younger patients, 20s, 30s, 40s, early 50s. it's clearly a much younger group we're seeing now. >> i want to put the cdc map back up here. your state is just a blur of red, which is the high transmission right now. we've be at this for 15 months. take me inside the emergency room in terms of the stress and the strain and how busy it is and a question we used to ask months ago in terms of ppe, are you okay on that front? >> as far as supplies, we're in
great shape. we have been pretty proactive even early on before we were seeing this more than a year ago as far as procuring sufficient ppe. so from a supply side, we're in pretty good shape. one of the problems is from a staffing side, we're not as good as we were back in the height of the pandemic when we had a lot of additional staff augmenting us from around the country, you know, nurses, respiratory therapists that would travel here to provide us some additional staff. we're ramping back up. when you look at where we were in early may, for example, early to mid may, we had 15 patients roughly in the hospital sick enough to be in the hospital for covid. you know, we're now well up over 100 currently in the hospital. we've just had this really large spike in a very short period of
time. we're transitioning. we're doing what we can, but it's a difficult situation to be in. quite frankly, i think it's a situation that other parts of the country are going to be in if they are not well vaccinated, just because this new strain really seems to be more transmissible and the illness seems to be faster and more people seem to be requiring hospitalization. >> let me follow up quickly on that point. i'm not a doctor or a scientist. if i hear what you just described and i look at this map where missouri is almost all red and you say watch out, everybody, this could come to you. are you seeing any evidence there that the vaccination rate, that people who have been hesitant are now saying we've got a problem, let's get vaccinated? or are people just locked in if they're not getting one? >> i think we're starting to see some movement on that.
you have, of course, the early adopters that have already been vaccinated, and then you have the fact that really rates around the country were declining in the spring and i think younger and healthier people were thinking we're doing better, maybe we don't need to get vaccinated. i think the message is getting out there to some degree now that we have this new variant that is really transmissible and people are getting really sick. i think that message has gotten out. quite honestly, we've had some people that are influential in the community outside of health care even that are speaking up a little more and earn couraging people to get vaccinated. so we've had churches, for example, that might not have been actively encouraging people to get vaccinated doing so. so i think there's definitely an upward trend in vaccinations. we've got a long way to go, quite honestly.
i think at least that part seems to be moving in the right direction. >> i certainly hope you're right. we will watch the numbers. dr. jarvis, thank you for your time today and what you're doing every day to try to keep the people in missouri safe. appreciate it very much. >> thank you. up next, an exclusive cnn interview with liz cheney. how she views her role on that january 6th insurrection committee and her strong message for the house republican leader kevin mccarthy. of everything you've been through. that's why dove renews your skin's ceramides and strengthens it against dryness for softer, smoother skin you can lovingly embrace. renew the love for your skin with dove body wash. keeping your oysters business growing has you swamped. you need to hire.
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liz cheney has some tough new words for donald trump and for the house republican leader kevin mccarthy as mccarthy now mulls filling the gop seats on the select committee investigating the january 6th insurrection. congresswoman cheney spoke exclusively with us. in her view, any republicans still questioning the 2020 election results are not fit for this committee. she said it's important we have members committed to upholding the rule of law and committed to their oaths to the constitution and i would certainly hope that the minority leader will be guided by that as he makes his choices. cheney is a conservative republican, but she was given a seat on that select committee by nancy pelosi. her decision to say yes, cheney says, was an embrace of the mission, not of the democrats. these, again, her words.
when you have a situation that's as dangerous as this was and a situation where president trump continues to use the same language, continues to make the same claims that he knows sparked violence, i think we have a duty to not make a political calculation. the panel is back with us. the last part is important to everybody listening, no matter who you supported for president. donald trump keeps saying these things. we'd be having a different conversation if it was in the past. it would still be a major deal, but it's more of a major deal because he keeps saying that. her message to mccarthy essentially, don't put trumpers on this committee. >> it is still very interesting to hear her issue this warning to the republican leader and say, you should not be putting any republicans who either are still challenging the legitimacy of the election results or who are still whitewashing january
6th. that applies to a very wide swath of her house gop colleagues. so mccarthy definitely has a choice to make. he probably will be making a decision soon because they're going to have a hearing as soon as next week. strong words from liz cheney, clearly saying she's not backing down and she's willing to call out the partisanship wherever she sees it. >> it's been almost two weeks now. kevin mccarthy has not named his members. will he? listen. >> i haven't made a decision yet even to appoint. i'm discussing it with my members. this is the least bipartisan committee you can find. think about the structure. it's not an equal number of republicans or democrats. she an pointed adam schiff and raskin. this is an impeachment committee. only democrats have subpoena power. the speaker has control over anyone who is appointed. >> the speaker doesn't have control over anyone who's
appointed. thursday he drops the impeachment committee in. he's under a lot of pressure. donald trump does not want this committee to succeed. i take that as "my kevin" as donald trump is fond of calling him, is maybe looking for a way out if he does not appoint. >> there's clearly a strategy or a possibility that he would do that as he signalled on those fox news interviews. also, how i read those kevin mccarthy comments is him systemically building his case for his own purposes that this committee is not a legitimate one, is not going to be doing a serious investigation. what's so ironic is when he complained about this committee not having equal representation of democratic and republican members, he had that option. the house voted on a split, equal numbers democrat and republican and other concessions
that pelosi gave to republicans that one of his own members actually negotiated and he didn't take that option. this is a scenario he finds himself in where he's constantly going to have to be playing defense for republicans. >> the person who was negotiating was congressman on the republican side. it's interesting in your interview laze cheney said she's been impressed with chairman thompson. she also says i will absolutely stand for the truth and reject partisanship wherever it comes in. if i'm speaker pelosi reading that interview, i'm thinking, okay, i did the right thing. but there's a risk here. >> for sure. when you step back and think about it politically if you're kevin mccarthy and you're looking at the preponderance of the evidence, it's not liz cheney. when it comes to how he approaches donald trump, it makes sense there's a fissure
there. >> one of the questions is liz cheney is going to face a tough primary. it's hurt her among her house republican friends and the trump part of the party, which is sizable and vocal. from a financial standpoint, it has not hurt her. there's still a giant question mark about the future of liz cheney. >> sure. she's going to face challenges by people who are supported by donald trump. she's going to face -- i was talking to somebody earlier today about whether she could pull outff a murkowski, a senat who can get elected in a write-in campaign, but in a state that donald trump won so convincingly. does that money outweigh the
former president and the hostility from the republican base? my gut says no. >> the 2001 thing she has going for her is that the primary field is so packed right now that she might be able to overcome this. the question is if and when donald trump endorses someone, do other people get out and what impact does that have. >> the donald trump role is a fascinating question. the up next, florida's covid cases are on the rise again. don't expect florida's governor to turn to washington for advice. he's raising campaign funds now by attacking dr. anthony fauci.
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♪ ♪ florida is quite an interesting test in the latest chapter of covid policy meets covid politics. you can see right here new covid infections are rising in florida and more than double the national average. governor desantis made clear long ago he is no fan of covid restrictions and no fan of dr. anthony fauci. it is a policy dispute, in fact, that desantis sees as a political cash cow. don't fauci my florida is now a slogan for desantis campaign merchandise including t-shirts. you see them right there. our panel is back to discuss. everything is fair in love and war and politics.
is it risky for ron desantis in florida to be so anti-fauci and trying to make money off of anti-fauci at the time. maybe when they made these, the case count wasn't doing what it's doing. >> it's certainly risky. as we've seen with the numbers with questions about how potent the delta variant is, things are okay for now, but we don't know what's going to happen in the coming months. you see republican political officials, especially those who have 2024 ambitions, clearly have seen this as for better or for worse something that motivated their base. you see one example that i found fascinating in recent days was how south dakota governor spoke about her ability to keep south dakota open despite the high infection levels in her state. it's clearly going to be an issue several years down the line. >> he gets it.
here's a tweet from last month. florida just hosted the largest concert since the pandemic began because florida chose freedom over fauci-ism. clever. 87% of democrats approve of fauci. 35% of republicans trust fauci. it clearly works in a republican primary. is there a risk that then the general electorate says excuse me? >> certainly. i do think it's important to realize that -- i go back to the cpac conference earlier this year when ron desantis and the way that he ran florida was the model all republicans were praising, the fact they could have an indoor event. also people just see the hotel people come out and beg people to put their masks on and the room boo them off the stage. it's definitely something that motivates a lot of republican voters. >> just as we have the conversation, i want to show you a live picture of the white house briefing room.
the white house promises to start doing a better job countering misinformation. we get jen psaki. let's show some headlines of recent months too because desantis is not allow in trying to make fauci a rallying point. ted cruz says time for fauci to go. marjorie taylor green offers bills to fire fauci. rand paul, little dictator fauci. it's the same slice of people in the republican party, forget science, let's make politics. >> everything we were just talking about underscores what the bind white house is up against as they try to get the last remaining population vaccinated, because it is coming to the point where it's falling along party lines. people are so entrenched in the
politics. how do they reach those republicans that are not getting vaccinated? fighting disinformation is one thing. they're also trying to reach younger populations who are more likely to go out and spread. you saw olivia rodrigo at the white house. >> up next for us, a very important global cyber mystery. notorious russian hacking gang vanished from the internet.
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revil, the russia-based ransomware group is now offline. how and why that happened is a mystery. perhaps some members of congress could get some clues today when they're briefed on cyber security and ransomware issues by biden administration experts. let's check in with cnn's alex marquardt. >> reporter: there are two briefings tonight from top biden administration officials generally about ransomware. it is not we believe linked to the disappearance of revil, but this is quite the mystery. it's still not clear why revil has all of a sudden disappeared.
the sites where they negotiate and collect payment have simply gone dark. did the u.s. mount an operation against them. the biden administration is not saying. did the kremlin pressure them to shut down operations? the kremlin has said they don't have any knowledge of why revil simply disappeared. it is possible that revil themselves shut down their own operations, that things got too hot for them after those twin attacks against jbs foods as well as the recent attack. there is a good chance this group is simply disbanding for now, but will come back later in a different form and possibly under a different name. >> it's a fascinating mystery. maybe we'll get some answers as we know. up next for us, help wanted. the white house still need to fill some very critical senior positions. what's the holdup? le. start youy with secret. secret stops odor- causing sweat 3x more.
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were at this point in terms of putting nominations forward and getting people approved. there are still these critical roles left open. there's a number of factors. one, weak candidates, candidates who can't get approved by the senate and, two, the senate itself. we're seeing a 50/50 split which makes it much more difficult to get people through the senate. experts say this kind of dha could pose health and national security risks. you're seeing an increased pressure on the biden administration and the senate to get these nominations passed. i got to note the senate is sitting on an enormous number of these nominations. when they came back from their fourth of july break, 200 nominations were slated to still go through that confirmation process. >> the president is up there in just a few minutes. that might come up. just moments ago the pop star olivia rodrigo took to the
podium at the white house to share an important message about youth vaccinations. >> it's important to have conversations with friends and family members encouraging all communities to get vaccinated and actually get to a vaccination site. the former president george w. bush says the biden decision to withdraw troops from afghanistan is, in his view, a mistake. he told a german news outlet that pulling american troops will have, quote, unbelievably bad consequences, especially for afghan women and girls. he highlighted the dangers facing local interpreters who worked alongside troops in afghanistan. the biden administration is working an initiative to help them. huge fund-raising numbers for house republicans this quarter. $45 million for just the second quarter of this year. that's 9 million more than their
democratic counterparts. the house minority leader kevin mccarthy also reported a huge fund-raising haul this quarter, raising 1$16.5 million. politics could impact the nation's credit rating. the report also put it out that former president trump's refusal to concede the 2020 election has contributed to a decline in confidence in governance. a quick programming note, the conflict in jerusalem has been centuries in the making. a new cnn series takes you back to "jerusalem, city of faith and fury" premiering sunday night at 10:00 p.m. thanks for spending your time with us today. ana cabrera picks up our coverage right now. have a good day. ♪
♪ hello. i'm ana cabrera in new york. america's attempt to come back hitting a major setback. a new cdc forecast is projecting hospitalizations from covid will likely jump over the next four weeks. until now, we have seen weeks of declines. vaccination rates also declining. so is the age of covid patients. unvaccinated americans now driving up cases in 46 states, and in a state with the lowest vaccination rate, mississippi, seven kids are now fighting covid in intensive care units, two of them on ventilators. vaccinatie ing as many americans possible is key to this pandemic. divisions seem to be overshadowing that. one state eliminating outreach