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available to anyone contemplating suicide through the national suicide prevention lifeline. the number, there you see it, 800-273-8255 or text home to 741741. "erin burnett outfront" starts right now. "outfront" next the breaking news, new york governor andrew cuomo should resign after a damming report revealing a pattern of sexual harassment but tonight, the governor defiant and the president just announcing a new eviction moratorium until october and we'll talk to the single l mothem -- mother of three about to lose her apartment and corey bush that protested by sleeping on the steps of the capitol and widely credited with getting the white house to tonight. also tonight, dr. anthony f fauci joins me after confusing
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guidance about parents wearing masks around their children. good evening. i'm erin burnett. tonight the breaking news, resign. president biden telling andrew cuomo of new york a long time friend and ally to step down after an investigation by the state attorney general found cuomo engaged in a pattern of sexual harassment against 11 women violating state and federal law. >> back in march you said if the investigation confirmed the allegations against governor cuomo he should resign so will you call on him to resign given the investigators said the 11 women were credible? >> i stand by that statement. >> are you now calling on him to resign? >> yes. >> and if he doesn't resign, do you believe he should be impeached and removed from office? >> let's take one thing at a time here. i think he should resign. >> making it clear, i think he should resign says president biden. his call adding major pressure
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on cuomo tonight. cuomo facing pressure growing calls today from his fellow democrats to resign including house speaker nancy pelosi. majority leader chuck schumer and virtually the entire new york congressional delegation. all of them now calling on him to step aside. the attorney general's report was clear, that on repeated instances cuomo sexually harassed women including running the palm of his left hand across the stomach of a state trooper assigned to protect him. she said made her feel quote completely violated. touching and grabbing the private parts of an executive assistant and making sexually suggestive comments to multiple women. all of that found to have occurred. tonight, governor cuomo defiant slamming the investigation and its findings. >> the facts are much different than what has been portrayed. i want you to know directly from me that i never touched anyone
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inappropriately or made inappropriate sexual advances. bias and politics are interwoven in this situation. one would be naive to think otherwise and new yorkers are not naive. >> so cuomo even went so far to show a gallery of pictures of himself to counter a "new york times" story that showed him touching and kissing a woman at a wedding to show that quote, i want to make sure you understand i'm quoting the governor of new york here, i do it with everyone. >> i do it with everyone, black and white, young and old, straight and lgbtq, powerful
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people, friends, strangers, people who i meet on the street. after the event the woman told the press that she took offense at the gesture, and for that, i apologize. another woman stated that i kissed her on the forehead at our christmas party and that i said cho bella. i don't remember doing it but i'm sure that i did. i do kiss people on the forehead. i do kiss people on the cheek. >> all right. let's just be clear here, that's completely tone deaf on one level. he's not being accused of being friendly and telling people cho bella when he gives them a kiss at a wedding. he's not. he knows that. he's being accused of inappropriately groping and inappropriately touching women including grabbing people's private parts.
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that's what he's accused of, not cho bella and that's not behavior he should quote do with everyone. kaitlan collins is "outfront" at the white house to begin our coverage tonight. caitlyn, when you asked your question of president biden, you know, he obviously knew that was going to come but he was clear, it's time for cuomo to resign. so from your reporting, what went into the president's decision and what happens because you then went there with your question about impeachment. what happens if cuomo doesn't do it? >> reporter: well, yeah, we knew president biden seen the coverage of this today and aware of the results of this investigation that came out just several hours before he was scheduled to speak to reporters because actually, when reporters saw him earlier in the day, he said he would answer questions on this later. yes, he was prepared for these questions on governor owecuomo. he said if this incest gages did confirm the accusations of these women and found them to be credible, which the investigators said it did, he
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would call on him to resign which he did today which is striking given the political alliance and what emanated from that. he did stop short of saying whether or not he believed he should be removed from office if he doesn't resign of course we saw governor cuomo come out on that video and did not sound like he was resigning and so that's a big question facing new yorkers, whether or not they will try to remove him from office that remains to be seen. what we do know is president biden has not read this report yet. he just said he knew the end results of the investigation and that's what went into his decision earlier today and erin, he said he's not spoken to governor cuomo today about this decision. it seems incredibly unlikely they would speak going forward now that he has called on him to resign, but this just came as this really cascade of a response from the white house where you're seeing white house aids like the press secretary jen psaki said they were listening today. you didn't see president biden use those words but as you showed the slide show of
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governor cuomo saying these were other embraces he had with people, president biden was also featured in that. the two of them with president biden's arms on his shoulder and i asked if he thinks that's in any way can be compared and he said he did not believe they could and he was one of the last high profile allies of governor cuomo to call on him to resign. >> certainly a long relationship and he waited until that report came out but stood by his word. thank you very much. here is the question you may have as you watch this, what else did the attorney general's investigation find? for that paula reid is "outfront". >> reporter: tonight, the new york attorney general's office says governor andrew cuomo sexually harassed multiple women and violated federal and state laws. >> the investigation found governor andrew cuomo actually harassed current and former new york state employees by engaging in unwelcome and non-consensual
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touching and making numerous offensive comments of a suggestive and sexual nature that created a hostile work environment for women. >> investigators concluded the governor sexually harassed 11 women including a new york state trooper assigned to his protection. >> in an elevator standing behind the trooper, he ran his finger from her neck down her spine and said hey you. another time she was standing holding the door open for the governor and as he passed, he took his open hand and ran it akr across her stomach from her belly button to the hip she keeps her gun. she told us she felt completely violated to have the governor touch her as she put it between her chest and her privates. >> reporter: another accuser describes similar inappropriate touching. >> on november 16th, 2020, in the executive mansion, the governor hugged executive
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assistant number one and reached under her blouse to grab her breast. there were also several occasions on which the governor grabbed her butt. >> reporter: the report states we also conclude the executive chamber's culture, one filled with fear and intimidation while at the same time normalizing the governor's frequent flirtations and gender based comments contributed to the conditions that allowed the sexual ha harassment to occur and persist. cuomo was quick to respond denying the allegations. >> i want you to know directly from me that i never touched anyone inappropriately or made inappropriate sexual advances. i am 63 years old. i lived my entire adult life in public view. that is just not who i am, and that's not who i have ever been. >> reporter: the allegations against youcuomo ramped up when
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former aid alleged cuomo asked her questions about her sex life during a june 2020 conversation in the state capitol. she also hinted at a pattern of retaliation. >> do you believe he was propositioning you? >> yes. >> for what? >> sex. >> he sexually harassed me. i am not confused. it is not confusing. i am living in reality, and it's sad to see he's not. >> reporter: tonight, bennett says cuomo must resign. y cuomo addressed bennett personally in his remarks today. >> i did ask her questions i don't normally ask people. i did ask her how she was doing and how she was feeling, but i was wrong. i have heard charlotte and her lawyer and i understand what they are saying. but they read into comments that i made and draw inferences that i never meant. >> reporter: investigators spoke with nearly 200 people in the
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course of this investigation, many within the governor's inner circle including his brother, cnn anchor chris cuomo. the new york attorney general is not referring cuomo for criminal prosecution but the district attorney in albany confirmed he is conducting a criminal investigation into cuomo's conduct and will be requesting mater elterials obtained by the attorney general and welcomes any victim to contact his office with additional information. erin? >> paula, thank you very much. one of the first to call for cuomo's investigation, criminal versus civil issue will be with me in a moment. i want to go to karen hinton, one of the women that accused governor cuomo of inappropriate conduct and mentioned in the attorney general's report which says and i quote of you, karen, karen hinton an associate of the governor from the time that the governor was secretary of housing and urban development spoken publicly and told us about an incident in december 2000 when the governor embraced her in a hotel room in a way
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that felt overly close and intimate. karen, thank you for coming on and speaking tonight. so now we have this report, attorney general's report finding that cuomo harassed 11 women, violated federal and state law. were you surprised when you heard this? do you feel vindicated tonight? >> i was surprised at the details in the report. i was certainly surprised about the state trooper and felt reall really badly about that whole situation but i'm not shocked because this is a man i've known for 25 years or more and this is the kind of behavior that he has shown me and other women throughout that time. and, you know, i've been in politics for 45 years or more and i've certainly seen sexual harassment in other situations even from the time i was a teenager until now.
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but andrew cuomo is the master of the art of this kind of behavior and it's something that shows his pattern of behavior over time. so in a way, no, i'm not that shocked. >> so, you know, he was defiant in defending his behavior and i played the sound byte when he said this is all sort of like kissing someone on the forehead at a wedding and saying cho bella. his quote is i do it with everyone and then he put pictures up and slowed down his cadence and said black and white, young and old, straight and lgbtq powerful people, friends and strangers. i do it with everyone. what was your reaction when you heard that defense from the governor today? >> i think it's a typical way that sexual, the men who are accused of sexual behavior often res
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respond. they try to blame the victim and take no responsibility for their own behavior, their own mistakes and this is something that is very true of andrew cuomo in the time that i've known him. he always never takes accountability for what he's done wrong and said wrong and for what he's done wrong and so this is just one more step in that direction and, you know, it really is time for this type of behavior to stop. >> so, you know, you talk about knowing him for 25 years. you know, today when he was speaking, he also said something when he was talking about complaints about hiss work environment being hostile. he turned the tables trying to make it about defending women and women who are accused. here he is. >> but now, a number of complaints target female managers, which smacks to me of a double standard. first, when have you ever seen
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male managers villainized for working long hours or holding people accountability or for being tough? a strong male manager is respected and rewarded. but a strong female manager is ridiculed and stereo typed. it is a double standard. it is sexist. and it must be challenged. >> comes out today as a champion of women managers unfairly accused of being too tough? i really want to see is not just for women to speak out, be tough, be a tough manager but for men to act right is just not that hard to treat women with respect and that's what is
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lacking here. he's not treating women with respect. he's not treating them as professionals and that's all these 11 women want is respect to be treated like a professional. and to not have -- be allowed to be consensual sexual overtures and an attorney general should not have to tell andrew cuomo that's wrong. he knows it's wrong. i think it's time and obvious from the details of the report and what people have said, people in powerful positions have said in the last four or five hours that the book on the queue cuomo era is coming to a close and he just needs to accept that and resign or he'll be impeached. >> all right. karen, thank you very much. appreciate your time and now i
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want to go to democratic congresswoman kathleen rice from new york pause she called on governor cuomo to resign back in march. in fact, she was the first new york democrat in congress to do so and you stepped up, congresswoman and did it and did it first. so tonight, governor cuomo says he's not going anywhere. how long do you think he can hold on given now that you've got almost your entire delegation on board, pelosi on board, president biden has now called on him to resign. can he hold on? >> well, i think if you talk about all of us near mortals, most people in that position would do the right thing and resign but the governor is living in his own world. for him to say the things that he did today and to be as defiant as he was, to victim blame, to gaslight america, to criticize people for krit
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sis -- criticizing female managers for being tough bosses, that's not why they're being criticized. the women in executive positions around him were rightly being criticized because they aided and abetted him in creating this hostile environment that allowed this sexual harassment to go on far too long. there are two take aways. the biggest take aways from the report is number one that the governor of the state of new york is a serial sexual abuser, harasser and the second take away is that he himself surrounded by people who helped him created such a hostile work environment that this was allowed to go on for sometime and that has just, that alone, those two things alone are enough of a reason for him to resign. >> well, i mean, it is amazing how long when they look how long this did go on. i want to ask you in your capacity as a new york district attorney. this was a civil investigation
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and not criminal perhaps yet, but from what you see here, do you think governor cuomo could be in criminal jeopardy? >> so as the attorney general stated there are two tracks this report can take by the relevant agencies that may be looking into these reports. the first is a civil right of action that i think all of the 11 victims could potentially have and the other path is a potentially criminal one that either the al bany district attorney could do. that will be for those individual agencies and those individual people to decide but this whole thing is never about is this going to turn into a crime. in very few instances, erin, you know this very well, other than the harvey weinsteins or the bill cosbys, very rarely are sexual abusers held to account
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in the criminal justice system. certainly people in positions of power like governor cuomo and that is why it's so important for every single new yorker to look at the report, read the report, commend every single victim who came forward in very difficult circumstances against an incredibly powerful and v vindictive man and tell the truth. it's important for people in my position to do the same. >> it's really important pause women can relate to the insidious demeaning of cause well sexual harassment and i'm not even -- perhaps i could be more eloquent in how i saw it but the cause well demeaning of sexual harassment, that touch and inappropriateness or makes you feel small or not valued because of being a woman. people can relate to that and it's unacceptable and now you have the governor, there is an impeachment investigation. i don't know if you heard
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kaitlan collins asked president biden who called on cuomo to resign if that impeachment, you know, moved forward, should he be removed? does he support that impeachment? where do you think this goes? how important is president biden's call to governor cuomo because they do go way back. >> they do go way back so i think that makes it significant in and of itself but remember president biden is the head of the democratic party in this country. the governor here might be the top democrat in this state but president biden is the top democrat in the country and that carries an enormous amount of weight. now, i don't know what the assembly is going to do. i hope, i hope for this state's sake and for the victim's sake that the governor will do the right thing, will have some amount of compassion for these women and concern for every single new yorker who is going through tough times right now
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trying to come out of the pandemic and do the right thing and step down. that's what he needs to do. but in the absence of that, i do hope that the assembly will take up the impeachment process, where that goes i do not not know but if governor cuomo is not going to act, he needs to be held accountable and it seems to me that the assembly, his legislature's, leg sislatures a the ones to do it. >> thank you congressman rice. appreciate your time. next, the desperate mother you met last night worried like most americans about the looming threat of eviction. >> there was a tv right here on top of this stand so i had to pawn that. >> could she and millions of others be saved by new eviction ban? she is my guest. president biden rips florida and texas for the growing covid case rates and leaders who still oppose masks. >> you're not going to help, at least get out of the way of the people trying to do the right
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breaking news the biden administration announcing a new 60-day federal eviction moratorium in areas with a high or substantial spread of coronavirus which is a welcome and desperately needed relief for millions of americans in fear of losing their home including the next guest, a mother of three young children that the casino she worked in closed after coronavirus and she fell behind on rent. here is a bit of her story we brought you last night: >> you guys freaked me out. i'm thinking they're coming at any moment. >> reporter: kelly pawned or sold everything she had. >> i had a bed right here. there was a tv on top of this stand so i had to pawn that. >> reporter: this is the girl's room. >> they used to have their bed right here and they used to have a little chest. >> reporter: not anymore.
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>> i'll sacrifice my couch. as you can see, it a little beat up so they don't have to sleep on the floor because they are so tiny. >> desperate to keep a roof over her daughter's heads and food on the table, she sold her plasma, sold her blood. trying to keep up with her bills. the good news for dasha kelly and her three children a go fund me page went from 0 to $40,000 and sits at a stunning $89,000 and "outfront" now dasha kelly joins me and goes by kelly. ke kelly, i'm so grateful to have you with me. what an incredible day. what an incredible day for you and those precious children. when you got the news today and there is so much to digest today, the news of the go fund me, the white house announcing moments ago that eviction moratorium in places like where you are in las vegas, i mean, what is your reaction when you hear this? >> i feel hopeful, that's for
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sure, you know, that there is someone out there that is believing in us still. you know, our precious president we are thankful he is allowing these eviction moratoriums, i'm sorry, moratoriums, excuse me, i'm not sure how you say that. >> that's okay. >> it's pretty good news. exciting. >> i'm just sitting here looking at your precious little kids. so i know yesterday look you were in desperate need of help. you shared with my colleague the heartbreaking details of what you and those three little girls are enduring and it resonated with people. people so far have donated $89,000 and i wanted to read a few of the messages that some of these people left for you, kelly and for your little girls. so one person gave $25. and said quote, i understand struggle. i don't have a lot but i have enough to help another. bless you and the adorable
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girls. and then someone else gave $20 and they wrote and i quote them, i saw your story and it brought a tear to my eye. when i saw the outpouring of love and support on your go fund me it brought more tears. god bless you and your beautiful family. i hope this grows so big you can buy your own american dream. it was people that didn't have much and someone gave you nearly $2,000 and said i'm sorry you had to fight so hard to keep your kids safe. you are an incredible mom. these are amazing things to hear, kelly. what do you say to them and others like them who reached out to you? >> i just want to tell everybody thank you -- sorry, excuse me, i just want to tell everybody thank you so much. i'm still in denial if you can't really tell. i it's a lot to take in. it's very -- sorry, girls. it's really overwhelming. these are tears of joy, trust
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me. i don't -- i'm just so thankful. i appreciate each and every one of you and i would especially like to thank, i don't know if i can but kim, the one that reached out to my family. i'm so thankful. we're so thankful for you guys because i had no idea what we were going to do and just overnight, just overnight all you guys just reached out and helped us and all the support and encouraging words. it's just gave me a lot of hope and i just want to make sure i do the best thing i can to help the next person that is in my same situation and i just feel really blessed and thank you guys so much, honestly. sorry. [crying] >> of course, kelly, of course. please stay with me, you and the girls because there is someone else i want to bring into this conversation. the woman frankly that many can thank for this new eviction
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mora moratorium. congratulations, so proud and happy. >> they're walking to the steps. >> that is, of course, the democratic congressman corey bush that spent days camping out on the capitol steps sleeping there to bring attention to the issue. congresswoman bush joins me now and congresswoman, wow to you. how does it feel to hear this? to hear this news of this moratorium tonight thanks to you? >> i am so -- i'm elated and i'm overwhelmed, you know, because just the thought that so many people right now, millions of people, you know, would not be forced out on the streets. i know we still have work to do,
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but just to know that this is something, this type offed a va -- advocacy could have saved me from ending up on the street and others and now that we have the opportunity to help because we're in position, you know, it's just -- i'm so thankful that families like kelly's family get to stay in their homes. it shouldn't have to come to this but i'm glad that we're here. >> so kelly, the congresswoman saw you last night on the show in the piece about you and your girls and she said about you and your children, i quote, you congresswoman we're working hard for you and i know what it's like to be their mommy. kelly, do you have anything to say to congresswoman bush tonight? >> yes, absolutely. it's an honor to even speak with you. i'm just so fortunate right now this is beyond me, you don't
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understand. when i -- when i put that up, i never thought anybody would have reached out especially cnn and then hearing a congressperson, my story reached you. this is so amazing. i'm so thankful there are people like you out there. i'm so thankful for it. thank you so much. i'm sorry. >> kelly, you and your family just know you and your family deserve representatives that care about you. we -- our country deserves to have representatives that represent and so this, this is the least that we co-do for you is to step up and make sure that you get to stay in the safety and comfort of your home while we work on other things to help make sure that your life and the lives of your children are better. this is our work so you don't even have to thank us, this is our work. this is the least we can do for you. >> kelly, i just am watching
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your daughter who is reaching out to pet you, i think, when you were a little emotional there. >> i that are the sweetest. >> so moved by it. they are beautiful. smart wonderful little girls. i was looking at them. congresswoman, can i ask you president biden did admit, you know, there is this wonderful news but that a new eviction plan might not hold up in court. here is exactly what he said. >> any call for a moratorium based on the supreme court recent decision is likely to face obstacles. the bulk of the constitutional scholarship says that it's not likely to pass constitutional muster. number one. >> congresswoman bush, what do you do from here? are you confident that this fix will hold? >> i'm confident that what we're going to do now which is what we're asking people, we're asking people in communities to
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go and volunteer to help to make sure this rental assistance, this $46.5 billion that's available with only $3 billion of it spent, that we help get these resources out to those who need it. that is -- so that's where the work is right now. getting these resources out. we got 60 days, let's make sure that people are able to apply, that we make that process seamless and that we get the money out to the landlords and to those where this money is supposed to go. and in the meantime, as congress, we have to move. there is so much more work to do so this is just the first step. i am confident that we are going to now shift gears into making sure this this money that the states and all these localities have is actually pushed out to the people. >> congresswoman, thank you so much. kelly, thank you so much. i'm so glad to meet you, although of usually, we are so
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f far away and happy for this news for you and your children. they can get back to being little kids. you got them to sit so perfectly for so long. thank you. >> beautiful. >> we should just let you know, kelly, the go fund me just went up to 97,000 while we were speaking. so thank you. >> i'm sorry? >> i was just saying that your go fund me is now at 97,000. >> the one that was at 89 a minute ago? [ laughter ] >> yes. >> is she -- yes, 97,000. >> this is crazy. i'm sorry. this is crazy. oh my god. she said just it's at $97,000 now. this is crazy. thank you guys so much. oh my god. >> you and your family are worth it. you and your family are worth it. you're worth it. you are worth having your needs
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met. >> mommy. >> just know just yet not having a clue just yesterday, this is crazy to me. this is crazy. >> community. community. community. >> oh my god. oh my god. there is so much support. this is crazy, you guys. thank you guys so much. >> thank you, kelly. i'm sorry. i'm okay, girls. i'm okay. >> what a difference. what a difference you can make as individual people, someone in congress for all of us to play such a small role in making a difference. for one family. thank you, kelly. >> i just feel bad because i know they want to see me happy and i keep crying. i have so many emotions right now. i don't know how i feel. i'm like in denial. i'm confused.
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i'm happy. i'm excited. i'm ecsecstatic. i'm confused. this is -- i'm sorry. this is crazy. i don't even know how to describe it. this is just crazy. >> okay. >> thank you. >> all right. thank you both. congresswoman bush, thank you very much. >> thank you. >> and obviously for that difference you made. well, next, dr. anthony fauci is going to join me, the director of the national i institute of health working back what spread alarm among parents today. >> parents of unvaccinated kids should be thoughtful about this and the recommendation to wear masks there, as well. >> what should parents do? dr. anthony fauci is "outfront" next and we're learning more about a fourth officer that defended the capitol on january 6th and died but suicide. a long-time partner of fallen
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tonight, president biden criticizing the republican governors of texas and florida for imposing anti masking orders amid a surge of coronavirus cases in their states and across the country. >> i say these governors please help but you're not going to help at least get out of the way of the people trying to do the right thing. use your power to save lives. >> biden also calling on state and local governments to follow new york city's lead by mandating vaccinations for employees and patrons at restaurants, at gyms and entertainment venues. "outfront" now dr. anthony fauci the nation's top infectious disease expert and the director of the national institute of allergy and infectious diseases. appreciate so much speaking with you again and i'll start of course with the cases that have been surging across the country. the president delivering that very tough message to republican governors who have imposed anti
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mask mandates. so i wanted you to just give us context if you could. you said today the surge would get worse before it gets better. how much worse, dr. fauci in terms of death? >> well, when you look at the modelling that people, there is always a worst case sekasckcasee and best case ser near owe and usually winds up in the middle. we're probably going to go over 100,000. i hope it doesn't go much higher than 100,000 but we want it to turn around quickly and come down. there is two ways to do that. you can do it immediately by wears macks in appropriate places like indoor settings and as you know, the recent cdc guidelines about doing that even if you are vaccinated. the other is to really accelerate the vaccination program. we're doing very well. i mean, when you look at the country as a whole, we've done
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very well. we have 60% of the country is fully vaccinated. we have 70% have received at least one dose of adults and the elderly are generally well protected about 80 plus % perce have been vaccinated. the only trouble is we have 93 million people in this country who are eligible for vaccination who have not gotten vaccinated and we've got to get to that group by whatever means possible be it trusted messengers or even pressure like we're seeing where you have local and enterprises doing some mandating the way new york is doing for example with restaurants and others. we leave it up to the local individuals and local leaders to do things to mitigate against this infection, which is a very formidable challenge we're having with this delta variant. >> it is incredible. the mandates will hopefully make a difference in terms of people
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returning to work and being forced to get vaccinated or else they can't go. i want to ask, dr. fauci, about breaking news that is literally crossing since you and i began our conversation. "the new york times" crossed a headline reporting the fda is looking to speed up the timetable of full approval of the pfizer vaccine. and they say the new goal is to complete the process by the start of next month. what more can you tell us about that? just to be clear, this would mean no emergency authorization, full approval, enable a lot more states to go ahead with mandates, maybe even the federal government. right? the impact could be very significant. is the timetable for full approval in weeks? >> well, that's what i'm hoping it is, erin. i do hope it going to be within the next couple of weeks. they said hopefully by the end of the month. i hope it's even sooner than that. there are many good reasons to get this done. they're doing their job. they're an independent agency doing their job and do a good
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job but when it does get full approval, there are a couple of things that will happen. i think there are certain proportion of people who are just waiting for that full approval. even though the data overwhelming right now that these vaccines are highly effective and are safe but some still want to wait for that final on the i'm particular products in question. it will allow independent local l e enterprises, universities, colleges, businesses that will feel comfortable when they say i'll mandate if you want to come to this school, if you want to work in this place, you've got to be vaccinated. i think we'll see much more of that when you have the backup of the full approval of this vaccine that we have. that's what i think is going to happen. >> so i mean, pretty significant headline as you're saying hopefully within a couple weeks. i hope that really sinks into people.
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it's a big change from the timeline sort of everyone had been led to think it could be months away. so i wanted to ask you about one other thing dr. fauci. the director of the nih was doing an interview with john berman and said to john berman, dr. collins did that parents should consider wearing masks at home to keep their kids under 12 who are not vaccinated safe. i just wanted to play what dr. collins specifically said first. >> parents of unvaccinated kids should be thoughtful about this and the recommendation is to wear masks there as well. i know that's uncomfortable. i know it seems weird but it is the best way to protect your kids. >> so dr. collins came out later and tweeted that he meant to say vaccinated parents and high risk communities should mask up in public indoor settings but not at home. this caused a lot of panic and confusion among parents, of course, d r. fauci.
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could you clear this up once and for all. what the director said was unequivocal and changed. so tell us the bottom line. >> it's very simple, erin. he misspoke. he's a personal of high integrity and he came out with a tweet and said i apologize. i misspoke. i got it wrong. parents do not need to wear masks in their own home. that is the right answer. dr. collins said he misspoke and i give him great credit for admitting it very, very quickly of saying that he misspoke. so parents should not be confused. you don't need to wear masks in your own home. >> and one thing on that note quickly before we go because parents under 12 do have a lot of concerns. i have three in that category. we have been told sort of by the winter you would maybe get the emergency authorization for under 12. if the full approval is accelerated to a couple weeks from now do you think that time
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frame changes for under 12 for eua? >> it might. whether you have an eua that goes to full approval might have an influence that goes on. it will be a regulatory decision, we're collecting the data right now for what we need to make that determination and would be a regulatory decision. >> all right. i understand. i appreciate your time as always dr. fauci, thank you. >> good to be with you, thank you for having me. >> all right. you, too. the senate unanimously rewarding the congressional gold medal today to the officers that defended the capitol against an angry mob of trump supporters on january 6th. >> those medals, when little kids walk by and see them at the smithsonian, their parents will be able to tell them this happened. this attack happened. >> and that's important because former president trump and his followers and congress continue to try to say that this didn't
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happen and didn't all see with our own eyes the violent mob attack on the capitol that injured 140 officers and a bunch of tourists. tonight, we're learning of another tragedy linked to that day. a fourth police officer who responded to the capitol on january 6th has now diedkyle fr department since november 2016. and this news of another suicide coming shortly after we learned about the suicide of officer gunter hashida, who joined the metropolitan police department in 2003. also d.c. police officer jeffrey smith who was a 12-year veteran of the force and u.s. capitol police officer howard liebengood who was a 16-year capitol police veteran all now have died from suicide. up front now sandra garza, the long time partner of partner brian sicknick who was attacked by protesters outside the capitol on january 6th and later died.
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so, sandra, there are four officers now who have died by suicide. four. i struggle to comprehend this. it is so awful. and i know you have been in contact with the wife of one of these officers that we have found out about. how can you explain what has happened? >> well, first, i want to say my heart goes out to the pentagon police officers' family. it's a tragedy what happened today. and, yes, you're right. this is horrible. clearly, we are facing an epidemic here. this is something that the majority of republicans can no longer deny. the insurrection was brutal. it was callous. it was demoralizing. and every day that they continue to minimize or outright deny that anything happened, sadly, you know, morale is going to go further and further in the toilet, and these officers are clearly hurting and suffering to
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feel such desperation to take their lives. it's just horrible. >> so, the clinical assistant professor of psychiatry, dr. cohen, talked with us earlier today and he said something, sandra, that i thought was important. he said for every officer who commits suicide there are likely dozens who have symptoms and are suffering. the officers who committed suicide are the canary in the coal mine. obviously, you have a deep personal connection to this story with your great personal loss. but you are also a licensed clinical social worker. you have spoken to so many people who have suffered like you have since this tragedy. tell me how you see it and how worried you are. >> well, i'm very worried. i think they need to really do something. i don't know how metropolitan, d.c. metropolitan police, their mental health services work, but
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clearly whatever they have now in place is not enough. i mean, you have three of them that have committed suicide. this is just absolutely terrible. and i would say to any officer or any family member out there who is struggling with any kind of suicidal thoughts or wanting to engage in self-harm in any way, please reach out to the national suicide hotline. you can also text the crisis line at 741741 and ask for help. the thing is, is in this culture, in the law enforcement culture, it's like the military culture, i was in the military as well, and i'm familiar with this suck it up kind of mentality. they are not allowed to be vulnerable and show emotions. on top of that you have half of the nation's leaders basically invalidating this terrible experience that they suffered on january 6th. it's got to stop. it's got to stop.
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>> all right. sandra, i appreciate you. thank you. >> thank you, erin. and next, ohio, the polls have just closed there. it is a significant night for politics. is donald trump taking a huge political risk with the candidate he endorsed? we'll be right back. one, two! one, two, three! only pay for what you need! with customized car insurance from liberty mutual! nothing rhymes with liberty mutual. only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪
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emergency planning for kids. we can't predict when an emergency will happen. so that's why it's important to make a plan with your parents. here are a few tips to stay safe. know how to get in touch with your family.
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write down phone numbers for your parents, siblings and neighbors. pick a place to meet your family if you are not together and can't go home. remind your parents to pack an emergency supply kit. making a plan might feel like homework, but it will help you and your family stay safe during an emergency. breaking news. polls closing moments ago in two closely watched primaries in ohio. one testing trump's power and influence and another threatening to tear the democratic party apart. our political commentator, van, this amazing. is a fascinating race. ohio's 11th district on the democratic side pitting establishment democrat shontell proun against bernie sanders and
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other top progressives who support turner. let me play, so everyone understands, what's going on in this race. >>. >> i would consider a puppet someone that's been on the national stage delivering ca catchphrases like, hello, somebody, i am a partner who knows what it takes to sit at the negotiating table to get things done. >> i mean, this is incredibly vitriolic and vicious on the democratic side. they already have control of the white house and both chambers of commerce and you have this intense clash going on. how come? >> because, you know, we have two wings of the party, and we actually have two very strong candidates representing those two wings very well. i do know anita turner very well. she is a progressive. she is quite pragmatic. she has a voting record that i think most people on both sides of the party would appreciate.
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the heart and soul of the democratic party is it more biden, more moderation, more, you know, trying to find the common ground or passion and trying to putt the working clas first? this is a moment where the country can look at one race where two strong candidates from both wings of the party are going head-to-head. >> so that's the democratic side. now give us context on the republican. former president trump facing a test of his influence with suburban voters in this race. he has endorsed mike carey, a coal lobbyist, among key republicans looking to replace steve stivers. how bad would a loss be in ohio for trump? >> i think it would be pretty bad from the op six point of view. usually trump wins. that's just reality. you g got 100 cases where the trump endorsement person wins. he just lost one recently.
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he loses another one, maybe people are saying, hey, maybe this guy is not invincible. the math would say a couple hundred to two, but the realty is politically the momentum would be shifting away. >> so what do we read into it? turnout could be low. sometimes you reading is into something that isn't really true because so few people are participating. what does it mean? >> it's just -- it gives bragging rights. if trump's people pull it out, it gives them bragging rights. if trump gets a setback, it gives the people who want the party going the other way bragging rights. if nina turner wins she is well known and was a great lawmaker at the time f she loses it's because a bunch of democrats that everybody jumped in to stop her. it will give people bragging rights. it says nothing about what's going to happen in a year. it gives a sense of which side this summer is stronger. >> all right.
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well, bragging rights, you know, for individuals matter a whole lot. hey, van, appreciate you. thank you so much. >> thank you. all right. and thanks to all of you for joining us tonight. don't forget you can watch us at cnn go. meantime, ac 360 starts right now. repulsive and unlawful behavior by the governor. john berman in for anderson. those words game at governor andrew cuomo. they don't come from an unfriendly newspaper common, one of the 11 women accusing him of sexual harassment. no, those are from kathy hochul, his lieutenant governor. and they are not even the most damaging and problematic for cuomo tonight. not by a long shot. those could be found in the new york attorney general's damning 165-page report released today detailing a pattern of sexual harassment and intimidation by