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needing to trust the taliban to get americans and allies out of afghanistan. how did we get here? "the load" "the lead" starts right now. the taliban clashing with protesters and crushing the opposition, the same taliban the u.s. is working with to try to get evacuees to the airport. we're live in kabul. the battle over masks is escalating in the united states and booster shots going into arms but still so many unanswered questions so dr. anthony fauci will join us
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to answer them live. plus, a standoff with police. a suspect outside the u.s. capitol today claiming to have a bomb. what led him to it? what is his motivation in the breaking details ahead. ♪ welcome to "the lead." i'm jake tapper, and we're going to start with our world lead. the rush to evacuate americans and afghan allies out of kabul. this afternoon the u.s. state department announced 6,000 people are inside the kabul airport right now. all we're told, all of them are fully cleared and will soon fly out of the country. 20 flights are expected to leave cat bull airport tonight, but there are still massive issues for too many others. sources telling cnn the state department advised thousands of local employees to head to the airport yesterday but many simply could not get there, caught in the crowd of thousands waiting outside the gates, they were beat, stopped at
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checkpoints. president biden has pledged that u.s. forces will remain in afghanistan until all americans are evacuated, even if that means keeping u.s. troops on the ground past the august 31st withdrawal deadline, but the president stopped short of making that commitment to the thousands of a gan allies who risked their lives to help the u.s. forces. >> there are reports that 12 people have been killed around the kabul airport the last couple of days. how quickly is the situation on the ground deteriorating? >> reporter: well, it continues to be really bad, jake, and it's not getting any better, and that's the worry. the hope was that perhaps the u.s. would have some kind of a plan in place or would be able through these negotiations with the taliban to try to streamline or improve the process, but that's not what we're seeing at all. i've been speaking to people all day who have been at the airport trying to get into the airport. we're seeing these biblical scenes still, crowds of thousands lined up, pushing to try to get inside the airport,
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and basically unless you're american or one of the sort of partner in nato cup truckers you can't get in. i have managed to track down one afghan who was a translator for the u.s. military who managed to get in today escaping a beating as he did so because just for our viewers to better understand, you have the first perimeter which is taliban fighters which is hard enough to get through. they are sometimes looking at documentation, sometimes not. can't actually read your dock you'llation anyway so it's completely arbitrary, and then you go through a second lawyer, afghan special forces commandos, kind of the first line of defense for the u.s. forces, and then you go through a third layer potentially which is obviously the u.s. itself. so basically it has become virtually impossible for people who are not americans or nato nationalities to get into that
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airport and as a result many people, each those who are americans or even dual nationals are too afraid to risk it which in turn then means that the planes aren't filling up fast enough to keep the evacuations moving. the system is very much broken and the question is how does it get fixed? >> there's also a new reality setting in for the afghan people of what life will be like under the control of the extremists of the taliban, including a curfew imposed for the first time this evening? >> yeah, and today is was first day. you know, i had been telling you every day, jake, well, it's strange and people are shocked and afraid and it was relatively calm. today was the first day that we started to feel the tension really spiking, and i would say sometime this afternoon for about half an hour there was continuous gunfire. our colleague was actually out on the streets saw this big crowd of people running away from taliban fighters. essentially they had been participating in a parade.
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today is afghanistan's independence day and some very brave young afghan patriots went out on to the streets waving afghan flags, carrying one enormous sort of 200-yard long of a fan flag, and even thought the taliban has said you can fly whatever flag you want. you can participate in whatever religious festival you want. they are trying to showcase this new modern more relaxed, if you will, approach, the protesters found themselves face to face with taliban fighters who were firing shots into the air trying to clear them, causing panic, store shops -- store owners then closing down their stores for the day, and this also happening the day after a similar scene took place in jalalabad when a bunch of protesters took down the taliban flag and put up the afghan flag, so a lot of people are now afraid that it hasn't taken that long for the taliban to start showing its true colors, if indeed that's what's
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happen, jake. >> and on that note, the taliban has been making this very strong propaganda effort trying to present the group as less brutal than when they rule in the past. president biden, among oh, is not buying it. take a listen. >> do you believe the taliban have changed? >> no. i think -- let me put it this way. i think they are going through sort of an existential cries about do they want to be recognized by the international communities being a legitimate government. i'm not sure they do. >> from what you're seeing on the ground, what do you make of it? >> well, it's interesting. i actually have this conversation with the taliban commander the other day who i must say was exceptionally articulate and spoke perfect english and had studied law and political science, and he was very adamant that the taliban does want to have international relations and does want to be
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recognized because the taliban knows from the past of being an international pariah that the purse strings only open if you can be accepted and have a relationship with the international community, but as with so many things we're hearing from the taliban it's one thing to say it and another thing to actually behave in a way that leads to that. >> clarissa, you spoke with a senior afghan officer who said he used to be able to ease hi reach american japanese and officers on the ground there and now no one is taking his call. >> yeah. he's actually one of the senior officers in president ashraf ghani's security detail. ghani said i'm going to the helicopter to do a press conference and i'll be right back. is feeling totally betrayed and is in fear of his life and is texting all the generals he used to have lunch with when he was
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here and with ghani, et cetera. take a listen to what he said about trying to reach out to general miller and others. >> now i'm calling on millers and the jobs i was always in touch with. i can give all their names. they are on my phone. unfortunately, since this has happened, they don't respond to my e-mails, and they won't respond to my messages. i am asking american forces for help because i was very close to them, and they shouldn't leave us like this, and also they should help my colleagues. >> what is next for you? >> it's a very up certain and complicated situation, and every second i see myself closer to death. >> and there you have it, jake. i can't tell you how many messages i get like this from people desperate pleas from those who worked in lockstep with the americans for two decades. the other thing that that officer said to me that stuck with me. i started working with the americans before i had a beard and now i'm -- i have a white
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beard. just to give you the sense of that sort of passage of time and the amount of stress and shared work together and a really deep sense as you heard right thereof betrayal and being cast aside. suddenly nobody wants to answer his calls. >> claries ard ward live in kabul. thank you so much. appreciate it. joining to us discuss is democratic congressman jason drove colorado, a former army ranger who served in iraq and afghanistan. congressman, as someone who served in that country, what's your reaction when you see the horror and the chaos continuing to unfold at the kabul airport? >> hi, jake. yeah, my heart continues to break. i'm still in a little bit of shock that we're at this point in these scenes that i'm seeing and hearing about unfolding and hearing that story about that general. my phone is ringing constantly. i'm getting text messages, e-mails constantly with stories like this. i'm getting passport photos e-mailed to me of young children and vite visa photos, poem
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begging for help. this is not the sign of a situation that's going well of our honor as a country, our integrity as a country is at stake, our reputation is at stake, but our moral authority is at stake here. we have made promises over 20 years to these men and women. these partners that stood by us. i may not be here talking to you today had it not been for the service of some of these afghan friends and partners, and there are thousands of americans that are in the same situation that i am in. we have an opportunity right now over the next couple of days and weeks to do the right thing and that's why i'm calling on the administration to take some very clear steps to do so. >> when you say the right thing, tell me what you mean because obviously the afghan translators and interpreters and others who applied for those special immigrant visas, the sivs, them and their family, it's about 19,000, plus thousands more and their families, that's one group. i don't know that this general whose idea was obviously protected is one of them. does the u.s. owe that
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individual a trip to the united states? what exactly are you calling for? >> yes. we do owe somebody like that a trip to the united states and safe harbor after proper investigate, but first step is getting them out of afghanistan. none of this matter. none of the discussions about whether somebody goes under a priority one visa or priority two visa or special immigrant visa. none of that matters if they are dead in two days. let's get these folks to a u.s. military installation overseas, a third country and figure out the bureaucracy nightmare that continues to bog this down and streamline that process but we have to get folks out. you know, the -- the administration is saying that they expect to ramp this up to about 6,000 people a day. at the same time there is this potential deadline at the end of the month, less than two weeks from now, that we're looking at pulling out. i'm no math genius, but those numbers don't add up. we have 20,000 special immigrant visa applicants alone.
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you multiply that by a factor of three for their family merges will 0,000, another 5,000 to 10,000 american citizens and that's not even counting the priority one and priority two visa holders like the generals and commandos, civic society leaders, nonprofit leaders and others that we have to get out. there's well over 100,000 people that we need to make every effort to get out because that's our obligation. that's i think our moral authority as a nation. we have to get it done. we can get it done. that's the other thick. we have the ability to do this. we have to make the commitment. >> and we should point out for viewers that you were supportive of president biden's decision to withdraw all u.s. service members from afghanistan. president biden defended that decision in a new interview with abc news. take a listen. >> you don't think this could have been handled -- this actually could have been handled better in any way? no misnames? >> no. i -- i don't think it could have been handled in a way that -- we're going to go back in
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hindsight and look, but the idea that somehow there's a way to have gotten out without chaos ensuing, i don't know how that happens. >> do you agree with that? >> i think there's a distinction to be made here about the decision to withdraw. i think you're wright. i've been supportive of the ending of our combat mission in afghanistan. after 20 years it's proven there was no military solution here and i continue to agree with that. i do not think that the non-combatant or the civilian evacuation has gone well and according to plan. i'm still trying to figure out what exactly that plan was and that's, why jake, i've been calling since april to start this evacuation. as soon as the president said that he was going to withdraw american combat forces, i knew that we could be in this position, that we might be fatesing this challenge right now, and that's why i said let's start the evacuation, get american citizens out, our afghan partners out. we could have been so much further ahead and in a different position now had we started back in april when me and my colleagues started to call for
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this. we were beating the drums talking to anybody who would listen to us to say let get it done. unfortunately, that did not happen and now we're in a povgs trying to get 100,000-plus folks out under difficult circumstances with limited option. we need to put combat power in, open up the streets and corridors around the airport and make every effort that we can make to get people to the airport and get them out. >> yeah. the evacuation would have been a lot easier before the taliban took over the entire country. thank you as always for your time and, of course, thank you for your service of the. online sleuths bringing insurrectionists to justice. what a group of so-called sedition hunters found before a court hearing and what it changed next. plus, dr. anthony fauci joining us live with americans anxious as more cases rise and more shots go into arms. stay with us. y medicine possible at 40,000 feet. instead of burning our past for power, we can harness the energy of the tiny electron.
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the pentagon described the u.s. rescue operation in afghanistan. american forces have now flown 7,000 evacuees at the airport in kabul since the taliban's takeover this past saturday, we're told, but the pentagon could not answer exactly how many americans are still trying and waiting to leave. make no mistake. officials are terrified of the long list of things that could go wrong over which they have no control such as a terrorist attack. cnn's kylie atwood joins me from the state department. orrin lieberman is at the pentagon. kylie, the state department is telling u.s. embassy staff and kabul to just go to the airport, but even that is far easier said than done. what are you hearing? >> yeah. state department surging resources to the airport right now. they say that when that surge is done by tomorrow, they will be at a higher capacity to get the personnel who make it into the airport out of the country on these military flights, but as you said, getting to the airport is the problem. i talked to one afghan who worked with the u.s. embassy for years. he went to the airport with his
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family. he forced a horde of people. he faced unsafe situation and had to leave, so the problem is what are they doing for those people in the answer as of now is nothing. state department told me they don't have the resources to be going outside of the airport right now but fundamentally what this boils down, to jake, is a policy decision. they see what is happening, but they also see that most of the americans are getting to the airport, and they have decided that they don't want to do anything about the situation on the outskirts of the airport. so that is an area to wamp. are they going to change that policy, or are they going to keep it in place? no indications right now of any change. >> the pentagon says it can evacuate roughly 9,000 passengers a day from the kabul airport of the right now they are nowhere near that level. will the taliban allow this evacuation effort to go past the august 31st deadline? >> well, we just learned a short time ago from a marine general that they are processing twice as many people as yesterday at
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the evacuation control point so the number is moving in the right direction so it's still very far away from going through 5,000 to 9,000 people a day to get them on those flights. as for the taliban to some extent, the whole process has relied on the coordination with the taliban. preponderance of the evidence joe biden yesterday opening the door to the possibility of staying after august 31st with constant and daily communication with the taliban on the ground in kabul. it's worth noting that just a few hours before biden's comments neither the secretary of defense nor the joint chiefs of staff made any mention of august 31st or the end of the month in their press briefing. >> all right. thanks to both of you. breaking news in our national lead. a surrender and and an arrest after an hours long standoff across from the u.s. capitol. a man claimed to have bomb and posted video calling himself a patriot. when he arrived at capitol. he's identified as 49-year-old floyd ray rosenbury. in the facebook video he poved for hours he repeatedly called for president joe biden to step
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down and expressed frustration about the current situation in afghanistan and made pro-trump posts on his social media. police closed off streets and evacuated buildings in the area of the capitol and like riff congress. we're still waiting for more information about this incident. we will bring that to you when we get it. more third doses, but what about first doses? we'll talk to dr. anthony fauci about the new vaccination booster push. stay with us. [music plays.] ♪
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we have some breaking news for you in our health lead. a third u.s. senator announced moments ago he tested positive for coronavirus. democratic senator john hicken lopper of colorado joined angus king of maine and robert wicker of mississippi who both tested positive today. we're told all three are fully vaccinated and all three say they are experiencing mild symptoms and isolating. obviously we wish them all well. major questions about boosters remain after the biden administration announced that beginning next month adults will be eligible for boosters eight months after they had received their second dose of the vaccine. in just a moment dr. anthony fauci is going to join me to address some of the questions and some states are requiring
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all staff and all students need to be vaccinated. >> as covid cases and hospitalizations rise across the country, pressure to introduce more vaccines and mask mandates is mounting. >> i watched a 28-year-old previously healthy unvaccinated patient die from covid complications and while we value every life, that one was tough because it could have been prevented. >> reporter: hospitalization rates for children and adults under 50 setting new records. the biggest jump coming among adults ages 30 to 39 and children under 18. climbing more than 30% higher than their previous peak in early january, according to the cdc. in the two least vaccinated states in the country, alabama and mississippi, where just 36% are fully vaccinated, hospitals
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are strained. hospitalizations in mississippi setting a pandemic record as the state reports the highest seven-day average of new covid cases per capita in the country. the surge in cases leading washington governor jay inly to issue one of the strictest vaccine mandates yet, requiring all teachers and staff in public and private schools to be vaccinated. >> we are well past the point where testing is enough to keep people safe. >> near los angeles, culver city will now require all students 12 and older to get vaccinated by mid-november. teachers and staff must also get the shots, but battles over masking requirements in school continue. with kids stuck in the middle. >> i mean, the masks are like uncomfortable, but it's for safety. >> if i wear my mask, that means i get to see my friends. i'll just wear a mask. >> in florida some 4,600 students and 1,500 employees across the is a largest school districts have tested positive for covid and another 19,000 students and staff have been
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quarantined or isolated. defying governor ron desantis school boards voted to mandates masks in three additional counties. miami-dade and palm beach and in hillsboro where quarantining students is becoming a new focus of outrage. some patients are arguing it should be up to them whether they keep their child home from school after covid exposure. the governor agrees. >> i think quarantining healthy kids deprives these kids of an ability to get an education and now maybe a parent would want a healthy kid to be quarantined if there's an exposure, but i think that should be the choice of the parent. >> it's an approach that flies in the face of public health guidance. >> we have a moral obligation to follow the science and keep our children safe. >> reporter: and now oregon state health authorities will require all k-through 12, volunteers, staff and educators to be fully vaccinated or six weeks after full fda approval.
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the governor saying children need to be in the classrooms five days a week and masks need to be worn and adults around the children need to be vaccinated. >> thanks so much. let's bring in the chief medical adviser to.and the director of the national institution of allergy and infectious diseases dr. anthony fauci. good to see you. the new booster guidance is quite different from what top health officials were saying even a few days ago. listen to you talking to boosters last month and then one week ago. >> the cdc and the fda said that based on the data that we know right now we don't need a booster. right now the decision is we don't need to do it right now. it's not imminent. >> so that was august 12th you said it wasn't imminent. do you understand why some americans are confused, why the president has said that there is now this booster push? i mean, the world health organization says that the data is not there. >> yeah. well, the data are there, jake,
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and what has really changed has changed relatively recently. the data that came out from the cohorts that the cdc have been following of tens and tens of thousand of people in different cohorts throughout the country together with some information that we very recently got from israel which i'll mention in a moment, so the situation is that when i made that statement it was absolutely true based on the data we've seen that people who are vaccinated, who are fully vaccinated. had very, very low likelihood that they would be hospitalized and get severe disease. the brough infections that we were seeing, which are natural when you don't have a 100% effective vaccine, were in people, and the disease was mostly mild or asymptomatic, and what was holding strong was the fact that you were having protection from severe disease, but what the cdc data that
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literally came out a few days before we made the announcement, we're getting it from the cohorts that they were following, that something different was going on, and that is the protection against infection and mild to moderate disease was beginning to attenuate in multiple cohorts of individuals, attenuate that it was dropping. what was holding tight was against severe disease, but when you looked at the data in israel which is generally about a month or two ahead of us, in the only was the protection against infection going down, but they were starting to see that the protection in certain people like individuals in nursing homes for severe disease was going down so we made a decision that even though right now we're still holding strong, we want to stay ahead of things, we don't want to wait until all of a sudden a lot of people are getting hospitalized and a lot of people are dying. we want to be ahead of it, and
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we want to be prepared for it to keep the durability of the protection up. that's a very important distinction. it's understandable how people might be confused, but it's kind of like i use the analogy you want to skate where the puck is going to be, not where the puck is right now. >> yeah. >> and we want to have protection for what will happen a few months from now. >> so is the world health organization wrong when they say there isn't enough data to support boosters because obviously they are looking at information from more than just the united states, or are they more guided by the idea that they want to get everybody in the world, and there are a lot of countries that lag way behind the united states and the west, they want to get everybody vaccinated at least one shot or two shots before people like you and me get three shots. >> you know, i think it's more the latter, jake, and with all due respect to my very close colleagues in the w.h.o. and i understand where they are coming from, but we in the united states believe, first of all,
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data are in our favor. if you look at the data that came out today and yesterday from israel, it's showing that the boosters is having a very favorable effect so the data are there, but what i believe they are saying is something that is quite reasonable. they are concerned and i am, too, that most of the world in the lower and middle income countries don't have vaccinations that are anywhere near the level that it should be. sometimes a couple of 5%, but in the united states we feel we can do both. you can protect our citizens maximally and you can make a major contribution to getting vaccines to the rest of the world, and as a matter of fact, jake, we are doing that. we can do more, and we will do more, but as you know we've done more about doses to other countries, particularly low and middle than the rest of the world combined. >> right. >> we have half a billion doses that are going out at 200 million at the end of this year
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and 300 million in the beginning of next year. weave already given over 115 million dozes to 60 countries and $4 billion. we do believe there is an issue. we want to get dozes to the rest of the world, but we can do both things. we can protect our citizens and play the major role in getting vaccines to the rest of the world. >> let's talk about kids and schools. for children under 12, surgeon general murthy says the fda will move fast to approve the vaccines when they approve the data. when should we expect a vaccine announcement for children under 12? >> i have to be honest with you, i don't know and i just can't get ahead of the fda. i don't know where they are in their evaluation. there's a safety thing that they pay very close attention to. we look -- we've done trials together with the companies and independently of doing dose escalation studies for children, namely going from 11 to 9, 9 to
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6, 6 to 2 and so on. so far it looks like there's no eminent really big safety signal that we've seen, and it looks like we're inducing a good response but the final decision is a regulatory decision with the fda. i hope that that will be soon, but i can't guarantee it because they are an independent agency which is a good thing that they are independent. they look at the data. >> right now some states, washington, oregon and some school districts are mandating that teachers and faculty be vaccinated in order to protect kids and each other, but it seems to be in the minority for anybody listening right now. any school districts or any teachers. do you think if you're talking about protecting kids, the smart decision would be for school districts and states to mandate vaccines for all those who are eligible for teachers, faculty and staff at schools? >> i feel strongly that way.
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i really do. i mean, we want to protect our children. we want to keep them in school, physically in the classroom. we've spoken often on the show of the deleterious effects of keeping kids out of school physically. mental health issues, social developmental issues, but if you're going to do that, you've got to create a safe environment, and there are a few ways of doing that. one of the most important ways is to surround the children with people who are vaccinated if they are eligible to be vaccinated, and that means teachers and personnel in the school. we've got to maintain the safety of the children at the same time we provide them with an education in a way that does not hinder them in the way virtual learning does. >> an important lesson for anybody in a school board or a teachers union or any school administrator to hear. dr. anthony fauci. thank you so much. appreciate it. new york city is planning a
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a little preparation will make you and your family safer in an emergency. a week's worth of food and water, radio, flashlight, batteries and first aid kit are a good start to learn more, visit safetyactioncenter.pge.com in hour national lead, a charged insurrectionist's sentencing was just pushed back after online sedition hunters, volunteer sleuths who help law enforcement track down suspects from the capitol attack,
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unearthed this video apparently showing robert reeder beating up a police officer as cnn's jessica schneider now reports for us this. discovery forced prosecutors to rethink their charges against him just hours before the judge's decision. >> reporter: this video was a last-minute find by a group of amateur online detectives known as sedition hunters. on wednesday the same day the sentencing was scheduled for accused capitol rioter robert reeder the video was wlastd out spotlighting reader allegedly punching a police officer. the discovery had serious consequences because prosecutors had not accused reader of violence on january 6th and his sentencing was only for the misdemean orf unlawfully demonstrating inside the capitol. sedition hunters sent out this message online. we're extremely god at what we do. our small group has spent nows of hours on research, yet only four hours before a court hearing for a plea hearing do we
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find the assault this. truly is a massive undertaking. did we make it in time? #wehope. it was indeed in the nick of time. prosecutors notified the judge and reader's defense attorneys about the new footage wednesday morning and the judge delayed reader's sentencing until act 1th. federal judge thomas hogan said he was concerned about the video since reader was previously pore trade, quote, more as an observer as participant. reader's attorney admitted the clip was problematic at first glance but argued there could be other footage uncovered to help his defense. the quick response to last-minute discovery of images showing a suspected assault clearly shows the dedication by all involved. >> it can be easily tens of hundreds of hours of time just following a bobbing head in a crowd trying to put it together. >> john scott did his own scouring of images online of the so-called zip tie i go who was identified as eric munchol and he said the public quickly
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followed his efforts and wanted to take part. >> what's so inspiring about watching the sedition hunters community go it's about publicly holding people accountable and ensuring that the public understands what happened on that day, even as republicans and others continue to try to rewrite history. >> and prosecutors have cited the work of these online sleuths in several court files and, of course, jake the fbi has credited the public in this. they received more than 200,000 digital tips from the public and, of course, at this point more than 500 people have been channelled. there's actually 575 by our latest count, but as you saw in that piece the public is doing a lot to help prosecutors out in these cases. >> reporter: and the key, of course, is they are sharing these tips privately so in case they made a mistake nobody innocent gets tagged. jessica schneider, thanks so much. more than 2,000 people dead after two disasters in haiti. cnn went to the earthquake epicenter where locals are taking action because the
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in our world lead today, desperation in haiti in the wake of the double disaster of an earthquake followed by a tropical storm, the epicenter of saturday's magnitude 7.23 quake on haiti's southern peninsula. tropical storm grace passed nearby early this week dumping
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nearly a foot of rain. cnn's matt rivers went to that area and discovered help is not on the way. driving into rural haiti is not easy. miles and miles of tough, unpaved roads, but it's at the end of those roads where some of the worst damage from this earthquake lies. this is a fishing town of 30,000 where hundreds of structures have been destroyed. this woman lost everything when the ground shook. i lost my business and my home, she says. i have six kids to send to school, and i don't know what i'm going to do. hers was just the first home we saw. up the street we couldn't drive past this home because like so many others here what remains could collapse at any moment. so these guys behind me aren't professionals. they are just locals with hae hammer, wood and nails trying to figure out a way to bring the
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severely damaged building behind me down. they say in the five days they still have not had one representative from the central government show up. it's a tough place to get to, but as some pointed out to us, we managed to do it, so why hasn't the government. anger, a persistent sentiment for many. this man's family was injured when their home collapsed. >> do you think that the government can come here and help you? >> i don't think so. i don't think so. i don't think so. >> so you're not waiting for them? >> no, no. >> and are you frustrated with that? >> yeah, yeah. very frustrated. i'm very frustrated. >> no matter the reason, the reality persists. people in need are growing increasingly desperate. >> i need help she says and no one is helping me. so far it's only god when i think will help me. the place where she might pray for that, the church in the town center, also destroyed. thankfully fewer people died during this earthquake compared to previous similar quakes.
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imagine, as one person told us, if it had happened on a sunday morning when church was full. >> jake, we reached out to the central government asking have you sent representatives to this area. the if not why. how are you going to make things better for the people there. we have not yet received a response. >> cnn's matt rivers in haiti. thank you so much. a dozen people are reportedly dead in afghanistan. president biden defiant about the chaotic exit from the country. that's next. i've spent centuries evolving with the world. that's the nature of being the economy. observing investors choose assets to balance risk and reward. with one element securing portfolios, time after time. gold. agile and liquid. a proven protector. an ever-evolving enabler of bold decisions. an asset more relevant than ever before. gold. your strategic advantage.
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welcome to "the load." i'm jake tapper. out-of-control passengers from cocaine to assault to the number of incident on american flights taking off and the faa wants people to pay up. plus, we'll talk to the first female air force pilot in the history of afghanistan who later sought asylum in the u.s. what does she make of the rapid collapse of the afghan military ahead. and leading this hour, president biden defiant as he faces the biggest foreign policy challengech his presidency so far and his administration's competence is questioned. reuters reports that at least 12 people have been killed in and around the kabul airport. the president insists there was always going to be chaos and that the u.s. is now relying on the taliban to help get americans and afghan allies out. yet president biden also acknowledges he does not believe the taliban has changed. cnn's jeff zeleny reports from the white house where the president is getting outside pressure to do more than is now
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being done to help u.s. allies still in afghanistan. >> reporter: at the white house today, president biden and his advisers scrambling to bring order to the chaotic evacuation of tens of thousands of americans and afghan allies from taliban-controlled kabul. >> the commitments holds to get everyone out that in fact we can get out and everyone that should come out and that's the objective. >> reporter: yet, so far the evacuations are moving slowly. more than 5,000 american troops are n control of the airport, but it's the taliban that decides who can make it there. the president defiant and defensive, but now leaving open the possibility of keeping u.s. forces longer than a self-imposed timeline of august 31st. >> if there's americans citizens left, we're going to stay to get them all out. >> reporter: but the guarantee does not necessarily extend to all afghans who worked alongside americans. one who spent years working at the u.s. embassy telling cnn the journey was too harrowing to finish saying i decided i would rather the taliban shoot me in the head tock stuck in