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for "cuomo prime time." chris? as always i'm chris cuomo and welcome to "primetime" 13 u.s. troops, mostly marines killed today in the worst loss of american life in ten years in afghanistan. remember them, imagine being their families. if you know any of them, help them. if any of them are watching right now, please know we all owe you for what you and your loved ones gave for the rest of us. and know this, you are not part of the problem that surrounds this situation. you are the one aspect that all can agree on and appreciate as part of the solution. not the problem. so think of our men and women
who are still there valiantly carrying on in a horrible situation. here is what the president of the united states said about this shameful tragedy. >> these american service members who gave their lives, it's an over used word but totally appropriate here were heroes. the lives we lost today were lives given in the service of liberty, the service of security, the service of others. to those who carried out this attack, as well as anyone who wishes america harm, know this, we will not forgive. we will not forget. >> we will hunt you down. and make you pay. we will not be deterred by terrorists. we will not let them stop our mission. we will continue the evacuation. >> but how will it be changed to
reduce the risk that this happens again? now, not since a chopper crash in 2011 have we seen death on this scale of our own. 13 dead. 18 others injured, some very badly. 60 afghans may have been killed. more than 100 afghans injured as well. we don't know the real numbers because we don't control the area, and no, what happened today was not inevitable. the chaos was not inevitable. this did not have to go this way and only this way. for instance, why were we using soldiers, marines, to form a human barrier at this gate? this clearly was not a smart move. will it be changed now? and if you want to assess this in terms of blame, there is plenty to go around. biden has not played his hand well, but he got the cards from trump. and they were bad cards. it was a bad hand.
so enough with the blame game. none of you have high ground. the idea that if the other is worse, you are first has to end because it makes nothing better. look at the instant circumstance, what has been improved by any of the drama and the coverage of this angle? i challenge those so invested in saying who was wrong to apply their genius to helping figure out better ways to get americans and allies out of there. and i want you to see what over there is, yes, the images you are about to see are disturbing. but better to watch them at home than to be living it moment by moment. this is what isis-k did to those desperate to leave. this is where americans now more than were there, because more were sent in, thousands more, crammed into that tight area, this is what happened hours after our embassy warned americans to leave the airport
area immediately. the pentagon says isis gunmen also opened fire on civilians and military forces, and according to the president, their leadership should expect our response. will the threat of being bombed wherever they're from in khorasan stop more suicide bombings? these are people who are willing to die to send a message. will biden's words bring comfort to any of you here at home? he said he would send more forces to afghanistan for the mission if needed, is that what we need? to add to the 5,000 now crammed in there? military leaders have indicated to him they want to continue for now as designed, completely as designed, you're not going to change, like, having your men and women form human barriers that are the precise point where someone can blow themselves up? now, does that mean finish the job by tuesday or ignore what really is an arbitrary deadline.
remember, where did august 31st come from? the biden administration, where they had started at by september 11th and trump had said may 1st. and then biden extended that, and then moved it back. it's all arbitrary. and it leaves us with a very simple premise. there with can be no end point if americans or allies are left to die. can there be? does not today prove the urgency? does not today prove that the taliban isn't in control of anything. they can't be trusted as a partner. the pentagon approximates around a thousand americans may still remain. who knows how many thousands remain that helped us. they don't know the number. will stories of them being rooted out and tortured and killed if left behind, will that hurt less than today? will it make it more acceptable as an outcome? and how likely is another suicide attack?
this was threatened, and then executed. what has been done to make it any less likely of happening again. let's get to the latest on the ground with our sam kiley, now he's in doha qatar, and live on the ground in kabul is najabula, an afghan investigative reporter. thank you very much. let me start with you, in terms of what you know about the situation around the airport since the attacks, has it changed? >> well, it has been very quiet now after the first attack, and the second. the fifth one was blamed by americans, a taliban spokesperson just posted his position saying this was something americans doing inside the airport. the people around the airport,
they try to escape, so at the moment everything is calm and quiet. >> all right, and what our understanding is just for you at home. two attacks and then three controlled explosions. so different category of behavior. sam, in terms of things being done differently because of these attacks as we were pointing out earlier a video i have seen you speaking about that it was u.s. troops creating a human wall in front of people trying to get in. any word that that's going to be changed to make things safer? >> well, what they were actually doing was searching people. they were out beyond the gates, effectively, searching people before they came in as the first line of security screening for a process that then would mean that they would go on and get screened as to who they are. the assumption being that they were not carrying any weapons at all. it's very difficult to see how that could be done if as it was
in the past the afghans special forces are no longer there. chris, i've seen them being withdrawn. i've seen some of them when i was evacuated yesterday, some of them were on flights around about the same time waiting to be processed themselves. many of them still in uniform at doha airport at the military, at the u.s. base there. so they were the people who were doing that initial screening so they would have been the people who would have died in this explosion alongside so many after their fellow afghans, but because they had clearly been withdrawn, it was u.s. marines doing this. this is a process that has gone on at the other gates sporadically. i have to say i'm personally surprised they were in that environment out in front of the gate so soon after the threat warning had gone out for the united states, united kingdom, australia and others telling their people to get back precisely because there was detailed knowledge of an active,
ongoing plot to attack afghans at the gates in these very very dense crowds, and the location that they picked was the densest of the dense crowds and the most contained because it was a long line of blast walls that lead to this crossing point, so the point of extreme vulnerability, chris, but also a point of extraordinary goodwill from the united states and stepping forward those men and women presumably women with them who were out there searching people before they could come in and get evacuated. there's no other way of doing it, really. >> is there anymore word about concerns about more attacks? >> well, there are actually, we were from three, four days, ago, i raise this question from the taliban spokesperson which i met him yesterday and the day before yesterday, i brought this up, i
said there are some reports that the lives inside the taliban, they can do something. they say, no nothing could happen. so the reality is the sources i have around me, they are inside, they look similar. and it's really really hard for anyone to identify them. >> and how are people now under taliban control and understanding what you're saying, which is that the isis-k may be in and among them, how much anxiety is there among the people who fear they're going to be left behind and left to them, naj? >> the reality is the public don't know. the public is just listening what the spokesperson or the taliban is telling them, but in
kabul, there is -- they're okay, but if you go far in to the provinces, a friend of mine came today, he told me the city is like a dead city. nobody is in the road, nobody is in the street. it's very quiet. everybody's afraid. the people flee the city or came to kabul, but there's no more. all the cities are -- because of these people -- and they all escape from that incident from the airport, and trying to find some safe places. so the situation in kabul, i think, because it is still early morning is going to be quiet again. i'm sure people don't want to be out of their house.
they want to be in as much as they can. so at the moment, i cannot say anything until daylight. >> one way or the other, the threat of the attack or the attack itself only makes the mission harder. sam, najabula, i know it's very early in the morning. thank you for being up. stay safe, you and your teams, and thank you. . i want you to catch the documentary, airs october 12th on front line for pbs, covering everything happening on the ground in afghanistan, and again what we're hearing here that, you know, the taliban, oh, they hate isis, they're going to hate isis-k, that's not what he said, and that's not other reports on the ground, and there's understanding that isis-k guys used to be pakistani taliban guys. are they enemies, did they do things to stop today or did they do nothing? he doesn't trust the taliban, but even now, our president is echoing that, and saying the jam we're in is that we do have to rely on the taliban somewhat. is that a tenable position?
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isis-k. why do i put it in quotes. i don't know that we know that. lisa curtis who helped facilitate trump's taliban deal joins me now. it is good to have you. the idea that isis-k is the sworn enemy of the taliban, and then we hear from a reporter on the ground that isis-k members may be insinuated into the taliban and that it is not as much of an situation as suggested, what do you think. >> i think isis-k and taliban are opposed to one another. we know that. isis-k is a break away from al qaeda, and in about 2015, they came on the scene in afghanistan. when we talk about the k, it's khorasan, khorasan province, which is an islamist reference to the region, to afghanistan, iran, spakistan, when they came
on the scene in 2015 they set up shop in kunar province. u.s. and afghan forces were able to beat back that base in eastern afghanistan. however, isis-k remained capable in kabul, and they have conducted numerous attacks against in particular, the hazar a-shia minority in afghanistan. so they certainly have different goals than the taliban, and they are opposed to each other. now, that's not to say that isis-k might draw from taliban or herkani network elements. >> explain to people what the network is. many people think they are the biggest concern in the region. >> they are. the hakani network is essentially part of the taliban, yet has its own separate base. they were very established in
eastern afghanistan going back into the 1980s, and when the taliban took power in 1994 hakani was the tribal affairs minister in the taliban government, and basically controlled the eastern part of afghanistan. so they have always worked hand in glove. it's kind of like a distinction without a difference when you talk about the hakani network in the taliban. but the network is a very capable terrorist organization. they're responsible for some of the worst terrorist attacks in afghanistan over the last several years. again, there could be sharing of networks, of suicide bombers, trainers, financial networks. they get mixed up between isis-k. >> is there any reason to believe that the taliban can control and create a safer
situation than what we saw in the last 24 hours? >> no, i don't think that we should ever think that the taliban can secure the country. that is not going to happen and i think they, at this particular moment, i think the president was right when he says it's in their interest for the u.s. to be able safely evacuate. they're trying to demonstrate. they have just come to power. they're trying to show their best face to the world, to the international community. they want access to financing. they want diplomatic recognition. so the leadership is trying to put on this good face for the world. so it probably is in their interest that attacks like this would not happen. but we cannot trust them. they don't have the capability.
they don't have the discipline in their ranks to be able to prevent this kind of attack, so no, i don't think we should be feeling any safer moving forward and it's just a terrible day for the united states, but i do think that the president gave very strong and resolute remarks, and made clear that we're not going to allow the terrorists to intimidate us. the u.s. will remain committed to getting american citizens out, getting our afghan allies out, and we'll continue the mission. >> lisa curtis, thank you very much. appreciate you. >> two u.s. lawmakers are catching a lot of flak. is it fair? they made an unauthorized trip to kabul. they're both veterans. they both know the terrain, the country, they both have contacts there. they went there for their position. one of them is with us, congressman seth moulton of
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while u.s. forces are racing to get as many people out of afghanistan as possible, earlier this week two u.s. congressmen insisted on getting in. democratic congressman seth moulton and his gop colleague made a surprise trip to kabul on tuesday. stunned some leaders in washington but also reportedly military leaders on the ground who have been focused on evacuation efforts. how do they justify the time and the attention, what did they learn when they were there that made it worthwhile, congressman seth moult on, did multiple tous in iraq. joins me now. thank you for doing so. >> thanks, chris.
>> first let's deal with the we and get to me. in light of the attack, what you believe the future holds, what's your assessment? >> chris, let me speak for a second at what these amazing marines, sailors, soldiers, airmen were doing when they were killed. i was at abbey gate where the attack occurred, and they were given a truly herculean task. it's the most extraordinary thing i have ever seen my life. over four tours in iraq, i have never seen anything like this. marines shifting through this literal sea of humanity, trying to pluck out our allies who trusted us to get us out of this mess with their faemilies, thei wives, their husbands, their daughters that reminded me of my own. and it wasn't what i expected. tw it wasn't a gate with marines on one side, and afghans on the other. they couldn't find them that
way. the marines had to go forward, out yards with their horse whips to find our people and to give them a ticket to freedom. so they were putting themselves at tremendous risk and saving thousands, thousands of lives in the process. it was -- it was actually -- it was absolutely extraordinary, and chi've seen a lot, chris, i have been through a lot, and i have never been more proud to be an american than i was that day at abbey gate, seeing what these marines were doing for us, for our values, upholding what america stands for these afghans trying to get to freedom. so everybody needs to know that these marines and sailors died as absolute heroes, and their legacy will be the thousands of afghans, little girls and little boys, who are alive today because these u.s. marines put
their lives on the line for them. >> what is the hardest thing for you emotionally, and knowing that while these marines were willing to do it that they were put in that position despite the threat. >> just thinking that as a member of congress that i didn't do enough. that we didn't fulfill our role to make sure stuff like this doesn't happen. when i was on the ground in iraq, i felt abandoned by our congress because i saw countless decisions made by people in washington who had no idea what it was like on the ground. had no idea what positions we were being put in as marine infantry men. no idea the sacrifices that we were being asked to make because they didn't know what was going on, and i vowed that i would not be a member of congress who left our troops behind. >> do you think that we have to adjust now and that you can't have marines out there in front of the lines so vulnerable to more suicide attacks because
there's no reason to believe that the same agents of this kind of evil can't do more of this. >> you know, one of the most amazing things about these marines is they want to go out there again because they know how important this mission is because they see in the eyes of these afghans the lives that they are saving from certain death. so they want to keep doing it, but what we have to come to terms with as a country is that we're not going to get everybody out with the time line we have, we are not going to get anyone out. that's one of the most important things i learned on the ground. >> why don't we have a time line? >> i'm not going to go into the history. >> i'm saying why should we have one at all, and the military leaders tell you the same thing, they're not going to be done by the 31st, why should the 31st be a real ending? >> that's exactly what i thought when i went over there. what i heard from the commanders on the ground is that because even if we delay until september 11th, which was the original
agreement, we're not going to get everybody out in time, so we have to have a productive relationship with the taliban going forward, as bizarre as that sounds. we have to have a productive relationship with the taliban going forward if we have any chance of getting the thousands that we leave behind, when we do go, out in the future. and the only way we can do that is if we abide by the agreement that's been negotiated at this point, which is to leave on august 31st. it's hard breaking. but that's the position that we've been in. and that's the position that people in washington have put our troops in. >> so the -- some of the people on the committee that you're on, and nancy pelosi are miffed that you went over there, you didn't tell anybody. you say we weren't there to grand stand. nobody knew we were there until we left. the pushback is, yeah, but then the military on the ground had to protect you guys, and that was reckless of you. what do you make of the criticism that you shouldn't have been there? >> look, i mean, people -- i don't care what people are
saying in washington. what i care about is saving looifgs. lives, i care about doing my job by the marines and sailors, and airmen, and the afghans we are trying to save. >> did you learn anything you didn't know already? >> absolutely, i learned where we have to go going forward, my opinion on the 31st was totally changed by my time there. i learned that all the work that my colleagues and i have been doing in congress where we think we're helping these troops by sending names forward, even though we can't get answers, that actually was distracting them from the mission because there's no system in place to handle these thousands upon thousands of requests from individuals all over america through congressional office to get afghan friends that they know. and that had been my experience, you know, the last week, chris, i stayed up all night one night just trying to get four small families out. and i was sending hundreds and hundreds of text messages
between the afghans and troops i happened to know on the ground, between their friends and advocates in america, just trying to get them to the right place, to hang on. i know your kids are practically dying of dehydration, but please stay, stay a little bit longer because someone really wants to come and help you. and at the end of the night, i'd gotten one, one out of the four families out, but when i saw a picture of them on the base, and i saw there was this heroic afghan journalist, his wife and two little girls, just about the same age as mine, i knew it was worth it. and if i could get on a plane to figure out how to save a few more families, then i'm sorry, chris, i'm going to do that. >> congressman, i appreciate you coming on and the candor about what you saw on the ground and what you think of the politics surrounding it and your recognition of what you believe is a realistic end in this
mission. i appreciate you taking the opportunity. >> thanks, chris. >> let's turn to another veteran, how does the military community feel about staying or leaving in afghanistan, and how it's being done, especially in light of these attacks. this is a man who served this country, who's constantly in contact, who's part of monitoring what has become a digital dunkirk of veterans like him trying to help people get out and being very frustrated with the results. next. here you go, let me help you. hi mr. charles, we made you dinner. ahh, thank you! ready to eat? yes i am!
a little preparation will make you and your family safer in an emergency. a week's worth of food and water, radio, flashlight, batteries and first aid kit are a good start to learn more, visit safetyactioncenter.pge.com the president today striking a somber tone, a moment of silence honoring our heroes killed in kabul. the reality of which reminds americans of the sacrifice our troops and their families make every single day. we all know the expression, they have to live it. war is old men talking and young men dying. let's check in with a friend to this show and to me personally,
the founder of the iraq and afghanistan veterans of america veteran paul reicoff. p.j., what did today mean to you about the reality of this situation? >> i think it brought it all home for the people who weren't really paying attention. i feel like today was a day when i heard from more civilian friends, from people who don't normally watch the news, who maybe were on vacation for the last couple of weeks. our community has been furious, it's been heartbreaking, it's been agonizing. today was a gut punch, it was really shattering for many people. and i think it's one of the most dark and tragic days in the modern military that i can remember because we are watching it unfold. it felt like we could feel it coming, and we dreaded it could come, and today it came. i want to echo what my friend seth said. this is about those families, and about those heroes, and if we're looking for a way to rally as a country, we need to rally around those marines, and their
families, and our afghan friends, and we've also got to continue to demand accountability from the government. that's got to be a part of this. so, you know, this is a very very tragic day and i hope we can find a way to rally around those families and force our president, especially, to find the best path forward out of this mess. >> what has to change? >> look, you know, i think the president has got to have a plan. i mean, i think a lot of people are asking him what the hell are you doing right now? it seems like he's talking out both sides of his mouth, we're out, we're in, we might extend beyond the august 31st deadline, we might not. number one, we have to ensure every one of our service members, is safe, the question is always the president, whether it's joe biden, donald trump, barack obama or george bush, and too often, the politicians fail. the politicians put us in untenable, dangerous situations and leave us there. how long is this going to go on,
how long are you going to keep our people safe and how are you going to keep our people out. i disagree with seth, we need to stay there until they're out. get all of them out, that message cascades far beyond afghanistan, and that's what you hear in a chorus on folks on active duty who can't talk in public. >> i don't have to tell you this, but if we were worried about whether or not we could keep our troops safe we wouldn't go into any of these situations, and we haven't heard yet whether or not they're going to stop this protocol of having marines, look, i get, you know, i get marines, and i get how brave they are and how servicemen and women want to do the job no matter how dangerous, that's why you're the best of us, but that doesn't mean you should be put in that position. >> that's it. >> and we shouldn't see anymore footage of service members in the crowd with no protection where a suicide bomber can walk up and give them a hug. we have no guarantee it's not going to happen. but the point to respond to is you have to get out, you need a deadline, and then just try to make a deal with these bad guys,
the taliban, to allow some type of productive continued exit because you'll never get people out, and you'll keep getting your guys and women hit by suicide bombers and other threats there the longer you stay. >> look, i think there's a false choice here that we have to get out right now or throw our people into increased danger exponentially, i mean, anybody who watched footage over the last couple of weeks knew that our marines and service members were exposed. this was a terrible soft target. we had been warning folks in government about this for a long time. sometimes our president's got to save our military from themselves. they're going to be brave. they're going to do anything you ask them to do. we have to ask president biden, was this the right situation to put them in, was that a risk level you're accepting and we should accept? i don't think that was clearly laid out for the american people until today. now there are going to be hard questions, now there's increased pressure, and i hope there's in more candor. they can't spin how many babies
were born on a plane, now they have to address how many marines have died, and how many friends will die if we pull out and win. >> the problem for them is if they had an easy good answer, we would have heard it already. but p.j., righteous media, i appreciate you, i appreciate your service and your clear eyes on the situation. i know you're working with all of these other veterans. i refer to the digital dunnkirkf you go online and see the hash tag, you'll see the network of concerned veterans trying to get people out. a frustratingly desperate situation. be well, brother, and thank you. >> thank you, chris. ahead we're going to turn to someone who is proof of this desperation and frustration. i introduce you to ishmael, he decided to take it upon himself to try to leave his family and try to go to afghanistan, and he couldn't get there. he's back in seattle, desperately working with a group of friends he's brought together trying to get people out, and these bombings scared the hell out of him because his family was waiting in line.
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fujifilm value from innovation amid the chaos followed by a deadly terror attack, president biden is maintaining that the u.s. will get our allies as well as all americans out of afghanistan. as you can see in this video, even after the attack, afghans packed the airport desperate to get out. they're all being forced into basically a single checkpoint. this wasn't a smart way to do it. it's probably not the best way to do it. but the question is now, is it the only way to do it? our next guest spent six years alongside u.s. troops as a translator. he got out. his family has not. they were waiting at that chokepoint for days in the hot sun, and then ishmael heard about the bombings, and he couldn't reach them, and he had to track them down, and he was terrified. you may remember his face because we've had him on. let's bring him up right now. and ishmael wants to show us
what he's been doing out of his apartment. he's conscripted his own friends to help make phone calls and try and push paperwork and deal with the bureaucracy that is the biggest obstacle. ish, it's going to see you. basically i have mixed feelings about you not making it to afghanistan. i know you wanted to be there. i know you wanted to be with your family, but i was worried about you. show us what you're doing there, and then let's talk about what the challenges are. >> thank you, chris, for having me. you can see my friends behind me. basically i turned my house into a command center that we have been talking to a lot of folks in afghanistan, getting the data, all the information that we get, and we put it in a -- that i got from senator patty murray that her team sent it out for me. for the last two weeks, we have been sending it to state department. we have been sending it to senator patty murray now.
and i'm kind of stuck in a place that i do not know where those form goes and who is making plans, who are executing, and when those people are going to get out. i do not hear anything back. >> you're saying senator patty murray, right? that's who you've been dealing with? >> yes. >> all right. so let's just clarify this for people. ish, you have been taking forms that they gave you and connecting with people who want to get out in afghanistan, whom you believe are qualified for the siv, and getting their information, and then putting in the forms. so there are two problems. one, where do those forms go? and, two, how do the people, even if the forms are going somewhere and are being accepted and approved, how do those people show that and get to where they have to be so they can get out? >> exactly. those are the challenges that i've been facing and trying to
find out, like, hey, where are these form going? like is there any plan when those people are going to get out? is there a safe zone that they go? i was with task force pineapple who are volunteers working underground in afghanistan. i was shepherding four families including mine to get to the airport. for 48 hours, those people with kids, they finally made it to that gate, and suddenly i got the report that there is a bomb threat. everyone needed to get out up there. and it was a sad situation that i lost contact with most of the families underground, and i couldn't get to them for about two hours. i've been up for the last 48 hours. most of those kids who were out there for two days, hoping to make it to inside the wire, most of them are in the hospital, dehydrated and struggling, and they couldn't make it. >> have you been able to help
anybody get through the barrier yet? >> there were -- so task force was able to take out 500 people inside the wire last night. so it is a huge success for them. but most of the people are still left behind, and we are trying everything that we can to push families in. >> where is your family now, and what are their prospects? what are their chances for getting out? >> their chances are about zero. the chaos that you see in the kabul airport, there should be a safe way for them. like it's -- it's a chaos. like they spent 48 hours to get to that gate, and they were so close. they were so close. they were about ten meters away from the gate, and they couldn't make it. >> do you believe or do they believe that the taliban, after the americans leave, will allow there to be an exit for them?
>> negative. i do not believe. there won't be any exist. talibans are still stopping people. they're beating them. they put checkpoints. they are stopping people from going to the airport. and when people make it somehow, then there is no entranceway so they can make it to the airport. so people are basically dealing with two different -- two different governments. talibans are not letting them in, and so does the u.s. government. when they make it to those gates, it's almost impossible to go through. >> ismael, i promised you that we would stay on your story, and that promise is going to be kept until the end. so as you get information, you know how to pass it along. we've been texting all along, and i'm here for you, okay? >> thank you. thank you so much, chris. i really appreciate your help. >> ismael khan, you're the one who's helping, and i know your family appreciates it and many others. be well. stay safe. we'll be right back. >> thank you.
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cnn will be staying on afghanistan coverage throughout the night, but there is another story breaking on our watch. the supreme court this evening just ruled to block the biden administration's eviction moratorium during this covid pandemic. the unsigned opinion by the court says if a federally imposed eviction moratorium is to continue, congress must specifically authorize it. now, remember, the court already effectively blocked this ban once. biden decided to test it. he lost. this was an extension we were talking about. keep in mind the president admitted this month that most constitutional scholars didn't see him winning though the liberals on the court dissented and sided with the white house. but this isn't just about the law. it's about the practicalities. the conservative sway on this court is well known. think about the millions of people in this country who now have to worry about what's next
on a night when the entire nation also wonders what's next for our troops overseas. that's the state of play. thank you for watching. we'll be back live tonight midnight eastern for continuing coverage of the kabul terror attack. don lemon tonight starts right now with its big star, d. lemon. it doesn't get much worse. we haven't seen anything like this in ten years, and we have not been told what will make it any safer. how will they do it any better than what exposed these marines and others. and remember also on the afghan side, who knows how many of these people are allies but their count is 60 dead and over 100 injured. this was really bloody and bad, and the biggest and scariest aspect, don, is why is it safer