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you're live in the "s.e. cupp unfiltered." hurricane ida is barrelling toward the united states and aiming directly at louisiana. ida is expected to reach category four strength before making landfall tomorrow projected storm surge along with winds up to 115 miles an hour. could produce an extremely life-threatening situation across portions, southeast portions of that state. the mayor of new orleans had this urgent warning earlier today. >> if you're voluntarily
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evacuating our city, now is the time to leave. you need to do so immediately. if you're planning to ride it out, again make sure you hunker down. >> if all of this sounds ominously familiar, ida is expected to make landfall on the same date, august 29th, that hurricane katrina devastated a large portion of the gulf coast 16 years ago. mandatory evacuation orders in effect in parts of louisiana and as you can see right there on your screen, highways are already backed up with people trying to leave and we're tracking this storm from all angles. cnn's van is down there but begin with allison chinchar in the cnn weather center. you've been following this very dangerous storm. what's the latest forecast on ida? what can you tell us at this hour? >> we got the latest update moments ago. winds up to 100 miles per hour
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sustained now officially makes it a category two storm. movement to the northwest at just about 16 miles per hour. now, we anticipate it to rapidly intensify over the next 24 hours because it's going to move into incredibly warm waters. we're not just talking back water here but jacuzzi warm, fuel for this particular storm. it's expected to make landfall as a category four storm likely some time late sunday afternoon over louisiana. there's been a lot of comparisons here to hurricane katrina because it's very memorable for a lot of folks that live there. katrina was technically a category three at landfall, whereas ida is expected to be a category four. so in terms of winds, ida is expected to be a stronger storm compared to katrina but one thing to note is the path. technically, the track went to the east of new orleans. where ida is expected to go just to the west. putting new orleans on the eastern side of the storm. that side has slightly stronger
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wind speeds than the western half of the storm and more specifically, the northeast quadrant, also called the front right quadrant. not only tends to have strongest winds but highest surge and greatest tornado potential but that sun fortunately where new orleans is expected to be. we have the potential, not only for tornadoes but also water spouts and even damaging winds tomorrow for new orleans, even up through jackson, mississippi. not just the potential for tornadoes, but also very damaging winds. 110 miles per hour, especially for baton rouge in new orleans. power outages likely to be a big concern but biggest concern, especially along the coast, is storm surge. this pink area here, 10 to 15 feet of storm surge, that includes the city of grand isle. biloxi with 7 to 11 feet. to put this into perspective for people to understand storm surge and the impacts, even just four feet, you start to have your home inundated with water.
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that begins to come back in. but we're not talking about four feet for some of these areas. we're talking 9, 10, even 11 feet of storm surge in some areas. that will completely overtop the first level of your home. two story home, fine. but if you don't, where do you go from there? >> that's right, allison. that's where we saw people during hurricane katrina waiting to be rescued by authorities from their rooftops. that's not a scene we do not want to see again. you're in the expected bull's eye. how are people getting ready for the storm? i hope people are getting out of there. are you seeing that at this time? >> reporter: definitely, jim. people are getting out. they are leaving. steady streams of traffic moving away from this particular location and for good reason. we know this is ground zero for that outer eyewall to move through and that means strong est rain and winds bands through
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this particular area. taking place for the individuals still here. mandatory evacuations started at 6:00 a.m. in the parish where i'm located. there's a curfew in place at 6:00 p.m. tonight. people are sandbagging their businesses and home and evacuating, listening to the orders. of course, this impending disaster, jim, is happening amongst the backdrop of our global pandemic and louisiana has been hit particularly hard. we have a very low vaccinated r rate. roughly 41% vaccinated and some of the thunder and rain bands that aren't even associated with the hurricane. going back to the covid angle here though, it's interesting to note there's a high hospitalization rate here as well. so people don't necessarily want to go to evacuation centers because of the fear of covid as well. that is a concern for people here. there is very low occupancy around the local hotels. just exiting the hotel to come to our live shot, we heard an individual asking the person at the front desk if there was
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occupancy and she had to be denied because there are no rooms available here. obviously, we know the threats here. storm surge 10 to 15 feet but what makes this particular location particularly vulnerable to storm surge is that i'm only 10 feet above sea level and most of the parish is roughly about the same. so you can imagine as that surge ahead of ida comes in, it is going to push the water several miles inland, especially where i'm standing, and of course, that is going to inundate businesses and home. and that's why people are getting out. jim? >> derek, such an important message. people don't want to leave their homes or go to a hotel or evacuation center but so much safer than staying in your homes in those low lies areas that are prone to flooding in the direct path of any storm surge from this hurricane. derek and allison, thanks so much. joining us now, colin arnold. director of the new orleans office of homeland security and emergency preparedness. colin, what do people need to know right now to prepare for this storm and are you seeing
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people heeding these warnings to get out? >> jim, thanks for having me. absolutely, we are. you know, a lot of people in the stores making preparations but that time is coming quickly to a close. if you plan on sheltering in place, you need to be where you need to be by midnight, and if you are getting on the roads to evacuate, if that's the best decision for you and yours, that needs to happen now. and so that's what we're saying very clearly. also, we do have a small portion of our city that's outside the levee protection, which is exactly what allison was talking about. low lying area with a 7 to 11 foot storm surge and potential under a storm surge watch warning. those areas need to evacuate and we started that yesterday. that's a mandatory evacuation and they need to leave as well. >> and the national weather service warned today that some locations could be uninhabitable for weeks or months. how are you preparing for this and you mentioned those levees.
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i covered hurricane katrina. i remember what happened with the levees. what is the state of the levies? are you in better shape than you were back then? i gather you are but i'm sure you're assessing it hour by hour. >> there's been $15 billion investment since 2006 and yes, tomorrow is the anniversary but i believe it's also an anniversary that shows we are more resilient, we are more prepared. we talked with the corps of engineers, the governor and the state and national weather service. local levee protection authority and they're comfortable with the status of the system right now. all of those gates and flood walls closed completely by tonight. buttoned up. the river will be closed at some point by the coast guard. so they're really, the time is drawing down and people need to shelter in place or evacuate, and that's just the bottom line at this point. what we'll do after is depending on the condition on the ground if we have to do any post-storm
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movement of people that are in the city, we're addressing that right now with our state and federal partners. >> and louisiana still recovering from major hurricanes that hit last year. are you ready for this? what are you anticipating for what your needs are going to be in the days ahead? >> power restoration i think is going to be a big one, and do additionally, geographically, engineer drainage. so if our drainage systems go out, there's the potential for flooding, and i would say to set expectations. any amount of heavy, heavy rain over a short period of time will inundate our system and that's pretty clear. what we're seeing right now is manageable over two days. again, if you get one of those 7 to 8 inches per hour rain events that happen for several hours or even for an hour, you'll start to get street flooding and then the pumps play catch-up mode.
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if we have the extended power issues that occur, that can have an effect as well. >> issues like yourself are encouraging people to evacuate. for those planning to ride out the storm, what's your message to them and some people may not be old enough to remember what happened during hurricane katrina the way people had to shelter under overpasses and in the super dome and all kinds of just evacuation centers and sheltering places that were not really equipped for a lot of people to come in. what's your message to people to make sure they don't end up in a situation that you saw 16 years ago? >> have 72 hours of food, water, medications and supplies on hand. the first 72 is on you. that's three days worth. have that, shelter in place by midnight tonight. and depending on the conditions after this passes, you're going to have to address getting you out further in a post-storm
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scenario, if that occurs. >> i think that's pretty straightforward advice. you may have to fend for yourself for three days until the rescuers can get to you if it's that kind of situation. colin arnold. go ahead. finish your thought. yeah. >> we're a tough city and tomorrow kind of shows 16 years ago, we learned a lesson and we're going to face this together and we'll get through it. >> you're a strong city and a great city and all the best to you, sir. thank you very much, colin arnold. thank you so much. coming up, we're also following the other breaking news. the u.s. air strike on isis-k. planners and retaliation for the bombing outside the kabul airport that killed 13 u.s. troops and more than 170 others. all this while evacuations in kabul continue. you're live in the cnn newsroom.
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profile isis targets were killed in afghanistan. the drone strike authorized by president biden in retaliation for thursday's suicide bombing outside of kabul airport. that horrific attack left 13 u.s. service members and at least 170 others dead making thursday the deadliest day for u.s. troops in afghanistan since 2011. cnn pentagon correspondent barbara starr joins me now. what more are we learning about the strike and the targets? there was just a briefing a short time ago. >> good afternoon, jim. the pentagon is calling them high profile facilitator planner but not calling them senior isis operatives in afghanistan. no indication either of the two that were struck and confirmed dead by the pentagon were in charge or in command, if you will, of anything. we asked if this now is essentially a death blow to isis. how does this really impact isis in afghanistan? here's what john kirby, the press secretary, had to say. >> nobody's writing this off and
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saying, well, we got them, so we don't have to worry about isis-k anymore. not the case. as i said earlier, the threat stream is still active, still dynamic. we're still laser focused on that and forced protection and we aren't thinking for a minute that what happened yesterday gets us in the clear. not a minute. but do we believe that we hit valid targets? bad guys who can do bad things and plan bad missions? absolutely and do we think that will have some impact on their ability going forward? absolutely. >> so the situation right now, the threat from isis-k in afghanistan still very active, being monitored, we're told, in realtime. that means literally minute by minute. a lot of concern about that threat around the airport. we are now just really counting down the hours, right. tuesday is the day the u.s. is finally supposed to be out of afghanistan. they are beginning the withdrawal of u.s. troops, and
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as there is less and less military capability at the airport, the security concerns are growing. the pentagon says they believe they can keep everyone safe but nobody is taking anything for granted at this point, jim. >> barbara, as for the military withdrawal and how those evacuations are almost over, what are they doing in terms of prioritizing the security situation there? are we now at a point where we're just mainly focused on getting our troops out? >> well, the pentagon, the administration officially says they'll keep evacuating people, u.s. citizens, afghans with the special visas and right paperwork until the last minute. they'll not give up and continue to do that as u.s. troops are withdrawing, but there are still plenty of stories out there. we're hearing from people, even today, that are americans who cannot get to the airport, who cannot get out of afghanistan
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and many afghans as well. >> barbara starr, your reporting always appreciated. thank you so much. john gar meamendi. his district includes travis air force base. kabul efforts. i know you've been busy on the phone. your office helped 145 americans get out of afghanistan just yesterday. tell us about that effort. how everything played out. >> well, this is really an extraordinary effort, not by my office specifically but other members of congress, state department and the military. here's how we've been working. we get all kinds of requests. we process those through the state department and then we do have contacts on the ground. we had contacts at the gates. we still do, i believe, and we
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called those srnergeants to say they've got the proper documents to be there at this time and then those soldiers very heroically in a dangerous situation call out the names of the individuals. for the 145, there was a group that had been stuck outside quite a far distance from the gate. we got information that they were there. we then made those very same contact state department and directly to the military at the gates and they were escorted in. this is a continuing effort. just today, another group of people in contact with us. actually, this was passed to us by one of my congressional colleagues. we were able to identify where they were. they had the right papers. the contacts were made. they were actually escorted to the gates and they are now in qatar. >> and what insight did you get about the security situation at
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the kabul airport now and how much it's changed following the u.s. air strike and as this military withdrawal begins? i suppose it could be changing moment by moment. >> you're quite correct, jim. it is changing moment by moment. we do know that the taliban have moved more people away from the gates. they've expanded the security that they were involved in and that's really some of the pressure at the gate. nevertheless, it remains a very, very dangerous situation at the gates. there's still crowds. not as much as before but they're still there. what is going to happen and i want to add to something barbara said, the president has been very clear. the american evacuations do not end when the military leaves. there will be other mechanisms being used to evacuate americans for one reason or another did not get to the airport before
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the american military left, but nonetheless, those evacuations will continue and efforts will continue to evacuate from afghanistan, afghans that are at risk for a variety of reasons and we'll continue to work on that, as will other members of congress in the state department and the military where appropriate. >> congressman, the taliban's cooperation is expected in all of that without u.s. troops there, the expectation is that they will continue to cooperate with that? >> i think what we need to do here is to hope for the best and plan that it may not occur. the taliban has been cooperating now. there's many, many reasons why they would continue to cooperate into the future. not the least of which is they now have 40 million people that they're responsible for. there's a serious economic crisis that existed before the taliban took over the
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government. there will clearly be a humanitarian crisis as a result of the disruption of all of the services from food to medicine and beyond. so the taliban is going to need support and clearly, the community of united nations and other interested countries will be working with the taliban where appropriate and in a way that creates a better security environment in that area. and of course, isis-k has not disappeared. the air strikes, perfectly appropriate. if i were an isis-k member, i'd be looking up into the air for that hail fire missile that's coming my way and i suspect that right now, the isis-k is hunkering down because we know where many of them are and i will guarantee you that there will be additional air strikes on various isis-k targets in the days ahead. >> and the whole point of this
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war was to make sure afghanistan was no longer a harbor for terrorist groups like isis-k, but federal officials are on high alert for threats in the u.s. originating in afghanistan. 20 years later, how do we avoid being back where we started on 9/11, do you think? >> with regard to afghanistan, this is a continuation of a discussion i had a moment ago in that the taliban government is faced with a choice. they could be the taliban of 1990 or they could be a different government. if they choose to be a different government, then the community of nations will be working with them and certainly, the united states dealing with terrorism. i'm not in any way suggesting that we immediately or in the near future recognize them as the legitimate government, but they are there. we must deal with them. at least in the short-term and i would suspect that we'll continue on into the days and
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months ahead but this is really a question for the taliban. what kind of government will they be? will they be a rational government caring for all their people or the 1990 government that really terrorized afghans and particularly, women and children? it's their choice. we'll be working with them as long as they are willing to be legitimate and worthy government. >> all right, can coongressman, know you'll be focused on that. thank you so much. we appreciate it. >> thank you. and the defense just released the names of the 13 u.s. service members who were killed in thursday's attack in kabul. as we go to the next break, i want to take a moment to recognize their sacrifice.
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so far, the story of america's exit from afghanistan has been chaotic and deadly and the final chapter is quickly unfolding. u.s. forces are now beginning to withdraw from the kabul airport as they continue to evacuate americans and allies looking to escape the taliban. we know how dangerous this mission truly is after thursday's deadly suicide blast. isis-k claiming responsibility for that bombing. the white house warning another attack is likely. cnn's sam kiley in doha, qatar, joins me now. how are these evacuation efforts progressing in the aftermath of thursday's attack? it sounds as though they're accelerating. >> reporter: the price of acceleration, jim, i think is part of the natural planning. this planning would have all been done against the background of withdrawing. the american military calling retrograde process. this was all anticipated, baked into the planning that there
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would be or could be these sorts of terrorist attacks. that notwithstanding, i understand from my own contact with intelligence there was a concern of a multiple possible attacks or a number of different complex attacks being planned by the so-called islamic state in the khorasan. this at the time with coordination with the taliban, really, is the absolutely key relationship. there are still evacuees getting out. they're not getting out through the official gates. the gates have been officially closed. they're getting out through covert means and by special arrangement, if you like. but evacuations are continuing a pace to 1,600 in the last 24 hour reporting period. that number going down still further today because the u.s. military are withdrawing their people. they're withdrawing under pressure, but they're not withdrawing in any speedier rate than they would have done otherwise, jim. >> all right, sam kiley, thanks for staying on top of that.
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joining me now is an afghan american and former counterterrorism adviser to the u.s. and afghanistan helping families navigate the chaos at the kabul airport through his connections in the military. some of the people you were trying to help, ahmad, were there at the airport when the suicide blast happened. you were just talking about this a few moments ago before going to this interview. do you have any kind of update on what happened to some of the people there and what can you tell us about that? >> as of right now, one is missing. helping, called me, one of them this morning. one of the babies are inside the base, the sisters and the mom are wounded in the hospital. so i've been working with other marines and texting the information to be able to rejoin the families. but working with the back channels, former and active servicewoman and man trying to help government get inside. the priority with u.s. citizens and green card holleders. last night, a big group of
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people with p2s and green card holders but that gate, i have had people sending me pictures that we are here until the people inside to let us in. but i'm happy that made it outside but one is missing and calling me, if there's any way you can find information. it's really hard at the moment. i called one officer who i was calling at the same time. see if these people are there. it's really rough and tough. the moment the crowd is not but the taller one with more control. i was speaking to one of the commanders earlier because the way i put the list, we make the list, send them inside and then pick to go to the airport. so telling me, not letting in. so i asked them to give me the number. i spoke to one of their commanders at the checkpoint. the third check point and he was telling me, no, we're letting people in as long as their name is on the list. stay away from the airport. the threat is there. isis would retaliate and it's
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impossible. all the gates were shut down at the moment. >> you've worked tirelessly to get more than 110 people out of kabul. what has that process been like and i guess it's become more dangerous now because of this threat posed by isis-k at the very end of this operation. >> it's really mentally not just me but the whole team, former and active. including my brother. i asked him last night. please, work on this because i cannot do it. a lot of documents. verify and vet. most important thing is over 315 quarterees, so we have to send them immediately. last night, i send the list. two of the families, one man inside one of the gates. with these, the number will increase to 135. >> if you're an afghan in the crowd at the airport and go through the taliban, what is that process like? >> it's impossible. if your names are not on the
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list, it's impossible. the taliban with the people if he didn't listen to them. the taliban unit that's surrounding the airport. one of the topnotch special force and control the airport but it's impossible, because the east gate, all these gates are the ones that the crowd went in the beginning, a lot of people got in through there. people were hoping to get inside. including the former chief of staff hoping to get inside. so the north gate, most of the people that got in have been on the other side, north gate where the turkish government have control. >> i know you were able to get your own family. people on the ground there were able to get your own family through the gate and out of the airport last monday. what are your thoughts as we remember the 13 u.s. service members, over 100 afghans, your fellow country men who died in
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those bombings on thursday. what are the thoughts that go through your mind? >> i was heartbroken. heartbroken. my entire family. telling me the names of the soldiers and the marines that held in the night. they had to plan special to get my family inside. devastating, it's really sad. all of these young 20, 21, 22-year-old marines to save lives and protect people. and then isis took their lives. really hard. devastating and some of the videos our organization and journalists went viral is somehow these young soldiers helping babies and then woman inside the base. so it's really hard. devastating. and i urged the biden administration. we have to avoid and prevent more chaos and tragedies. not only sending more soldiers to prevent isis-k from slaughtering thousands of people
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outside the gates but the troops by the walls. we need more people. if we have a good plan for this, this would have not happened. >> as the u.s. is pulling out, your country now faces the prospect of just having the taliban on the ground to deal with terrorists like isis-k. the u.s. could come with these over the horizon type of attacks but what does that mean for your country now? >> the resistant force, the new taliban. the history is repeating itself. four years of war. this is repeating itself. there is not that much in the international community to help. it's just, killed communists and afghans because helping the soviets, killed capitalists, that's what they called them.
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different players, but the same war. i think the future on the hands of the people and the same time, as a crisis. and sending for the children, the people outside the gates. refugees and the geneva convention and knowing these people have the right to departure and send your people there to help them because the taliban is saying, look, we're not killing anyone, but you're outside the gates killing yourself. so the future, either it's right or left. i think right is the piece, some sort of compromise or power sharing. the trajectory with everyone wants to rule. former president. one of the biggest reasons as a
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jou journalists, the centralization of power. if you have president biden and the administration with some sort of with leaders, you'd have some sort of strong government. >> thank you very much and all the best to your family as you get settled here in the united states and you'll continue your work on this very important effort. thank you so much. >> i need people's help. thank you. >> absolutely. coming up, we continue to monitor the major hurricane set to slam louisiana tomorrow. lieutenant general russell, the commander of the coordinating relief effort after hurricane katrina joins me live next. you're live in the cnn newsroom. not touching is still touching protection. adding lysol laundry sanitizer kills 99.9% of bacteria. detergent alone, can't. lysol. what it takes to protect. what's the #1 retinol brand used most by dermatologists? it's neutrogena®
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extremely dangerous. that is what the national hurricane center is saying about hurricane ida, which is expected to pummel louisiana tomorrow. ida likely will be a fearsome category four hurricane according to forecasters. the new orleans mayor telling people there, if you're going to evacuate, the time to do it is right now. 16 years ago tomorrow, august 29th, hurricane katrina devastated much of the gulf coast and russell was the commander of joint task force katrina. i'm sure a familiar face to all of our viewers, responsible for coordinating relief efforts and post hurricane new orleans, general, great to see you as always, we appreciate your expertise in this area with
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ida's landfall only hours away. what's your recommendation with this path of what looks like a terrible storm. >> listening to the local parish officials, encouraging people if you're inside the designated cone of uncertainty, particularly along the lower parrishs, jefferson parish. to evacuate, if you're in that area. so listen to the local parish officials. there's still time. the door will close to tomorrow as people will be restricted from being able to get out. get out now and check on your neighbors before you leave. leave no neighbor behind. >> right. so people could be stuck there, if they don't make plans to do the right thing and get out right now. the new orleans mayor said the
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city didn't even have enough time to issue a mandatory evacuation order for areas inside the levied barrier and the residents should get ready to hunker down for the storm. what does it mean for the people who live there? i remember this all too well. people having to go to the tops of their houses, punch holes in the roofs so they can hang out on the rooftops until rescuers arrive. i hope we don't see a situation like that all over again but is that a possibility? >> it's possible. the levy system has been reinforced. the corps of engineers did a great job to building a category three protection level. they put the gates in. the gates were the primary weak spot that we didn't have prior to katrina and the water entered the canals and the secondary levies broke.
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that's how water got into the interior of the city, and massive work has been done in terms of gates and locks to prevent the surge water from violating the internal levies that would go into the canals that are used for the pumps to pump the water out of the city. and all that is much improved at around $14 billion or $15 billion worth of work was done. so i think there's some confidence by many that having people in the city hunkering in place is a good guidance based on what the parish official is saying if you don't get out by tonight is what i heard them say and should always listen to locals. but we do this in the covid environment, jim, and the area it's going in is very dangerous. it's going between baton rouge and new orleans. a point that hadn't been talked about. 150 chemical and refinery plants between baton rouge and new orleans is commonly called alley. >> right, in that area, if it
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goes up into that area, there's a high concentration of people, as you said, a high concentration of industrial factories and that sort of thing in that area. the thing i get worried about, general, is new orleans being on the so-called dirty side of the storm that the most harsh conditions of this hurricane could lash new orleans because we're always looking at that top right quadrant when we're looking at a hurricane as it makes landfall. and i'm wondering, you know, getting back to those scenes of devastation during hurricane katrina, the aftermath of hurricane katrina, is the super dome ready to take in evacuees or are these shelters ready to take evacuees, is new orleans ready, do you think? >> the national guard mobilized 2500 troops. most of them will be positioned in and around the designated area by the governor and the general. they'll be prepared to immediately respond, but that being said, jim, that right
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front quadrant that you talked about. with katrina, most of the wind damage went to mississippi, as you recall. new orleans got water damage when the levies broke. in this case, new orleans will get more wind damage, more roofs off. in the lee via holds, we'll have to deal with the floor of the water and how fast it fall so the pumps could much it out. but this is not a good scene for new orleans at all. they're equally dangerous this time because they're on the most dangerous wind side of the storm with more surge water coming in. so this is going to be a real test for those category 3 levees. don't be surprised if you see some levees being overtopped. >> absolutely. and i was there covering hurricane katrina in mississippi on the gulf coast there. i remember the devastation when they talk about storm surges being as high as we're talking about in this situation, it is
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