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>> you don't want your fist experience in zero gravity to be in space. it's a. >>reporter: unique feeling. and this gives them the framework to understand it. >> i'm a little nervous. >> we all know that flying on a rocket ship is dangerous. but how dangerous are these flights? >> there's no risk or danger in what we do. we've flown 17,000 passengers over the last 16 years. not one injury. and not one issue. so we have all the same regulations safety, everything as that united flight does. >> oh. wow. oh. this is amazing! >> reporter: unlike jeff bezos or richard branson's flight, this is an air space of ten
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miles by 100 miles is cleared for g-force one flight. >> that's lot of talk about these flights democratizing space, is this experience the closest thing that a normal person -- >> absolutely. >> will ever experience. >> no one would say $7,500 is cheap. >> cheap, but it's accessible. >> a lot less than $28 million. what is the value of the weightlessness experience like? is this just for thrill seekers or is there real research value to these flights? >> right now i would say half of it is research and the other half is consumer facing. we have done things that are literally on the cutting edge for space. testing out how to do 3d printing in micro gravity. we've done experiments in how to animate freeze-dried blood to go out and test things in zero gravity or micro gravity in space prohibitively expensive and not realistic.
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>> reporter: now, brianna, the mission is set to be in orbit for three days and the crew they'll be orbiting the earth 15 times a day. and that was just a little glimpse of the training they've been training for six months. that training included climbing mount renear so the crew could bond and also mission simulations and centrifuge training. >> rachel crane, you are brave. thank you so much for that report. "new day" continues right now. welcome to our viewers in the united states and all around the world. i'm john berman with brianna keilar, it's wednesday, september 15th. overnight, landslide in california. governor gavin newsom crushed a republican recall bid that could have cost him his job newsom's aggressive coronavirus policies
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validated by democratic voters by a nearly two to one margin. the california governor thanked his supporters and warned about efforts to undermine democracy. >> we said yes to science. we said yes to vaccines. we said yes to ending this pandemic. we may have defeated trump, but trumpism is not dead in this country. the big lie, january 6th insurrection, all the voting suppression efforts happening all across this country, what's happening, the assault on fundamental rights, constitutionally protected rights of women and girls, remarkable moment in our nation's history. >> republican front-runner larry elder, who pledged to repeal newsom's coronavirus restrictions was quick to acknowledge his loss vowing to fight the loss in the days before the vote. >> my opponent, governor gavin
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newsom, come on, let's be gray v shous, let's be gracious in defeat. by the way, we may have lost the battle, but we are going to win the war. >> now, elder is not going away quietly. he is already hinting at a run for governor in 2022. let's bring in phil mattingly at the magic wall. phil, break this down for us. >> so let's start with the baseline. for the yes votes to actually have a shot at winning they needed an absolute perfect storm. this is a state where democrats are registered at a 2 to 1 margin compared to republicans. so that's a tough hill to climb to begin with. they needed apathy from the democratic side, surge in republican voters and needed independents to break their way rather sharply. none of those things happened. right now 70% reporting, 2.5 million vote lead for the no group. for the newsom group. look at the top line percentage, 63.9%. go back.
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state very democratic. what happened in 2020, joe biden 63.5%. what happened in the last race, 61.9%. so overperforming on a percentage basis. you can go county by county and see where the apathy didn't happen, the surge didn't happen. you can pull up the counties where newsom underperformed what he did in 2018 you see one. and that is a very small county. you see where he overperformed, six counties. he overperformed more than underperformed. that's the story why gavin newsom had a victory overnight. we have voter data in here, but i want to pull up some of the exit polling data we had. you heard governor newsom when he was talking in the sound you played really focus on the pandemic. focus on vaccines. in that exit polling you understood why. the most important issue for facing californians, covid. 31% above homelessness, it fighting wild fires and crime.
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covid policies 45% said they were right. 18% not strict enough, 32% too strict. getting the vaccine, we start to dig into those policies itself, 63% of those in the exit polls said it was a public health responsibility. 34% said it was a personal choice. and then this one was what really stuck out to me when i was going through the exits last night, mask policies. school mask requirement 70% of those in the exit polls supported it, only 25% opposed. if you want to know why the newsome campaign really focussed on this issue, they were looking at data that really correlated with the data we saw in the voters themselves. brianna? >> all right, thank you so much for that, phil. we'll check in with you throughout the show this morning. joining us now chris aliz sa. i want to talk about what california might mean for the rest of the country and what it might mean going forward. i get that every state is its own unique animal and not every
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state will have a two to one democratic majority advantage. however, chris, what we saw there was gavin newsom able to animate democratic voters in a special or off year election. that's a big deal for the in party and he did it two ways, right? >> yeah. >> covid, leaning in to covid mandates and masks and things and also trumpification. >> yeah. so let me take the second one first. because i think that there was a time six weeks ago where gavin newsom looked like he might be in a little bit of trouble, right? the recall was in the low 50s. his people were worried. and what did they do? they did everything that they could smartly to elevate larry elder and say you want this guy? this is a trump accolade. now as you say it's a hugely democratic state. so that argument works better than it would in plenty of places. but it does show the power still
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of trump to animate the democratic base, one of the best things that ever happened to the democratic base was donald trump. gets them animated. gets them into it which may be a key going into 2022 when we talk about the mid term elections and the base. i was surprised even when phil was running through this stuff. i was surprised about the extent to which covid drove voters interests, concerns and it was an affirmation of newsom's policies. 63% in favor of a mask mandate. again, some of that is california. this is not -- we're not talking about one of the swing states in the 2024 election. right? but i do think that gives another maybe argument for democrats to make the competence argument. hey, look, it's not perfect. we want zero deaths. we want zero people affected by this but we are the party that can competently deal with this in ways that will make your life go back to normal. so if i had to take away, those
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would be the two. >> do you see, jackie, other democrats looking at that as a lesson learned in using it in upcoming elections? >> yeah, brianna. i think we need to be careful using this as a mie owe come of using this as the political landscape at hand and drawing too much looking ahead to the 2022 midterms. joe biden is actually and more honestly admitting that he's looking toward a place like virginia gubernatorial race as more of an accurate bellweather. there are still lessons to glean from california for democrats and republicans on the democratic side as chris pointed out, you know, it's that biden's more aggressive approach towards the coronavirus in recent weeks implementing a vaccine mandate, federal government might actually be more winning message as a majority of voters are more concerned about the coronavirus. and that message could, in fact,
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resonate in swing year states as it did in california but as you and phil noted there are simply more democrats in california than republicans. but, on the republican side, i think that there are some serious lessons they could learn here which is that these foe trumpy candidates might not fly. of course, larry elders no arnold schwarzenegger, but you know, the herschel walkers, these candidates that we're seeing winning republican primaries are probably not going to be likely to beat more moderate democratic centrist in vulnerable democratic states with these anti-vax, anti-mask mandates. and i think that as we saw elder forcefully defend these trumpian policy decisions that didn't sit well with the california electorate and might not sit well with swing states. >> i think jackie makes a really good point. the reason that the 2003 recall
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worked for republicans is two things, davis was much more unpo unpopular. that one we don't have. but also because they had a candidate in arnold schwarzenegger who people wanted to see as governor. there was an opportunity that existed here for republicans. republicans are very unlikely to win the california governorship in a regularly scheduled general election for all the reasons we just outlined. it's an overwhelmingly democratic state. but in a recall like this, an opportunity did exist. but they had no candidate who could rally both the republicans and win independents and even some democrats which you need to do in california. and that speaks to jackie's point. the fundamental issue with the republican party. larry elder is what the trump base wants. but larry elder has no ability to run competitively against gavin newsom or appear as a credible alternative to larry newsome. >> phil mentioned that the
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newsom team was seeing data that suggested vaccine requirements. the idea of leaning into vaccinations and one earlier guest called it revenge of the unvaccinated. >> the republican position they have taken lately on vaccination ath ma some of the traditional bases of the republican party like the business community who wants to see a vaccine & in order to see the economic recovery that we have seen so far but that has stalled out most recently as vaccination rates have stalled out and can be potentially worrisome going into the fall here. but, look, the newsome campaign i was speaking with people all day yesterday, they were not actually worried at the end of the day and the last few weeks about the polling that they were seeing. and i think you know, it's again i think we need to be careful how far we take this california race in terms of looking ahead at 2022 midterms.
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>> he should have never gotten in this place. right? the truth of the matter is if gavin newsom doesn't go to the french laundry and get photographed the middle of the pandemic when he's telling everyone they need to wear masks. if he never goes and is shown in a big party without a mask on, i don't know that the organizers get the signatures they need to get on. it was a self-inflicted error the middle when everyone was paying attention to him. it never should have gotten to this point. but, i do still think when we put all the caveats aside, there are still lessonings to be learned particularly as jackie mentioned particularly on the republican side about what kind of candidates you can run and win. >> look, a democrat shouldn't lose in california like this, butly note that a republican should never have lost in alabama when doug jones won that senate race in an off year. so strange things happen. >> massachusetts has a republican governor. >> off year special election strange things can happen and a win is a win. gavin newsom won huge in this
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race. great to see you. thanks so much for being with us. larry elder made no mention of election fraud after last night's defeat after baselessly raising the possibility of sheen in begans of the days leading up to the final vote. joining me now is former attorney general alberto gonzalez and served as white house counsel in the george w. bush administration and dean in nashville belmont university college of law. so great to see you. larry elder conceded the election defeat last night. what's notable about that is that it was notable, right? it's a stunning admission about where politics is now when a candidate, a republican candidate, let's be honest, admits defeat after saying that he thought the election was rigged going in, that it's something of note. so what's your take away there? >> well, you know, i laughed but it's really a sad commentary if people don't have confidence in the results of an election, one
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must wonder why have elections? of course that undermines who we are as a country. and the thing that i'm most concerned about with respect to pushing the lie, you know, it formats i think the domestic extremists that we have in this country today and that president bush spoke about so rightfully, so truthfully on saturday. so that's the real danger about continuing to talk about what happened in the 2020 election. you know, it's -- we have such difficult problems in this country. and it's hard for people to come together and reach compromise when you can't even agree on what the truth is. and so we got some channels here. and it's a challenge for the leadership of our country but it's also a challenge for all of us individually as citizens. to really try to understand what is going on here. and to appreciate that there is a real danger in not accepting
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what is clearly the truth. >> we had a cnn poll that came out over the weekend that showed that 59% of republicans, this is 59%, basically 60% of republicans say that believing that donald trump won the election in 2020 was an important part of being a republican. so the majority of republicans say that that's now part, a foundational part, of being a member of the republican party. >> well, i don't know who all was included in that poll. but i think it's important for republican leadership, people in office, to talk about the importance of accepting the truth here and moving on. we have some serious issues and problems to confront. and you know, as i said before, unless we're willing to reach agreement on what is true in
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this country, we're never going to make much progress in solving very serious issues that confront all of us. so i worry about that. i worry about our party. but you know, both political parties over periods of time go through difficult stretches. what i'm most concerned about, as i said earlier, is that to the extent that there is belief in this lie that donald trump won the election, it is fomented this domestic extremism and that is a real danger for our country. >> there's a demonstration taking place at the u.s. capitol a few blocks from where i am in support of the january 6th insurrectionists. that's actually happening. the fact of it happening speaks volumes. i want to ask you about january 6th here. there's a new book coming out by bob woodward and robert costa. one of the things that happened since is reporting that mike pence wouldn't concede to donald trump.
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he wouldn't use the certification of the electoral college votes from around the country wouldn't stop it mid course and people saw that as mike pence standing up to donald trump. apparently according to this book at least, it wasn't a slam dunk for pence. he was looking for a way out or maybe a way to buckle to donald trump. and he called dan quayle. he called the former vice president of the united states and basically asked the former vice president who had to sit in the same chair after george h.w. bush lost. any way to get out of this? mike, you have no flexibility on this. none, zero, forget it, put it away. how do you see that episode? >> well, i think it's just as likely that mike pence felt very confident in his position that he had no flexibility here. but, nonetheless, because it was such an important decision and because the president of the united states was pressuring him, he just wanted to get confirmation from someone who has sat in that chair.
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so, you know, i have confidence in mike pence. i think he did the absolute right thing. and i give him the benefit of the doubt. i think what he was doing here was simply calling someone who had been in that same chair and just reaffirming his position. >> it was relentless pressure from the president of the united states according to this book donald trump told mike pence we can't be friends. we can't be friends if you don't overturn the election on january 6th. >> well, so be it. you got to do what you have to do. >> former attorney general alberto gonzalez, i appreciate you being with us this morning. >> thanks, john. up next, the top u.s. general who secretly reached out to china over fears about donald trump. the explosive allegations coming up in this brand new book. and breaking overnight, the biden justice department's new move to block a texas abortion law. later, the lawyer who police say planned his own shooting. get ready - our most popular battery is even more powerful.
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former president trump calling for general mark milley to be tried for treason after bomb shell revelations in a new book by bob woodward and robert costa. he feared president trump would go rogue and launch nuclear missiles after the january 6th capitol attack and called his chinese counterpart to assure them the u.s. would not strike or start any war. here is the former president's reaction. >> if it is actually true, which is hard to believe, that he would have called china, and done these things and was willing to advise them of an attack or in advance of an attack, that's treason. for him to say that i was going to attack china, is the most
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ridiculous thing i heard. >> joining us now is mark hertling, retired commander of the u.s. army europe and the seventh army. general hertling, there has been a lot of controversy around whether milley did the right thing, assuring, kind of assuaging concerns here of his chinese counterpart. some see this as actually him tipping off an adversary. how do you see this? >> i don't see it at all that way, brianna. having been in that role. both the middle east and europe, hand holding of allies when things are going on in the u.s. government. but it's amazing to me first how many people are suggest to include the former president suggesting general milley resign or be committed for treason before reading the details in the book, not understanding how senior military leaders always talk to their counterparts, friend and foes alike and in
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fact, that's a beneficial part of our national power equation. and who don't understand the role of the chairman of joint chiefs. from what i understand the book also says, are that the pentagon also related that not only did general milley talk to the chinese, people's liberation army leader, general li, but he also talked to many government officials in europe, several ones that are very -- that were very concerned after the january 6th insurrection about what was going on in washington and could they depend on the stability of the united states government. >> you know, i know a lot of people look at this and they say this is -- they think it's unusual. right? they maybe disagree with you on the assessment of this, but this also raises questions about why milley was worried about a military confrontation with china or why the cia director was worried about a possible military confrontation with iran. what concerns does that -- do those revelations raise for you?
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>> none at all because what i'll tell you is milley probably did not just pick up the phone and say, hey, get general lirks on the phone. i need to talk to him about how the united states is not going to attack. he was likely getting intelligence from the national security agency and the cia saying that various countries were probably very concerned about what was happening and the instability of the united states. how do i know this? because i had to do the same thing. i often got phone calls from allies in europe saying, what the heck is going on in the administration to include during the obama administration when the phrase pivot to asia was used by some obama administration officials. i got a deluge of phone calls not just from the military members of nato nations but from leaders of government. one i recall georgia said what is going on in washington that you're pivoting to asia where we still have the russian threat. so this is something that military commanders do. they talk to friends and foes
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alike. and a little secret, brianna, i'll tell you, don't tell anybody this, but i actually talked to my russian counterpart, military counterpart on several occasions, much the same way general milley did to his chinese counterpart. >> i have to set the scene for some of these discussions that were going on before we discuss whether this was the correct way to address some of this, but one of the things had to do with this was the situation where after the election donald trump had actually signed a military order doing an end run around the whole national security apparatus with the assistance that would have withdrawn troops five days before he left office. that would have been objectively nuts that would be dangerous and bad idea and chaotic. milley knew this. that is the scene that is set really for him saying to military commanders, hey, if there's going to be a military
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strike, just remember we have to loop me in. he's going seems like around the table telling them this. can you just walk our viewers through the process of a strike or a nuclear code process. >> well, i can't because that's classified. but i will tell you that from -- >> i tried. >> from my understanding of the book, as the authors reported, general milley pulled his generals together and that was the first thing that i questioned of which generals is he pulling together. is he pulling together the members of the joint staff, the various service chiefs, the commander of strategic command which actually launches the buttons or is he pulling together the one-star generals in the national military command centers who are there 24 hours a day that are required to transfer orders from people in the white house. these are usually in their first assignment. my thought is he probably pulled
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them together and said, hey, look if you get any direction from the white house, let me know, pull me into this. who is it coming from in the white house. is it coming from the president? is it coming from a couple guys who drafted this notice that the secretary of defense or the national security adviser didn't even see? hey, let me know because those new one-star generals could be intimidated by a call from the white house. so, we don't know who general milley talked to when the author says he talked to a bunch of generals. maybe that's further ewillabora in the book. when you're talking about launch procedures. there are two major types and this is unclassified. there's the launch procedure which says, hey, there are inbound missiles from an enemy country. we have to respond right now. and in that case the president, the secretary of defense with chairmans advise really talks about what they have to do. there's the other type of potential exercise and this is
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practiced quite a bit, where there is the potential for an enemy nation or a country about to launch a strike when you are talking about either a pre preemptory strike or countering a strike. that's the time when the chairman as the primary military adviser gets involved in dits cussing the kind of military actions and the legality of the act. now certainly there has to be a requirement for a legal action of launching a device that could kill hundreds of thousands of people before you actually launch it. i think that's what general milley is saying. let's get our procedures down. let's make sure you're not taking any stray electrons from the white house and let's make sure we got our act together if something does happen. >> yeah. look, we have more to learn from this book for sure. i really appreciate you giving us your insight, general hertling. >> thank you. >> i like you trying to get the
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nuclear codes. >> he didn't give it up. kudos to him. >> you'll end up in custody. >> i wish he said, though, i could tell you but then i would have to kill you. >> we have an hour and a half left in the show. >> could happen. still ahead the moment that trump told pence do this or, quote, i don't want to be your friend anymore. which i sometimes say to berman, but that's another story. next, who is not included in the nba's new covid vaccine plan. i've always dreamed of seeing the world. but i'm not chasing my dream anymore. i made a financial plan to live it every day. ♪ ♪ find a northwestern mutual advisor at
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♪ some good news to report on the coronavirus front this morning. at least better news, right? the world health organization is reporting that there were nearly 4 million new cases across the world in the past week. which sounds like a lot. it is a lot. but it's the first substantial decline in weekly cases in more
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than two months. joining us now cnn chief medical correspondent dr. sanjay gupta. sanjay, put these numbers in perspective for us. >> well, as you point out, it's the first time now in at least eight weeks that we started to see some declines. we don't know if it's a trend yet. everyone hopes that it is during that same time when he had about 4 million cases around the world in the united states alone, we had close to 950,000. so we're still representing about 25% of the new cases in the world. but, case numbers going down there as well. death rates also going down in the americas overall. 9% down. down in southeast asia. 20%. a little bit up in africa and flat in europe. so these are all the sorts of signs that the world health organization is sort of paying attention to, trying to get an idea of where we are. we got to follow these lines a bit longer, but it is encouraging. the first time we had encouraging news.
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there's also this renewed effort and interest in really committing to the world's vaccination. we're probably going to hear from president biden next week urging world leaders to commit to vaccinating 70% of the world by next year. now, you can see where we are now. right now in the world it's about 30%. 30.7%, i believe, of the world is vaccinated. so, we got some work to do to get to that point. but i think when you put it all together, you realize it is possible. manufacturing has gone up. you see the vaccination rates overall in the world. now for the first time really over the past few months rising above the united states, which means we probably need to be doing more vaccinating in the united states as well, but the world is slowly catching up. >> all right. let's talk about the nba. i think a lot of people are paying attention to this decision that players will not need to be vaccinated against covid-19. the thing is staff and referees are required to.
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so, you know, why is there this double standard? >> well, you know, cutting to the chase, i think this was a negotiation. i think scientific policy recommendations were that everyone get vaccinated, obviously. and most people are. even if the mandates aren't in place, most people are. but, i think this is a negotiation between the player's unions and the leagues over this. what is interesting is that it's exactly, as you say, there's not mandates for the players. there is mandates for the surrounding personnel. in two cities in new york where you and san francisco because of local ordnances players who are playing home games will need to be vaccinated. players who are visiting, visiting players, do need to be vaccinated so the new york knicks, the brooklyn nets, golden state, those players will need to be vaccinated to play home games. but even visiting players will not. so it's going to be a bit confusing. there's all these recommendations and certain mandates in place.
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there's going to have to be twice a week testing. there's going to be face masks when players are sitting on the bench. as i mentioned in certain venues which may increase outside of just san francisco and new york, there may be mandatory vaccines for fans that are attending the games as well. but that's sort of where we are right now. sort of still figuring it out, i think. >> sanjay gupta, thank you very much for that. nice to see you. >> you got it. so senate purgatory. that is what a number of president biden's key nominees are trapped in at this moment. and the senators trapping them there? john avlon with the reality check. california voters provided the answer to the clashes iconic question should i stay or should i go on behalf of governor gavin newsom, many biden administration appointees are singing the jimmy cliff song sitting in limbo. even with the democratic president, house and senate, a massive number of biden's
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appointees are being blocked by a handful of republican senators. just yesterday missouri senator josh hawley a charter member of the sedition caucus, commanding the resignation of biden's secretary of defense and secretary of state he would stall any new civilian appointments in those departments. don't threaten to leave national security understaffed if you don't get what you want. especially when that same senate hawley was tweeting back in april, that president biden should withdraw troops in afghanistan by may 1st as the trump administration planned. it's time for this forever war to end. hypocrisy is not going to both bother the guy who called on president biden to resign for implementing president trump's withdrawal strategy. if you really cared about
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national security, you wouldn't be part of holding appointees hostage. get this, as of september 10th, only 26% of president biden's nominees for senate confirmed. national security posts were filled. that's according to analysis by the partnership for public service. by comparison, before the terror attacks of 2001, 57% of president bush's national security nominees had been confirmed. and that was considered a scandal at the time. it was a key criticism of the 9/11 commission finding that because a catastrophic attack could occur with little or no notice, we should minimize as much as possible the disruption of national security policymaking during the change of administrations. by accelerating the process for national security appointments. so much for applying the lessons of history. now hawley's tantrum builds on partisan obstruction from his fellow sedition caucus member
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senator ted cruz. it's absurd to hear republicans say the biden administration is giving putin a gift after four years of trump's refusal to criticize putin on anything. it's part of a pattern. rick scott, republican senator, who also voted against certifying biden's win was so concerned about illegal border crossings he threatened to put a hold three department homeland nominees this spring. people who could have been helping to solve the problem sooner they gotten faster senate approval. the system wasn't made for these hyperpartisan times. they're unwieldly 1,200 plus senate confirmed positions that need to be filled by incoming administration. that's increase of 59% since 1960. according to the partnership for public service. now they're tracking 801 of those positions. to date the biden administration has seen 130 of these confirmed by the senate. while 218 are sitting in limbo
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waiting for confirmation. and another 223 haven't even received a nomination from the administration. got too many challenges to face as a nation to have our federal government fighting with one hand tied behind its back. senators have a problem with the specific nominees qualifications, that's fine. but the abuse of senate holds to block whole slates of nominees is an obstruction obsession. and it's no surprise to find the prime culprits are members of the sedition caucus because this is another attempt to stop the biden administration from fully taking office. and that's your reality check. >> yeah. avlon, you look at some of these appointments that are being held up, one is a top pentagon official who works on homeland security. and so you have people like josh hawley, who are criticizing the biden administration, they're saying things like, oh, afghanistan is going to become a threat. but then how do you take them seriously when they're not willing to put in place people
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that would actually mitigate a threat that they're saying they're sounding an alarm about? >> you don't because it's cynical, self defeating circular logic. >> john avlon, thank you very much. >> take care, guys. up next, what donald trump heard from kevin mccarthy just before joe biden became president. and the lawyer now accused of trying to orchestrate his own murder. ♪ limu emu & doug ♪ got a couple of bogeys on your six, limu. they need customized car insurance from liberty mutual so they only pay for what they need. what do you say we see what this bird can do? woooooooooooooo...
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so in the new book "peril" about the tumultuous final days of donald trump's presidency, we learn that in the aftermath of the january 6th attacks on the u.s. capitol, trump had another conversation with house minority leader kevin mccarthy. this time it was the night before biden's inauguration. according to the book, mccarthy told trump i don't know what's
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happened to you in the last two months. you're not the same as you were for the last four years. you've done good things and you want that to be your legacy. call joe biden. let's discuss with i don't know what's happened to you the last two months, he said. it's like a break up. what's your take away? >> i just need to vent a little bit about this book. how many times have we seen this? where bad things happen and then long after the fact, people with special important information go to reporters and set up maybe the public or perhaps the impeachment committee with that information. i mean, i don't think this kevin mccarthy conversation necessarily raises to that bar, but certainly what general milley had to say and was saying behind closed doors with relevant information that should have been disclosed to the impeachment committee, he is talking explicitly about concerns about the president's state of mind in those crucial
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final days. and i'm not going to sit here and say that necessarily his testimony would have moved republican senators, but maybe it would have moved one or two, and that has important meaning because the impeachment proceedings could have barred president trump from pursuing future office. it would have disqualified him and we wouldn't be in this continuing nightmare worried about donald trump's second term, which is a possibility because joe biden only won by 44,000 votes in three states. the electoral college board, of course. >> i want to ask both of you about another part in the book. you know the part. trump says, if these people say you have the power, wouldn't you want to? he's saying this to pence. and he's referring to supporters outside the white house, right, who are making noise in support of donald trump. pence said, i wouldn't want any one person to have that authority. trump, but wouldn't it be almost cool to have that power? pence said, no, i've done everything i could, and then
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some to find a way around this. it's simply not possible. trump, no, no, no, you don't understand, mike. you can do this. i don't want to be your friend any more if you don't do this. what do you think? >> i've been there in middle school, heard that. i do want to agree with amanda about the timing when these bombshell books are published and we learn all this stuff. it's the pattern in this town where you find out things after the fact that could have been useful earlier. moving it forward, this conversation is a perfect illustration. if you want to extricate your self from the future of trump as a party, leaders like pence and mccarthy have to stop doing this humiliating dance with him, which i don't understand why people put up with. and he does -- he actually has a personality -- does respect people standing up to him occasionally. i would just do that more often. by the way -- >> he doesn't want to be his friend. mccarthy wants to be donald trump's friend after all this.
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>> the other thing is, too, pence actually is cognizant there are limits on power. trump was not. he wasn't interested in what those were. he wasn't interested in how the constitution divides it up. pence is. then he talks to dan quayle. there's no work around. let's stop finding work arounds which is the correct action. he doesn't want to be a friend. >> it's an out. mike pence could have said, mike, why don't you say, okay? >> stand up to peer pressure. >> mike pence didn't need to consult dan quayle t. was obvious to anyone that mike pence did not have the power to overturn an election. but this nonsense went on because people like kevin mccarthy and all the rest said, let's let this play out. what is the harm in doing so? the harm is even mike pence entertained the possibility. >> look, we can fast forward past the book here, and i think this is relevant to what you're bringing up right now. chris christie gave a speech at the regan library the other day
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where, i think he was trying to separate himself from trumpism. the reason i say i think, he never could manage to mention donald trump's name. he couldn't say it out loud. now, i know, amanda carpenter, you take issue with some of this. i know because you wrote about it. i'm going to do a dramatic reading from your own piece. christie's bogus blunt talk, you talk about christie spoke last week. he listed all the things republicans need to do to move forward -- the party forward in a positive direction. you say -- that's the question. where's the quote? >> if there, got it. >> if there is any positive to take from christie's regan liner speech, if you squint the right way while the sun glints off feces. trump is making the calculation at least for now, at least in the abstract there is political advantage in appearing to distance the republican party from trump and trumpism. >> hope you didn't have breakfast. >> that did catch me.
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i will tell you, oh, did not see that coming. >> you know, maybe let's give him a chance. he was so close to trump. he is a calculated political player. i watched the speech. he had this long list of things republicans need to do, namely, confrontsing this conspiratorial thinking that has infected the party. but he couldn't name trump. meanwhile, that same weekend donald trump is pushing the rigged election conspiracy claims. christie, if he wants to sit in the abc news studio and tell that to a panel, fine. go take that message to newsmax, try it out at fox. i don't believe it. then when he's confronted about those claims that he made talking about the need for passionate engagement, he throws up his hands, i don't have to answer to you. you have to answer to republican voters like me who don't believe you. >> so, two things. i think he should acknowledge his part in this, and that is
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what -- how you claw back being a credible messenger. you do need different messengers for different voters. christie might be that messenger with a segment of republican voters who believe this because he was close to trump, right. so explaining that and giving him a chance to do that is part of allowing people to stop doing the humiliating dance and attempting to be besties with donald trump. so if i see a little bit of that, i'm going to know exactly where you were during 2016. but i'm also going to let you talk to folks hoping you might change their minds. >> just noted, chris christie was there all the way through 2020. i think a fair deal for every media appearance, chris christie made promoting donald trump, i want him to go and sit and television camera he should be disqualified from future office. that would be fair. >> i predate my opposition so people know where i was. >> what about saying the name? chris christie -- you think he should say the name out loud? >> especially when people say, you know, liz cheney can't give
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up this thing. trump can't give up this thing. so point that out. say his name. he's sending press releases. end of story. >> i agree. >> amanda, mary catherine, thank you so much to both of you for a spirited discussion. >> great to see you both. a lot like the view, isn't it? >> we have some breaking news the california election results are in. we're going to break it down. plus new details about the white supremacists arrested near the democratic national committee, including what he told police. ♪ si acelero no me paran ♪ ♪ el viento pega en mi cara ♪ ♪ si acelero no me paran ♪ ♪ el viento pega en mi cara ♪ ♪
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after crushing a republican-led recall attempt. newsome's tough coronavirus policies validated by the state's democratic voters who said, no to the recall by a nearly 2-1 margin. the governor thanking his supporters and sounding a warning about attempts to undermine democracy. >> i think about just in the last, you know, few days, the former president put out saying this election was rigged. a democracy is not a football. you don't throw it around. it's more like, i don't know, an antique vase. you can drop it and smash it in a million different pieces, and that's what we're capable of doing if we don't stand up to meet the moment and push back. >> republican front runner larry elder took a page from the trump playbook in the last few days. he has suggested the outcome of the election will be affected by


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