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think back, how is there not a protocol that that's the point where you're supposed to bring a psychologist in or something? how is that not a breaking point? >> she tried not to let the scandal define her. you have to hear more on the pod podcast. we could be just an hour away from a vote in the house of representatives that will pave the way for democratic lawmakers to deliver on what got the president elected, or we might not. the whole thing could crater. we're joined by congresswoman jayapal. she certainly made those promises to make child care more
affordable, make paid family leave the law of the land. it's all in accordance with a spending bill that, agree with the politics or not, would map out social benefits since medicare. whap what happens in the next hour or so could pave the way for that or it could scuttle programs, perhaps kcripple the biden presidency and leave people vulnerable in the next election. as they try to pass another infrastructure bill by the senate, they say it must pass before taking up the social spending bill. progressive democrats say they won't vote for it without commitments on social spending. and two moderate democrats, joe manchin and kyrsten sinema are the two democrats holding it up. now nancy pelosi described this
today as constant invigoration. she's been keeping up pressure from her wing in the party, congresswoman jayapal. congresswoman, glad to have you on. where does the infrastructure bill stand? is it still on? >> good evening, anderson. i don't think the infrastructure bill will come to a vote tonight because i don't think there is a deal yet on the reconciliation bill, and that is what we've been very clear we need if we're going to vote yes on the infrastructure bill. the reality is there is a whole group of people, people who need child care, people who need paid leave, people who want housing, people who want action on climate change. this is all part of the build back better agenda, which is the president's agenda. we've got the president's back here. i know he's been working very hard to try to negotiate with people in the senate. the 4% who don't agree with this
agenda that we as democrats ran on and won on and delivered the house, the senate and the white house. if i had to bet, i would say there's not going to be a vote toe tonight. >> one source said nancy pelosi had success turning democrats to the yes column. do you think it's stalled on this page for the moment? >> i can think of five i have confirmed are not true, so, you know, i wasn't going to tell them to you, i'm just saying there is at least five in the last 40 minutes i've had to dispel and i have dispelled. so i can just tell you that right now there are not the votes. there is no pressure coming from the speaker to this because she under understands. as she said, this is for the children. she wants this build back better agenda just like the president does and like 96% of democrats do. >> you don't think she'll bring
it to a vote tonight? >> i don't think so, anderson. of course, anything could change. even if she does, there's just not the votes there. you know the speaker, she does not bring a vote to the floor that's going to fail, so i would highly doubt it. and i think that's an opportunity for us to get back to work and figure out how we're going to get agreement on this build back better agenda, and then, of course, all of us will vote for both bills and deliver it to the president's desk, the agenda he laid out to us when he came five months ago to capitol hill and asked us to help him deliver on that agenda. >> there is a lot of -- been a lot of talk that senator manchin has been closed off about what he wants for the spending package. i think last time you and i spoke, you said -- i don't want to quote you incorrectly -- they haven't really come forward with what they want. manchin floated a $1.5 trillion price tag earlier this month to dana bash.
manchin proposed one to schumer back in july to limit the spending package to $1.5 trillion which he and schumer signed. do you accept that that's the figure he has been putting forward, and if so, what do you think about that figure. >> look, there's just no deal on the table. i talked to senator schumer today about that piece of paper because i wanted to know what was dpgoing on, and the senator made it clear to me that that was what senator manchin wanted him to see and he saw it and he signed that he saw it. i believe the senator. so there is no deal on the table. remember, this has to be a deal that not only manchin and sinema will agree to but all of us in the house will agree to and all the rest of the senators. >> is anything near 1.5 trillion acceptable to you, because you're talking about 3.5 trillion. >> anderson, why would i negotiate against myself? >> i know, but i have to ask
these questions. can you just take us behind the scenes right now? just for folks watching at home, what is going on now? is it speaker pelosi calling people, you calling people, others -- you know, house members? how does this work? >> no, i mean, really, the speaker had some meetings with us. i know i and a group of progressives met with her earlier today, i've spoken to the white house today a couple of times. i've spoken to a lot of my progressive caucus members who want to know what's going on. and that's really what it's been about. i think that the real negotiating is happening between the white house and between those two senators and perhaps with the speaker's office and those two senators. >> so that's where the negotiation is, it's between the white house, manchin, sinema, perhaps speaker pelosi as well. that's where the heat of this is right now. >> that's right. that's right. and i've spoken to a number of senators as well.
you know, i think we all understand that this -- the transformation we can offer to the country is why they voted for us in november. if we can offer just a small sliver, 85% of the president's agenda is contained in the build back better act. anderson, i want roads and br bridges in my district, too. the people aren't going to remember the road, they are going to wake up and know they can have child care where they couldn't have it before. or that they have 12 weeks of paid family leave. or their kids will have a planet to live on because we're actually taking action. those are things that are in the build back better agenda, and it's why we won't leave those things behind. >> congresswoman jayapal, thank
you. we'll talk to cnn's van jones and cnn's dana bash. i want to askplay back when you were talking to joe manchin, dana. >> once you have a tax cut you can complete globally, then you can look urgently. >> you just said 1.5 thrill on. it sounds like 1.5 trillion is your number. >> when we have a competitive tax code, it doesn't help the working person that was done in 2017. that's in the 1 and 1.5 range. you need to ask what does it take to meet the needs that we haven't met? >> that was september 12. is it fair to progressives to continue to say that he and
senator sinema have kept in the dark about what they want, plus this new "politico" reporting about what manchin and schumer want, which congress woman jayapal said it doesn't seem to amount to much. >> what was in that memo three weeks ago is what he told his leader about 1.5 trillion. the thing we have to remember is we're talking about one big, as they say in washington, top line number. the thing progressives do have a point about is they have not been clear about what he wants in terms of what matters, which is the policies that add up to and make up that so-called top line number. so one of the things that they have realized in these behind-the-scenes negotiations, and it has taken a while and i'm not really sure why, is that what senator manchin doesn't want is a broad so-called safety
net package. he wants it to be means tested, meaning he wants whatever they put into this to be as targeted as possible to those who need it the most. talk to progressives like the one you were just talking to, the chair of the progressive caucus, and they say, wait a minute. how can we be sure if we keep it too narrow and too targeted that we're going to get everybody who needs it? and the bigger picture, and van jones knows this better than the three of us together, what you're seeing here is progressives using their numbers and their leverage in a way that i have not seen in the democratic party and as part of the democratic conversations i've been involved in in washington. >> van jones, talk about that. according to congresswoman jayapal, the progressive democrats, talk about their
position and what you're seeing happen now. >> for once the progressives have the numbers and also the polling data on their side without precedent. everybody in d.c. is talking about the numbers. but in the country w, what peop are talking about is the opportunity to actually get some help out here. people are hurting. this is not going well. people are having a very hard time putting food on the table, and people who have jobs are being squeezed between not being able to take care of seniors who need a hearing aid and can't get it, who need dental care and can't get it. there are kids who need daycare and can't get it. while people are playing these games with these phantom numbers, people are out here hurting, and progressives are hearing from the grassroots in a really major way. also this is not the democrats being dysfunctional. that is really not what's happening. the democrats are united.
ch kh krysten s-- kirsten sinema is being dysfunctional, but they're responding to what they want. it is a once in a lifetime opportunity to deliver on stuff that they have not delivered on before, and they would be foolish to back down at this point. >> speaking of kirsten sinema not functional, looking at it through the lens of a voice count they received from the number of republicans in their districts, they want to be reelected, i assume, or continue in power. manchin is coming from a state that trump won. is that really what's going on here, is the people they represent are far more conservative and they wouldn't survive this? >> it's that, but i can say in
the case of senator manchin, it's also that it's his personal philosophy. you heard him out talking to reporters earlier today, and he was saying, look, if prog progressives want more progressive agenda items and policies, then they need to elect more progressives. he is being very open about it. yes, it is the fact that he represents ruby red west virginia, and it is an anomaly in some ways that he represents that state, and it's because he is so well known. but it is also because he believes it. what's really interesting, anderson, is that if you look at the state of west virginia, there are so many of his constituents who could benefit from a lot of these programs -- >> yeah, that's what's so interesting. >> -- that the biden white house wants to put forward. but they also fundamentally, idealogically don't believe, a lot of them, at least the ones
joe manchin is talking to and that he's one of these, that it's the government's job to be this expansive. and that is the idealogical, philosophical conversation we had. >> van, what's so interesting about that, you hear people say, look, i don't believe in socialism, but medicare, don't take that from me and don't take social security. there are things which now are looked at through a certain lens as just being what, you know, is totally acceptable and a part of democracy that when it was first instituted there were people just like the folks manchin are talking to who said, well, this is a government overreach. >> yeah, it's true. and i think that that is the opportunity for joe biden in the modern democratic party, is to upgrade those middle class programs that everybody now believes in. i remember during the tea party era, they said keep your government hands off my medicare. at some point these programs will be in place and they will be seen as american as apple
pie. >> van jones, dana bash, appreciate it. next if we receive a vote, if there's going to be one, a live report from the white house. and whether khirsten sinema is the democrat they voted for. and the new body cam video that describes the physical encounter between gabby petito and brian laundrie.
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the white house, the two senators and speaker pelosi. >> reporter: yeah, anderson, that's where the heat has been the last several days. congresswoman jayapal saying she doesn't think a vote is going to happen tonight, and if it does, it could fail. i think the fact president biden did sign that government funding bill earlier tonight that funds the government through december 3rd is really a sign of how fluent things are around here. they had him consider doing that on camera, that meeans he's goig through questions with reporters on negotiations that are h happening on capitol hill right now. they're letting speaker pelosi try to get those votes so they could potentially have a vote on the infrastructure bill tonight instead of having the president go on camera and talk about this. they're kind of sitting back and seeing what happens like the
rest of them are. >> president biden has met with his staff many times. does the white house really know what kirsten sinema and joe manchin want? >> reporter: they said they've talked about what they want but they are not saying it publicly. after it was revealed, senator manchin signed a document about that with senator schumer this senator really speaks for itself. we've been asking basically every day, what is the top line number? does the white house know what that top line number? . they wouldn't even tell us that, and that's because the president has had one goal the last few days, let's get senator manchin and senator sinema on board. >> thank you, appreciate it. we're now hearing what
kirsten sinema says. >> reporter: under the lights, two american pastimes play out acc baseball. kirsten sinema used to represent this area in politics. when you see kirsten sinema do what she's doing, what do you think about it? >> it's one thing to go against your party, but you need to let people know why. >> transparency has not been a constant theme. sinema says she's motivated by being an independent voice and supports a bipartisan approach. sinema was elected by a thin margin of just over two percentage points. emily kirkland was part of an
army of progressive activists who worked to get sinema elected. sinema said she knocked on doors it turn out voters for the future senator. >> where are you now with the senator? >> incredibly frustrated. just so angry and disappointed. in part because it feels like she's just doing what corporate donors want and she's not listening to voters. >> reporter: kirkland points to what happened in march, when sinema walked into the senate chamber, and with an emphatically expressive thumbs down voted against a bill to create a $15 an hour minimum wage. sinema said she supported past minimum wage increases, but it should not have been tied to a covid relief bill. still, they blasted sinema for listening to corporate donors rather than the senators. sinema then posted this of herself on instagram with a ring
that says, f-off. >> she's been saying f you to people, which really doesn't make me want to elect her. >> over a happy hour beer, fran tells us she's been a lifelong democrat who voted for john mccain, but she doesn't see sinemas being the next maverick. >> she and joe manchin are running for miss congeniality in the senate. we're unhappy with what we thought she would bring to the table. >> reporter: sinema has caught the attention of republicans like christina murray. just before her son came to bat,
she said sinema's actions make her not wanting to vote for her in the next election. >> we don't want somebody to be in lockstep with their party. >> reporter: the way senator sinema is acting right now, you seem surprised by what you've seen. >> absolutely. because, like i said, she's not falling in line with the gang, you know, it's just she's thinking for herself, thinking critically, and don't we want politics to think critically and actually represent their constituents. >> ed lavandera joins us now. what does kirsten sinema have to say about this criticism from the constituents? >> we reached out to her about the criticism. a spokesman said that sinema had always promised to be an independent voice for the senate, and she's delivering on that promise and she's not hiding who she is. progressives in the state feel like she has changed
dramatically. rem remember, sinema started in arizona politics about a year ago with an activist in the green party. so this shift comes as a real shock to people since they hoped sinema would be one to take advantage of this majority that's in congress right now. up next, the gabby petito murder investigation. we have a new body cam video that gives kind of a fresh look at what happened when police pulled over petito and brian laundrie back in august. we'll also hear her describe what he did to her that led to that 911 call. we'll be right back.
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what? >> well, like he had it with his nail which is why it cut me. sdpltz we learned about a search for brian laundrie from phone ca calls. what do we know about it? >> it was august 12, it's about 32 minutes long, this body cam video. there were four responders who answered that call, four officers were dispatched, so this is a different officer's body camera. sadly, it's the same disturbing picture of what was going on between them. you can see she's visibly upset, she's if the back of the car, crying at times in the video. he's sort of joking and smirking with the police officer. he does call her his fiancee in the video. he says he doesn't want her to be taken to jail. but you have to remember, this is august 12, anderson, as you
said. just a couple weeks later we know from speaking with another witness, there was another incident in a jackson, wyoming restaurant where she was also visibly upset and crying and he wass -- was very angry with the witness and soon after, her body was found. you have to wonder what was going on. >> and what's happening with the search for laundrie? >> investigators were back at the house in north port, florida. they've been there before, but fbi agents came there today to get more information on the search for brian laundrie. they said it was to help with the canine so they could have items to help smell and try to findlaundrie. whether he's here near the home is still unclear.
they took a brown paper bag until the house and they returned without it. they did go through the family's camper in the driveway and that they had taken camping. they went in will for a short period of time and then they all left, anderson. >> we talked about a camping trip that laundrie took with his parents. that was right -- was that right after he got back without his fiancee? what more do we know about it? >> right. so we know from the family attorney, the laundrie family attorney, confirmed to cnn that the parents and brian laundrie took a trip to fort de soto park which is about an hour or so north of here on september 6 and 7. but just today we got new records from pinellas county that roberta laundrie, brian laundrie's mother, had made arrangements for two people to go camping on december 2nd and
3rd. that appointment was made on august 3 and it was canceled september 1st. it makes sense he would have been on the road driving to florida. the question is why was it canceled? did he call his parents and tell them he was coming home without gabby? did he tell them why he was coming home without gabby? these are questions that need answering. but we know that they made a new reservation on september 3rd to go camping again. >> regional future task force in new jersey, thank you for being with us. so brian laundrie reported home around the time gabby petito was reported missing. does that help investigators at
all? >> good evening, anderson. thank you for having me on. apparently it was the petito family that was quite concerned about gabby and rightfully so. she wasn't responding to any phone calls or communications, so they called brian or the family to try to locate her with no response, so they called the non-emergency number. that's the way that went down. >> clearly the fbi were back at the laundrie' house today, according to the laundrie family attorney, collecting information to use for, perhaps, canine searches. just big picture, where do you see this investigation? does it seem from the outside that they really have a sense of where he may be? >> i mean, i think they're just leaving no stones unturned. if they believe or they got another tip or the investigation
is leading them back to the carlton reserve, they want to be prepared, they want a canine to get that scent inside these dogs who are fabulous. they hold these scents for over a week and they can track and hold it for 100 miles. >> they can hold a scent for a week? that's incredible. >> bloodhounds do. i think it's closer to two weeks once they get onto that site and it gets in their skin. it remains with them for a long time. they're phenomenal to work with, and heavy terrain, wooded areas, if he is still in this reserve like they think he is. aviation support, thermal imaging, night vision, that stuff is not going to work well, so canines are much needed. >> in your experience, i guess every case is different. someone on the run, though, do they nearly always have help or someone they talk to or someone they contact? >> i think this particular
fugitive, he's off the grid. he's gone dark. if he's in the woods, he's trying to lay low, not communicating. he's certainly sleeping with one eye open. he's not going to call anybody at this point. i wouldn't think so. i would be quite shocked because fugitive investigators, they're all over that trusted circle of friends, like i said, family, the parents, they're turning the world upside down. if he makes that mistake and makes that call, it will be all over. >> there are many who doubt ebhe could stay in there this long. >> i agree with him. i think the whole deal about the ford mustang. he tells his parents, i'm going to this reserve. he jumps in the ford mustang and goes up to the carlton reserve. he's hungry, goes down a deer trail, triggers a deer camera. takes a photo, hello, world, this is me with my backpack. then he disappears. however, two days later, the
parents show up and they take the mustang back home. what, did they want him to walk home after he was done med meditating? it didn't make sense to me. once he grabbed that photo and turned around, he might have jumped in a buddy's car and he's in the wind. it's anybody's guess. up next, california braces to become the first to mandate health care workers to get vaccinated for covid-19. i'll talk to a nurse who has not gotten her shot and if he's willing to lose her job over it. . only from fidelity.
the vaccine mandate went into effect for health care workers in california today and it appears to have compelled tens of thousands of vaccine employees to get vaccinated in recent weeks. more than a dozen of the state's hospital systems show vthere wee vaccinations this week of 90% or higher, but that leaves 15% without getting vaccinated. why are some so reluctant to get vaccinated? dr. sanjay gupta spoke to one nurse who refuses to get
vaccinated. this was in chicago? were you surprised about what she told you? >> i feel so far at this point about everything that i know about the vaccine, if i have enough time with somebody, i can convince them. i can answer their questions and i can convince them. especially when it comes to a health care worker, someone who lives in an environment that is surrounded by good information and good knowledge about this. what i learned talking to her is there is a lot going on here. listen to part of the conversation. >> it shouldn't be a choice between a personal health care decision and, you know, the job that we love. >> you would lose your job over this. >> obviously, it's heartbreaking. it's almost like a grieving process, to tell you the truth. >> reporter: andrea is one of millions of people that could get vaccinated but she won't. she's been a health care worker for 12 years.
>> ever since this mandate came out, many are leaving health care in this specific hospital. we're not just talking nursing department, we're talking the eas, which is the housekeeping department, dietary, laundry, respiratory therapy department. >> reporter: about 85% of the staff have been vaccinated, but a small group has instead staged protests at the hospital, including andrea herself. one of her specific concerns? blood clots. >> if you were my patient. let's say we were having this conversation in a patient room instead, i would say, look, i hear your concern about clotting, but if you have a clotting disorder, you should get the vaccine because you would be at increased clotting if you got the disease. >> you know very well with this pandemic, this vaccine, this virus, the science is constantly changing. and i understand that science is changing as we find out more things. >> but i think with the vaccine, i think when you have close to 6 billion shots that have now been
administered around the world and you have data, trial data from last year, that shows the safety and the effectiveness of these vaccines and then real world data over the last nine months, it really does make a strong case. >> i'm not anti-vaccine, i'm not anti-covid vaccine, but at the end of the day, informed consent is what we all honor in nursing. i've stood up for a lot of my patients over the years that have been pushed into something, and it's their body, it's a choice that they should make for themselves and that i should make for myself. >> as a doctor, i'm very familiar with informed consent, but with all your knowledge as a nurse, don't you draw a line when it comes to a contagious disease? the idea that you're working in a hospital where there are sick and vulnerable people, and you could potentially be the carrier of a virus and not know it because you might not have any symptoms -- >> i've had multiple coworkers test positive for covid in the last pugh weekfew weeks that ar
vaccinated. i think a safer option would be regular testing for all of us, vaccinated and unvaccinated alike. >> i'm not saying this obviates testing or wearing ppe and all those things. you wouldn't say i'm not wearing a seat belt because i have an airbag. of course you would wear a seat belt. i know a guy who wore a seat belt and still died, therefore they don't work. you as a nurse are most equipped to understand and know and learn and preach, quite frankly, rather than selling this doubt. it worries me. it worries me about where we go now, and it worries me about where we might go if there is another pandemic. i have to leave it with just saying, i think you should get vaccinated. will you think about it? >> will i think about getting vaccinated? >> yeah. >> i feel like i've put a lot of
thought into this already. as far as right now, i have no plans to get vaccinated, but i'm willing to keep the conversation open with -- still listening to others' point of view. >> is there anything that would convince you to get vaccinated? >> not at this point. i guess never say never. >> it's fascinating. just factually speaking, first of all, i don't quite understand what her argument is to not get vaccinated. you mentioned the blood clot thing, which doesn't make sense. but also when you ask her a very rational question of, well, you're around people who could be infected if you're positive and don't know it, she said, well, that's why i think regular testing is far safer. but as you said, you can be vaccinated and still get regular testing, just, as she said, people that get vaccinated have it. but even if she got covid, if she's vaccinated, she is less
likely to transmit it to somebody else and the covid she has is less likely to harm and kill her. >> no question, she's less likely to get infected, she's less likely to transmit it to someone else, and one doesn't necessarily preclude the other. you could do both. i think she's a rational person, you know, the conversation was a long one, it was 30 minutes long. it's important to point out that the vast majority of health care workers at her hospital and most hospitals around the country are vaccinated. in some places 99%. so this is a small group of people we're talking about here. but what was so interesting is that ultimately after really dancing around this for some time, i really thought i was going to be able to convince her. i felt like, how could i not be able to convince this person? it wale c it really came down to the mandate for her, that it felt too authorauthoritarian, they'r telling her what to do. >> that's what i got out of it,
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a once well-known person in the former president's inner circle, corwin lewandowski was always there with the president leading the superpac until now. corwin lewandowski has the details that led to his ouster. >> reporter: he repeatedly touched me inappropriately, said vile and disgusting things to me, stalked me and made me feel fearful. those are comments from michelle odom, allegedly describing an encounter with corwin
lewandowski at a chairman's meeting over the weekend. she said he touched her legs and buttocks and made obscene comments about her. still, they moved fast to push out the insider. he will no longer be associated with trump world. the combative former aid to donald trump has long been a light nipping rod. in the 2016 race as campaign manager, he was accused of yanking a female campaign manager. he denied it and then a video appeared. >> he clearly touched this person, whether you think it's battery or not. >> what do you mean, battery? >> he touched her.
>> he touched her arm. >> reporter: lewandowski was fired, anyway. >> from your perspective, why were you fired? >> i don't know. >> reporter: the next year he was back in the circle where he was accused of swatting a woman's bottom during a party at the trump hotel in d.c. yet he steamed on as a prominent defender of trump, raging about the russia probe, and like his boss, seemingly oviscerating the truth. >> i have no trouble being dishonest with the media because they're as dishonest as everybody else. >> it's not clear he can come back again. with such accusations against a big donor, it appears he might have gone too far even for team trump. >> we shall see. just ahead, victims in the
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-- cost him. he has two lawsuits brought against him. these default cases are rare in the legal world and they're related to the lies that jones has spread about the 2012 shooting. twelve children and six adults murdered that day. we won't repeat jones' lies here just to say that they were lies. a lot of them. a jury will be convened to determine what jones must pay in damages. cnn has reached out to attorneys for the plaintiff in the case. alex jones' attorneys have declined to comment. the news continues. let's hand it over to chris cuomo for "cuomo prime time." chris? >> ordinarily the relief sought is what's granted. that's the risk in not doing what you're supposed to do, in other words, defaulting, so we'll see. appreciate that. let's see if there's history on our watch tonight, my brother. this is a big night. i am chris cuomo.