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all right, thank you for watching "don lemon tonight" with big star d. lemon right now. what do you want to start with? >> i want to talk to you about the alligator because you're obsessed with that video. the italian saying, look, i'm black and italian. >> i think he said, i'm italian and black. >> it is indicative of what's happening in washington, d.c. is what i'll say, and that is what nancy pelosi is trying to do, wrangle all the democrats together in order to get this
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passed so they don't snap victory from the jaws of defeat. >> or defeat from the jaws of victory. >> it's the craziest thing. they're in power, they can get this through. there should be some compromising as there always is, and, listen, meet somewhere, do some things, do what the alligator guy did. get it together, people. >> that guy has seven daughters. >> we said the same thing. as i was rushing up to get here, that was the last thing i heard you say. he said, i have seven daughters, and i said, seven daughters. as soon as i said that, you said, seven daughters? that's the heroic thing he's done in his life. >> he said, this thing is not going to be around my kids, and then he released it, which was probably a better lesson to the kids than him even capturing it in the first place. but it is an interesting dynamic. i've never seen the likes of it with the democrats. this will be an historic
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achievement no matter what the number is. and i wonder if they get that? it's also, i believe, a seismic shift in the party. the progressives are in control. it is no longer about aoc. i know the media loves her and she certainly makes a passionate case. pramila jayapal is the one calling the shots. >> and joe manchin. i just got a bit of news here. this is reportable, right, producers? it's from lauren fox, one of our big pro dducers here. joe manchin in a quote said, i don't see a deal tonight. he em emerged after an hour in hideaway with kirsten sinema and his officials. he doubled down on 1.5 trillion but when asked about prospects, he said, i don't see a deal tonight. kirsten sinema wants to see how
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the senate votes, and as soon as they vote, she wants her people to rush to the floor and vote so that the no's will be recorded fi first. >> right. manchin says, i don't see it. bernie says, i don't want to see it. jayapal says, you're not going to see it. they had to call some 70 participants and all the progressives said no. even some members of the cbc, i'm being told, the congressional black caucus. this now makes a very interesting question, not about the dynamic, not about the result, because they're going to make some deal. the leadership. schumer nowhere in this discussion. pelosi, only a question mark in the discussion. why did she force this? what was the strategy? is she in touch with the people who are calling the shots in the party right now? it's a really interesting time for them, but if they get anything done like this, we will have never seen anything like it since the new deal. >> yeah, and guess who is going to be here until the wee hours
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covering this if they actually do get to vote. we don't know. it's still up in the air. >> you will not have to stay late tonight. >> don't jinx me, okay, chris? don't say that. let's just say we'll see. let me say this. i think that, and i'm just conveying what's being said in washington. progressives are tired of waiting. they're saying, look, we need all that infrastructure and things in order to compete. we need child care, we need all of those things. we are tired of waiting. we keep giving our -- we keep giving leeway to the moderates in the party, even though the moderates in the party are winning most of the elections around the country. but progressives are saying it's high time, and if we can't get it done now, when are we ever going to get it. this is our chance, so that's how they feel. to me i'd rather have something than nothing. you know what i'm saying? >> this isn't just something. the lowball figure --
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>> is good. >> -- is more than ever has been spent before. 2016, i know ilt's a couple cycles before, but when hillary brought up 700 billion, people were like, why don't you just say a gazillion? this is twice that. >> if they go back to their districts and they say, we worked really hard and we got this much, this was really tough, and we are going to remain in power, we're going to be here and there is going to be more because our party is going to get bigger, our influence is going to get bigger. we will have the power to do more. just you wait and see, rather than say, hey, we got nothing done. we didn't get it. i don't get it, chris, but i have to move on and figure it out. >> i think it's proof. not to keep beating the same situation. two parties no more. two parties no month. that democratic party is not one party.
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they can say we've always done this, paul begala tonight. no way. i've never seen the democrats run the train like they are. no criticism, it's just the state of play. they better be very clear how they'll pay for it because there will be a big push from the right about this being the most epic spending of all time. socialism. >> this is when the dramatic music plays in the movie. that's where we are at this point now in real life. thank you, chris. >> i look forward to watching you at 3:00 in the morning. this is "don lemon tonight." we are awaiting a promised house vote on president biden's infrastructure bill. in a new dear colleague letter to her caucus, nancy pelosi writes, and i quote here, discussions continue with the house, senate and white house to reach a bicameral framework
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agreement to buy back a reconciliation bill and they tell me there won't be a vote tonight. the president you see there remains in the west wing, getting updates from his team. this is all up in the air, nobody knows what's going to happen. we don't know now. we're getting information from our sources, from our reporters and producers and correspondents on capitol hill. the clock is ticking. the speaker is saying she'll only bring that bill to the floor if she has the votes to pass it. progressives are saying she doesn't have the votes to pass it. president biden's own party threatening to blow up his domestic agenda, his own party, and all of this is about placating manchin and sinema. manchin who says he doesn't see a deal tonight. i just reported that to you. he doesn't see a deal saying his
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massive bill is $1.5 trillion, which is a long way off from the $3.5 trillion the president laid out. manchin said he told the president that. >> he was really sincere. he would like to have a lot more than that. i said, mr. president, i understand that, and i said, hopefully you can respect this. he said, hey, joe, i've never asked you to go against your con v convictions. >> that very same thing manchin threw out himself to dana bash. >> will it be 1, 1.5? we don't know where it will be. it will not be 3.5, i can assure you. wherever it is, once you have a competitive tax code, then you can compete globally. >> you just said 1.5.
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it sounds like 1.5 trillion is your number? >> if we have a competitive tax code from a non-competitive that doesn't help the working person done in 2013? if that's where it is, shouldn't you be look being at what does it take now to meet the urgent needs that we have that we haven't already met. >> so joe manchin told democrats what he wanted and they just didn't listen. they were saying sinema and manchin should tell us what they want. apparently joe manchin did. chuck schumer knew that was manchin's number. in late july they both signed a letter obtained by "politico" that made clear manchin's number was $1.5 trillion. now here we are. we're on the brink of the president's agenda blowing up all because of his own party. okay? so let's get to it, the folks who are experts on all of this. there are they are in the thick of it.
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joining me now, senior reporter kaitlan collins and ryan nobles. we're almost into friday and there has been no vote. nancy pelosi sent out a new letter. talk to me about it. >> don, that letter really isn't offering us much clarity in terms of where this is headed tonight. i talked to three different sources familiar with her writing saying we shouldn't interpret this letter to say there is not going to be a vote tonight. it says, it has been a day of progress in search of building back better. work is being done. discussions continue with the house, senate and white house to reach a bicameral framework agreement to build back better through a reconciliation bill.
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that means it could still play out tonight, and we have seen officials from the white house, senator bernie sanders coming out to clearly come to some sort of agreement. again, this is all playing out on the senate side, don. on the house side, that group of more than 50 progressive lawmakers held a zoom call amongst their members where they continue to hold firm that they're not going to vote yes unless the bill is passed in the senate. that's not happening tonight. so it is still hard to see. at this hour even though the lights are still on at the capitol how we get to a position where they're able to vote on this bill here tonight. >> so, kai kaitlan, to you now the white house. the president is paying close attention to what's happening on capitol hill, and possibly going on a trip to convince people to
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move. it's a crucial moment for his agenda. what else can he do to get people to reach an agreement? >> don, his entire goal all week was to get senator manchin and senator sinema on board, so they could get a deal tonight. but here it is, 10:00 on your show, and they still haven't reached a deal. normally they would have left by then. so the white house is waiting to see what will happen here. the aides are still here in the west wing, the lights are still on. normally we can't expect any more presidential appearances today. typically the lights go off at 6:00 or 7:00 p.m., and they have not done that. the white house was hoping earlier there could potentially be a vote tonight. they were waiting for the house to wrangle those progressive lawmakers who were saying they were going to vote no, as ryan
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was just pointing out. it does seem as time goes on that it seems less likely a vote is going to happen, though people are waiting to see what is ultimately going to be the end goal. we should note, though, even since this morning, aides here at the white house were tamping down expectations for a vote tonight, saying if there wasn't one tonight, in their opinion, don, it wasn't the end of the world. >> i'm trying to remember the last time we were doing in, kaitlan. i think the last time was probably for the insurrection when we were waiting for them to certify the election, we were up this late at 10:00, stationed at the white house and the capitol. and the time before that, i believe it was when the president and the first lady tested positive for covid. w we were all up this late waiting. >> don, we have had some late nights together on this show. i know you wanted me to come back. you're in cahoots with them, aren't you? >> you and i were here late for
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the donald trump bill. we were here until about 3:00 a.m. >> when we are here, there's always suspense and drama and breaking news that we're reporting. i'll get back to you to see what happens, so please stand by. i want to bring in our chief political analyst gloria borger. gloria, good evening. there is still no clarity what's going on, even with nancy pelosi's note. democrats are still trying to cut this last ditch deal but tensions are running high. it's not a good look or a good time for the party, is it? >> no. well, it's not a good look at all because they look like they can't get out of their own way. this is stuff that joe biden was talking about when he ran for president, and he's also supposed to be the president who can unite both wings of his party, and for some reason he's really been unwilling to wage kind of a public pressure
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campaign on members of the house or members of the senate. he prefers, as a former senator, i think, to do this privately. but it seems to me that while nancy pelosi is the one who has been pushing this, because very often legislatively, deadlines work. we all know that in our lives. you put a deadline before someone and say, okay, we have to get it done before this day, and sometimes that can be kind of helpful. tonight, i think, a deadline is really working against her, because while they may be working on some kind of framework, i was told earlier in the day by a moderate democrat, these progressives are saying, well, why should we buy into this, we don't really know what's in it? and that's what caused bernie sanders to go off and say, huh-uh. we can't buy this. i would urge all the progressives in the house to vote no. that's causing a real problem, so my guess is that this gets
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delayed, although i know it's dangerous to guess at this point, and that they try and work something out. and if they succeed, as chris cuomo was saying earlier, if they succeed, it's going to be a very big deal no matter what it is. >> gloria, rather than put a deadline to it to put some urgency to it, why put on this self-imposed deadline, was it just to put some urgency to it and say, you must do it now? >> right, it wasn't a real deadline. it didn't mean anything except pelosi wanted to set a date, and if the date has to move and people in the white house are hinting at this, and i just talked to a moderate democrat who said, you know what, we just need to get the buy-in from progressives so if this has to
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slide into next week, we just have to do it right so that the party can unite. i think that this deadline in the end kind of works against them because we've all been watching this under a microscope, and you know, as legislation gets done, it's not pretty, and the democrats are feuding publicly, and that's not good, it's not a good look for joe biden, it's not a good look for the democratic party, and we're all watching it. so this really doesn't help them, and what it does is it makes the public look at the fissures in the democratic party and say, wait a minute, whose party is this? is this the party of the moderates or is this the party of the progressives? and, you know, that's a difficult question to answer. i know chris has been saying it's now the party of the progressives certainly more than we have ever seen, and they have decided to hold firm. and whether a deal can be struck remains to be seen, but it will be a big deal if they get it.
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>> it's interesting, because when democrats win, it's been moderates. there were some progressives that won, but the party is mostly moderate, except you wouldn't know that from what's happening now in washington. >> and that could be a problem. >> gloria, i want to ask you, because the person who is really tamping or helming the progressives' part in this is pramila jayapal asking progressives, and i quote, to stick to the plan. that is a bold message to put out publicly as the house speaker is furiously, feverishly trying to get everyone on the same page. >> right. i mean, look, she's saying don't cave. we've come this far, we have our priorities. we need to make sure -- >> do they mean it? >> i think the progressives mean
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it. they're doing it in public, which is always difficult, and they're taking on the speaker in a way, and they're taking on the president in a way. but, you know, i spoke with a democratic pollster who said, look, we swing together on this. if the democrats can't get out of each other's way and fail to pass something, the infrastructure bill is 70% popularity. there is a lot of stuff in the build back better that is hugely popular. medicare, prescription drugs, child care benefits, you know, on and on. if they can't do that, then they can't govern. so this is a governing moment for the democratic party. and they have to prove, no matter what that number is, that they can get something done and that they can tell the american public what they did. we're not hearing enough talk, i don't think, about what's in this bill for americans.
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and think if they do more of that and they pass something, we can say we did this on our own. we didn't this with republicans. >> i'm trying to figure out the logic. i don't think the average voter, the voter back home or progressive or moderate, our conservative democrat will say, i'm not going to vote for you because you didn't get 3.7 or 3.5 as opposed to 1.5, they're going to say, i did the best i could. do you see what i'm saying? >> i do, but what they're wanting to know is what did you do to lower my prescription drug costs? what did you do to help my family medical leave? what did you do to help with climate change? >> isn't that what they want to hear? >> exactly, but the progressives believe that's not enough. so maybe there's compromises there. should you means test some
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benefits, for example? so there are lots of ways that progressives and moderate democrats can get together on these things. they just have to figure out what the price tag is. i don't think they generally disagree on the shape of something, they just kind of disagree on the priorities here and how much it should cost. so it's an argument they're having and it's a family argument they're having in public, and that doesn't do joe biden any good, and it could turn into a huge problem if they can't figure out a way to come up with a number that's somewhere between 1.5 and 3.5, and then tell people what they're doing for them. >> all right. well, gloria, i just got word we have someone waiting on the other side. thank you, gloria. i appreciate it.
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representative stacey plaskett is going to join us. there she is right now. the president's agenda is hanging in the balance. you know she gives it to you straight. she doesn't beat around the bush. right after this break. m. so we made a plan to turn bath time into a business. ♪ ♪ find a northwestern mutual advisor at
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. we're back with breaking news. don't go to sleep because we are waiting on the house vote tonight on the president's bipartisan infrastructure bill, but time is running out. joining us is congresswoman stacey plaskett. good evening to you. i know you want to focus on the timing and the deadline. am i wrong? >> i know we spent a lot of time talking about the win, and what we really need to be talking about is the what. what is contained in both of these bills? i think there is broad consensus among moderates, conservative blue dogs and the progressives that both of these bills need to get done. now, the size of what needs to get done within them is what we're discussing, and we're ha having a family discussion about that right now. you all just seem to be seeing
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our kitchen table as we're having that discussion that's led by our speaker nancy pelosi. i believe at the end of the day, whichever day that is, whether it's late tonight, tomorrow or the next day, we're going to get that done because we all believe we have shared values that the american people want this. and, you know, we talk about it being the budget reconciliation being 3.5, but we don't talk about the fact that so much of this is already paid for. i sit on the house ways and means committee. we're responsible for $2.3 trillion of this, and we had pay-fors for this legislation being from corporate -- raising corporate taxes as well as raising taxes on the 1%. we have committed that no one pay making under 400,000 are going to have their tax increases. we see with the expanse of the child tax credit, we've been able to cut child poverty by 50%. and we know that each year we lose productivity in the amount
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of $500 billion in productivity due to child poverty. >> so i'm just going to channel what everyone at home is thinking. if you have these pay-fors, and you know more about this than anyone watching television now, because you're in it every day. if you have all these pay-fors and you're having a family discussion or even a disagreement about it, what is the holdup? then the second part of that is, isn't this a question of governing for democrats? first part, what's the holdup? >> i think the holdup is us gr agreeing to the scope and the size of how big we want to go. i don't think anyone believes we don't want to get this done, and no democrat doesn't want to make this happen. i think what we need to agree to is the scope of what we have a firm agreement on, the framework, as speaker pelosi said as to what we're going to
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do in the budget reconciliation so that individuals who are progressive or otherwise feel that casting a vote for one will indeed also bring them across the line to the second. because all of us want to make sure we get that done for americans. and i think the other thing you're seeing us do is also make sure which ones are the priorities and how we're going to make this happen in the time frame that we need it to get done. i sit in the house, which is very different than the senate. i'm not going to speak as to what the discussions that senator schumer is having with his democratic colleagues and what they need to do to ensure that, but you can believe that on the house side, this is a discussion that we're having. when you talk about governing, listen, the democratic caucus is, as everyone knows, a wide tent. and that is our strength, that we represent what america truly
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looks like. we are not a monolith, we are, in fact, the full breadth of america. and because of that there is massaging that needs to be done to ensure that we're all on the same page so that we can deliver for the american people. >> so folks at home are saying, okay, great. again, if nancy pelosi can't whip the people and get them to go for it, if the president can't do it, can't get members of their own party together, then why are they there? why aren't they governing -- >> we are together. we are together. >> you are? >> we are together as to our shared values as to what we want to get done. the size and the timing and the breadth of it is what we're working on right now. you just happened to see the sausage being made out in the public, but you can believe that we're going to serve up a dish to the american people, we're going to give them the meal they have been looking for. we know during this pandemic, one out of four women have lost
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employment. we know what child care is necessary. you know, in terms of equity for african-americans, home ownership and creating generational wealth. those are all things we're all looking for and that's in the budget reconciliation. >> you know i have limit time, right? you get it. you are a vocal supporter in the provisions of the spending package that you just mentioned, including family paid leave. so the question is -- >> remember, i'm not a progressive member. i happen to be in the new democratic coalition. >> so, then, what is at stake here if this collapses or drastically shrinks? do you think it's not going to collapse, you don't think it's going to drastically shrink? >> that's a subjective term, drastically shrinking, right? what i consider drastically thinking may be less than you. if we get 3 trillion, $1.7
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trillion budget reconciliation, that is still a seismic shift and an inflection point and a generational shift in what we can deliver to the american people. along with the 1.5 billion hard infrastructure deal that's being done. 2.3 of this is already paid for. >> do you think there will be a vote tonight? >> we'll see. i think that members are ready, ready for today, tomorrow, you know. we're ready. come on, don. come on. >> representative plaskett, thank you. >> we have our shoes, our jacket on and we're ready to go. >> i appreciate the crown. you want to talk more about the braves? >> yes. i'm just so grateful to my colleagues in the house judiciary who voted out the crown act which is giving voice to so many of us african-american women and other women who have been discriminated against, our daughters who have had difficulty having their natural hair, having their beautiful
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hair be as it is. i've had locks, braids, cornrows, you name it,' been there. i've had the angela davis afro. but i'm grateful that we are recognizing that there is discrimination that's done even against our young daughters in school, and that we are standing um a up against it, so thanks to all of them who voted this out. cory booker has the bill on the senate side and i'm opening we can bring it to the president's desk. >> okay. thank you for that, and we may need you tonight so don't go far. i appreciate you joining us. thanks so much. we have a lot of breaking news, as you know. we don't know what's going on with these evaluations happening on capitol hill that would make or break president biden's agenda. what is happening? we don't know. stay with us.
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we're back now with breaking news. what about president biden's agenda hanging in the balance? we don't know what they're planning to do with these bills, the bipartisan infrastructure bill and the reconciliation bill. a man about washington, you've been here before.
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good evening to you. you've been here before. >> good evening, don. >> offer some insight. we have waited all night. it's looking like a mess. no vote yet. how do you see it playing out, brian? >> if i had to predict, don, i think one of two things is going to happen. one, either nancy pelosi will bring to the floor -- >> brian, stand by. i'm getting some information. hang on one second. i just to want triple check. this is reportable, right? that was my mask. so no vote tonight. that's what we're being told, that there will be no vote tonight. let me see if it's in my in box. i'm being told by producers no vote tonight. what does this mean? in the broader sense of the term. >> this is not surprising. what i was about to say was one of two things was going to happen. either they would hold the vote on this bipartisan infrastructure package and it would fail on the house floor.
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or realizing it would fail, it's better off not to hold the vote tonight. it seems like the latter course is best, they're going to delay the vote. now they're delaying it again. i think, don, in the way this works, this is progress for president biden and the white house in the follow sense. today i think the holdout senators like manchin and suinea and a few holdouts in the house, realize the progressives, like jayapal and the ones she represents in the caucus, will hold onto their support for the agenda. now they have to come to the table to talk about the so-called build back better plan, the $3.5 trillion reconciliation package. i think actually we'll see negotiations kick in in ernest in a way that wasn't happening
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the last several weeks. joe manchin ask knd kirsten sin would not even say what number they would support -- >> joe manchin said 1.5. >> that's another reason why i count today as progress. >> wbrian, with the breaking news, please stand by. pardon me, i really don't mean to be rude. stand by because i want to bring kaitlan collins in with the breaking news. kaitlan is at the white house as we have brian standing by. kaitlan, what do you know about the breaking news. >> don, ryan and i have been on the hill all day long. they've been going back and forth between the white house and the floor. they are not going to come to a decision tonight. it seemed pretty obvious this morning when we heard from
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progressives that they didn't have the votes to get this infrastructure bill passed tonight, and nancy pelosi said she would not bring a vote to the floor if they did not have the votes, and this is the conclusion they've reached. despite these late night talks that have gone on between top white house aides who have been on capitol hill, in senator schumer's office, in speaker pelosi's office in the last several hours, but now they have decided there will be no vote tonight as tonight and they will reassess this tomorrow about whether a vote will happen then. indications this is coming to an end at least for this evening. president biden has returned to the residence tonight. aides stayed at the white house, because they weren't sure, don, if he was going to go up to the hill f it required that, after a lot of lobbying going on trying to get senator manchin and senator sinema on board with the framework those progressives wanted to see. clearly that was not the case, and you were seeing progressives like pramila jayapal not to make
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a vote tonight, and if they did vote to vote no. >> senator manchin also urged his people to vote it down. i want to get to the press secretary for clinton's campaign. brian, what's up now? >> well, what they've been negotiating the last few hours tonight was trying to reach a framework on an alternative to the $3.5 trillion reckonciliatin package. so pelosi with her house moderates and assumeer with manm -- schumer with manchin and sinema was trying to figure out, could we at least put an outline to the $3.5 trillion package that you could say you would nominally support and go to the progressives and get them to vote for it based on the outline? they've not been able to come up with that outline tonight, but
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the good news is they finally have manchin and sinema at the table talking turkey, talking details about the $3.5 trillion package. are we going to end up with something closer to 1.5? are we going to have free child care in the bill? are we going to have free community college on the bill? are we going to have the tax credit? everything president biden campaigned on is happening in ernest. i do think this counts as progress. >> brian, you sound like -- i don't know if you had a chance to listen to stacey plaskett who was on just before you, before the break, saying, look, we agree. we're having a family discussion and you're in on the kitchen table talk right now, the idea that we're not together on this, she doesn't believe it's true, she's saying it's how big we're going to go. you believe they're going to come to an agreement and this
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timeline, this deadline is just arbitrary? >> i do. the timeline really is arbitrary and the truth is 97, 98% of the democrats serving in congress want to pass both of these bills. they want to pass the bipartisan infrastructure bill and they also want to pass the rest of the biden economic agenda. so these progressives you keep hearing about in the house led by congresswoman jayapal, these are not people holding hostage for the sake of things like medicare for all. this is not the bernie sanders campaign agenda they're trying to insist upon. they're trying to insist upon the moderate proposals that joe biden campaigned on. these are very popular 75% supported by the public ideas, like expanding the family tax credit for families who have kids under six. you would get $3600 extra in your pocket every year for every
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kid under six. they want that extended the next four years. that's a very real economic impact for households, and so pramila jayapal and the house democratic caucus who are standing by this bill, they're saying we want the most robust version of that child tax credit, we want the two years of free community college, we want measures that really confront climb change, and joe biden wants those things, too. so i really think that at the end of the day, this is not a battle between half the caucus on one side, the so-called progressives, and half the caucus on the other side. 97% of the democrats serving in boelt t both the house and the senate want to pass both of these measures. you literally have a handful like less than 10 fingers of people holding up the package. two of them are sinema and manchin in the senate, and because they only have 50% of the senate, they have outsize sway. but because of democrats that have to run purple senates in
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2022 want the build back better program. i think by the end of the day they'll get there. >> caitlyn, i want to know from you, now what from the president, if you're getting any more information. before we go to break and we come back with our breaking news, we are being told there will be no vote tonight on the infrastructure bill. no votes tonight and back tomorrow. we'll have caitlyn and brian on the other side of this break. more on our breaking news. testes we've stopped counting. and built our most punishing test facility yet, in our effort to build the world's safest cars. we've created crumple zones and autonomous braking. active lane keeping assist and blind spot assist. we've introduced airbags, side curtain airbags, and now the first-ever rear-mounted front-impact airbags. all in the hope that you never need any of it. ♪ ♪
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okay. so, we're back now with our breaking news tonight. no vote in washington on the infrastructure bill or bills in the house and senate. so i want to bring in now brian foul letter and kateitlan colli back with me. kaitlan, now what for the president? >> that's a good question.
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officials say these talks will continue tomorrow. we'll see if they get any closer to getting a framework. this is a chief complaint you heard from someone like senator bernie sanders tonight. he was worried about what this was going to look like, calling it absurd at times. he was frustrated with the idea they were going to settle on something tonight so they could get to the agreement to get to that infrastructure vote. whether or not they try to vote tomorrow remains to be seen. i don't think this morning aides thought they would be going this late into the night to get to a vote and not get to one. they thought speaker pelosi would delay the vote earlier in the day. and they're leaving all this up to her, don, because she's the one negotiating with these progressives. yes, it's president biden who is the chief person working with senator sinema, senator manchin about what this topline number is going to look like. but now they decide to come to this remains to be seen. they think they'll get the infrastructure deal passed.
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they think they'll get a reconciliation bill passed. but, don, what they've been saying is "some version" of the reconciliation bill. that is far from certain and we will find out more. it is notable we haven't seen the president on camera talking about this. we could potentially tomorrow. >> i'm just looking here. i just want to make sure -- i have another question for brian. the reporting we have pelosi delays vote on house infrastructure bill after house negotiations. ok. so, the question is, brian, does it matter if it's tomorrow or monday or tuesday or wednesday or next week? does it really matter you think? >> well, you know, don, in a certain way i would be surprised if there was a vote tomorrow either. and i wouldn't completely rule it out, but i guess i would be surprised. here's why. because at this point, what the progressives' position is is don't just come to us with the back of an envelope, you know, chicken scratch proposal about
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what joe manchin says he might support in two weeks when we get legislative language because we don't trust him. congressman paul and house progressives and progressive senators in the senate do not trust that sinema and manchin will vote for the larger build back better package if they surrender all their leverage and just vote for the highway bill now. what they want to have happen is have these bills pass in tandem. they want to see the senate move and pass the full reconciliation bill and then they'll pass the bipartisan highway bill. and so it's just -- it's hard to imagine that with all the negotiations that are happening late into the night tonight on capitol hill with brian deese and other white house staffers, with chum schumer's staff and with pelosi's staff that they're going to come to a meeting of the minds on the full scale and scope of the build back better reconciliation package and they'll get manchin and sinema to say yes to it such that
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progressives are convinced that it's real and will then release their votes for the highway bill. short of that, you're asking progressives to take a leap of faith and assume that joe manchin and sinema can be trusted to vote for something down the road if they vote for the highway bill tomorrow. >> i've got less than 30 seconds before break. i know you want to jump in. go ahead, kaitlan. >> i just wanted to say look at the level of negotiation. manchin and sinema met about 45 minutes. you saw white house aides on capitol hill for several hours in schumer's office and nancy pelosi's office. the question tomorrow is whether or not they covered enough ground to get to a vote. >> very well stated. i lucked out having both of you here for this. i just happened to be in the middle of an interview with brian and kaitlan got up in front of the camera and helped us out with the breaking news. we're going to reset, everyone. thank you very much. we're going to reset and get to the top of the hour. we don't know what's going on
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because there could be more information that comes out whrks they're going to vote on it, if it's going to be tomorrow, what the president does next, what nancy pelosi or chuck schumer or joe manchin or kiersten sinema, we have no idea. more breaking news, no vote tonight. we'll be right back.
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-- captions by vitac -- this is don lemon tonight and the breaking news, the house will not vote tonight on the bipartisan infrastructure bill, that decision coming down within the past 20 minutes after a day and night of intensive negotiations. no vote tonight in the house. so, let's get right away to cnn's congressional correspondent ryan nobles and white house corres


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