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laundrie was being surveilled by police before he disappeared. so how did he slip away? and we're just minutes away from the monthly jobs report. this is a big one that could tell us how badly the delta variant stunted the recovery and how much longer until a full economic rebound. good morning to viewers here in the u.s. and around the world. it is friday, october 8th. and if there is one picture to sum up the state of congress, it is this one, democrat joe manchin head in hands listening incredulously or maybe dispairingly to democratic leader chuck schumer. a scene out of washington's latest flirtation with economic calamity that let's just call mr. mcconnell or how i learned to stop worrying and embrace the debt ceiling. some of senate minority leader
mcconnell's own republicans accusing him of caving to democrats as he delivered the necessary gop votes to raise the country's borrowing limit. did he cave in so much as he decided to avert total economic disaster? the downgrading of america's credit rating and the global ripple effects that would have left us all in a recession, maybe worse? at least until december. and then, yes, he did cave. he did though, what needed to be done and got 11 republicans to join democrats. so was he met with thanks from his democratic counterpart? definitely not. >> leader mcconnell and senate republicans insisted they wanted a solution to the debt ceiling, but said democrats must raise it alone by going through a drawnout convoluted and risky reconciliation process. that was simply unacceptable to my caucus. and yesterday senate republicans finally realized their obstruction was not going to work. >> so in case you missed it, that is joe manchin behind
leader schumer shaking his head. manchin agreed with a number of republicans who thought chuck schumer's speech was mean. >> why was it not appropriate? >> i think basically what we ought to do is find a pathway forward, make sure we deweaponize. we have to deweaponize, you can't be playing politics, none of us can, on both sides. >> on the one hand, no complete economic calamity for a few days or months hopefully. on the other hand, some hurt feelings. bottom line, they got it done, temporarily. so this either shows that getting stuff done is possible temporarily or that even doing the easy things can't be done without rancor. >> let's talk about this now with cnn's chief washington correspondent and anchor of "the lead" jake tapper. there is this perspective obviously, we see this from schumer, jake, why is this a thing anyway? this shouldn't be a thing,
republicans. i wonder what you think about these events overnight. >> well, i think, i mean, it is good, obviously, we're as a nation avoiding economic calamity and, you know, seriously harming our fellow americans in the near term, but we're going to probably have to be at the same point at the end of november, beginning of december. the larger issue here is that our government spends much more money than it takes in. and this has been a bipartisan affliction, bipartisan problem forever. there was a commission under obama that obama himself ultimately distanced himself from because the political decisions that people need to make, the politicians need to make in order to solve this problem are difficult. after president obama, then president trump came in, he didn't even understand why then house speaker paul ryan wanted to even do anything about the debt because the politics was so bad. we have a system where the incentive structure is completely against politicians
leading and making tough decisions. and whether or not we have this debate in october or november or december, the larger issue here, the fact we spend as a nation more than $300 billion a year just on the interest on the debt, just on the interest, the vig if we were taking this out from a loan shark, it is unsustainable and it is a perfect example of bipartisan irresponsibility. >> when you put it in mob terms, it does put it in perspective, jake. so i appreciate that. >> i figured that would hit you where you live. >> exactly. we said too much already. look, so dick durbin, senate judiciary chair's committee put out an interim report on its investigation into what the former president tried to get the justice department to do before the insurrection, nine times, basically trying to overthrow the election. dick durbin, he told me, i think you too yesterday, jake, we were half a step away from a
constitutional crisis. the other way of looking at that is we're still a half step away or even closer to a constitutional crisis because of how that day and that period is now being perceived or discussed or addressed in some circles. when you look at this now, jake, what do you see? >> i mean, i see that there is an anti-democracy movement that has taken -- that is led by donald trump. and you are either trying to preserve democracy in the united states. or you're not. and if you're a -- in the news media or a politician, and, you know, what chuck grassley said, he said basically, you know, i'm paraphrasing here, you know, they talked about completely trying to stage a coup, but they didn't actually do it. so it is not a big deal. that's complicity. and i remember chuck grassley,
you know, 20 years ago, i remember when a bunch of whistle blowers gave chuck grassley an award because he was the kind of person, the conservative with real integrity when it came up to -- when it came to individuals standing up and doing the right thing and i don't recognize this individual who would belittle this. and really it is very clear. you're either standing up for democracy or you're standing against it. and when durbin talks about us being half a step away from a constitutional crisis, i mean, first of all, i disagree, i think we were in a constitutional crisis, it is just that we had about a dozen republican officials who kept the guardrails up at great risk to themselves pre fecofessionald personally, the maricopa county board of supervisors or commissioner al schmidt in philadelphia or
the wayne county
canvassing board in michigan, there are a number of individuals, liz cheney, adam kinzinger, who stood up and did the right thing. but you have different people in those jobs or weaker people in those jobs and you do have an election successfully overturned and that is what donald trump tried to do as his own justice department officials told durbin's committee. >> you mentioned grassley and the idea that he was a man of integrity and perhaps when you see him now you don't have that same impression. it is a theme, though, jake, we have seen with a number of republicans and there is this line right now that we keep hearing from a number of them, including mike pence, that, you know, what is with this focus on january 6th? it is just, you know, critics of president trump sort of overblowing one day. what is the
effect of that?
>> well, we see the effect is that, a, when mike pence himself is saying that those of us who are horrified by images of a crowd that literally had a gallows behind them, that the crowd was chanting hang mike pence, after being sent there by donald trump, who angrily was saying mike pence wasn't going to do the right thing and we know now there actually was a memo, eastman memo, that gave this basically how to stage a coup instruction on how he could have objected to the electoral votes that had legally come in, the fact that mike pence is saying don't pay any attention to that, that's the media upset, yeah, i'm upset that a crowd was chanting hang mike pence. i'm sorry if i care more about that than mike pence does. i don't know what to say about it. the effect is we now have a majority of republican voters and republican leaning independents according to
polling that now falsely believes donald trump's election lies. and that is damaging because so many of our leaders these days are terrified of their voters and instead of leading as they were elected to do, they follow their own voters and they say, oh, my voters believe these lies about the election, or the pandemic, or i don't know what's next, i shutter to think what's next. then you have a whole bunch of weak and cowardly leaders not only not standing up for the right thing, but overtly leading a charge for the wrong thing. and that is why, a, you have something like more than 200,000 americans who have died from the virus even after the introduction of these life saving vaccines, life saving vaccines, by the way, from operation warped speed from president trump, and you have all these republicans seeking
to -- all these republican officials seeking to undermine democracy in preparation for 2024. >> and that's what matters. certainly it matters to understand what happened. but needs to be acknowledged to prevent it from happening again. we have josh mandel, republican running for senate in ohio, current front-runner there, celebrating january 6th as brianna said and i laugh because i couldn't cry at the time, she said, josh mandel is basically saying january 6th is a kid friendly event. he said he met with an ohioan and was thrilled this ohioan brought their kid to washington for the january 6th event so they could see democracy at work. it is being celebrated now. that's where it is going. so if it is being celebrated, it really is a permission structure for it all to happen again. in terms of what can be done about it, the january 6th committee issued subpoenas and the former president told his people, we have them up on the screen, just to defy them. don't turn the stuff over, don't
testify. in reality, is there any consequence anymore to defying a congressional subpoena? >> well, it really depends on whether or not the justice department under merrick garland and joe biden want to take the next step. i mean, being held in contempt of congress is something that has -- it happens in this country. politicians refuse to respond to subpoenas from congress and get held in contempt of congress and it doesn't really mean anything beyond that. but beyond that, there are steps that the justice department could take if they wanted to theoretically attempt to charge any of these individuals with obstruction of justice or obstruction of congress. there are -- there is a criminal path for this, that is the question as to whether or not the biden administration wants to go down that path. and whether or not the committee, the bipartisan committee wants to go down that path.
i'm not sure that they are willing to do so. but i mean, that is the question, john, because you hit on something very important which is the lack of consequences in this country, the lack of serious consequences. i asked durbin when he came on my show yesterday, you laid out the shocking report, are there any laws that were broken in this. and he could not say or did not say. he said that wasn't for him to decide. so much of what the united states, our system of justice and our system of laws and governance, so much we learned in the last five years depends upon the honor system. and, you know, that only works if one has a sense of honor. we have a whole bunch of individuals, you can't shame somebody who is shameless, right? and that's why we have these news networks, quote/unquote news networks that regularly
tell lies about the election. or regularly engage in blatant racism. you can't shame the shameless. so the idea that steve bannon is going to care about being held in contempt of congress, if that's the only consequence, is laughable. i don't know what the solution is. and in fact i asked durbin several times, okay, you know, there is a stunning report that your committee put out, the democrats on your committee, because republicans wouldn't join the report, but we see how close we came, and this isn't about the john louis voting rights act. this isn't about voter i.d., this is about individuals in -- if put in positions of power and behaving corruptly could overturn an election. that it is just that simple. you replace brad raffensperger with jodie hias, who is running to replace him, who knows what he would have done. if kevin mccarthy was the speaker of the house, on january 6th, who knows what he would have done. if you put people who have no sense of ethics or integrity in
these positions of power, they can overturn an election. what can the rest of us do about it to prevent that from happening and sadly i did not hear an answer from senator durbin. >> it is awful. it is awful that there is no answer to that. jake, thank you so much for joining us this morning. we appreciate it. i will see you at 4:00 when you're on "the lead." that's when i make dinner and i eat it at 4:45 because i go to bed so early. you're like my dinner companion and i'll see you later. >> well, i will see you. i always consider myself to be speaking directly to you. >> they say if you can reach one person, jake, you happen to know that. it is brianna. >> thank you. that's what i think as well. >> just so you know, tomorrow's saturday, just so you know. you don't have to get up early. you should be okay. >> yeah. i'm programmed. i am programmed. right? tell that to my children. thank you, guys, so much. up next, police had eyes on
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new this morning, cnn learned that brian laundrie was under surveillance before he disappeared and even though police had eyes on him, authorities never got a chance to speak with him. cnn's randi kaye is live for us in punta gorda, florida, with more. randi, what did you learn? >> reporter: good morning, brianna. as you know, brian laundrie returned home from that trip out west to north port, florida, to his parent's house on september 1st. but police didn't really have him on their radar until around september 11th when gabby petito's family reported her missing. i was able to confirm that that is when police in north port started surveilling brian laundrie but could only do what they could do legally because there hadn't been a crime committed yet. you have to remember that. this was still just a missing persons case, there hadn't been a homicide, gabby petito's remains hadn't been found. there were legal limitations, but they did have eyes on him, but they never actually spoke to him. i confirmed that as well. the spokesperson for the north port police department did tell me there was a huge effort, huge
hustle by their department to try and figure this case out. and that no investigation is 100% perfect. also was he was able to confirm to me that the authorities do not have brian laundrie and phone or gabby petito's phone. they know he bought a new phone in north port, florida, after returning home. that phone, the family's lawyer says, was left at home. so that is in the hands of the fbi, but his original phone that he had on the trip out west and her phone, authorities do not have, but we did check with a former fbi agent who does tell us even if you don't have the physical phone, brianna, you can get information off it, you can do some tracking, find some geographical information, figure out where text messages were sent from, where the phone was, and also even some internet searches that gabby petito may have done which could turn out to be useful to investigators. >> that is a fascinating with that development about the phones. i also wonder what you know, randi, about the help that brian
laundrie's father has given authorities. >> reporter: yeah, this is really unique. he actually went into the carlton reserve, not far from the laundrie home, that is where the family says brian laundrie went when he disappeared on september 13th. they are the only people that are directing authorities to that reserve. but yesterday chris laundrie, brian's father, went into the reserve with law enforcement, he showed them according to the family's lawyer some of brian's favorite spots that he would frequent in that reserve, also some of the trails that chris laundrie would hike with his son in that reserve. so they were certainly trying to use his father to help track the son if he is in there. but later in the day, the family lawyer released a statement saying that there were no discoveries and hopefully brian will be located soon. >> all right, randi, thank you so much for the new reporting. coming up, why one hospital is refusing organ transplants to its unvaccinated patients. plus, dr. sanjay gupta joins
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i'm happy to say there is good news to report on the covid front. for first time in two months, the average of new coronavirus cases in the u.s. is below 100,000. hospitalizations are at their lowest point since the beginning of august. and dropping. and the average of new coronavirus deaths also continues to decline. though still way too high. rochelle walensky says the positive trends will all depend on human behavior, which she cautions has not served us well. joining us now is cnn chief medical correspondent dr. sanjay gupta. sanjay, dr. walensky says it is in our hands. it depends what we do where this pandemic goes. >> it has been in our hands all along. i hesitate to bring up the fact there are countries that were diagnosed, had their first patients diagnosed in the same day as we did and had a very
different trajectory. but i think the indicators look positive, if you look at this just from an objective standpoint and people bring up the idea that, look, we're going into winter. that's when respiratory pathogens spread. that's true. but when it comes to pandemics, because you get so much widespread immunity, some from vaccines and some from the disease spreading, you get dropoffs around this time of year. look back at 2009, the big surge of that pandemic was right around this time. the numbers eventually dropped. and then they sort of stayed low after that. you can see that. that's far right of the screen. >> oh, wow. >> they came down, stayed down. 2018 -- 1918, 1919, that pandemic, you had a big surge around this time of year, john, but over the winter, it was actually pretty flat, you did get a surge again in february. and it was interesting, it was probably a remainder of the people who did have immunity but got the infections at that point. i think it does bode well,
historically, looking at other countries and seeing what is happening here, maybe we'll get a little bit of a reprieve. i'll tell you quickly, the flu, people talk about the flu, like what are we willing to accept is the answer in terms of when this pandemic ends. those are flu numbers, john. up to 60,000 people die every year, millions of people get sick. hundreds of thousands of hospitalizations. we don't shut down the economy for that, i think it is going to be an uncomfortable conversation, but i think when we start to see numbers like that is when we say, hey, look, we're going to declare this thing at least in the rear view mirror if not over. >> i will say when things drop, it is a real opportunity as the numbers start go down, it is an opportunity to get your arms around it even more. so i hope people seize that moment and drive it down to those minuscule numbers. if we can. there is the university hospital in colorado, which said they're not going to do organ transplants for unvaccinated patients. >> yeah. >> what is to be made of this. >> i don't think people should say this is a form of punishment
for the unvaccinated. people said the idea of rationing care, triaging against unvaccinated, all that, i don't think that's what's happening here. hospitals generally take care of everybody. no matter what. i know there has been a lot made of should people who are not vaccinated not get the same level of care. i haven't seen a single hospital system saying that. transplant patients are different. they're often required to be vaccinated against all sorts of different diseases. heb, mmr, things like that, you get a transplant and go on immunosuppressive drugs. so if you haven't been vaccinated against something, you have a much higher chance of contracting the disease you could have been vaccinated against. and that could potentially waste an organ transplant. what the university of colorado has said is there is about a 20% higher chance of dieing if you've not been vaccinated, subsequently receive an organ transplant and that is what is really driving this. >> i learned something, i didn't realize there were those protocols around organ
transplants in general. it makes sense now that you say that. you're a television star, a worldwide media star, it goes beyond television. and you were on the late show with stephen colbert last night. i want to play a little bit of that. >> when you were here in june, well, felt like things were going in the right direction. >> yeah. >> okay. and now i don't know what direction we're going in. i'm a little turned around because i knew that delta would come in and there would be a -- what is going on? >> i often thought about the country as my own patient. i think that's how i think about things. i think if i was talking to the family of the patient, i would say the patient is still in the intensive care unit, but we're getting ready to maybe move the patient out of the icu on to the general care floor. >> yeah, i mean, that's sort of been my -- i guess just as a doc how i thought about things. and i heard the surgeon general earlier say cautiously optimistic. you look for all sorts of signals here. i look to, you know, countries around the world, which i guess are other patients who are ahead
of the trajectory and see how they're doing and just throughout time how patients have done in the situation. and i am optimistic. it has been a really tough road. the patient has gone through periods where i thought the patient might not even survive and the way to get here to this level of immunity is that so many patients got sick. we see these numbers coming down now, i hope we don't forget that hospitals -- many places are still very full and at times they have been overwhelmed including my hospital. we didn't have to get this level of recovery this way. but here we are. and hopefully it stays down now. >> let's get out of it. sanjay, i really appreciate you being here. nice it see you as always. >> take care. just in to cnn, the critical september jobs report, what do the numbers tell us? that's next.
way less, way less than anybody expected. and less than last month and the worst of the year. but the unemployment rate fell to 4.8%. remember, in this data there are two surveys the government does. it calls businesses and says how are you hiringing? what are your numbers? and it calls households and says are you working? so the household side of this equation is more people were saying, yeah, i did get a job this month, that could be new business creation, people not going back to their old employer but starting their own job. here is what the year looks like. disappointing net job creation in september, but august and july were both revised higher. what that tells us, there was a hiring boom this summer before the delta variant was a big problem. a lot of optimism. and businesses were hiring. so where does that put us? still down more than 5 million jobs in the pandemic. look at this. we have that huge crash in february and april. it has taken us 17 months to try to crawl out of this hole. that hole is still, still more
than 5 million. there is that jobless rate, though. that has been dramatic. these are households here. households, john, when called by the government, surveyed by the government say i do have a job. 4.8% is the unemployment rate for that survey. really important, i think. >> all right, romans, stick with us. i want to bring in rana faruhar, associate editor of "the financial times." we have this dropping unemployment rate, but this job creation that just isn't what people were hoping for. >> indeed. and as christine said, it is a brain teaser. this is going to be a big problem for the fed, because they're talking about do we need to start raising interest rates. there has been inflation and you get weak job numbers. so, you know, the market is going to be up and down. it already has been up and down. i think this is a data problem at the end of the day, though. as christine pointed out, there are a lot of people working in very, very different ways than they have been in the past. that was the case with the last few years with more technology,
more people working at home, covid put that on steroids. i'm not sure we know what's happening yet. >> i think we still have a real child care problem too. we talked to child care centers all the time they can't hire workers. the average child care wage is $12 an hour and we know that a lot of people are still not -- women especially have not gone back into the labor market yet, they don't have a good child care situation. that's part of the problem. also a hurricane in this month that is really important here. i think that hurricane could have held back hiring and i'm looking at the education numbers and just didn't see the public education hiring numbers in september that you usually do. so we'll have to dig in and see what that data part of the problem is. >> and, again, this goes back to how are we working? i think we're going to see a lot more teaching remotely. i think we're going to see more telehealth. the whole nature of the labor market is changing and i'm not sure that the white house, the fed, treasury, really has a grasp on these numbers s yet. >> you hear business leaders saying they can't find workers. there is a real skills mismatch
and also, i think, an aspiration mismatch happening now over the past year. i've spoken to a lot of people who are retraining into tech and real estate and finance who used to work in retail. and i don't think people are going to go right back to the jobs they left. >> if delta, if they get a handle on delta, do you think you'll see the jobs numbers increasing? >> you know, we may. i think what is going to happen is with unemployment benefits going away, and schools starting, that may start to address a little bit of the child care problem that christine is talking about. people will feel like, hey, maybe i have to go to work, maybe i can go back to work now. but, again, are they going to be working as much as they did before? you talk about an aspirational mismatch, i hear a lot of younger people who were already kind of disenchanted now. they came in the labor market, post financial crisis, you know, the social work compact is broken. they're, like, i don't want to go back to my corporate job. >> one quick question and another big business story overnight, which is that elon musk says he's moving the tesla
headquarters from california to texas. >> yeah, he's making good on his threat from last year. he called officials in california fascists for closing his factory for lockdowns or having lockdowns when he was trying to churn out teslas. he's moving his his quarters from the bay area. he says it is hard to scale up in the bay area. look at the median price of a house in the bay area versus austin, it is, you know, multiple factors, you know. it is going to be easier to expand in austin. he said he is still invested and expanding in california too. but charles schwab, hewlett packard, there has been an exodus to texas. >> that's the other thing. the way we're working is going to change the entire geography of the country. if you look at where house prices have jumped, not so much in big cities, the two or three hours outside of big cities. people are moving to different places, that's going to mean different sort of regional, economic booms and busts. it is a brave new world. >> i feel smarter for having sat here for the last four minutes listening to you. >> we told you it is a total brain teaser. >> i know. i don't know what it means, but
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the de facto slogan there, a dangerous one by the way, but that's why you may stumble across a puff piece on fox on actually about fox in the coming days because they are turning 25 and you'll know if it is a puff piece if it doesn't mention in a quarter century on the air, fox devolved from a network that once covered the news with a little conservative flair to a well documented hostile workplace that is a mouthpiece of the extreme, peddling racism and white supremacy and deadly misinformation, some of which, if you actually follow it, can kill you and they're doing all of that for a profit. what was the role of fox news in the white house? >> that's just where we went to get what we wanted out. they, you know, by and large, didn't get tough with us. they just took what we were saying and disseminated it and i think they're disseminated it to
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princess diana was a fashion iddol idol, an outspoken member of britain's royal family. she attracted an unprecedented media spectacle everywhere she went. did the world really understand who she was? the all new cnn ornl iginal ser "diana" re-examines the life of the icon through a 21st century lens to discover the real woman behind the people's princess. here's a preview. >> and then diana was sent to another school called west heeve. it was a safe and a cozy environment for diana, it is where her two older sisters,
sarah and jane, had gone to school. >> here was somewhere she could shine. she adored dancing and anyone who starts, if you do enjoy dancing, you're just lust in yourself. >> leaping about, it is amazing. great leaps and bounds. >> yes, she did it every day. >> it was quite -- >> it was amazing. legs everywhere. >> joining us now is cnn royal commentator kate williams. kate, thank you. i think there is so much curiosity about diana and this first episode looks back at her childhood, how this influenced her early relationship with prince charles and really her entry into the royal family. tell us a little bit more about that. >> it is a very fascinating
documentary. there are so many great insights, people who knew her and really paints a picture of diana's childhood. she had a very unhappy childhood, her parents divorced when she was very young, her mother was sent away, and it was a very isolated, on her own. charles had this standoffish world childhood, you had both people brought up, the idea is that the childhood is very stiff, you don't hug your parents, they create tough people. instead they create suffering and we see this with diana and charles, all the suffering. so the documentary really explores her childhood, her adolescence and the big moment when this young girl suddenly huge box office, she suddenly is chased everywhere. a fairy tale princess that the whole world is obsessed with. >> it is interesting, it seems like she reversed the influence of her childhood and what she provided to her boys.
and that they have chosen that path as well. how do you see her influence continuing to impact her sons and now their families, especially as we see them trying to protect their kids, and their wives from the negative impact of royal status? >> diana couldn't have been more influential, revolutionary on childhood. it was about in the time before her, you see your parents one hour a day, it is very stiff, shakes their hand, diana wasn't, she was so determined to have the childhood for her children that she and her husband never had. she was devoted. she was there for them all the time. showered them in affection. and when they were teenagers, took them to the movies and hamburger joints, things that could be more normal and her children have been determined to continue that legacy, even though she is no longer here to be a devoted grannie, they are here to really show the children that affection, that childhood in which you never show your children your affection and
always tell them to be tough, that is gone and thank goodness for that. >> they're carrying on her legacy and modeling it for a whole new generation of folks. thank you so much, kate, for being with us. >> thank you. >> you can be sure to tune into this, the all new cnn original series "diana" on sunday at 9:00 p.m. eastern and pacific, only on cnn. so here is an important headline for you, cats was so bad that andrew lloyd weber bought a dog. this really happened. the 2019 film was a critical and box office failure. and andrew lloyd webber says watching the adaptation of his broadway musical on the screen was so traumatic, he needed to get a therapy dog to help him recover. he said i'm emotionally damaged. all i can say to andrew lloyd webber is, now you know how we feel. now you know how the rest of us feel, those of us who saw it. he's talking about the film
version. i will enlarge it to say -- >> you hate it all. >> if you were alive in the '80s, you know, you know how wrong it was. >> where is your therapy dog? >> i need one. >> it really has been a theme this week, berman. we should explore this. >> just that. that's all i'll leave you with for the weekend. cnn's coverage continues right now. this is cnn breaking news. >> good friday morning to you. i'm erica hill. >> i'm jim sciutto. we begin with breaking news on jobs. the second straight disappointing month for the biden administration on jobs growth. 194,000 new jobs created in september, that monthly growth, the lowest of the year. >> not what people were hoping for. let's get straight to chief business correspondent christine romans. christine, we look at this number, what should we actually be seeing. >> i'd like to see it bigger than this, 194,000 i
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