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we can't let up now. my team and i are doing everything we can, but i'm calling on more businesses to step up. i'm calling on more parents to get their children vaccinated when they are eligible, and i'm asking everyone, everyone who hasn't gotten vaccinated, please get vaccinated. that's how we put this pandemic behind us and accelerate our economic recovery. we can do this. i've said many times god bless you all and may god protect our troops. thank you very much. >> mr. president -- >> mr. president, one question, sir. >> hello, i'm ana cabrera in new york and we just listened in to the president giving the nation an update on the pandemic and his administration's vaccination efforts. let me bring in chief white house correspondent kaitlan collins and dr. jorge rodriguez, a board certified internal medicine specialist and viral
researcher. obviously this administration is very focused on turning the coroner this pandemic. did we learn anything in that presser? >> i think this is the president providing an update after he had gotten a briefing with his team earlier this morning, but we should note that it does come as some polls have shown that as we've seen the economy has really struggled to overcome the pandemic and you've seen the numbers lately. some americans have lost faith about what the president is saying about the pandemic and this is part of an attempt by the white house to have him in front of a camera speaking about the pandemic and the steps it a they are talking and also to talk about essentially trying to reassure persons that this is something that the president is focused on because it is something that he's said since the beginning of his presidency will be critical to his success as a president which is not just getting people vaccinated and talking about the pandemic which he did there, talking about vaccine mandates and how effective they think they are, and we should step back and talk about how notable that is because it's a big reversal of a position that the white house
held not that long ago, and one that they said they were drawn to because, of course, they didn't -- they underestimate just how many americans would refuse to get vaccinated. the president believes that number is about 66 million americans eligible to get the vaccine who have not yet gotten it, and, of course, it's causing a slew of other issues, like when it comes to the economy and yesterday we were talking about the major disruptions to the global supply chain and the effects that's having here. we saw the consumer price index say that jumped 5.4% in september. of course, that's a key read on inflation which we know is a concern from voters, and so i think all of that is the context for what you just saw the president talk about there. though i will say, ana, i'm a little surprised that president biden did not take questions again as he gave a few minutes of remarks and left the room. he also did not take questions after talking about what they are doing to try to fix the supply chain and untangle it yesterday, and he also did not take questions after the jobs report that came out last week when we were talking to the
president about that. of course, these are big questions that are facing this white house over what exactly they believe is going to be the path forward since they know this is so critical to their success as a white house. >> absolutely. doctor, right now nearly 57% of the entire u.s. population is fully vaccinated. we heard president express optimism about more people vaccinated saying vaccine mandates are proving effective to doing just that, but as you can so it's not enough right now. only a quarter of vaccines being administered each day are first doses at this point. cases, hospitalizations, death, they have all been going down nationwide, but i have to wonder will we ever get out of this pandemic if more people don't start getting vaccinated? >> well, the answer is pretty clear, no, we'll not get out of this pandemic unless more people are vaccinated or have natural immunity and we have that ever mystical herd immunity. i think it's really important to hit on two points.
one is vaccines work. vaccines are safe. it's 3.7 billion people in the world that have been vaccinated can attest to. i also think it's really interesting that -- excuse me, that the president used the word requirement which is a word that i use because mandate just seems to create a rift. if i want to work in my hospital i'm required to be vaccinated against hepatitis "a" and b and not to have tuberculosis. i have the freedom to do that job and every job has a roirmt and i think it's fine. i think it's absolutely essential that jobs and companies protect all of their workers who also have rights, not just the people who don't want to get vaccinated. these are requirement and the requirements for the safety of all people who also have rights. >> dr. rodriguez, great to have you have you with us. kaitlan collins, thank you. appreciate boast you. du defying congress at risk of criminal charges the other big story developing right now.
two trump loyalists steve bannon and carb patel are expected to ignore their subpoenas and not testify today before the house committee investigate the capitol insurrection. members of that panel say they will pursue criminal contempt charges against anyone who won't cooperate. also, the committee has now subpoenaed this man, a former high -- ranking justice department attorney who became known as quote trump's big lie lawyer, jeffrey clark, allegedly drafted a letter falsely claiming that the doj found voting irregularities affecting the election in several states. it was part of an effort to overtrump trump's lie. whitney wild is tracking these developments. steve bannon won't comply and patel is still engaging with the committee despite today's deadline so what happens next. >> reporter: right now the committee is fully prepared to move forward with criminal contempt and what that could
look like is by the time that the committee is very certain that bannon is definitely not going to show up, that he won't appear out of nowhere, they say they are very committed to moving forward with criminal contempt and what that means is first it goes through the commit and then will go for a vote and then there's a referral to the department of justice where-maker garland, the attorney general, still has prosecutorial discretion here so what happens once it falls into his lap is anyone's guess but at this point it does appear that at least people who are working on this house select committee are prepared to -- to basically utilize the most severe tool in their bag here which is the criminal contempt. further, we're track, you know, a list of other people who were supposed to deliver documents this week, others as we know, mark meadows, dan skafno who were supposed to appear for depositions and this will be very telling about how much pushback trump allies will give
to the house select committee which will make the timeline even longer which could set up a lengthy legal fight. >> keep us posted what happens here this afternoon. now to the new subpoena. thanks, whitney. investigators want to talk to jeffrey clark, the man congress a.m. investigators have labeled trump's big lie lawyer. cnn's tom foreman is joining us now. for more on this, tom, there were a lot of people pushing trump's big lie. clark was allegedly a big part of this. >> yeah, a really key part of it or could have been. let's look at first of all the general picture of who he is, former trump department of justice official. he supported the election fraud conspiracies of donald trump and importantly he did this at a time when trump kept going back to the top people of the department and saying, come on, come on. you have to say there was a problem with the election. you have to announce that something is wrong, that you're investigating it and then i'll take care of everything else. they would not do it, but jeffrey clark showed an appetite for that and he said, sure, i
will go ahead hand do that and when he gets up against acting director rosen he's basically saying i will support trump's claim in all of this. what was he beyond the resume? you could say he looks a lot to critics out there like a guy who was ambitious and felt underappreciated or underpromoted in the department of justice and then there was a famous meeting where trump, according to witness eds, say it was basically pitting the two against them saying, look, i'll throw him out and i'll put you in the top job if you can get this through. if you can get the big lie into a position to shut down georgia's results. let me get those results and move closer to stealing this election. the problem is then white house attorneys came in, pat cipollone came in and said no, no, no. this is a bad, bad plan and referred to it as a murder-suicide pact, the notion being that what might happen here is if you do this, all of a sudden white house attorneys, department of justice top officials, that they all walk.
they very publicly step out and say no, we don't support this. no, this is wrong. this is in fact some version of a coup. that was the concern, but that's who jeffrey clark, is and that's why the committee wants to talk to him because they think he was trump's back door to try to overturn the department of justice and steal the election. >> tom foreman, thank you. >> you're welcome. now you're up to speed with where this investigation stands. let's break down where it's headed with cnn legal an light elie honig and cnn chief political analyst gloria borger. elie first, defying subpoenas, steve bannon wasn't working in the white house or anywhere close to the 2020 election. trump is no longer president so it seems this executive privilege argument is moot. where do things go from here? >> the big question, aprila, is how much of this defiance and foot-dragging is congress willing to take. they set these dead lyons.
we want these documents by october 7th. that's a week ago. two more testifying today and two more tomorrow. here it is the middle of october 14th they have got nothing so are they going to get slow played or dragged into the courts or just wait until this thing fizzles out? two things they can do. one, as whitney said before they can send this case over to doj. at that point it's not congress's decision. it's-maker garland's decision whether to bring charges. they can bring them both into court and require them to testify. the members of the committee said we'll use every tool at our disposal. now is the sometime for them to do that. >> gloria, this tactic to muck everything up in the courts, delay, delay, delay, that has worked for trump and his allies all along and this has been a good strategy for them in the past. how could it be different this time? >> the difference is that the democrats control the congress and the democrats control the white house and the attorney general is not barr. it's-maker garland. now, again, nobody knows
what-maker garland would do so far as contempt is concerned, but i think since they have been through it before, they feel like they are not going to put up with it anymore, so they must have a plan. you know, it used to be you could throw people in jail in congress. there's no jail apparently anymore in congress, but it used to be you would take them down to the basement somewhere and put them in jail. they can no longer do that, but i feel from talking to one member of the committee yesterday that they are all united that they are not going to stand for it anymore, so we have to see what their next move is vis-a-vis contempt and how they can try to make something like this stick quickly. now i don't know how they would do that. >> elie, you mentioned they could move quickly within hours. we're told they may start this process of the criminal contempt charges, but attorney general-maker garland would play
this key role. as you pointed out, congress moves forward with criminal contempt. the doj would then be responsible for taking on the prosecution, and historically there really hasn't been much success in that, so what do you expect-maker garland to do? >> yeah. there's been no success in terms of charging criminal contempt by the justice department for the past half century. it's been over 50 years since we've seen a justice department actually bring those charges. why is a good question. it's politically fraught. it's a risk thing to do. seen as dangerous but-maker garland has a job to do here, and when it comes to this delay, how do we avoid this delay game? there's only three parties here who can impact that. one, congress. they seem like they are poised to move quickly as gloria says. two, is-maker garland. he'll have a decision to make. he cannot sit on that for months on end and three is the courts. we don't ask questions a lot of the times but the way federal courts work, it's not first in, first out. it's not like a deli counter. judges can take whatever case
they feel is most important and deal with it right away and our federal judges need to do that here. they can't delay. need to get these cases decided quickly. >> do you think-maker garland will pursue it. >> i think steve bannon is the most likely person he'll go after because bannon's claims of executive privilege are so utterly frivolous. >> okay. then you have former president trump, meantime, gloria, still pushing the lie essentially saying now that unless the 2020 election is overturned republicans aren't even going vote in the mid terms or in 2024. his party can't be happy with these comments. >> are you kidding? i mean, if i were a republican running for re-election or potentially running for the presidency, i'd be doing the silent scream right now. remember when trump did this last time, said the election was rigged, don't vote. they lost a couple of seats in georgia, so if you ever had any doubt whether donald trump cared about who controls the congress after the next election now you
have no doubt because he doesn't care. he doesn't care if republicans lose seats over this. if he's telling republicans to stay home they might and they could and maybe they even definitely will and who will that hurt? that will hurt republican candidates because the question of the rigged election and the big lie has already been resolved. it is a big lie, and so that is not going to change, so donald trump saying this hurts his own party. they know it, but they are boxed in because they refuse to come out and call him out on it. >> so do you think that that could actually backfire on him, this comment this, latest statement that he put out in being so obvious that he doesn't care about the republican party? do you think fine, we're not loyal to you either. >> yeah. i think they are loyal -- the question i have is when is the moment that a republican will come out and say republicans, go and vote. it's been resolved.
now you have, you know, liz cheney, adam kinzinger, the folks on the committee, the january 6th committee, but when are they going to say enough is enough? imagine if you're mitch mcconnell trying to win back control of the senate right now and you hear the -- the former president of the united states saying stay home. stay home. imagine. >> thank you. it makes it interesting. that's for sure. never a dull moment. >> no. >> ely honig and gloria borger, appreciate boast you. >> thanks, an. a new and potentially catastrophic curveball for the already rocky economic recovery. more than 100,000 workers from kellogg plants to hollywood sets now either on strike or threatening to walk out. why now? and how bad could this get? plus, nfl commissioner roger goodell remaining silent as more players, cheerleaders, former staffers call on the league to release more details from that probe that took down former raiders head coach jon gruden.
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a new jobs report today injecting some desperately needed good news into an otherwise struggling economy. the labor department says new unemployment claims officially fell below 300,000 last week. that is the lowest they have been since the start of the pandemic. still, big problems remain. look at this list of economic pressures facing the country right now. americans are paying more for just about everything. gasoline prices, for example, up dramatically over the past year, and they are still rising. a gallon of gas today costs on average six cents more than it did just last week.
this as nationwide labor strikes are now threatening everything from netflix to frosted flakes. more on that in just a moment. if all that have is not enough the global supply chain nightmare is further complicating the picture and amara walker is in savannah, georgia, where ships are waiting up to a week to unload their cargo. amara, something's got to give. what's the plan? >> talk about a major traffic jam and a major backlog. if you're the port of savannah of the major supply chain nightmare is on display. look behind my shoulder. you see a wall of shipping containers stacked five stories high. we're talking 70,0002080,000 of these steel boxes waited to be taken to their final destination whether it's store shelves or factories. the george port authority say they are at capacity here. also, 25 cargo ships right now are in the queue anchored out at sea waiting to get support.
many of them waiting up to five days. why is this happening? there's several factors to take into account. first off, the georgia port authority tells me that they have experienced a increase in demand for goods so far this year compared to last year. that's overwhelming the supply chain. we're seeing that everywhere. not enough truck drivers and, of course, that's forcing some retailers to not pick up their goods for several weeks at a time. so the georgia port authority is saying things are moving a lot of. when will all this end, nobody knows but the port authority tells me at least for another several weeks, ana. >> we see all of those stacked right over your shoulder. thanks so much. now to the new crucial that's threatening to make massive labor shortages and ply chain problems even worse. right now more than 100,000 unionized workers from kellogg factories to hollywood sets are
either on strike right now or are threatening to walk out. this morning some 10,000 employees of john deere declared they would strike igniting the country's largest private sector walkout since the gm strike of two years ago. joining us now is liz schuler, the president of afl-cio, the largest federation of unions in the united states with 12.5 million members. liz, thank you for joining us. these strikes are coming at a very volatile time for the global economy. is that on purpose? do you and other union leaders see this as a movement leverage? >> well, absolutely i was just listening to the report from savannah. the economy is broken. the system is not working for working people and it's because we have, you know, prices going up, insecurity around what jobs are going to be safe, how can people go to work and actually make a decent living, and this is the time where people are saying, you know what. i've had enough. we have worked hard through this
country to get this country moving again, being called essential one day and then essentially being suppressed the next, so that's what these workers who are voting to go on strike are saying. they have a line in the sand. they have made the sacrifices. they just want a decent paying job with security and health care coverage and the ability to have respect and dignity at work. >> so what specifically are they demanding because right now we know overall wages run, up about 4.6% over the previous year, according to labor and the statistics, the bureau of labor, department of labor, i should say, the hourly pay up 4.6%. what more are you asking for? >> well, it's about pay, but it's about hours, stabbed, security. it's about meal and rest breaks. you think about these folks who are looking at going on strike in the f-mooy and television industry. they are actually fighting for the weekend in 2021 where they
want the ability to have a meal and a rest break and not to have to work on a friday night and go home for less than eight hours before they have to show up again the next day, so i think this is about basic fairness and respect along with pay because we do have a shortage of good jobs in this country. the inequities we're seeing in the economy where we have -- we talk bin equality where some folks are doing really well and the 99% are still struggling and having to work one, two, three jobs just to get by. what we need now is good secure stateable jobs. >> so how far are the unions willing to go, and do you expect we'll see more of these walkouts? >> well, no one likes to go on strike. let's just be clear, that we have a long tradition in the labor movement of working at a collective bargaining table across the table from management
in a symbiotic way, and only until we get pushed to a limit, where basic fairness and equity are violated and -- and you can't just continue to see wages go down. health care benefits taken away and retirement security disappear without saying enough is enough, and that's where we are. we're at a breaking point, and so unless we get corporate america to wake up and say, you know what, labor is our most valuable asset. we should be investing in it. we shouldn't continue this race to the bottom that we're seeing in the economy and be responsive to what we're hearing from workers. >> have you been in touch with the administration, with the president over these issues? >> absolutely, and the biden/harris administration is supportive of working theme this country, investing in the working people of this country and in fact the legislation that's pending in congress now is going to create up to 4 million jobs per year if we can get it across the finish line and so the administration is
very much concerned with the economic fairness that working people are facing and that we -- we need to be investing in -- in working people. >> lastly i just want to ask you about the vaccine mandates or requirements. you've expressed support for mandates. again, you represent more than 50 unions, millions of else in. how many of your members are vaccinated? >> we're seeing very -- very high vaccination rates, and we believe everyone should be vaccinated, and, in fact, unions used their collective bargaining process in workplaces all across this country to make sure that workers have a voice in how that vaccination policy is implemented and to be able the table in terms of workplace safety standards and how those are implemented, so we think the union can actually be a great partner in making sure that everyone gets vaccinated in this country. >> and if i'm hearing you correctly, your union members
are on board with having requirements in place for vaccinations. >> there is no one size fits all because industry to industry it -- it's different. burr for the most part i would say the labor union has not been only a good partner with employers and promoting the policies and promoting safety in the workplace but also a good source of information as we know with information -- disinformation that is out there on social media and other places. the union can be a trusted source >> appreciate your time. thank you so much. >> thank you, ana. former nfl cheerleaders are now demanding answers after leaked vulgar e-mails cost the former raiders head coach jon gruden his job. the league needs to release the larger report connected to those e-mails but the nfl is refusion. roger goodell is silent. i'll speak to one of those cheerleaders next.
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the january 6th select committee just issuing a statement in the last few minutes where they have announced that they are moving forward with a criminal contempt referral of steve bannon, the former white house counsellor who outside of the white house had become a big propnent of the big lie through various media appearances and his support for the january 6th stop the steal rally which, of course, served as the prelude to the insurrection that took place here at the capitol. of course, bannon was subpoenaed a few weeks ago by this committee and asked to submit documents last week and then was supposed to appear today for a private deposition, and bannon has been very defiant almost from the get-go. he told the committee in two separate letters that he was working with the former president donald trump to defend executive privilege meaning he did not have to comply with their requests. the committee feels differently.
let me read a little bit of the statement that was issued by the committee chairman bennie thompson here in the last few minutes. the select committee will not tolerate the defiance of our subpoena, so we will move forward with proceedings to refer mr. bannon for criminal contempt. i've notified the select committee that we will convene for a business meeting tuesday evening to vote on adopting a contempt report. ana, the timing of this is very important. this is a process. it's not as if bennie thompson can just wave his finger and steve bannon is then put under arrest. what will have to happen first is what is mentioned in this statement. they will have a business meeting just of the select committee on tuesday night where they will vote to adopt this referral. it will then go to the full house of representatives, and the house of representatives will have to vote on it. from there it will be referred to the department of justice who then can execute the criminal contempt charge, so this is significant though because it
shows that the committee, as they have told us, you know, quite frequently over the past couple of days, that they are not messing around in terms of their commitment to trying to get these witnesses to comply. bannon has been the most vocal in his direct opposition of their requests which is part of why you see them moving ahead in this fashion today, ana. >> they warned they were going to do it and said they would do it quickly, and sounds like they are putting that into action. ryan nobles, stand by. i want to bring in elie honig, our senior legal analyst. we'll pick up on the conversation that we were having earlier. we discussed that this was an expected move and now that it's been done remind us what the next steps are and how quickly this could move. >> ana, this is a powerful statement by the committee. they are not messing around. not playing games. you and i discussed about 20 minutes ago that steve bannon was the most likely person they would be focusing on. so the first step in the procedure is the committee has
to vote to hold steve bannon in contempt and then the whole house has to vote to hold steve bannon in contempt at that point it shifts over to the justice department. the decision-making at that point is not up congress but now up to attorney general-maker garland. he's outright defied the committee. we've heard that carb patel and others are negotiating from the committee and bannon's position from the beginning is i'm out, i'm not giving you anything. the other thing from steve bannon is his legal claims and defenses are the weakest because he was not an employee at the time so any executive privilege he may raise here is completely ridiculous. >> so if he does, you know, face these criminal contempt charges, if the doj does in fact move forward to prosecution, if a judge then, you know, moves this up to the top of the heap, this has not been successful in the past. we did, you know, our checking, and it looks like it was the
reagan administration the last time a member or an official was actually taken all the way through the process to trial and then a jury ultimately said not guilty in that particular case. what's the likelihood that bannon actually is held accountable here? >> these are difficult charges to make. first of all, it is a federal criminal misdemeanor to commit contempt of congress. the maximum punish cement one year. interestingly there's actually one month minimum meaning if you're conviblgtd you do have to go to prison for a month. on the surface of it steve bannon has no defense. he got served with a subpoena and he utterly defied it. he'll raise some of the same arguments. we'll try executive privilege. his lawyer in the letter said he'll try attorney-client privilege. i don't see how that even begins to get any traction. the one thing steve bannon does have here, that is an all-purpose bailout for him, is the fifth amendment. he does have the right to take the fifth amendment against testifying if he may incriminate himself, and he certainly may. look, january 6th is under
criminal investigation. if he takes the fifth, obviously it looks terrible. there's a real appearance issue, but at that point you can't force him to testify unless you immunize him, a whole other process, but it's almost impossible to bring a criminal charge if someone has a legitimate fifth amendment right. we'll see if steve bannon used that right here. >> do you think steve bannon's testimony is critical to the investigation? >> sure. he was reportedly in trump's ear from the time of january 6th, leading up to january 6th. i mean, he's been one of donald trump's closest political advisers really from before the 2016 election, so, yeah, and there's plenty of evidence that steve bannon was centrally involved here. the committee said they chose bannon for a reap, so i think that there's a reason that they have picked this fight, and there's a reason they are willing to escalate it to the next level. >> obviously it sends a message, too, to other people who may be getting these subpoenas. elie honig, appreciate it. thanks so much for being here with us. >> you bet. >> ryan nobles, thanks for your
reporting. our other story this hour, the nfl facing growing pressure to release documents from the documents that led to the investigation of jon gruden's resignation. leaked e-mails showed misogynistic to other league insiders. the league wants and others want the e-mails to be made public. the probe was launched after dozens of women accused the club of fostering an abusive and toxic workplace and besides crude language the "new york times" said they discovered e-mails of naked pictures of washington cheerleaders. joining us now is melanie coburn, former squad director for the washington football team. thanks so much for being here. >> aprila, thanks for having me. >> there's been growing pressure for the nfl to be more transparent and release their documents in the investigation.
so far the nfl isn't budging. where do you think this is headed? >> you know, i'm not sure. i know that there has been a lot of backlash recently in the last few days since the e-mails have surfaced. obviously i'm a part of a big organization of alumni, and a lot of these women that i worked and graced the sidelines with are devastated to hear this news. they have no idea the extent to which these inappropriate indecent photo, of them were leaked. which in boxes in the nfl received them and how far these reach. >> nfl commissioner roger goodell hasn't made any public remarks since the jon gruden e-mails went out there. what message do you think his silence sends? >> i mean, we feel invisible. it's hard we felt since this investigation was closed with an oral report. i'm actually part of a group of former employees. there's 40 of us represented that, you know, this is more than just the cheerleaders. these are people who men and women were mistreated and
abused. there's terrible sexual harassment within that organization and there's been no answers. no answers from the nfl. we've asked meetings and there's no written report. we've always asked for transparency and accountability. we want answers. we want that report public. the men and women of the organization past, present and future and these women deserve to know. >> i know you were one of the whistle-blowers. you personally feel victimized by what you experienced. what makes you most upset about all of this? >> most upset about all of this is that there's no written report. we all relived this trauma that we've experienced over decades and all for nothing. there was over 122 of us that came forward and participated in that investigation hoping that there would be accountability, and there hasn't been. >> well, the league since their
investigation did fine the washington football team $10 million. bruce al learning the team president, part of the email exchanges, no longer works there, he was fired before the nfl investigation was xleeld. jon gruden is out and the owner's wife took over the day-to-day operations of the team and made recommendations for workplace misconduct and other issues. that's not enough. >> a $10 million fine would be like a couple hundred dollars to me. it's a slap on the wrist for them. he apparently voluntarily stepped back to give her the co-ceo position, and she actually was on a podcast with adam schefter recently where she basically dismissed us, called our investigation ridiculous and just belittled us and made us feel invisible. >> what is going to make you
feel satisfied that meaningful action has been taken and that people are being held accountable? >> i think that the leadership needs to be held accountable. i think that dan snider has to answer for his actions. i think that the information in that report based on what i know from the stories that i do know of and my own personal stories, he should not be in a leadership position in a team within the nfl. >> well, i really appreciate you taking the time to speak with us. thank you so much. melanie so burn, for sharing your story and perspective on all of this. >> thank you, ana. i appreciate you sharing our stories. >> our own dr. sanjay gupta signature down with notable vaccine skeptic joe rogan in a wide-ranging three-hour interview. rogan explained how he almost got the vaccine but ultimately didn't. why he says he still won't get the shot. that's next. i've always dreamed of seeing the world. but i'm not chasing my dream anymore. i made a financial plan to live it every day.
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elizabeth cohen, who's following today's meeting for us. elizabeth, what are we expecting? >> ana, you might remember that last month, this same discussion went on about the pfizer booster, and now, many folks who are more than six months past their second pfizer shot are eligible for a booster. so, the discussion today is about moderna recipients. it's a very similar discussion with a few twists. let's take a look at what moderna is asking the fda to do. so, moderna is asking for authorization for a half dose booster. they say that that's plenty. that's enough. that gets antibodies going for people six months after their second shot, but those people have to be over age 65 or have certain kinds of health conditions or have certain risky jobs or living situations, for example, maybe they're a healthcare worker. that puts them at risk for contracting covid. maybe they live in some kind of a group nursing home or some other kind of group situation. it's an interesting twist, also,
with moderna. it turns out that moderna's -- the strength of moderna's vaccine doesn't seem to wane as quickly as the strength of pfizer's vaccine, and so moderna may be a victim of its own success here as it says, hey, our two vaccines really did quite well, but it did wane a bit so we would like to have boosters. now, i want to make one thing clear. you know, for the vast majority of people, two doses really is quite good and continues to be quite good. this is about folks who are six months past their second dose and who fall into one of these categories. ana? >> and there are other questions regarding whether you can mix and match booster shots. there is new research on this, right? what do we know, and how soon could we get some guidance on that? >> there is -- well, hopefully there will be guidance soon because if moderna gets permission to do boosters and there's discussion tomorrow about johnson & johnson boosters, that's a lot of people so there will be a lot of discussion about mixing and matching. here's what happened with this
study. this was a study done by the national institutes of health. it was a relatively small study just over 450 people. what they found is that folks who originally got johnson & johnson, they actually got a better response if they had a pfizer or moderna booster. in other words, getting johnson & johnson first and then a booster with pfizer or moderna seemed to be better than getting johnson & johnson both times. folks who got pfizer or moderna the first time around, it seems that they did well with any booster. ana? >> elizabeth cohen, thank you very much. >> thanks. >> podcast host joe rogan who has come under fire for criticizing the covid vaccine now says he almost got one. our chief medical correspondent, dr. sanjay gupta, sat down with rogan for more than three hours on rogan's podcast. rogan says he had an appointment to get the shot but in the two weeks before he got it, the j&j vaccine was put on pause over concerns about blood clots. that made him nervous. he decided not to do it.
he did admit to dr. gupta he thinks it's a good idea for vulnerable people to get vaccinated but he's worried about the lack of long-term data for kids. >> the only way we can know long-term stuff is with the passage of time. >> that's terrifying for parents. >> it is. >> the idea that your son could get vaccinated and mostly he would have been fine if he got covid and that your son could catch myocarditis and have permanent heart problems. >> i don't know that we can say the person will be fine if they get covid, joe. >> a young boy? most young boys with no -- >> when you say, "fine," you mean what? they're not going to die? >> like me. i had covid. i'm fine. >> you look like you're a strong as an ox. yes, i give you that. but you know, you give teenagers who will have these long covid naps. you get -- >> what does that mean? >> they're tired all the time. they get these sort of long hauler type symptoms. less so in kids. but when you talk about 33% of
people having persistent symptoms that last months, i just feel like we define -- i think we're allowed to have a nuanced conversation about this. >> joe rogan had his own bout with covid in august. he asked sanjay why people with natural immunity should get vaccinated, and sanjay shared data from a recent study that shows unvaccinated people who already had covid were more than twice as likely to be reinfected as those who had the shot. so again, the guidance, all the advice out there from medical experts is everybody who is eligible should get vaccinated, including people who have been previously infected. brooklyn nets superstar kyrie irving is speaking out and for the first time confirming he has not been vaccinated. until now, the seven-time all-star wouldn't publicly disclose his vaccination status, but earlier this week, irving's team said he wouldn't be allowed to play or even practice until he meets local vaccine requirements in new york city.
here's what he said on instagram live. >> don't believe that i'm retiring. don't believe that, you know, i'm going to give up this game for a vaccine mandate. what would you do? you know, if you felt uncomfortable going into the season when you were promised that you would have exemptions or that you didn't have to be forced to get the vaccine? >> again, kyrie irving, still not vaccinated. thank you so much for being with us today. see you back here tomorrow at 1:00 p.m. eastern. the news continues next with alisyn and victor. they do things differently. yeah, it's wireless with unlimited data and if you join a group it's as low as $25/mo. all powered by verizon. 5g included. woo! just get together and save! we look goooood! what's everyone's handle? visible. unlimited data, as low as $25/mo all-in. powered by verizon, 5g included.
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-- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com >> announcer: this is cnn breaking news. hello, everyone, thanks for joining us on "newsroom." i'm alisyn camerota. >> i'm victor blackwell. we're beginning with the breaking news into the investigation of the january 6th capitol attack. the house select committee just announced they will move to hold former trump advisor steve bannon in criminal contempt for refusing to comply with his subpoena. >> bannon was scheduled to testify today, but his lawyer told the committee that bannon would not provide testimon