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hello, i'm aina cabrera in new york. today america is in mourning. his leadership, his service broke barriers and today the nation and world are pausing to remember and reflect on the life of colin powell. his legacy is a story of american courage and integrity from his birth in harlem and to his bat in vietnam to later a man who would shape u.s. national security policy. over his four decades of public service general powell would become the country's first african national security adviser, chairman of the joint chiefs of staff and then
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secretary of state. a true braille blazers respected and loved by many presidents earning him the presidential medal of freedom twice, by a both a democrat and a republican. his family saying we've loved a remarkable husband, father and american. and now from president biden moments ago, after our many years, working together even in disagreement conley was someone who always gave you his best and treated you with respect. colin embodied the highest ideas of both warrior and diplomat. he will be remembered as one of our great americans. powell died this morning of complications of covid-19. his family says he was fully vaccinated, but we've also learned powell was battling multiple myeloma, a blooz cancer that suppresses the body's immune response and powell also had parkinson's which put him as additional risk. colin powell was 84 years old.
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cnn's gloria borger and elizabeth cohen join us now. the tributes pouring in have about profound, not only talking about the remarkable imprint that his life left on history but for generations to come. >> i was thinking about colin powell so much this morning as all of us, and what comes to mind it may be corny, sort of sounds old-fashions, maybe a cliche, but he was a true public servant. this is somebody who was political, but he was not ideological. he didn't walk on one side of the aisle or another. he is somebody who just believed in serving his sun try, and he is somebody who also turned down the lure of running for the presidency when he was incredibly popular because he thought he could accomplish what he needed to accomplish in other ways and, you know, i feel like colin powell is somebody who could admit a mistake as he did when he said there were weapons of mass destruction in iraq and there were none and he called it a blot on his record.
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he was a true and honest public servant. >> elizabeth, we're told, know, he had this blood cancer even though he was able to get vaccinated. that didn't protect him at the same level it does many others, right, who are fully vaccinated, the vast majority of us who have gotten the vaccinations. he also got parkinson's and we were told he was scheduled to get his booster shot in the next week, but because he was too ill to get that one, he wasn't able to get that additional layer of protection, so what more can you tell us about all of that and how that may have impacted this battle with covid. >> right, ana, his multiple myeloma as well as pickson's made him more vulnerable to comp kagsz of cove 19. multiple myeloma, as you said, is a blood cancer. it affects the bone marrow and that really leaves patients immune compromised in a way that is real, really hard to reverse,
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and when people are immune compromises, double vaccination with pfizer, we don't know and they may not have worked very well. even if he had gotten a booster, immune compromised folks sometimes the vaccines just don't work and then parkinson's. well parkinson's can affect the muscles in the respiratory tract so when you have trouble using those muscles, maybe trouble breathing or trouble coughing, that can also make -- if you get covid can make things much more complicated so both of those factors likely contributed. >> elizabeth cohen and gloria borger, really appreciate both of you ladies. thank you. with us is general wesley clark, former nato supreme allied commander. general clark i know you were close friends with secretary powell and so i'm so sorry for your personal loss today. how are you reflect on his life and remembering him today as a friend, as a soldier, as a
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leader? >> well, he was a great friend and mentor of me and my family. we knew him for over 40 years. we watched him struggle with the army and we watched the great contributions that he made as national security adviser and joint chairman of the chiefs and he sent the national security apparatus into the post cold war era successfully, and -- and i just think he's just -- he was a wonderful human being. he had tremendous warmth, tremendous intuition. he had great common sense. he knew things that would work and knew they wouldn't, but he was also a loyal soldier. he stayed with the bush administration with a decision to invade iraq even though i'm sure he was well aware of the problems that would lie ahead. >> you told our team that you were on a zoom call with secretary powell just a couple of weeks ago, so recently you had spoken with him. what can you share with us about
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that call and your interaction with him that day. >> well, he was, first of all, he was -- he was 100% colin powell. as you said, i've never missed a day of work, that's what he said. he's very much engaged in business, doing a lot of stuff with energy, working with private firms, very committed on the social side, and obviously following the country closely, very concerned about the partisan split, especially about the republican party and its efforts to sort undermine democratic principles. we talked about what could be done, how he could come out to the country and sort be our conscience, but as you said he was battling disease. he wasn't able to do it. i think as -- his passing is a tremendous loss for our country, for our future. >> forgive me for interrupting you. didn't mean to. had he already been diagnosed
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can covid at that time or not? >> no, no. he was -- he was in perfect health except for he said. he said i've got parkinson's, i've got cancer, and he said i'm 83. i don't know what's worse. >> he always seemed so strong. this announcement that he had passed caught so many people by surprise. in his most recent public appearances he seemed to be very full of vitality. we talk about his service at the highest levels of government, right? as secretary of state, as joints chiefs, he was someone who led on battlefield and nearly gave his own life in service to the country. stepped on a booby trap and also injured in a helicopter crash in vietnam. general powell received a dozen military awards including two purple hearts. just a remark life of service. any stories that stand out to you? >> i know, there are many, many stories, many personal regulations that i have of general powell, but the greatest
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i guess is that after the berlin wall fell, he came and told those of us who were young one star generals at the time saying, look, we're going to slink the size of the united states army and the united states armed forces, he said, but the united states is a great country and it needs a great armed forces, and he was always such a strong proponent for american security and national defense. common sense, don't fight except as a last, last, last resort, go in and you've got to have a plan to win and popular support. that's who colin powell was. those were the lessons of his life that he gave. >> we're so grateful for your service and your ability to share memories of colin powell and speak to them on a perm professional way. >> general wesley clark, thanks so much for joining us. >> thanks. with us now is jeh johnson who served as secretary of
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homeland security under president obama. secretary, thanks for being here. >> thanks, ana, thanks for having me on. >> what do you see as the legacy of colin powell? >> good question. i did not know general powell well. i would run into him on occasion at events in washington. i used to joke with him that some people confused my father as him. he's being hailed as an american hero, son of jamaican immigrants and from the bronx and went to city college and rose to the highest levels of government. he was a mole rod el to me in the following respect. this is someone who was one of the finest public servants of my lifetime who happens to have been black. he was not defined by his race. people today are recalling him
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as the first black national security adviser, the first black chairman of the joint chiefs, the first black secretary of state. in my eyes he was an excellent dedicated public servant of bipartisan stature in washington who happens to have been black. that's how i've tried to model my open public service and public life. >> you brought up his bipartisanship. colin powell didn't let politics drive his decision-making. he was one of the most high-profile republicans to endorse barack obama over john mccain in 2008. let's listen to that moment. >> i think he is a transformational figure. he's a new generation coming into the world -- on to the world stage, on to the american stage and for that reason i'll be voting for senator barack obama. >> secretary johnson, you say you remember that moment vividly. why?
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>> i do. as an obama supporter in the fall of 2008, i remember that interview, i remember that sunday show, and -- and this is what was remarkable in my view. here was a man who was an elder statesman of the republican party who rose above party politics, who rose above party allegiance to give an endorsement that he believed at that moment was in the best interest of our country. he saw the larger picture. he saw that we were ready to elect as our president someone like a barack obama, barack obama himself and made his endorsement accordingly. he saw the larger american interest rather than simply what was good for the republican party. his party at the time. >> the fact that he was unafraid to say what he thought was right, even if it ruffled feathers within his own party speaking out against trump.
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how special is someone like a colin powell, especially in this day and age? >> i think people in his model are increasingly rare in our society today. we need more leaders like general powell who canries above partisanship and enjoy the start the stature and a solid reputation among democrats and republicans whose word is valued by people of both parties. he's going to be greatly missed. he it's us a lot about the limits of warfare, for example, as a war fighter. he taught us the pottery barn rule always have a plan when you go in. these are things that i've repeated myself numerous teams. much easier to get into an armed conflict than to get out. colin powell get us that so he'll be greatly missed on a number of levels. >> secretary jeh johnson, really appreciate your thoughts and perspective and insights today. thank you so much for joining us. >> thanks for having me.
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a serial liar under oath and on camera. former president trump today sitting down for a deposition that he's within fighting for years. it's connected to a alleged sault outside trump tower. what could it reveal. and the growing fight between senators bernie sanders and joe manchin is only getting uglier as democrats race towards a critical deadline on the biden agenda. details just ahead. 16 americans kidnapped by a powerful gang in haiti. what's being done to free them. what's the #1 retinol brand used most by dermatologists? it's neutrogena® rapid wrinkle repair® smooths the look of fine lines in 1-week, deep wrinkles in 4. so you can kiss wrinkles goodbye! neutrogena® (tennis grunts)
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you could email an urgent question to lisa in marketing. and a follow up. and a “did you see my email?” text. orrrr... you could see her status in slack. and give lisa a break while you find someone online who can help. slack. where the future works. welcome back. you're looking at protests and people gathering outside of trump tower in manhattan this
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morning where former president trump arrived for a long-awaited videotaped deposition in a 6-year-old lawsuit. now this case accuses trump's security team of assaulting a group of hispanic activists outside the building in 2015, and the plaintiff's attorneys want to know if trump can be held liable for their conduct. cnn's carra skinnel has the latest. six years after this alleged incident trump is under oath, on cameras, walk us through the case and what potential liability he faces. >> that's right, ana, so this deposition was scheduled to begin a little more than three hours ago at trump tower just behind me. that's also the same place where this alleged assault took place. protesters were outside of trump tower protesting some of then candidate donald trump's anti-immigration rhetoric and that's when it's alleged trump's
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chief of security assaulted the men including punching one of them in the head. this case was foiled in 2015. it was only in 2019 that a judge in new york city out of bronx county has said that donald trump's testimony in this case was indispensable and ordered him to sit for a video depp base and that was delayed further because he was in the administration. he's now participating in this deposition. because it relates to the securityish use there he'll be asked about questions about security, his role and responsibility and they are also looking for punitive damages and in that matter they may ask questions related to donald trump's ongoing criminal investigation. deposition runs way. as far as we know there's no time limit so this question will continue on until they are
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completed with it. it's a long time coming. the president has not sat for depositions in multiple lawsuits he's facing since he went into office and won't be the last one. the defamation lawsuit has also been brought by the former "apprentice" contestant omarosa who has accused him of defamation and sexual assault. >> this case from 2015, what has the former president said about this case before today's questioning? >> so, yeah. he had a state -- an affidavit that he filed with the court a few years back in which he said he had no knowledge of this assault and he said that he had delegated all security to one of its top officials, matthew calamari who is still with the company and is the chief operating officer so he was taken the position he's not involved with it and he did not
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have direct involvement in how they were handling security on that day, but it's also interesting here because matthew calamari is someone that we have talked about before because he's someone being looked at in the criminal investigation by the manhattan district attorney's office so it will be very interesting to see if any questions ared about about that. >> over the overlap. thanks so much. let's bring in chief political torpt and co-anchor dana bash. this is what senator bill cassidy said just this weekend. >> if he runs he wins. nomination. >> i wouldn't know that. >> president trump lost the house, the presidency and senate in four years. >> that's super interesting. you think if he ran he could lose the nomination? >> well, if you want to win the presidency, and hopefully that's
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what voters are thinking about, i think he might. >> but it's clear you ain't voting for him. >> i'm not. >> again, that is a sitting republican senator, but why is it that so few elected republicans see trump as a liability. >> well, for context, you know this, aina, senator voter voted to impeach then president trump because of january 6th, the second impeachment and voted yes in the trial and he's been one of the few very out spoken that he thinks that the former president is detrimental to the gop and to the gop being a viable party. i interviewed him last year on -- he said the party won't get anywhere as long as they continue to idolize one man
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meaning donald trump. the answer to your question is in the short term republicans either in gerrymandered districts in the house or in -- even in purple states in the senate, they need the republican base to vote for them, and right now still that base is the trump base, full stop. >> or at least that's what they think. >> it's a little bit of the chicken or the egg. they are the trump base because they don't have enough republicans like bill cassidy coming out and speaking out because they believe that's where the republican party is so at one point does that stop, unclear? >> and so a lot of republicans are continuing to push the big lie about this to 2020 election as this january 6th probe continues and several minutes issued a subpoena is still on the table including from
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republican senator adam kinzinger. >> what do you know about this? >> this will sound naive. i believe they don't believe that it's politically advantageous to call former president donald trump to testify, but they believe it is a necessity to find out what happened, to find out his culpability, to find out the culpability of the people around him. to find out any information about those people that stormed the u.s. capitol while people inside were doing their duty to certify election results. if you ask adam kinzinger and liz cheney, the only two republicans on that january 6th committee, they might even argue that it's politically for the reason we were just talking about before even not great to have the former president up there because it is almost makes
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him a martyr, but to get to the bottom of it, which is what they are trying to do, you need to talk to people like that, and that's why adam kinzinger is leaving that on the table. >> let's pivot and talk about president biden and his agenda that's currently stalled right now. the white house has been in intention talks with two key senators in particular, moderates joe manchin and kyrsten sinema and progressives in the house like congresswoman jayapal who was with the president today, but these two senators want different things. even though they are both democrats when it comes to the big social safety net pack. a the hope what is to have a deal by halloween. can the president thread this needle in just a couple of weeks? >> well, he's going to have to to -- to save his agenda and to push forward on his agenda. it's really interesting the way it's coming down to the back and forth between these two democratic -- i guess bernie
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sanders is officially an independent but he ran for the democratic nomination for president, but these two people who are effectively within the president's own party but they have such different philosophies on how to govern. and that is that the bridge that the president, joe biden, is going to have to figure out a way to build. that's just the way it is. i talked to so many democratic lawmakers about this who are -- who have varying points of view on whether they come down on joe manchin's side which is we want to limit the social safety net and piece of legislation or bernie sanders' side which is that they want it to be very broad and row bust. all of them say to me it has to be the president of the united states who can pull them together because that's the way it works. >> i wonder what they are trying to accomplish by being so public
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over the weekend, quote, poll after poll shows overwhelming support for this legislation. two democratic senators remain in opposition include senator joe manchin and the democratic lawmakers responded quickly saying, quote, i will not vote for a reckless expansion of government programs. no op-ed from a self-declared independent socialist is going to change that. what are they trying to do when they are from the staple party. >> not necessarily but they are, than they are to accomplish similar goals in order to mover the country forward in order to support a former democrat's agenda, and i know this is going to shock you, but there's a lot of posturing that goes on in washington, and bernie sanders believes what he believes, but he's also trying to show his supporters and the white house and anybody who will listen that
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he's fighting till the very end for him and the same with joe manchin. i will say that senator manchin we know from the beginning of the biden administration when the vice president went in and did some local interviews trying to pressure joe manchin. he doesn't take kindly to that, so i think that that speaks to the very quick and very biting response that he gave to the fact that bernie sanders put a op-ed in a west virginia paper. >> right. >> and also the fact that joe manchin represents a state that donald trump won more votes there than any other except wyoming so you have to know your audience but a lot of this is posturing right now. the posturing will continue until they find the middle ground. >> dana bash, thank you. coming up, 16 americans and one canadian kidnapped in haiti. what we know about their condition and what is being done to free them. that's next. ) definitely higher.
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we turn now to a group of missionaries right now being held hostage in haiti. a violent gang kidnapping 16
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americans and 1 canadian while on a trip to visit an orphanage on saturday. five children, including a 2-year-old are among the hostages. cnn's matt rivers just landed. he's gathering more information and joins us on the phone right now from haiti. what do you know, matt, about the condition of these hostages, and what have you learned about their captures? >> well, so in, terms of their condition, aina, that's the big question that everybody wants to know and there's just not a lot of information about that. i can tell you we just came from the border really of the suburb where my source in haiti security forces tell us that this kidnapping took place, and on the advice of our haitian producer, on our security team, we couldn't go into that suburb because they say, you know, we would essentially be targets ourselves. it's a very, very dangerous area at this point. in terms of, you know, the response from the authorities, we know that haitian authorities are working with u.s.
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authorities to try and figure this out. in terms of what their response can be, but exactly how they are going to do this response remains, you know, basically unknown because how do they go into these areas that are so dangerous? but we would be remiss if we focus -- if you're talking about the threat that these gangs pose, if you talk about the violence, the threat from kidnapping that is so pervasive around here, these are affecting ordinary haitians more than anybody else in terms of the number of victims that are affected. mainly haitian citizens, and as a result there's kind of a national protest going on today. schools are closed. businesses are closed. this is a capital just a few months ago when i was here bustling with cars, traffic, life. it's kind of a dead zone today, and it's basically a quiet form of protest by haitians who are saying, look, we can't continue the life in the capital region anymore like this because it's too slept. that is the group where these
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americans are right now. that gang is called 400 monzolo, one of the biggest most violent gangs in this country and involved in drug trafficking according to my source. those are the people that the missionaries are with. authorities have a big task ahead of them trying to free these people. >> matt, we do hope you stay safe. we know kidnappings have surged in haiti rising just 300% since july so it is an urgent situation as there is a rush to try to rescue these hostages. thank you, matt rivers. we'll let you get back to your reporting. do stay safe, you and your entire team. jury selection begins today in the trial of three men accused of chasing down and killing ahmaud arbery, a black man just out for a jog. a live report next. (vo) how do you know when you've found your team? whether you're winning, or just doing your best.
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don't wait. get started today. call unitedhealthcare for your free decision guide. under way right now, jury selection in the aashwari murder trial. arbery is the 25-year-old man chased down and shot to death while jogging in a neighborhood near brunswick, georgia. you may remember this happened months before the killing of george floyd, and it has been part of the broader discussion and protests focused on racial justice. three white men are charged with arbery's killing. gregory mcmichael, his son travis and their neighbor william bryan, all three have pleaded not guilty to charges of malice and felony murder along with other charges. now, this case lingered for months before anyone was arrested.
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that didn't happen until video of the deadly encounter surfatesed, so the killing happened in february. the video surfaced in may, and it was after that when people were arrested. cnn's martin savidge has been following this from the beginning. what do you know about jury selection and how long this is expected to take, martin? >> reporter: well, anaa, it's very complicated and that video plays into if because remember the case of derek chauvin in the death of george floyd. there was video that showed how george floyd died. there is video. we know how ahmaud arbery died. the question is what were the circumstances around that death, and the people who will make the final decision on that is the jury, and that's why jury selection is so critical. about a thousand jury summons were sent out in glen county, not a big county so 1 in 85 people received one of those summons. the first 600 people showing up today, and that process is made more complicated by the fact that you have three defendants, and each up of those defendants has two attorneys and on top of
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that you have the prosecution and the judge that will all weigh into the overall makeup of what this jury will look like, and there are concerns. wanda cooper jones, ahmaud arbery mother has concerns about the jury and also talked about that video. >> i think without that video we wouldn't have an arrest, but i thank god that the video came and we got arrests, and now we -- we're here to select the jury to get justice for ahmaud. there were lots of miscommunications on what happened that day and hopefully we'll get the right place in the right place to make the right decision. >> selecting that jury could take two weeks, some suggest maybe even two and a half weeks. >> martin savidge, thank you. >> let's get perspective from areva martin. both the defense and arbery's family are expressing dern about
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whether a fair and impartial jury can be seated in this community. what do you think? >> i think it's going to be complicated, ana. we know in the high-profile cases it's very difficult to find people who haven't heard about the case, haven't read about the case, haven't seen the extensive media, but this case is more complicated than the typical high-profile case because not only do we have the disturbing video of the shooting of ahmaud arbery, we also have the prosecution of the original district attorney. we have that district attorney who played knavetism towards one of the defendants who are actually worked, gregory mcmichael, who had actually worked in her office. that delayed the actual indictment of these three defendants, and it wasn't, as you said in the opening until there was a huge public outcry and the release of that videotape that we actually saw any kind of action taken with respect to those defendants, so i think all of those issues are going to come into play as both sides try to pick impartial jurors. >> you point out the prosecution has changed hands multiple times. i think they are on the fourth
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prosecutor, and, in in fact, it was the original district attorney jackie johnson who was indicted for her handling of this case, one of the defendants, gregory mcmichael previously worked in her office and she allegedly directed police officers not to arrest him and is accused of violating her oath of district attorney by, quote, showing favor and affection to greg mcmichael during the investigation into the shooting death of ahmaud arbery. johnson has denied any wrongdoing, but specifically that aspect, how do you see that playing into this trial? >> well, i imagine that those jurors, and we already know that this is a very small community, 1 in 85 people have gotten a jury summons. we know that not only the whole community knows about ahmaud arbery's death and knows about the indictment of this prosecutor and for some that will suggest a case that a crime
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was committed and the prosecutor was trying to cover up this crime. we done know. this is a community that has also had racial tension. one of the motion filed by the defendant is an effort to keep out the license plate of the defendants because it has a confederate flag on it. we're also hearing reports that questions about black lives matter in support or opposition to black lives matter is going to come into the voir dire process so race is going to be a big issue in this case, ana. remember, there are been federal hate crimes charged against these three defendants, so this case has a lot of similarities to trayvon martin, what we saw with respect to george zimmerman, how long it took for george zimmerman to be charged and how racially charged that case was so we have to see how the whole race issue plays how the in the whole jury selection process. >> we'll being watching and calling on you to be a great resource through out. thank you so much. >> thanks, ana. coming up. it's getting ugly. standoff over vaccine mandates escalating across the country and the funding is hitting
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police over vaccine mandates. in chicago, in baltimore, the police unions are telling members not to disclose their vaccination status. in seattle, the union is warning that city that enforcing a vaccine mandate could worsen a critical staffing shortage. dr. fauci is now weighing in explaining why the resistance is hard to understand. >> take the police, we know now the statistics, more police officers die of covid than they do in other causes of death. so it doesn't make any sense to not try to protect yourself as well as the colleagues that you work with. >> cnn's adrianne broadous is in chicago where the standoff is reaching a boiling point. so where do thing stand today. >> well, ana, if you break the rules there are consequences. state employees here in chicago which includes police will be
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required to disclose their vaccination status by friday. if they did not upload to the online portal, the risk, placed on unpaid leave. a day after the deadline, chicago police issued a memo to its officers restricting their time off. this all comes as there is a feud between the president of the union and the city's mayor. on friday a judge issued a temporary restraining order banning the union president from publicly making comments about this vaccination policy. for those of you who have been follow following along, he's encouraged his members not to comply with the vaccination policy and he estimates that nearly 50% of chicago police officers won't comply. despite that temporary restraining order he still spoke out on saturday. here is what he said. >> hold the line. keep fighting. we could not let the status quo maintain going forward.
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i will not totally be silenced. >> reporter: at this point we don't know how many officers are other city employees have not complied with this policy. we hope to hear those numbers from the mayor later this afternoon. she has news conference happening later today. but this isn't an issue or a problem that is exclusive to chicago. in miami, officers there are refusing a vaccine mandate and in seattle, nonpatrol officers are preparing to respond to emergencies. and in washington state, we've seen something a lot lightning this one. listen in. >> it is my personal choice to take a moral stand against -- for medical freedom and personal choice. i will be signing out of service for the last time today. after nearly 17 years of serving the citizens of the state of
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washington, it is been my honor and privilege to work alongside of you. >> sergeant richard thompson retiring after two decades. it is important to underscore here in chicago covid-19 has killed at least four officers. the former president of the union also died because of covid complications. he's been laid to rest today. ana. >> and again more police officers dying from covid than gunfire in the last year. thank you so much. that is it for us today. thank you for joining us. we'll see you back here tomorrow at 1:00 p.m. eastern. in the meantime join me on twitter at ana cabrera. the news continues next with alisyn and victor. classical music plays. um uh, brass band, new orleans. ♪ ♪ she drives hands free... along the coast. make it palm springs.
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this is cnn breaking news. >> hello, welcome to "newsroom," i'm alisyn camerota. >> and i'm victor blackwell. the white house flag will soon be at half staff after the passing of general colin powell. a short time ago president biden released a statement grieving for quote a patriot of unmatched honor and dignity. the nation's first black secretary of state died this morning from complications from covid and cnn learned that he suffered from a blood cancer and parkinson's dised


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