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me. seeing yourself as an artist - legitimate and genuine - can be transformational. daddy! for the best audio entertainment and storytelling. audible. this is cnn breaking news. >> hello, everyone. i'm alisyn camerota. welcome to "newsroom." >> i'm victor blackwell. any moment, house speaker nancy pelosi will speak to reporters on this crucial day for democrats. this morning president biden tried to rally his party to save his domestic agenda. the president is now headed to europe. he visited capitol hill to push a framework for his social safety net package. the president laid out the stakes and they are high. he told house democrats that his presidency and democrats' control of congress will be
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determined by what happens in the next week. >> no one got everything they wanted, including me, but that's what compromise is, that's consensus, and that's what i've ran on. i've long said compromise and consensus are the only ways to get things done in a democracy. important things done for the country. i know it's hard. i know how deeply people feel about the things they fight for. but this framework includes historic investments in our nation and on our people. >> so the president is speaking there as if this were a done deal, but progressives do not seem to be on board yet. joining us now, we have cnn chief political correspondent dana bash and manu raju, who's been tracking every step of the negotiations from capitol hill. manu, we know nancy pelosi was hoping to have a vote today on the bipartisan infrastructure bill so the president could have a win as he heads off overseas. is that going to happen? >> yeah, the question right now when nancy pelosi comes out
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here, how committed is she to having that vote today? she has made clear, behind closed doors to her caucus, that that vote is going to happen today. when joe biden addressed the democratic caucus, he wanted both bills to pass, a larger plan, that has not been drafted into legislative text, and separate infrastructure bill. pelosi came on right after and said she wants that vote to happen today. a number of members got up and cheered and said, vote, vote, vote. other members sat down. those members, who are not applauding are progressives. they have the votes to tank this if they want to. at the moment they are threatening to tank this because they believe if they were to vote yes now, they would give away substantial leverage on that larger bill, in their view, is not done being negotiated and there are significant changes that some of them want made to the bill. moments ago the leader of the progressive caucus made clear that the vote on the infrastructure bill comes up today, it will go down. >> too many no votes for that to pass today. however, we are committed to staying here until we get this
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build back better act done, we enthusiastically endorse the framework the president laid out for the understand back better act. look, this was hard, too, because there are things in there that people -- you know, their hearts are breaking, our hearts are women. all the women here, all the families, paid leave is not in the framework the president laid out and it's breaking our hearts. we hope something changes. at least with the framework that is there, we can endorse that in principle. we can -- but we do need to have the legislative text and we will vote both bills through today. >> bernie sanders just told me he agrees with that position. he says it is not unreasonable for them to expect all 50 democrats in the senate to say they will support this bill, the larger bill when it is drafted. at that point, perhaps move forward. but not move forward on that infrastructure bill today. one of the two holdouts was joe manchin, the key voice here.
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i just asked him if he is supporting this framework. he would not say. he said he needs to see the legislative text. he also said that -- said this when i asked him about criticism from liberals who say they are compromising and he is not. he said he is working in good faith and he continued to reiterate that. but he would not take a position on the overall bill here. so, a lot of questions here at a key moment. behind closed doors, pelosi made the case to her members. she said, vote for this infrastructure bill today but do not embarrass the president as he's going overseas. we'll see if that message takes hold. >> we'll see if that vote happens. dana, let me come to you. you have cori bush, representative bush saying she feels bamboozled and speaker pelosi saying this party needs trust and confidence that seems to be lacking from each faction. just address -- or assess, i should say, where the democratic party is today. >> the good news for the democratic leadership is the reason that they have a majority in the house and the senate is
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because there are big differences. they come from different places, different kinds of districts, from ruby red west virginia to the bronx in new york. and so that is the reality that the house speaker and the president are dealing with. the difference between now and, say, even, i would -- ten years ago when i was covering the hill or even before that is that the kind of members who have been elected to the house in particular, are different. and they're different in that they don't have the patience that their predecessors have. they don't have the reverence for the -- for the process, and they would use -- and they do use process in a negative way because they say that there has been too much patience. there has been too much kicking the can down the road in the name of compromise, and that if they don't use the leverage they have, that manu is talking about, then things will never
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get done. that is the reality of a real culture clash happening now. >> we're just checking to see if we saw speaker pelosi walking in there. we see a lot of movement around the podium. looks like we have a little more time to talk. we'll cut you off. manu, if both the progressives and the joe manchins of the world want to see the text, why don't they just write the text? >> i'm actually told they're actually trying to write the text at the moment. chuck schumer, majority leader of the senate, just told democrats on a private meeting, i'm told, they are actually drafting that bill. they're trying to put it together. he hopes the house can actually introduce that legislative text some time today. that remains to be seen if they can do that. writing legislation is a very, very complicated process. they've been trying to do it along the way. a lot of this stuff has not been negotiated up until the last minute. so, can they actually get the bill together? will that be enough for progressives to vote yes? some say the text is not enough. they need to have a vote in the
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house approving it. that's another question. if they do release it, will that be enough for progressives to back the infrastructure bill? >> can i say one thing. something manu was just reporting on, playing the sound from pramila jayapal, who is the chair of the progressive caucus. while they're saying, hold on, madame speaker, we don't want to vote until we see the legislative text, until we can vote on these two bills together, that is true. but one thing she said was really striking. she said, we enthusiastically endorse this framework. they support the framework, in theory. reluctantly so, as she said, because it doesn't have a lot of what they wanted in it, but that is a big deal. that is a big deal. that's a giant hill the progressives seemed to have swallowed. it's a pill in theory but still something they are agreeing on. it seems as though if you listen to her, it's, not necessarily a
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matter of if or when, assuming everything that was presented to them by the president, by the speaker, comes to pass. >> again, we're waiting for speaker pelosi to walk into the room. in the meantime, let's bring in kon congressional correspondent, kaitlan collins and cnn political director david chalian. kaitlan, when the president came out and said he is pleased to announce a framework, we have a framework, what do we know about who is included in "we"? we just read fra manchin, he's not read it so he's not part of "we." who is in the group? >> yeah, the president was making this pitch from the white house, even though he does not have all 50 senate democrats he needs on board yet. of course, those two moderates we've been talking about for so long, senator manchin, and senator sinema have not said yes. framework is not a deal, it is
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not legislative text. it's the outline. things have been changing rapidly over the last several days of what's in here, how it's going to be paid for. i think that's where the skepticism comes from on capitol hill. i do think the fact the president gave that speech at all from the white house speaks to the level of urgency with which the white house is viewing this. they delayed his trip to rome by about four hours. he was supposed to leave this morning about 8:00 eastern. they delayed so he could go and make that personal appeal to those house progressives, to those democrats in the house, saying he needs their vote on this. if he doesn't get it, you know, what does that say about how the progressives view a direct appeal from the president on his agenda is one thing, but also he did really want this in his hands when he came here, not only to rome to meet with world leaders as he was talking about the importance of how it makes america look earlier today, and pelosi saying he needs a vote of confidence from congress, but also for that international climate conference he has in just a few days. he wanted to say, look, the united states is setting an example with these climate
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provisions here. that's where we're moving. we would like to see other countries do the same. that's the issue here facing the white house. and this is the kind of timeline they set for themselves. they said, yes, this is something we wanted done before the president goes. now he's on the way here, on air force one right now. there is still no agreement or consensus among democrats on this as they do wait for that text. >> david, we talk so much about the process. let's talk about the dissubstan. there's a lot in there. even senator bernie sanders says this framework would be transformational, yet it's so funny, even -- so to hear that, transformational, that sounds good, but you're not hearing the tone be celebratory right now because everybody's so bogged down in process. >> yeah, no, just a sentence later he said, there shouldn't be a vote today because of the process issue. my question also that i think we need progressives to answer is, what do you get in return for continuing to defy the
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president's wish and have the vote on infrastructure? how are you going to make this bill more palatable to you and your constituents and the president has basically said today, this is the framework that i can get all 50 senate democrats on? so, i do think we need to hear from progressives after we hear from the speaker about the path forward here is, how do you get a better deal than the one the president says is the best deal he can get that will get the vote for passage? >> if i may, that's exactly what pramila -- >> i have to jump in here. here's speaker pelosi. >> good afternoon. thank you very much for accommodating the excitement that we had this morning with the visit of the president of the united states. a president with a big vision of america and he came to speak to us about how he saw things now, presenting a framework about building back better with women.
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i said over and over that the provisions in the bill are about parents earning and kids learning. with home health care, with child care, child tax care credit and all is a liberation for women to be able to pursue their careers, help take care of their families while their children and family members are cared for. in any event, what we talked about that was the fact that if any one of these features were in a bill, that we were taking up in the congress, if we were taking up the child care pieces of this and the home health care pieces of it, it would be historic. big. nearly $1 trillion. children learning, parents earning, caring for our loved ones at home and respecting those who do so. second piece on the health care, this one is particularly meaningful to me because of the
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affordable care act. the affordable care act has been expanded, of course, to make it stronger and also to include the people who were not covered in the states that department did not expand medicaid. we do not expand medicaid. we expand the affordable care act to enable those folks -- those families to have access to the affordable care act. if that were the only thing we were doing in this legislation, it would be transformative and cause for celebration. on the health side, there are many aspects to it, but that one makes a drastic difference. and then when we go to the third bucket, climate, well, as one who has -- when i was speaker first time, the climate issue -- well, for a long time has been my flagship issue. at that time, i formed a select committee on climate and we get good things with president bush
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in terms of an energy bill but not climate bill. we couldn't get 60 votes in the senate. that's when president obama was president, and at the same time we're doing the health issue. but it was then so important. now drastic and urgent, short fuse on the well-being of our planet. so, in this bill, imagine a half a trillion dollars in this framework the president discussed. both in tax credits and outlays of what we need to do to protect the planet for the children. all three of these, health, planet, child care, et cetera, all of that, the children, they're also about jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs. how people access them, jobs that are created by the new green technologies, jobs that are part of the national security about country, that is necessitated by protection of
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the environment. and so it is an initiative that gives a big tax cut to the middle class, creates jobs, good-paying jobs, lower cost for families and while making the wealthiest and big corporations pay their fair share. that's really the framework that the president shared with us this morning and it's remarkable. it's remarkable in that it's a big vision. bigger vision than we've seen in a very long time. maybe dating back to president franklin roosevelt and the new deal. in some respects to linden johnson. roosevelt had 900 democrats in the congress at the time and we have 220. that makes a big difference. the transformative agenda, the president was knowledgeable. he knows chapter and verse
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because he wrote this. he campaigned on this. he spoke to this in his state of the union address. told him last night and this morning -- on the phone last night and today in front of our colleagues that when he gave that state of the union address, we were standing behind -- sitting behind him. the vice president of the united states, kamala harris and speaker of the house, me. people said, how did it feel? how did it feel? the two women? i said, that was exciting and historic. what was really exciting is the speech the president made about women. not about two women but about america's women. and what would happen with this progressive agenda that he was putting forth. at the same time, we're moving forward with biff, a once in a century chance to rebuild the infrastructure that has been --
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passed the senate a while back. of course we have the reconciliation. we don't call it that anymore. let's called it the build back better legislation is essential because that's where we have the major investment in climate, although there is some in the bif. roads, bridges, water systems crumbling. some bricks and mortar. electric grid is vulnerable to catastrophic outages, which you've seen and it's taken a devastating toll on the safety of our infrastructure. there's absolutely no question, the most expensive, the most expensive maintenance is no maintenance, and that's where we are in many cases.
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it's about jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs. over the life of this bill, 7.5 million jobs, just in the bif. if you take it with the other bill, it would be more like 20 million jobs over the ten-year period. just with these two bills. not talking about what else happens in the community -- in the economy. so, it is -- it's pretty exciting. so, where we are in time, that's what you want to know, right? at 3:00 -- right now the rules committee is preparing to go in. they have text. the text is up. you know, people have said, i want to see text. text is up. the text is up for review -- for consideration for review. people will then say, well, this should be this way or clarification or addition, subtraction, whatever it is. this is the legislative process. and right now today we'll have a hearing.
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they'll hear from our chairman about the greatness of the build back better initiative and it's pretty exciting. i'm so proud of the work our chairs have done. and the work everybody did to try to cut it in half in a way that we could maintain support for it, because that is competition for the dollar even at 3.5 trillion, when you cut it in half it becomes, shall we say, cleaner. so, that's what's happening now. so, we had said for a long time now, if we had a framework that had our priorities spelled out clearly and agreed to, that added up to a top line -- start with the priorities and added up to the top line, which was the limit. the priorities i mentioned, the top line, $1.75, approximately,
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and the commitment that we would have the same bill pass the house and the senate. that's what we have now. that's what the president presented. and we won't have anything regardless of whatever input we have in the bill unless it is agreed to by the senate. of course, we have to have it comply with the senate 51 vote or the bird rule. there's two things, the bird rule and the privilege scrub. is that more than you ever wanted to know? but that's what we have to do. we hope to do that soon, but, again, we have to listen as the printed version goes out. there's some clarifications that will come forth because there's -- it's always moving a bit. and that will happen in the matter of this amendment. we're on the path to get this done.
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for those who said i want to see text. the text is there for you to review, complain about, for you to add to, subtract from, whatever, and we'll see what consensus emerges from that, but we're very much on a path. that's what we have. we have the bif, we have the hearing today, we have the text out there. we're on a path to get this all done. >> thank you, madame speaker. we've been hearing from a lot of progressives who say they will still not vote for this package. is it premature to move forward with a vote on the bipartisan package today? and do you trust senators manchin and sinema will vote based on what's outlined in this framework? >> well, i trust the president of the united states. again, the text is out there if they have some -- anymore, any senator, any house member have some suggestions about where they're comfort level is or their dismay might be, then, we
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welcome that. but i trust the president of the united states. we will -- we have -- you know, of all the things i named, we have agreement on most of those things. now, when people see the language, they may say, this goes further than i thought. i don't know. we'll see what they say back. but we are within range on those things. there's some things that are not in. i, frankly, have not given up on, but being the mother of five in six years, i always bring that up. changed more diapers than anybody in the congress. i would still like to see paid leave for the babies, if we can't get the rest. but that's still a work in progress, shall we say. >> when you hear from some of your members, like cori bush from missouri, and she says she was bamboozled and pramila
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jayapal saying she has the votes to keep the infrastructure bill from passing, what's your reaction when you hear that dissension within your -- >> they have concerns when they hear senator manchin say something, they have -- others have concerns when they hear things. everybody has the chance to say what they wish. >> one thing progressives want is to have a vote on the build back better bill. at the same time as the infrastructure bill -- >> yeah, that's the same thing. >> why not just delay a few days, a week, whatever, in order to move these bills at the same time? why are you insisting on having the infrastructure -- >> well, we've had a target for this for a long time. we mrandzed for $3.5 trillion. we were totally ready. i say this because i feel some level of responsibility for working everybody so hard, to be on time for september 15th.
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and then the rug was pulled out when they said, we're not going that high. then we had to take it down. in the meantime, the clock did not stop ticking on the calendar. did i mix my metaphors or my time frames? so, when we see that october 31st is the date of expiration of the highway trust fund and we made this the target date for this to get done. we need certainty. let me read this to you from our colleague. today -- if the house does not pass the bill by october 31st, this is from peter de fazio, surface transportation programs once again must be extended. without an authorization in place, the federal highway administration, the federal motor carrier safety administration, the national highway traffic safety administration and the federal
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transit administration will have to cease effected operations as a result they would force furlough of approximately 3,700 employees at the u.s. department of transportation. short-term extensions are highly disruptive of transportation project planning and delivery carried out by this department -- the states in the states' department of transportation, transit, and it goes on and on. so, this is professional. let's do it in a timely fashion. let's not just keep having postponements and leaving any doubt as to when this will happen. >> madame speaker, you know, you have called this as the president's transformational -- >> excuse me? >> i said, you and the president have called this legislation transformational, the build back better act, but how is this transformational if you have to cut things like -- >> if you do what? >> i said, how is this transformational if you have to
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cut things like paid leave, these major climate programs and what are the plans going forward to try to deal with some of those? >> thank you so much for your question. it is transformative and it is historic and it's -- the issue it is addresses, and it's not issues. these are values. these are values. and the resources that are allocated there. i'm still fighting for paid leave. i, frankly, have a hard time debating it because i don't understand why we wouldn't have that. but, nonetheless, let's not undermine the fact that we had nearly $1 trillion in universal pre-k, child care, child tax credit, home health care, and the rest. so, one program, as important as it is, does not subtract from the rest of it. again, we still have that. we want that, we passed it in the department of defense bill -- a former department of
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defense bill which has paid family -- not family, just family leave. not medical. family leave for federal -- the department of defense employees and the civilian workforce associated with them. so, we already have gone down that path very nicely. in fact, senator manchin said some very good things when he voted for that bill which had that in there. but how can i say that this is -- how can i say that this is transformative? because it is. because it is. because children in 12 states, families in 12 states will now have access to the affordable care act. millions of people added to that. that's very important. because we'll have a half a trillion dollars to save the planet. and that's a jobs issue -- well, it's a health issue, first of all, clean air, clean water, addressing the asthma issues and all the rest and the environmental injustice of it all. the health issue.
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it's a jobs issue. new green technologies, have america be preeminent in the work in those technologies. it's a national security issue as our security experts tell us, the conflict that could arise from competition for habitat and resources because of rising sea levels and all of the other consequences of climate -- the climate crisis. and it is a values issue for us to be -- to honor our responsibility to future generations to pass this planet on in a responsible way. and the fuse is growing shorter on the time frame for us to do that. matters are getting worse. we are not going to make matters worse. we're going to pass this legislation. as i say that, we have to -- what this legislation will do is help the president meet his goals, the goals of america, for how we reduce emissions and pollution and the rest and not only how we do that, meet and
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beat the goals of the paris accord and how we help other countries do so. the poorest nations in the world have contributed the least to the emissions challenge we face. we need to share technology and other resources with them so they can meet their goals as well. so, the third -- i talked about the care piece of it, the health care piece of it. this is quite remarkable. if you took any one piece of it, it would be transformative and historic, taken together it's quite a spectacular vision that president biden has put forth. i salute him for it. when i tried to, shall we say, make a case for this or that, he said, you don't have to tell me. i wrote it. i wrote the materials. his meti meticulous attention t detail, the knowledge of every detail. we are blessed with his leadership.
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when he goes to these meetings with the g-20 now and then to meet his holiness, the pope, and to go to glasgow, we want him to go as strong as possible. and when i had my meeting with his holiness, the pope, i brought the president's greetings and the greetings of the congress of the united states and climate was a very big, important issue for his holiness, as i know it will be part -- i assume it will be part of their discussion. but the climate issue is not just about, as i say, health and that. it's about people in poverty having -- taking a terrible bite of this wormy apple called the climate crisis. so, it's a big values issue for us. any time you want to ask me why i think this is transformative, i'm happy to answer that question. on. >> madame speaker, the framework includes $100 million investment they say is separate for immigration. that separate within the build
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back better act or separate? >> it's over and above the $1.75. >> madame speaker -- >> madame speaker -- >> thank you all. >> are you holding an infrastructure vote today? have you made that decision? >> back with us now, cnn congressional correspondent jessica dean -- >> hold on. she's coming back, i guess. >> are you holding an infrastructure -- >> are you holding -- >> well, there's that. >> that was a head fake for all of us. let's bring in our panel, cnn's kaitlan collins, dana bash and da david. >> is there a vote today? >> it doesn't appear there is. that's certainly what they're hoping for. you could hear through speaker pelosi's words, that's what she wants. she was plotting out the case for why they should act today, why they should move quickly. the question right now is, do they have the votes? we know they have been -- the
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democratic leadership has been whipping the votes. we know it is going to the rules committee, with what that means in plain english is they are going to the next procedural step to get the build back better plan moving along, which is what progressives said they want to see. but the question remains, will you get that infrastructure vote today. we are waiting to hear. what was important to take away from that, remember, we're talking about two tracks here. on the other track, that build back better act, what was important to hear from speaker pelosi is that that text is up. we have heard time and time again from people all across the democratic spectrum, we want to see the text, with he haven't seen the text, we want to see the text. including two very key people, joe manchin, who said earlier today, he hadn't seen the text and he wouldn't explicitly say if he supported this framework. same with senator kryrsten
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sinema. now that this text is up, it's a very large bill. people will start to go through all of that. that's going to be the next step. again, at 3:00 we are anticipating the rules committee opens up for this. that's the next step for build back better. remember, will that be enough for progressives to then open themselves up to an infrastructure vote? they've tied those two together. >> the text that's up, is that the text that satisfies the progressives who wanted to see the text of a bill to decide if they want to move forward? are we talking one in the same here? >> well, it seems that way. most important -- well, they have to read it. most importantly is something we were talking about when the speaker came to the podium. remarks pramila jayapal, the progressive chair, made earlier. maybe about half an hour ago. these are really key. what she said was, what i will tell you is everyone in the room -- she's talking about progressives -- everyone in the room enthusiastically endorsed a
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resolution that approves the principle framework that the president laid out today. they endorsed a slimmed down compromise. yes, they have to wait for the legislative text. yes, they want to do it -- vote on it in conjunction with the infrastructure bill. but those are -- those are important, but those are process questions. on the big substantive issue, that's a big deal for the progressive caucus share to say that they came out of a meeting after the president came up there and said, okay, we're in. as long as what we're looking at, as long as the legislative text matches, in theory, and the themes of what you promised, mr. president, madame speaker, we are in. that's big. >> manu, you're just joining us now. tell us what your thoughts are. it's funny, because just before the speaker came out, we were
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talking about, where's the text? she came out and said, the text is up. our producer tells us it's over 2,000 pages. i haven't had time to read it yet, manu. seems you might have. >> yeah. >> but where are we at this moment? >> well, the question is, is that going to be enough to satisfy the progressives? remember what a number of them said was not just text needs to be released, they want the house to actually approve that bill. they also want all 50 senate democrats to say they would support that bill when it comes time for a senate vote. neither of those are expected to happen imminently. you have this bill out, you heard what the progressives are demanding, why not just wait on that infrastructure bill? why not wait until next week so people can read through this bill, have a vote on both floors, satisfy the liberals, saying there are more than 50 of them in this camp, and then move forward? she made clear, she wants to push ahead on the infrastructure vote. the thing she point to in my
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exchange was the sunday deadline, october 31st. that's when surface transportation is going to expire across the country. they can extend it, like they did last month, but if they were to extend it, as she said, it would create uncertainty. she didn't explicitly say when they would have that vote, but the expectation is they are trying to vote on this today. they are moving behind the scene, lock down support from the members, the progressives. pelosi wants to have this passed by the time joe biden lands overseas. she made that clear this morning. that is still the hope and expectation of the democratic leaders. does the development that there's new text available, does that change the dynamic? that's still a question. no question from the speaker, she wants that bill passed and the other larger bill done. how long it takes, though, that's another question. >> david, your top line takeaway from the speaker's news conference? >> well, i think manu just made clear, and watching the speaker today, i think it was clear to
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ul after us, if she was not still in scrambling moded to find the votes, we would know exactly what time we could tune in to watch the house pass the bipartisan infrastructure bill. we don't know be that because she doesn't have this locked down yet. noted, it's some 2,500 pages or whatever it is in this text. not only did the house progressives say they want to see the text and make sure it matches the framework, but we have to ping back to the other side of the capitol now that the text is up. do we get more definitive statements of support from manchin and sinema once they have gone through this text? that is something else progressives have asked for. by the way, something nancy pelosi has said over and over and over again, that she is not going to move forward with anything without certainty it's going to pass the senate. so, there are still a lot of balls in the air here at this moment. and i think the speaker acknowledged that by not stating yes definitively there will be a bipartisan infrastructure deal
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passed today. >> kaitlan, it sounds like the capitol hill -- the democrats had wanted president biden to be able to land there in rome with something to show for all of these efforts over the past couple of months. it's unclear right now if that's going to happen. is that a big deal? will he be received differently in rome if he doesn't have something to show for it? >> well, the white house seems to think he will. democratic leaders have been arguing the same to their caucus as a reason to vote for this. when it comes to the timing of votes, the white house is completely deferring to speaker pelosi. they're not saying when this should happen, just that they do advocate and she can decide the timing. the infrastructure bill, obviously that's up to speaker pelosi but she was urging this immediate action. the president has a few more hours to go before he lands. he delayed his flight so he could make that speech, make that last-minute appeal to democrats. whether or not he gets that by the time he lands, that remains
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to be seen. we know it's not just about having those climate proposals for the international climate summit upcoming so he can use that to set an example, it's also the sense of what pelosi described earlier as a vote of confidence from his congress to boost him, as he is coming here to meet with other world leaders. given all the scrambling happening back in the united states when it comes to his agenda over the last several days. you heard pelosi saying what she was saying privately, they want to send the president here on a strong note. we'll wait to see if they do and how the president uses that to his advantage. if they do and what he says if they don't. >> all right. everyone, thank you very much. we're about to get the answers to every one of your questions right now because we're going to bring in democratic congresswoman from pennsylvania, madeleine dean. she's part of the progressive caucus. thank you so much. i know it's a busy day, congresswoman. thanks for being here. the framework is up, the text is up of the framework. the details are in there. it's open for anybody to see. are the progressives now ready to vote on that infrastructure bill?
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>> well, thanks for having that confidence in me that i know all the answers. >> i do. >> i'll be honest with you. when i don't, i'll be sure to say, i don't have the answer. this is an historic day. i'm very excited. the day began, of course, with a very exuberant, enthusiastic visit to our caucus by the president of the united states, where he laid out the framework. and the framework is exciting. it's $1.75 trillion in investments in our children. universal pre-k, something i have been fighting for since i was a state representative in pennsylvania, universal pre-k. $400 billion for child care and universal pre-k. what an extraordinary, historic investment in our children. $550 billion for climate and for our planet, protection of our planet. these are historic investments. you saw the enthusiastic statement by the chair of the progressive caucus. i am a member of the progressive caucus.
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and so we enthusiastically -- >> it sounds like -- >> -- support the framework. >> great. it sounds like you're ready to vote now on infrastructure? >> well, actually, the timing of the calendar and the two bills, both the speaker and the president over and over again said that these two bills are wedded to each other. these investments both in our hard infrastructure, our built environment, as well as in our environment and people, in seniors, in children. these two bills are wedded together. i think procedurally the clock and the calendar is in the hands of our speaker as well as the whip. >> well, congresswoman, hold on. she just said she would like to do it now. the reason she laid out she would like to do it now is because there's a deadline coming up this weekend where the highway -- the transportation funding runs out this weekend. she would like that infrastructure vote today. can that happen? >> i don't -- i think it can happen, but i don't know that it will. certainly they're whipping right now. we have really support, strong support for the bipartisan infrastructure deal.
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now we have strong caucus support for the framework for build back better. something i wanted to say is that, you know, the speaker talked about lifting the president as he lands in europe and as he visits with foreign leaders, as he visits with pope fra frances. i would tell you, if you were in that caucus today, you would have felt the lift our caucus, when he asked for the vote, the applause, the standing ovation he received on the framework and many elements in it was just extraordinary. so, i think we sent him off with a lift. i'm not sure of the clock on the bipartisan infrastructure bill. i, too, wish we could get it done because of the october 31st deadline. we want to avoid any interruption or furloughs for american families. but i have a confidence, be we will get both of these things done and i don't know if you saw the statement by former president barack obama. >> we did. >> he said, sometimes things
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move slowly and progress seems very slow, but this is a moment for a giant leap forward. that's an exciting day. >> it does sound like the log jam or impasse has broken. so, you're happy with what you've seen in the framework. and are you confident that so will senators manchin and sinema be, because i know some in your caucus have felt, i don't know, sort of like charlie brown and the football at times? >> i get that analogy. i grew up with charlie brown and that football. certainly, what i heard from the president and from the speaker the president and what he has crafted in the legislation, what we have had to reduce it to as a result of this slim majority in the senate.
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but what you are seeing here, even though the birthing pains are painful, is governing. this is democrats governing as republicans sit on their hands and a party really about anger and mean-spiritedness and disinformation. we are governing, we are investing in an historic way in our children and in our planet. there couldn't be more useful work to be doing. >> when congresswoman cori bush tells reporters she feels bamboozled, you see it differently, you feel differently? >> i don't know why she said that. i don't know what element of it made her people bamboozled. i am very encouraged by this framework. as i said, if we did just the infrastructure bill, that will be important, historic investment. but by doing every dollar above the infrastructure bill, that's transformational. you know, when we did the child tax credit, that lifted 40% of children who are poor out of
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poverty. we have to continue that kind of investment in our children, in our families, in our workers, in our seniors. there is $150 billion in this framework for home care. there's another $150 billion for housing. in my district, we have seniors, thousands deep in waiting lines for affordable housing. $150 billion in housing, that's going to be a generational change. >> congresswoman, it sounds like you're telling us, you don't think it's going to get any better than that for progressives? this is where you are. family leave isn't in it, but it's not going to get any better than what you have today? >> i wouldn't say it with that spirit. i would say it with the spirit of, this is fantastic. what we will do and what the president and the speaker are committed to is building back better more in the future. you're right, the family -- paid family leave piece is still trying to be negotiated in. but i will -- i will take the
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framework as it is, as the progressives have said in our statement, and say, what is in there to celebrate. there is so much in here to celebrate. guess what. we've got more work to do do once we get this passed. >> congresswoman -- >> can i say one other quick thing to make sure your viewers know. it's paid for. >> do you want to tell us how? >> number one, tax compliance. we know as much as $400 to $600 billion a year goes uncollected in income tax. rightfully due income tax. we have to make sure we enforce that and many other things. >> okay. congresswoman madeleine dean, thank you. we know this is all very fluid and we really appreciate you taking the time to come in and answer these questions. >> thank you for inviting me. >> that's the celebratory tone you were talking about at the time. now celebrating the elements -- >> and it's a shift. we heard nancy pelosi and now congresswoman dean who are
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mark zuckerberg is betting big on virtual and audio realities. today he announced facebook will now be called meta, and focuses on the meta world, going where people live and shop and work. >> they did so well with the universe. >> brian stockton elter joins u. >> we've heard about virtual reality for decades, hasn't really taken hold. facebook's vision is still involving goggles or headsets or something to put on your face, but maybe 5 or 10 or 15 years
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ago, maybe they'll be glasses you're used to wearing and you can interact with the real world virtually all the time. that would be great, wouldn't it, to go ride a roller coaster from the comfort of your own home? although i still think i would prefer going in person, but meta really changes nothing on face b facebook. >> we'll see where it takes us. >> i don't like any of it. i just like reality. this "wall street journal" letter to the editor to former president donald trump. the "wall street journal" is getting pushback from reporters by publishing this list and doing no fact check. >> here's the journal giving a platform for this feel better lies about the election.
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this is ultimately on the critics who are allowing trump to keep pushing the big lie. why are there no standards for the other half of our house? in the newsroom, they have standards, on the opinion side they don't. if we see trump enter the election, try to run again, he's going to have platforms from places like the journal, and from big tech like twitter and facebook saying, what's he going to do, he can run this from his office. >> they could have fact-checked it, they could have put a disclaimer on it. you can't call yourself a news organization like that. >> they get lots of letters. >> sure. >> next week it would have been a year since the election. it's so pathetic that this is being relived over and over again. so is the riot. there will be a special on fox's streaming service reliving the
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riot. it's essentially the gop's platform. >> it's even worse than you're describing, brian, i think it's even worse what you're saying because they're even trying to con dock a new narrative about what happened that day with the riot and the insurrection. listen to what one of the guests on that special says. >> false lies have happened in this country. ♪ >> one of which may have been january 6. >> false flag. false flag. any time you don't like what your people did, you claim there was a false flag. someone else did it, it's the other side's fault. >> bin laden in that video, the idea of 9/11 being a false flag, that was a kooky conspiracy theory relegated to the far dark corners of the internet that never would have appeared on fox or cnn or msnbc. yet these are now being m mainstreamed by rupert murdoch. >> talking about the helicopters
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coming for you, it is extreme. brian stelter, thank you very much. don lemon sits down with jurors from the derek chauvin trial. he asked about the importance of that agonizing video of george floyd's death. >> i think the way the video, the many times we did see it, was the importance of the video. it was alexandria mablgt for s -- dramatic for sure. >> did anybody see it in the courtroom in its entirety? >> yes. >> you saw it in its entirety, and? >> i almost wanted to shut my eyes. it bothered me so much and it was mainly, how could anybody do that to somebody else? it wasn't just a gunshot and they're dead. it was a slow death and you are doing this. it bothered me to the fact that a person can do this to another person. i felt for george.
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i'm like, oh. it just got to my core. >> and don lemon joins us now. don, that looks fascinating. is this the first time that we see the jurors' identities. >> it's the first time we see their identity. they will be fully identified by the court system by the judge on monday. they want ted to do this intervw as a group because they don't want to be chased by the media. they don't want to have to reiterate and retell their stories over and over and over again. one and done, they say. it was very tough for them. you were talking to brian stelter about false flags, right, and the only false flags i saw was the blue lives matter and the american flag, because certainly what they're doing, what tucker carlson is doing, is going against the american people. for people who say they care about police officers, they certainly don't by putting out lies about the election. we're living in this alternative reality, right, about what the country is about, what the world
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is about. for many george floyd didn't happen, you know what i mean? for the importance of black lives matter, they're saying it shouldn't have happened. obviously george floyd being killed shouldn't have happened. i'm talking about the whole thing that came out after george floyd's death, they're downplaying that. we are living in an alternative universe with mark zuckerberg, tucker carlson, the "wall street journal" and certainly the sentiment that has surrounded this case. >> when we learned about the jury, they are racially diverse. let's listen to some comments about whether they thought that was an important factor in the deliberations. >> this was about, you know, obviously the death of a man, but i'm sure you knew the whole racial aspect of it. you're very diverse, and nobody was afraid to share their feelings on that? >> not at all. race wasn't even ever mentioned in the three and a half weeks
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that we were in that courtroom, and it was never mentioned during deliberations, i don't believe. >> i think we got here because of systemic racism within the system, right? because of what's been going on. that's how we got to a courtroom in the first place. when it came down to all three verdicts, it was based on the evidence and the facts 100%. >> and we'll remember that the prosecutors didn't emphasize race during the trial. it was not something they argued. any surprises for you? >> that was a big surprise, because we're on the outside looking in and our discussions every day were about race. if you look at the protest, it was about race. it was about systemic racism. you heard one of the jurors say we got here because of systemic racism, but the circumstances surrounding this, the officer's action, that wasn't about racism. to them it was just about mistreating a human being. and it wasn't about what the officer, what chauvin did, victor. they said what it came down to is what the officer didn't do. they said the officer was --
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george floyd was in the custody of police, but he was never in the care of police, and they felt it was a duty of the police officers on the scene to render help to george floyd when he needed it, and they did not do it. so it came down to what the officers didn't do rather than what they did do. >> i think we even heard that from the trial from that emergency ambulance worker. i forget her name. was that jury not sequestered? >> that will be part of chauvin's appeals. the jury said they didn't watch media. >> they were instructed not to and they followed that? >> they said the last thing they wanted to do when they got home was dial in again about what happened in the trial because they were so exhausted. they picked the right jury here. because they were so dialed into what was happening, but also they acted on the evidence and not emotion. and that was key in this case, and the evidence obviously overwhelming. the video certainly helped them make their case.


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