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compliance? the doj has yet to bring the panel's recommended contempt charge against steve bannon for defying the committee and we don't know how the committee will address jeffrey clarkstone on friday. he appeared for his deposition, but he didn't answer any questions. there's some big trump names from the white house in this batch. stephen miller, kaleyyleigh mcenany, stephen miller was with trump at the stop the steal rally. mcenany, with trump at times while he watched the insurrection unfold. there are eight others. follows the six subpoenas dropped on trump world players yesterday. a grand total of 35. the gop, the so-called party of law and order, trying to block this investigation. even though it was a terror attack on our capitol. the vice chair of the january 6th committee, liz cheney, goper, called out her own party again tonight.
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>> political leaders who sit silent in the face of these false and dangerous claims are aiding a former president who is at war with the rule of law and the constitution. this nation needs a republican party that is based on truth, that millions of americans have been tragically misled by former president trump, who continues to this day to use language that he knows provoked violence on january 6th. >> they know it, too. that's the sick part of all this. they're just doing it to play to advantage. you don't really believe that the republican leadership and all these people who are sitting quiet agree with trump, do you? and they're not just silent. many are actively still fueling the big lie that led to the violence because it works for them at the polls. this has become the party of sabotage. not fueling or ignoring outright frontal attacks on the capitol
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or the democracy, they're undercaughting it. they're a party that says nothing when representative paul gosar makes a cartoon depicting himself killing aoc. attacking the president with swords. so now there's pressure from the left, of course. mounting on house gop leader kevin mccarthy to take action. he's not going to take any action against gosar. he may reward it. this is the same guy who changed his story to protect trump and co from scrutiny for attacking the capitol. they're not going to go after one afftheir own. only you do that on the left. sure, you're going to hear from republican outliers like adam kinzinger, leers not even running again. but the big brains like senator ted cruz are smart enough, apparently, to play his stupid game. he'll pretend that transportation secretary pete buttigieg was saying that roads are racist, that's garbage.
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cruz knows it. he knows the truth. he knows buttigieg's point is sound. that this infrastructure bill is going to help address racial inequalities, inequities in the united states that were echoed in highway designs, roads and bridges that were carved through their communities because they didn't have the will to fight back. to divide white and black neighborhoods. that's the reality. no wonder cruz and others are against teaching history like this in schools. that's what it's about, helping our kids understand that this was done. so that they can never let it happen again. but you don't want people to know the truth if you want to know how to manipulate them. so maybe that's why they don't want it taught in schools, so cruz and others can run this bs and create problems where they shouldn't exist. but they're not going to punish any in their ranks. but i'll tell you who they will punish in their ranks, if you
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put country first. but politics doesn't have to be poisonous. you know, this hasn't gotten a lot of attention in the media and it's a mistake. it's wrong. i wasn't on tv when the infrastructure deal passed so i'm going to give myself a pass, but if not for the bakers dozen, the gop house 13 defectors who voted for the infrastructure bill, can you believe i'm calling them defectors? biden wouldn't have gotten this infrastructure bill passed if it weren't for those 13 republicans in the house. that should be said. aoc and five others went bad on their own bill. even mitch mcconnell put politics aside for one fleeting moment today to acknowledge this moment of bipartisanship of doing the work for you. >> i was delighted that the house finally found a way to pass the infrastructure bill last week, passed on a bipartisan basis, and i think it was the right thing to do. >> he's right. we say when he's wrong.
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we'll say when he's right. he's right. sadly, this is the exception, not the rule in politics. will the hunt for answers about january 6th make things better or worse? it's a heavy question. let's get an answer from the chairman of the january 6th house select committee, congressman bennie thompson. good to have you back on primetime, sir. >> thank you for having me, chris. >> so tell the audience, please, sir, why these efforts are worth it. we see that with time, people's sense of urgency about january 6th is declining. you still have over 50% or well over 50% of the population want to see action on this, but it's not what it once was. why is it worth it? >> well, it's worth it because it's how we save our democracy. and people really need to know how close we came to losing it all. and we need to know the people who participated in this effort,
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how they manipulated the system, and all of those people who came to washington under the guise of stopping the steal when really, they were pawns in a bigger game to be used and weaponized against the congress of the united states of america. so that's where we are, and so our job is to plod along, get the facts, understand the rule of law as we get the facts. we're not denying due process to anybody through our subpoenas. we're negotiating. trump has already sued, as you know, which is his -- how he operates his businesses and other things. but we're going forward with it. it's slow. we have interviewed over 150 witnesses so far.
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we have people in georgia now working, in pennsylvania, in arizona, in michigan. and so getting the evidence and talking to all of the people who participated in this is what we're doing. and so the people we subpoenaed this week, majority of them, was right around trump. >> do you think you'll get any of them to talk? i know you put out big names. congressman, but you got the doj still sleeping on what you sent them about bannon. and you have jeffrey clark who showed up but didn't give you any answers. >> that's right. and which, you know, that's their right wrrbs but obviously, we're pursuing the criminal contempt proceedings on bannon. we will probably do that on clark and anybody else who
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refuses to come before -- >> what if garland doesn't make a move on bannon? >> then we have a problem. we put the evidence there. we have done all we can as a committee to force the hands of the individuals. but we feel very good about it. we feel we're on sound footing. but the wheels of justice, as you know, sometimes move slow. but we're steady moving. people are steady contacting us. our tip line is constantly being flooded with individuals saying this is somebody you need to talk to. >> right. >> volunteering information. so we're collecting the information. we have several thousand pages of information that we have gotten from other sources. we have talked to virtually every fellow agency about what went on. and we have -- we're putting the
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perimeter together. i think we have to do it right. we can't do it in haste. and so the impatience we hear from people, we understand. but we have to get it right. that's when we are. >> the reporting from jonathan karl from abc news that mike pence, tvice president then, ha a photographer with him the entire time he was hiding, capturing images of the entire scenario. have you heard of those photographs? and if so, do you want them and are you trying to get them? >> we have heard of them. we will get the photographs. we will talk to the security detail that protected the vice president on that afternoon and
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evening. no one has talked to them yet. we have worked out the particulars to talk to them because that's part of our work. and obviously, they did an excellent job, but we need to know what they knew and what they experienced and what they heard so we can tell the truth, so the public will know. if those individuals came to do harm to the vice president of the united states, who was a republican, then the public needs to know who, if we can document it, made that happen. you know, it's -- it's almost unbelievable that individuals who disagree with you politically would want to have you hurt or unfortunately killed. normally in america, we settle our differences at the ballot
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box. but obviously, donald trump would not accept the wishes of the american people, and so he fostered and encouraged what occurred on january 6th by inviting people to come to washington and weaponize those individuals at the stop the steal rally to come to the congress of the united states and attack it. so in full view of american citizens and so our charter as a committee is to get to the facts and circumstances, and we plan to leave no stone unturned. we plan to subpoena everyone and use the power of the law to the fullest extent that we can. some areas are weak. but we still plan to use it as much as we can to get all the information possible. >> what do you think gets us out
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of this period of heightened division? of heightened animus? what will get us out of this. we don't allow anyone to be heroic figures anyone. we're about zeros, not heroes. you don't get to stay up long, enough to make a difference. what gets us over this? >> it's about leadership. you know, anybody can be a jerk. but in order to be a statesman, you have to be a leader. and so what i see is the demonization of the ability to provide real leadership. there was a time in washington where democrats and republicans went to dinner after votes. some went for drinks. but now, if you're seen eating with a member of the opposite party, in certain instances, you
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become persona non grata to your own party. and we are a better country than that. so it's about leadership. it's about the republican and democratic leadership in this united states deciding that america sets the standard. and the standards should be high. but right now, as you know, based on all facts, standards are very low. >> the last thing we have is a claim here, the rule of law. i actually have breaking news that you're going to want to weigh in on. control room, i don't think we should take a break. if we have breaking news, we should go with it right now. congressman bennie thompson, help me out with this. we just got word that there is a decision on the situation involving president trump's exercise of privilege. trump will lose this round.
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federal judge tanya chutkin has ruled the u.s. house select committee should have access to records from his presidency about january 6th. here's a quote from the holding. the court holds that the public interest lies in permeitting, nt enjoining the combined will of the legislative and executive branches to study the events that led to and occurred on january 6th and to consider legislation to prevent such events from ever occurring again. a 39-page opinion. that's the crux. the national archives is set to begin turning key trump white house records over to theous on friday. how big of a decision is this for you? what do you believe is to be gained from these documents? >> well, it's a big deal. we have a lot of information we have requested. we're now, based on a judge's decision, that donald trump brought the lawsuit. we fought him in court.
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we have the law on our side. and you know, we are a nation of laws. so if you take your issue to court and lose, then you need to man up and deal with it and not be a spoiled brat. so i look forward to getting this information. i look forward to our investigators going through it with a fine-toothed comb to make sure that our government was not weaponized against its citizens. so we can only do that by getting access to the information. i applaud our lawyers who defended us in this court setting. i applaud the expeditious ruling that we got because we have to get to this. and so you can have your day in court. but there's no guarantee that you'll win, even when you're in
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court. >> so bennie, people will say to you, you're not going to change anybody's minds. i know you is heard this from people. you're doing this for the democrats, because the democrats are interested in knowing how this happened. people who voted for trump, republicans as they lean republican, they don't even want the fbi to look into this anymore. you know, they're barely at 50% interest. it's going down every month. you're not going to change minds or do you think you will change minds? >> well, we'll get to the facts. and we'll present the facts, and we'll be able to defend the facts. right now, it's innuendo, but whatever we produce for the public at the end of our work, we'll be able to defend it to the letter. and i think that's important because the public needs to understand how close we came to losing our democracy. >> people will fight the
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premise, congressman. when you hear it from the center, then all parts to the right will say, oh, come on. look, people got out of hand. they did things they shouldn't have done. but this was basically another protest gone awry. and there were certain rioters, certain bad aspects, but this was not that different than stuff that the whole left and the media forgave the entire summer before. do you agree with that assessment? of course not, but why? >> absolutely not. when you threaten to kill the vice president of the united states, when you start looking for the democratic leadership in the united states house of representatives by name, we have a serious problem. >> but the penalties they're handing out to people so far, bennie, are not impressive. >> oh, not impressive at all. i disagree with it. but look, i'm going to the
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facts. i think the justice department should prosecute those individuals who broke into the capitol, to the fullest extent of the law. i think the slaps on the wrist that many are getting is an embarrassment. i know people who write bad checks, who get longer sentences than this. i know individuals who get caught shoplifting small items. >> you know people who have done nothing who get longer sentences than this. >> yeah, so that is a question. but again, it's the separation of powers. we're the legislative body. we have the judicial branch of government, they have to manage that. and we have stayed away from dealing with the justice department. we kept a firewall up. we presented the evidence on
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steve bannon. it's our hope that the justice department will present that information to a grand jury and indict him and ultimately have him held accountable for ignoring our subpoena. we feel very good about it. but it takes time. >> how much time? >> just like it took -- look, i don't have a crystal ball. you know, that's another aspect of our system of justice. that we can't influence as members of congress. >> i hear you. >> we can only present the facts. look, i'm happy we got a good decision from the judge. it says we're on sound footing by getting this information. and if somebody is hollering this hard and this loud, i am to assume that undoubtedly, you have something to hide. if we have access to the
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records, they'll speak for themselves. so we look forward, as a committee, to getting it. and we'll let the evidence based on what we look at determine guilt or innocence. >> we both know why the former president went to protect the documents before he went to protect testimony. people can spin. they can agree for good reason or bad reason not to answer questions. documents can't do any of that. they only say what they say. last word to you, congressman. go ahead. >> if in the midst of an insurrection it takes you six times to get it right, to ask the people to go home, something is wrong with that. i want to see what the other five videos said, that even your own people say you can't say that. but you know -- >> hold on, congressman.
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i don't understand what you're talking about. when you say six times, what do you mean, six times? >> the president, it took him six times for the video to say to the people to go home. >> he did six tamkes, you mean? >> he did six tapes. >> what was wrong with the other five? >> we want to see what he said. his own people said to him that this is not good enough. you're not telling these people to go home. we want the public to know what the president of the united states was saying to citizens of the united states in the midst of an insurrection. we will now have access to those videos because they were filmed by people paid by the taxpayers of this government. and so those records are archived. and so there are a lot of things that have been said and written,
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and we will have access to based on this court decision. >> congressman bennie thompson, thank you very much. national archives says on friday, based on this judge's ruling that just came out now, federal judge tanya chutkin, there will be no preliminary injunction on behalf of former president trump. she will not enjoin or stop the efforts of the national archives to turn over key white house documents during the trump administration to the house starting friday. he is likely to appeal and to continue asking courts to block the situation, but for now, he lost. and the documents are coming through. our thanks to congressman bennie thompson. more breaking news on our watch. this time, in the aaron rodgers controversy. the nfl just handed down fines. what happened to the packers? what happened to rodgers and another player? but what is ultimately going to happen here in terms of what this means for him? he said today that he wanted to
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own and take full responsibility. listen to what he said and what he didn't say. and i have a huge star who is all about standing up in the face of controversy, kareem abdul-jabbar, why he is very worried about rodgers hurting not just sports but society. next. easy tools on the chase mobile app. simplicity feels good. chase. make more of what's yours.
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we have news on our watch. former president trump is not going to get to block the documents that the national archives has. including, according to bennie thompson, the head of the committee, that it took him six tries to satisfy his own staff that he was sending the right message on january 6th to get people to go home. how could a president need that many tries to tell people to go home? so we'll see what were in those other takes. >> now, we have more breaking news on another story. cnn just confirmed that the nfl
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is going to fine aaron rodgers, the green bay packers, and his teammate allen lazard for violating covid protocols, but the money here is not going to mean anything to rodgers. less than $15,000. same fine for his unvaccinated teammate. i don't go what his salary is. they were both cited for going to a halloween party unvaxed. isn't that the least of it in terms of rodgers' deception here. the club is going to have to pay $300 thoup, but neither of the players is getting benched. they're both going to be able to play. rodgers seems to be shifting his approach in the wake of the controversy. on friday, rodgers defended his immunized claim. he was asked, are you vaccinated? he said, yes, i'm immunized. okay, he wasn't vaccinated. that is a lie by omission. okay, it just is. and he defended himself by saying i'm in the cross hairs of the woke mob. look, wokeness has its
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challenges. cancel culture is real and has its challenges. this is not that. he is lying about a material fact. for whatever reasons, but not good ones. now, he says he takes full responsibility for his misleading comments. here's how he says full responsibility. >> i misled some people about my status, which i take full responsibility of. those comments, but in the end, i have to stay true to who i am and what i'm about. and i stand behind the things i said. >> so what does that mean? you stand behind the things you said, the things you said were misleading. you lied about not being vaccinated. that's what you're about? you're about lying about being
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vaccinated? nba legend kareem abdul-jabbar joins me now. he's not taking ownership of what he said. he's playing games. he's talking to friendly, you know, centers there who aren't going to question him. and he's kind of getting a pass, no pun intended, 14 grand. so what? he gets to keep playing. kareem, what do you think about it? >> well, i think mr. rodgers really hurt his team. he put their livelihood and their lives at risk. as well as the lives of his teammates and their families. and i don't think, you know, by not getting vaccinated and going maskless he has put himself in a position where someone could catch the covid virus from him and give it to someone else and they might not make it. they might not make it and get
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killed. this is absolutely a possibility. so by having a casual attitude about it, it's not doing anything good for him or professional sports. he's hurt professional sports by lying. >> how does he -- how does it go beyond him in your estimation? other than the possibility, as you put it, he could get others sick, how do you think it hurts sport? >> well, sports has some serious pr issues. and they're going to have to deal with it. there are investigations into the portland trail blazers general manager, the phoenix suns owner, the raiders cut damon arnett and henry ruggs for reprehensible behavior. rodgers lying and touting bad logic and even worse science has added to the damaging perception. you know, he's hurt a lot of people. and i think that the league did the right thing, at least
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showing that something has to be done about it. >> do you think that you say you think they did the right thing? $300,000 against the team, $14,000 against the two players involved. and a warning that if you do it again, it's going to get worse. but isn't the only way to punish a team or a player with playing time? >> yeah, i think the players are there to play and earn their salaries. if they're not playing, they're not earning their salaries. but i think the real issue was -- had to do with dealing with his lying about it. his lie removed others around them from their choice of being around an unvaccinated, maskless person. you know, do insurance companies endorse lying, such as telling their clients that they can lie on their medical forms? you can't do that.
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so what mr. rodgers has done has to be reprehended and hopefully people will get the idea it's important that we understand what the -- excuse me. the whole science of inoculation has nothing to do with what mr. rodgers said. and we have to get to the truth and protect people. and i think that that's what the issue is. >> i gotta tell you, kareem, you have made as gigantic as you are personally, but as gigantic as your legacy on the court, your leadership off it literally has been much longer even than your time on the court. you have been fighting big fights, standing up, taking scrutiny, sticking by your story, and owning things. that is a rare commodity now, and like it or not, aaron
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rodgers and other sporting figures, i saw a thread today about people who were talking about who's a good male role model, they were all entertainers. that's all we have in this society right now, and how people like a kareem abdul-jabbar or to a lesser extent, an aaron rodgers, how they represent themselves redounds way outside the level of the game, does it not? >> it absolutely does. and when the american public understands that you're honest and you tell the truth, they can believe you when you endorse a product. but when you have this type of activity, they must wonder, you know, what the real facts are, what the real truth is. >> well, kareem, you know i'm a huge fan. but i'm a fan because of what you have done with your life and even what you're standing in favor of right now, because i know you live it yourself. kareem abdul-jabbar, thank you very much, as always, a pleasure. >> great talking to you. thank you. so we get the perspective of
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a phenomenal athlete, right? and a real advocate. i don't have to tell you about kareem abdul-jabbar. you know him. that's on the players' side. being that figure. what about the organizational ramifications? a fine of money but not taking these players off the field, is that enough? bob costas is next. what he thinks this controversy means for the league and really means for society, and was this the right reaction? next. ! (burke) smart dog. with farmers crashassist, our signal app can tell when you've been in a crash and can send help, if you want it. get a whole lot of something with farmers policy perks. ♪ we are farmers. bum-pa-dum, bum-bum-bum-bum ♪
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garlique. breaking news in the aaron rodgers situation. the nfl brought fines against rodgers, another player, and the packers. is it enough? let's discuss with the lejd himself, bob costas, for context, it just came in as a reminder from my cajun cousin down in louisiana, you'll know this. last season, the saints lost a sixth round draft pick for 2022 because they broke covid protocol. no such penalty here. just money. and no more time with rodgers on the bench. is that enough? >> well, i don't know what the particulars were that they discovered by looking through all of the videotape. what i have read is they found some minor violations, but not serious infractions beyond
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rodgers not wearing a mask for his -- >> the mask rules. he lied about being vaccinated. isn't that an infraction? >> yes, yes, he did. i think that that subject has been pretty well covered across the spectrum of sports media and news media. people don't like the fact that he was disingenuous at best, and flat out lied by omission, as you put it, at worst. and he's paying a huge price in terms of his reputation for that. but here is a point that i would like to make, and dri don't thi it's been made often enough. very often, almost always in the present atmosphere, people retreat to their own favorite narratives. and they fit everything that happens into that narrative without making any distinctions. yet there's one aspect of this where the take should be the same from msnbc to fox news and everywhere in between. and that's from the football standpoint. if aaron rodgers, not just any player on the team, the
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quarterback, one of the best quarterbacks in league history, one of the single most important players in the league, if aaron rodgers had been vaccinated, he almost certainly would have played this past sunday against kansas city, he would have been able to prepare and practice and play at full alertness and full preparation against seattle this coming sunday. he says he'll play, but he can't set foot in a team facility until the day before the game. the chiefs beat the packers 13-7 on sunday. the packers scored seven points. if aaron rodgers had been there, it's reasonable to assume that the packers would have won the game. they would be 8-1. this year, the nfl added a playoff team. therefore now, there's only one bye, one. that's how valuable it is. and there is no home field advantage in all of sports that's more significant than green bay in january during the playoffs. so we put all that at risk.
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if he had been vaccinated, it's possible as we know to contract, to test positive if you're vaccinated. the symptoms are going to be nonexistent or very mild, almost always. in fairness, a 37-year-old fit and healthy man like aaron rodgers unvaccinated also is likely to have not always but likely and in his case, it's obviously true, mild to no symptoms. but the nfl has protocols. protocols not imposed by the league but jointly agreed upon with the league and the nfl players association. the same players association that protects aaron rodgers' rights and the rights of all the other players in the league, and all of their benefits. and those protocols would have allowed almost certainly a vaccinated aaron rodgers to play. and they almost certainly condemned him to not being able to play this past week and to play under compromised circumstances the following week. that is -- right there is the
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football issue. it's as if aaron rodgers were to say, if we're just talking about competition and his obligation to a team that pays him $35 million a year, as reported, and to all of his teammates, it would be as if aaron rodgers were to say, you know what, the league says that's an illegal formation. i think that's stupid. i don't think that's an illegal formation, so line up this way, and they're going to penalize them 15 yards every single time. that makes no sense. what if a baseball manager said, i hate the designated hitter rule. so i'm not going use a dh. i'm going to put me time at a competitive disadvantage as long as the rule is there. you can say, as some people have, oh, aaron rodgers is a hero of personal freedom. that's fine. but if you're just talking about his job and you're just talking about football and what he owes his team and his teammates and the league, i would think that anybody who isn't just retreating to their preferred narratives that looks at this with a clear eye and makes valid
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distinctions can say that this is a failure. you can't -- you cannot defend what he did in a football sense because the rules are there. and he violated -- he put himself in a position where those protocols were going to be imposed on him. he's not the backup tight end, not the long snapper. he's the leader and quarterback of one of the best teams in the league. they just lost a game and who knows what lies ahead. >> he does not seem to have big regrets. you know, he says i stand by what i said. the problem is, what he's standing by doesn't make any sense. but you're right. you know what, bob, i have not looked at it through that lens. this made a big difference that he didn't play, especially in the league the way it is now, and in terms of just momeant anymore who knows how his team is going to feel about him. they have been quiet, not like the brooklyn nets, but who knows what happens when he goes back in the locker room and how they'll feel going forward. >> chris, very briefly, you and
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i and most people watching do not agree with aaron rodgers' general take about the vaccines. but what i said about what he did to his team is undeniable. it is beyond dispute. that part cannot be debated. >> you're absolutely right. and that's got to matter, especially when you're the team leader. bob costas, i appreciate the fresh perspective. thank you. >> all right, chris. >> all right. i want you to meet someone who is a personal hero, not because of what he's doing now, but because of what he's all about. he is putting literally his health on the line, if not his life, in the interest of our democracy. you know the black eagle? i do. joe madison, radio talk show host, is joining us now. he says he will not eat until congress passes voting rights legislation. i don't like this in terms of his health because we know where it stands in congress. what this means to him, how far he's willing to go, and why, next.
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speaker. he goes by the black eagle. and he just announced a desperate measure. listen to this. >> i have begun this hunger strike. i should say this, in solidarity, let me repeat, in solidarity with all those who are calling on congress and the president of the united states to protect our voting rights. i call it basically starving for voting rights. just as food is necessary to sustain life, the right to vote is necessary to sustain democracy. >> joe madison joins us now. brother, i got to tell you, i'm a big fan. you know that. and i respect the passion. you say you're in solidarity. of course you are, but they're not starving themselves. you are.
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why take this kind of step? >> well, i'm reminded what happened with the compromise of 1877 when southern democrats basically dixiecrats, former slave holders ended the first reconstruction, chris, and the first thing they went after was the voting rights. and it changed this entire country. and it took darn near what, 60, 70 years to get the '65 voting rights act, and the amazing accomplishments to the point that in the last presidential election, particularly african american put biden in office, helped to put biden in office, turned a red state, georgia, blue. and the very next thing that happened, the very next thing that happened, there were 400
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bills passed in 49 states that would suppress that vote. i'm doing this, as i've said to people, i've got four children, five grandchildren, a great grandchild, and i'll be damned if i'm going to sit back here and allow their vote to be suppressed and their world to change the way that it changed our forefather's world in the 19th century. that's why. i you know, look, somebody once told me that there is a difference between a moment and a movement. and all movements require sacrifice. and that's a fact. and so that's been my life, and that's exactly why i am doing
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this. look, biden can do something. he is going to have to twist arms, but he can do something. and lord knows that manchin and sinema, they've got to decide do they want to be on the side of the eastmans and the dixiecrats of the 20th century, or do they want to protect the right to vote. they've got three choices. they can reconvene and try to pass the john lewis voting rights bill. i don't think they'll do it. they can't even get it to debate on it. they can kill or adjust the filibuster. and as you know, chris, they've adjusted this arcane law -- >> many time, it's not rule. how many times? two times, i think. >> yeah. >> for the budget and then for supreme court justices. and you're telling me that you can't adjust this for something as basic as the franchise, the
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most precious thing we have is that right to vote. and he went to his grave believing that. >> there is no question. but joe, look, and i'm not going to belabor this, but i really do want to keep inviting you back on the show because i want to keep attention on the fact that you're doing this, because, you know, three weeks is a second in congress in terms of what it takes them to do. three weeks not eating, you know, you're strong. you're great, but -- >> hey, chris, i've gone three months on a hunger strike. my mentor was dick gregory. and dick gregory and i, i did hunger strikes with him. i've been in -- as i always teach people, i've been in some of the best jails in america. >> i know. >> so what i'm saying to you, the purpose of a protest is to
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draw attention. >> i got it. and i'm giving you the attention, and i'm going to keep calling every week, and i want you to come on so we can remind people you're doing this. i'm all in. because i care about you and your legacy and the righteousness of your cause. but i hope it ends as soon as possible. okay? >> we've got the president's attention. we've got members of the senate's attention. and, you know, people are asking, well, what can i do? well, you know what? that's the point. everybody can do something. >> i hear you. >> that's what has to be done. >> joe madison, the black eagle. siriusxm. i'm very happy to be a colleague of yours, and thank you for coming on the show tonight. >> thank you, chris. love you. >> god bless. i hope it's a short strike. we'll be right back with the handoff.
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