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that's right, i said it. the shizzle is rizzle now when it comes to messing with congress's subpoenas. now, people know that contempt has teeth. what will it mean for bannon? but more importantly, what will it mean for the others that the probe wants to talk to? that's the question. now, we take for the answer, to the big show. "don lemon tonight" and its big star -- >> the shizzle is for rizzle. that's the second time i have had to correct you today but that's okay. >> wait, what you did you just say that i said differently? >> you said rizzli. >> and what did you say? >> for rizzle. >> listen, you are no authority on anything, do you understand that? >> don't he get all huffy with me. listen. everyone has been saying -- you remember the old saying -- well, i shouldn't say the old
saying -- but during the -- the first-trump lock her up, lock her up? >> well, look. he could get two years -- um -- in jail. >> i don't think he is going to testify. i think he is going to -- this is a badge of honor for him. >> yes, it makes him a martyr to his cause of basically trying to take down america, to build the america emts. he wants. and i really think that this is more about what it means for the other people. >> yeah. >> i don't believe that you are going to see a lot of people want to sit in jail for donald trump. >> except for the people who tried to break into the capitol, and -- >> a lot of them aren't winding up in jail, either. >> this is true. this is true. but, yeah. i -- i agree with you, 100%, on that. but i think, um, this is for mark meadows, this is for kayleigh mcenany. who was the other guy? steven miller and stepien and all those guys.
this is for them. and we have been saying what is taking merrick garland so long? apparently, he was crossing his ts and dotting his is, and then here we are on a friday night and steve bannon has been indicted, criminal contempt of congress. so -- >> yeah, it is a wbig deal. and it's also a good construction for our audience in terms of how you should view coverage. there is nothing wrong in saying what's merrick garland doing? you know, why aren't they talking more about this? because it was such a political thing, by nature, you would think that they'd be very expansive in their explanation of it but they weren't. but then, there was a whole other level of analysis that really was continuing right up until today, ironically. that here's why he is not going to do anything. here's why it's so much more complicated. here's why it's so hard for them. and all along, he was presenting evidence to the grand jury. >> yeah. >> the committee has no power. they have lost their teeth.
it's -- nothing is going to happen and whatever. they are going to disband. i mean, look. it's -- it was all out there. but um, i think we got to used to -- over the last five years or so -- everyone telegraphing, everyone boasting. everyone, you know, saber rattling, as they say. oh, we are going to go after those guys in the fake news and blah, blah, blah, and they are going to all of this and nothing ever happened. it was all lies. and now, you have people who are just quietly behind the scenes doing their jobs and all the sudden, here's what we got. boom, indictment. deal with it. >> and now, look. an indictment is not a conviction. >> yeah. >> um, but again, bannon -- trump exercises the privilege, right? i don't know that he has one to exercise. but in any case, best-case scenario, he has to do it. it was very broad, very expansive. >> yeah. >> really, what bannon should have done was shown up to testify and said, look, i can talk about this. i am not going to talk about those things until that stuff is settled with the privilege. >> until you take the fifth.
whatever. >> well, you could take the fifth but we understand why, though, you have the right. it often doesn't feel right to people. >> yeah. >> because it seems like you are hiding something. and he is just the opposite, right? he wants to be on the attack. >> yeah. well, remember that, too, because the folks who were, today and yesterday, saying -- when -- when the prosecution -- i don't know, sometime this week -- was, you know, criticized. and i think rightly so for talking about kyle rittenhouse's silence, right, before he got on the stand. and the judge said that is your right. so you have the right to be silent. and you have the right to take the fifth and you have a right not to incriminate yourself. so i just think those on the right who are looking at what happened with anyone or who -- with anyone, people have the right to be silent, right? >> you change stories there very deftly by the way. >> but i tell you what, just because you have a right doesn't make everything right and that judge going after the prosecutor about that constitutional point -- and i don't understand
what the prosecutor's thinking was in attacking the silence. he will have to explain that after all this is over. but when that prosecutor -- when -- wept nt into it with th judge, he wasn't talking to the judge about his miranda ruling. he was talking to him act his prior inconsistent statement ruling. >> talking about the constitution. >> and i think that, look, remember this, though, brother. if he is acquitted, there is no second bite at the apple, in all likelihood, for the prosecution because the judge stunk. unless you are appealing it in real-time, like right now, as you are doing that litigation as well, it's not going to happen. if he is acquitted, double jeopardy is going to protect him and that will stand. if it's a hung jury, you may sigh that come out as a new argument. >> this is how i am going to deftly change the subject, again, okay? because i am going to do something today -- to you that happened today. i am going to free chrissy cuomo. >> whether a did you just call
me? call me again and see what happens this weekend. i love you, d lemon. >> i am reserving judgment this evening. z i will let you know sunday -- at dinner on sunday night. take it easy, i will see you later. this is "don lemon tonight." well, we have all been asking when merrick garland's justice department was going to do something about steve bannon's stonewalling, and now we know. tonight is the night. tonight is the night. remember that song? who was that? i forget her name. i will think about it. and this is huge. this is huge. steve bannon, indicted on two counts of a contempt of congress for defying a subpoena from the january 6th committee. bannon was charged with one count related to his refusal to appear for a deposition, and another related to his refusal to produce documents. each count carries a minimum of 30 days and a maximum of of one year in jail. that's according to the justice department. a source tells cnn that bannon is expected to self-surrender on
monday, and appear in court on monday afternoon. so, stay tuned. the attorney general, merrick garland, issuing a statement and i quote here, since my first day in office, i have promised justice department employees that, together, we would show the american people, by word and deed, that the department adheres to the rule of law, follows the facts and the law, and pursues equal justice under the law. today's charges reflect the department's steadfast commitment to these principles. quote, merrick garland issuing today. the committee chairman, bennie thompson, and vice chair liz cheney, saying -- and i quote here again -- steve bannon's indictment should send a clear message to anyone who thinks that they can ignore the select committee or try to stonewall our investigation. no one is above the law. we will not hesitate to use the tools at our disposal to get the information we need. committee member ro khanna also weighing in tonight.
>> it sends a message that no american is above the rule of law. that the same rules apply to everyone, and i don't know why steve bannon thinks that he shouldn't have to answer questions from the united states congress or produce documents to the united states congress when every other citizen would comply. >> like i said, this is huge. the doj hasn't charged anyone with criminal contempt of congress in 38 years. and let's remember why the committee subpoenaed steve bannon, in the first place. they want to know more about moments like this one, we are going to show you, the day before the attack on the united states capitol. >> all hell is going to break loose tomorrow. just understand this. all hell is going to break loose tomorrow. it's not going to happen like you think it's going to happen. okay? it's going to be quite extraordinarily different. and all i can say is strap in. the war room -- a posse -- you have made this happen.
and tomorrow, it's game day. so strap in. >> that's what he said out loud. imagine what he knows that he doesn't want to tell. and there is this from bob woodward and robert costa in their book "peril." reportedly telling the then president, quote, we are going to bury biden on january 6th. now, the fact is this indictment may never force steve bannon to talk. but make no mistake, this is a warning shot aimed at the other members of team trump. let me explain. the message is -- is loud and clear. if you defy a subpoena, there will be consequences. that's got to have a whole lot of them shaking in their boots tonight. okay? stephen miller, kayleigh mcenany, michael flynn. and maybe most of all, mark meadow, who failed to appear for a deposition before the committee today. if he was counting on stonewalling, like bannon, he may be rethinking that strategy tonight. bennie thompson and liz cheney saying -- and i am quoting again -- it is unfortunate mr.
meadows has chosen to join a very small group of witnesses who believe that they are above the law, and are defying a select committee subpoena, outright. mr. meadows, mr. bannon, and others who go down this path won't prevail in stopping the select committee's efforts -- effort getting answers for the american people about january 6th. but in that same statement, there's this intriguing quote. indeed, mr. meadows has failed to answer even the most basic questions, including whether he was using a private cell phone to communicate on january 6th, and where his text messages from that day are. i am going to talk to our experts tonight about what investigators may be focusing on there. and it comes on the same day that we have stunning new audio of the former president defending the january-6th rioters who chanted hang mike pence. defending rioters who wanted to hang his vice president.
john carl from abc. >> are you worried about him during that siege? were you worried about his safety? >> no, i thought he was well protected and i had heard that he was in good shape. no, because i had heard he was in very good shape. but -- but -- >> you heard those chants. that was terrible. i mean, those -- you know, the -- >> he could have -- well, the people were very angry. >> they were saying hang mike pence. >> because it's common sense, john. it's common sense that you are supposed to protect -- how can you -- if you know a vote is fraudulent, right, how can you pass on a fraudulent vote to congress? >> i mean, in any other time, think about it -- what he just said -- in any other time, if we were in a different time, that would -- people would just be outraged. number one, you have someone who is condoning violence. condoning people saying -- condoning violent language. and people saying, hang mike
pence. hang the vice president. two things. on the right, it has become the norm. they have become desensitized to this stuff, right? they are just -- okay, whatever -- this is what it is. this is -- we're going to -- this is how we operate. their modus operandi. on the left, they are just dialed out because they are exhausted from it. they are just like, oh, my gosh. again. dialed out and people who think it's the norm now. it's okay to want to hang the vice president over a lie. that is outrageous, even for this former president. his then-vice president had to run for his life on january 6th. >> hang mike pence! hang mike pence! >> oh, and reality check.
as i said, the vote was not fraudulent. the election was not stolen. it was the most secure election in our nation's history, according to all involved. his own attorney general said that there is no evidence of widespread voter fraud that could have changed the outcome. arizona's election fraudit turned up more votes for joe biden and fewer for the former president. lit me say that, again. the fraudit that was supposed to show fraud in arizona that the election was tilted towards joe biden, right, because it was fake and they were going to uncover all of these fake votes and voter fraud actually turned up more votes for joe biden and fewer for the former president. so, actually didn't count enough for joe biden. state and federal judges dismissed more than 50 of the lawsuits by the -- the then
president and his allies. and he is condoning a bunch of vigilantes to put up a gallows outside the capitol and threatened to hang mike pence? that's a real gallows. so much for law and order. so much for law and order. that can be said about a lot of things that's happening right now. and let's not forget, really, what this is all about. okay? this is about more than a legal case. this is about the death of our democracy. that's not hyperbole. look at your screen. this is about a violent attempt to overturn our free and fair election. a bloody attack on the united states capitol. yeah, just regular, old tourists and patriots.
duly elected representatives of the american people forced to run for their lives, as the mob surged through the seat of our democracy. >> these people -- these people. >> bloodthirsty, seething rioters beating police officers trying to defend our capitol. yep. american flags, blue lives matter flags. all kinds of poles. just, i mean, yeah. look at all those red caps, too. sure, it was antifa. this about a president who told rioters this. while the whole blood and broken
glass was still being cleaned up at the capitol, he said this. watch. >> go home. we love you. you're very special. you've seen what happens. you see the way others are treated that are so bad and so evil. i know how you feel. >> hmm, he knows how you feel. um, never forget. never forget. never forget. this is about a former president, who doesn't want you to know what he did on january 6th and in the days leading up to the insurrection because that's what it was. an insurrection. a violent insurrection, a violent attempt to stop the peaceful transfer of power. he doesn't want his inner circle to answer questions. you have got to wonder, what's he trying to hide? so, the big news tonight is that steve bannon was indicted on two
counts of contempt of congress. we have got cnn senior legal affairs correspondent, paula reid. cnn senior legal analyst, preet bharara, here tonight. paula, good evening. and preet, i want to start with, um, evan perez, first, and jessica schneider. they broke this tonight. so, paula -- sorry, i am going to start with you -- paula, listen. we are expecting steve bannon to turn himself in on monday. so, what is going to happen after that? >> that's right, don. we expect him to self-surrender on monday and then appear in court that same afternoon. look, it's not expected that he would be detained while this all plays out. but like anyone, he has the option to potentially plead guilty, not -- not something that would be on brand for him. or he could fight this in a trial. and look, not everybody has the resources to take on the justice department but he does. and if -- big if -- he is convicted, he would also have the opportunity to appeal. i mean, this could be a really long, drawn-out process. but it appears right now, right out of the trump playbook, his
approach is to delay, delay, delay, fight, fight, fight. now, while it is possible that the house could change hands, and the committee could go away, the indictment will not. these charges will not just go away. so even though he tries to delay, these will remain. now, it's also important to note that one thing that they are not likely to get here is his cooperation. they cannot compel him here to cooperate. this is just punitive for completely defying this subpoena. it's unlikely the committee will ever hear from steve bannon. >> so, paula, mark meadows and some other trump allies are stonewalling the -- the committee, obviously. how much pressure does this bannon indictment put on them to -- to comply? >> well, as i just said, look, not everybody has the resources to fight criminal charges in the federal system. i have been speaking with sources in this case, and we know that some of the witnesses who have been stonewalling -- they have been watching to see what happens to steve bannon. will there be any repercussions for his blanket refusal to
comply? i know that if there was no indictment, if no charges were brought, some of those witnesses, i'm told, would have felt more emboldened to do the same thing. but now, they see, look, there could potentially be consequences and a cost. but again, it does not mean that they are going to run to the committee and just give them everything they want. some witnesses will likely engage with the committee in a negotiation to try to narrow the topics that they would be willing to cooperate on. some could also, potentially, show up and plead the gififth. it is more likely they will get more engagement from these witnesses. it is highly unlikely we are going to see too many more of these blanket refuseless but it's certainly no guarantee that they are going to get total cooperation from anybody. >> all right. thank you, paula. i appreciate that. the committee says that mark meadows has fail today answer whether he was using a private cell phone on january 6th and where his text messages from -- are -- where they are from that day. so, preet bharara, what could -- i mean, what could be on that phone that they want? i mean, don't answer that.
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congress. for ignoring the subpoena from the house january 6th committee. bannon's a major trump ally, and now he is charged with refusing to appear for a deposition. and refusing to turn over documents. bannon's lawyer told the committee that the former-trump strategist would not cooperate because his old boss told him not to, claiming executive privilege. a lot to discuss with cnn senior legal analyst, preet bharara, a former-u.s. attorney. sorry for the wait, preet. i had to get a break in. i went a little longer at the top. but i wanted to give you your -- the time that u deserve here to go through all this. so thank you for joining us. let's talk about it. it is a huge development. you can't deny that. it is a standoff. bannon indicted. two counts for refusing to testify or provide documents. this is a slam-dunk case for the justice department? >> i wouldn't -- there is no such thing as a slam-dunk case when you are talking about a criminal prosecution because it depends on the judge, it depends on the jury. but i think it's pretty strong. and, you know, part of the reason you know it's pretty strong is it's the first time
the justice department, as you said earlier, has brought such a case -- criminal contempt of congress -- in 38 years. and of all the cases that we have been talking about and all the people who have been intransigent and defiant of the subpoenas, it's probably true -- we don't know the full list yet and more are coming -- it's probably true that steve bannon has the least-good argument for defying the subpoena because he wasn't in the government at the time. and so, his claim of executive privilege, i think, you know, falls very short of the mark and it's kind of good, i think, for the justice department and for the committee that steve bannon was almost so defiant that he was, you know, practically begging the department to indict him. again, for the first time in 38 years. which sends a message to everybody else. it will take some time for his case to unfold. he will be arraigned on monday. he will plead not guilty. at some point, i am sure he will insist on a trial. and that will take some time. he will, in the interim, move to dismiss the case. we will see what happens with
that. but it's not a slam dunk but it's pretty strong. >> so, mark meadows fail today show up to testify today before the committee. the committee chairman, bennie thompson, and -- and also, liz cheney, right? the chair as well. they say that they are -- they are going to consider pursuing contempt charges against them. there is a good chance that bannon is relish inning all of this. but what about mark meadows and others? does this change the calculus for them? >> you know, it -- the psychology of individuals varies from person to person. in -- in prior conversations that you and i and others have had on the question of whether or not someone will flip, it depends on, you know, what their tolerance is for defending themselves, paying the money it cost to defend yourself. p possibly, having a prison term in your future. some people are built a way like steve bannon, as other folks have been saying earlier in the program. may like the idea of being a martyr. may like the idea of the attention. may like the idea of the battle.
other people may not relish it so much. unclear, where mark meadows is on that but i -- you know, probably the rest of the group is not as excited about being charged, prosecuted, and phone s potentially sent to jail for minimum of a month as steve bannon. >> yeah. i want to read this. this is from thompson and cheney's statement on meadows. indeed, mr. meadows has failed to answer even the most basic question, including whether he was using a private cell phone to communicate on january 6th and where his text messages from that day are. i mean, he -- meadows was possibly using a private cell phone. i mean, there -- it raises the idea of missing texts, as well, there. text messages. it seems like no accident that they would include this in their statement. what could be on that phone? and why is he using a private phone? >> well, there are -- you know, people who are in government understand that the official phones they use, the official blackberries in the old days and iphones, more recently, those documents are preserved. those communications are
preserved. and sometimes, it's the case that they want to use other devices to ever surreptitious conversations with people around them, up to and including the president of the united states, and they feel more comfortable having conversations that are more dubious and maybe not proper. and maybe, that would be incriminating on these other devices. and so, you always want to look for the other devices. what's not clear to me is whether or not the committee knows the information about the other device, and is just sort of, you know -- you know, playing psychological warfare here or they have already gotten some of that information from third parties knowing what the phone number is, knowing who the communications provider is. but they also want to get the information directly from the witness. we'll have to see. >> yeah. if congress decides to refer more criminal charges to other trump aides who don't cooperate and -- but don't even both -- don't even bother to show up
here. do you expect that merrick garland would seek prosecution on those, too? >> so as i said, i think the easiest case to bring so far based on the nature of the arguments that they have and the nature of the -- of the witness and their relationship to the president -- the former president. and their placement in or outside the executive branch, steve bannon was probably the lowest-hanging fruit. that doesn't mean there won't be other prosecutions but i don't think it will be the case that everyone who does not cooperate fully is going to be on the other end of an indictment by the justice department. that doesn't make sense. that's not efficient. and probably, wouldn't go well for the justice department. i think they are going to, you know, have to pick their shots, pick their spots on -- on who is being most intransigent. who does or does not have a viable case of being able to defend themselves based on executive privilege. i think the worst-case scenario for people is -- people like mark meadows -- who don't even give the respect to the committee of showing up, invoking whatever privilege base
on the particular question being asked. jeffrey clark, who is another, you know, interesting figure in all of this -- a former-justice department official -- basically didn't do much more than steve bannon did. but he did show respect by showing up to the committee with his lawyer. answering probably some mundane questions that he didn't have any worry about and -- and wouldn't incriminate him. but then, refused to answer a bunch of other questions. will he be charged if he doesn't bring more information forward? maybe. but it's a little bit of a smarter strategy on his part. >> have you seen anything like this? i mean, beyond watergate? have we -- have we seen anything like this? >> i was young when watergate happened. no, we haven't. and by the way, i think -- i think it's important to always go back to -- to a fundamental process, and that is this. we see, over and over again, not just in this context but in the context of the pandemic and other things, when some branch of the government, some element of the government says we need to do this extraordinary thing that's unprecedented.
whether it's seeking indictment against someone who's invoked executive privilege or mandates for vaccines or whatever the case may be. doesn't end there. you have to look at what is the thing that is causing that action to be taken and if the thing that is causing that action to be taken is, itself, unp unprecedented and extraordinary, that explains the situation a little bit better. and so, the thing that is important here to remember when you zoom out for a moment is what are they inquiring about? it's not a stock trade. it's not some petty corruption at a corporation. it's a fundamental issue of an insurrection at the capitol, during which people tried to bring physical harm to the speaker of the house, nancy pelosi. they chanted that they wanted to hang mike pence. and so, when you have a congress that is trying to protect itself against attacks from within the country, i think extraordinary measures are called for and that's an important thing to keep in mind. and i think the judges who are adjudicating these cases will
keep that fundamental principle in mind. >> yeah. preet, thank you so much, sir. have a good weekend. >> thanks, don. >> thank you. we have got a lot more on former-trump adviser steve bannon being indicted today, as audio emerges of the former president making excuses for the violent mob that stormed the capitol screaming hang mike pence. >> you better run, cops! so subaru is growing our commitment to protect the environment. in partnership with the national forest foundation, subaru and our retailers are proud to help replant 1 million trees to help restore our forests. subaru. more than a car company.
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steve bannon's indictment turning the focus on other prominent trump allies who have been stonewalling congressional investigators. people, like the former chief of staff, mark meadows. he failed to show up for a deposition today. putting him under threat of criminal contempt of congress, as well. that, as new audio shows that the former president defended rioters who threatened to hang mike pence on january 6th. so joining me now, cnn political commentators anna navarro and scott jennings. the band is back together. good evening, to both of you. good to see you. anna, i am going to start with you. the doj showing it is not playing around. bannon predicted all hell would break loose on january 6th and it did. he kept stonewalling. i imagine that you have a few thoughts on this, this evening? >> i'm -- i'm happy about it. i think it was about time and i think you really should not be able to flaunt, you know, be
so -- flaunt privilege and be so arrogant and really just disregard the law and get away with it. that's not what america is. that's not what america is founded on, so i am glad that he is being taken to task and that the doj is taking action to hold him accountable. what that i's going to end up i i don't know. as everybody else has said before me, i am sure he is going to love this. i am sure we are going to see a lot of video and images of him going into the court holding up his hand in a sign of defiance, and he is going to bask in the attention. but, listen. steve bannon's worth tens of millions of dollars, reportedly. the other people are not. the other people need jobs. and they need board seats. and they need speeches. and they need contributorships. i don't know many people that want to hire folks that are indicted or embroiled in a case like this about breaching democracy. >> well, scott, mark meadows.
that's the next one. he could be facing his own criminal contempt referral. lawmakers especially want to know if he used a private cell phone on january 6th. do you think those like meadows who aren't complying try to go down as martyrs, holding onto, you know, undying loyalty to the former president? or do you think that they're going to cave? >> yeah. meadows and the other sitting white house staffers most likely have a better argument than steve bannon did. bannon has no argument. he was not a white house staffer. i mean, there is really no privilege here. he is obviously on the wrong side of the -- the law here. meadows has a stronger argument. my suspicion is that they would rather not be if the position that bannon i think is trying to maneuver himself into, which is as anna suggested, to be sort of a totem for, you know, this whole movement. i don't think that is in the best interest, professionally, of people like mr. meadows and others and probably not what they are angling for. one of the ways they could have potentially cured this was show up, answer some questions, and try to invoke privilege on
others and try to work with the committee. that's something that's been done in the past to try to avert these sorts of situations. so, i don't know what the ultimate end game is for him. but my recommendation is try to not be indicted if you can avoid it, if at all possible. >> yeah. good advice, scott jennings! okay. so listen. >> hey, i am not a lawyer or anything but that's just my outside looking in. >> but -- but you play one on tv. listen. i have got to -- >> listen. >> i have got to ask you -- >> don, getting indicted in federal court could add up to hundreds of thousands, if not more, in legal fees very quick. >> yeah. so, anna, let -- let's talk about the former president defending the threats from rioters to hang mike pence. i mean, at any other time, i think this -- people would be outraged and it would be, you know, breaking news and that's all we -- we would be talking about. now, i think this is -- it has sadly become the norm but it is
insane. >> i'm not even sure what the newsworthiness of it is. it would be newsworthy if he had said something differently. but this is donald trump. he is going to be in his death bed. and in his last breath, he is going to be blaming mike pence for having allowed the election to be stolen from him in a fraudulent way. he is never going to change his story. donald trump cannot accept that he is a loser, that he is a loser. a loser. let me say it in spanish. [ speaking foreign language ] he can't. his ego cannot take it. and so, he has convinced himself of this. even if it means, you know, not caring about the fact that there was literally, actually a noose hanging there for mike pence. and i -- you know, but the mike pence thing i think is relevant to what we were talking about before because if i am one of these trump loyalists who is looking at a possible indictment and i see the lack of loyalty towards somebody like mike
pence, who practically shined the guy's boots for four years, i really have to question whether it's worth the pain, the emotional distress, the financial distress, and everything that comes with it. >> yeah. anna, listen. next time, i want you to just really tell us how you really feel. um, scott, sorry. we don't have any more time to, you know, but your facial expression said everything. i mean, a million words as she was speaking. >> thank you. yes. >> thank you. >> i try to emote and tell the viewers how i feel. >> esquire. scott jennings, esquire. thank you. i appreciate both of you. she didn't have power over her money, her body, her life. but now, britney is free!
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she is free. i am talking about britney spears 13 year conservatorship over. terminating the arrangement today. fans of the singer cheered and celebrated outside the court just moments later. look at them. the pop star shared her appreciation in an instagram post saying, god -- good god, i love my fans so much. it's crazy. i think i am going to cry the rest of the day. best day, ever. praise the lord. can i get an amen? hashtag freed. britney. can i get a woot, woot. so joining me cnn legal analyst, areva martin, the author of "awakening, ladies, leadership, and the lies we've been told." i had to do the -- >> we all need a good laugh on a
friday night. >> can we put that book back up, real quick, though? look at areva. okay? >> you in a good mood, don. >> well, it's friday but awakening. you are making it rain on that cover. >> i love it. those are both my book titles. i love you. >> huge day for britney spears, after 13 years. finally, free from this conservatorship. how long have we been talking about -- does she now have full control of every aspect of her life, areva? >> every aspect of her life, don. her finances, her personal decisions, her reproductive rights, who she dates, who she marries, how many kids she has. every decision that an adult should be able to make, britney can now make. and thank the lord. i agree with her. can we get an amen on that? >> hashtag freed britney. her attorney, mathew rosengart, said a safety net will be in place for spears' finances and personal care. um, that's good but what does it entail? >> well, what we know is that he
is going to transfer her assets into a trust. and there is probably going to be a team of lawyers and financial people and people that will help her make her own decisions, rather than having her father -- which is, you know, what happened for the last 13 years and other lawyers and conservators -- make decisions for her. clearly, britney did not require conservatorship. and unfortunately, there are over a million people in this country who find themselves in conservatorships, and it's like $50 billion, don, in assets that are controlled by other people. so, you can imagine that these situations are ripe for fraud. >> yeah. i wonder if this legal battle with her father is just getting starred because, you know, she said this was -- conservatorship was abusive. her attorney is asking for a discovery related to allegations that her father used recording devices. all this stuff. in her bedroom without consent. so what do you think? just the begin something. >> yeah i think it's the beginning. she has a really skilled attorney. he came in and turned this case around in matter of months. he has filed 110-page document
requesting a deposition and documents about how money was spent, how britney was surveilled which i guess there is some allegations she had listening and cameras in her bedroom. you know, and these are serious matters. if there were -- if there was mismanagement, if there was embezzlement of funds, not only might there be civil charges filed or a civil complaint filed, there could be criminal >> areva, thank you. "awakening." >> have a good night, don. play some more of that bobby brown to take us out ♪ everybody's talkin' all this stuff about me ♪ ♪ why don't they just let me live ♪ ♪ i don't need permission ♪ ♪ make my own decisions ♪ ♪ that's my prerogative ♪ ♪ that's my prerogative ♪ moves you, and bonds you. ...papa?
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so take this. a republican who lost an election has conceded the race and is rebuking any claims of voter fraud, seriously. don't believe me. i want you to take a listen to new jersey republican candidate for governor jack ciattarelli. >> i hate to lose. ask mayor deseeco. but i'm also someone who believes strongly in our republic and our democratic processes. enough votes have been counted. there does not appear to be a path to victory or the basis for a recount, nor do we know of any systemic or widespread fraud. so, no, i see no proof that this election was stolen. >> wow. see how easy that is? telling the truth. see how easy that is? goes to show not everyone is
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so here's our breaking news tonight. steve bannon, the onetime chief strategist to the former president, indicted by a federal grand jury on two counts of contempt of congress for ignoring the subpoena by the house january 6th committee. bannon charged with refusing to appear for a deposition and refusing to turn over documents. this major development as trump incredibly appears to defend t