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many of them are less trafficked bridges. they're often overlooked when decisions are being made about where and how to invest and rebuild. these bridges are essential in small towns, rural areas, farmers and small businesses like in my state of delaware. not only about 700 -- you have about 700 miles of highway in new hampshire that is listed in poor condition. cost new hampshire drivers estimated extra 476 dollars every year per person driving in gas and repairs and longer commute times. that's $476 in hidden tax on new hampshire drivers. as a result of deteriorating infrastructure. but thanks in infrastructure law we're going to make the most significant investment to modernize our roads and bridges in 70 years. law is going to speed up replacement of bridges by the year and allow new hampshire to invest in other critical
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infrastructure needs. this also represents the most significant investment in passage of rail in 50 years in public transit every. here in new hampshire, that means replacing about one third of the transit vehicles, buses and the like that are past their useful life. what it means you'll be safer, get to where you're going faster and save money. this means jobs. jobs for folks making these upgrades. estimated it will create up to 2 million jobs extra a year and up to 16 million jobs. nationwide, union jobs, jobs you can raise a family on, jobs that can't be outsourced. that's not all it will mobilize our ports, airports and freight rail to make it easier for companies to get goods to market. reduce the bottle chain. i had to convince the ports of long beach and los angeles where 40% of all products come into
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the western united states to stay open seven days a week, 24 hours a day because they're backing up ships and container vessels for miles and miles and miles. hundreds of them. that's the reason why you don't have things on the shelves. why? because people are dying of covid in eastern part of the pacific, western part of the pacific making the products that we're in fact buying here in the united states of america or products that go into the products we buy. folks, we'll lower costs for you and your families. this congressional delegation we're going to start by replacing 100% of the lead water pipes and service lines in the united states and address pfos dangerous forever chemical that is a threat to drinking water here in new hampshire. every american, every child should turn on the faucet and drink clean water, which will also create thousands of good-paying jobs for plumbers and pipe fitters replacing these
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pipes. you know, in every meeting about this law, this delegation made it clear that high speed internet is essential as essential as clean water and electricity. i don't know how many times y'all have told me that. but i think i already knew it but you never let me forget it. and now not just in new hampshire, for new hampshire families, but new hampshire businesses as well, today one in every ten new hampshire households doesn't have internet subscriptions. and a lot of places there's no broad band infrastructure at all. the law is going to make high speed internet affordable and available everywhere in new hampshire, urban, suburban, rural, create jobs laying down those broadband lines and 21st century america no parent, no parent should ever have to sit in a parking lot of a fast food restaurant to connect to the internet so their kids can do their homework or they can get their job assignment. really, think about it. this law also builds on our resilience to extreme weather. swirn new hampshire, 200-year
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storms in recent years. hurricane irene hit very hard. every winter power will go out from ice storms. well from 2010 to 2020, extreme weather events cost new hampshire $500 million in damages. nationwide extreme weather events cost this year, this year, $99 billion in damages. i can tell you because i flew over almost all of it. you know, more fires in the west burned to the ground homes, businesses and forests than the entire state of new jersey from cape may to new york city. this is the united states of america for god sake. and why is it happening? well, the severe storms knocking down all the wires -- any way, there's a lot going on. we have to -- this law build back our bridges, water systems, power lines, our grids and for better and stronger resilience. so fewer americans are going to be flooded out of their homes, lose power for days and weeks
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after storms hit. look, there's much more to this law but most of all this law does something else historic, mag ji, jean, annie, chris, we understand it is time to rebuild the backbone of this nation. reason why i ran. i left politics. i had no intention of running again. until i really got upset when i saw those folks coming out of that field down in virginia carrying swastikas and torches and white supremacists. but you know what else what really angered me, take a look at what's happened over the last 20 years. the backbone of this nation has been hallowed out. hard-working middle class folks. if i hear one more person tell me how wall street built america i think i'm going to -- any way. but seriously. the middle class built, built, built this country. they've been left out, trickle
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down economics does not work. to rebuild the economy from the bottom up the middle out is what i wanted to do. of the listed billionaires in the america, they have made in the last four years $1 trillion. i'm a capitalist. you want to be a billionaire and a millionaire, that's great. good for you. but pay your fair share. 400 corporations -- 550 corporations the fortune 500. guess what, i misspoke. 55 corporations in the fortune 500 made $40 billion last year. did not pay one single penny in taxes. who knows who pays it. y'all pay it, as they say in southern del. y'all do. for real. think about it. and so that's why this bill is paid for. look, this long overdue promise
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creates better jobs for millions of americans. i'll be clear especially here in new hampshire, no one earning, no one earning in america less than $400,000 will pay a single solitary extra penny in extra taxes. i wouldn't let the bipartisan commission include gas tax in this bill. because that would mean working folks would pay more money. this is a blue collar blueprint to rebuild america from this law. it leaves nobody bind. now we'll implement this infrastructure law with some speed and discipline. i asked the former mayor of new orleans and former lieutenant governor of louisiana, mitch lander. mitch loves the cold and snow. but mitch is going to do what i had responsibility to do with the recovery act. i was asked by the president to make sure that $900 billion that was being spent was, in fact,
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used well. well, guess what, we spent all that money, rebuilt an awful lot of things, waste or fraud, that will be mitch's job making sure that everything gets out and goes where it's supposed to go. look, we're at a flexion point in american history. this law, this law meets that point for most of the 20th century we led the world by significant margin because we invested in ourselves. but somewhere along the way we stopped investing in ourselves. we risk losing our edge as a nation and china and the rest of the world are catching up and in some cases passing us. our infrastructure used to be rated the best in the world. now this is not a joke, the best in the world, according to the world economic forum, we now rank 13th in the world in terms of infrastructure. we're about to turn things around in a big way. for example, next year will the first year in 20 years that
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american infrastructure investment will grow faster than china's, for example. we'll once again have the best roads, bridges, ports and airports. and we are building again and moving again. folks, when you see these projected started in your hometowns, i want you to feel what i feel, pride. pride at what we can do together as united states of america. and as some -- you know, i think the same goes -- i don't want to get into detail because you're going to be freezing. but my plan to build back better for our people. getting folks back to work and reducing the cost of things like childcare, elder care, housing, healthcare, prescription drugs, 13, 13 -- excuse me, 14 nobel said in economics it will bring down the cost, reduce the deficit and is totally paid for and will reduce inflation and meet the moment of climate change as well. the leadership of this
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delegation i'm confident that the house is going to pass this bill. and when it passes, it will go to the senate. i think we'll get it passed within a week. and it's fully paid for. and it will reduce the deficit over the long-term as i said and again no one making less than 400 grand will pay a single penny more in federal taxes. let me close with this, throughout our history we've emerged from crisis by investing in ourselves. during the civil war, we built the trance continental railroad, uniting and connecting the east and west coast. uniting america. during the cold war, we built the interstate highway system, transforming how americans live, where they're able to live. and now as we work to put the covid-19 pandemic behind us, we will build an economy of the 21st century. it matters. last night i had an important virtual meeting for 3.5 hours with the president of the china, xi jinping. years ago when i was vice president he asked me when we were near the tibeten plateau.
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if i met with him more than any other world leader has. he asked me if i could define america for him. this is a god true story. and i looked at him and said, yes, i can. in one word. possibilities. think about it. of all the nations in the world we're the only one, the only nation i can think of, that has come out of crisis stronger than we went into it. and america we've always believed anything is possible. anything is possible. we've got to reestablish that spirit. we have to reestablish that sense of who we are. there's no limit to what our people can do. there's no limit to what our nation can do. if you think about this thing, it's never been a good bet to bet against america. every world leader i meet with and he starts -- it's never been a good bet. never. give americans half a chance, ordinary americans, half a chance, they have never, ever, ever, ever let their country
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down. not once. because maggie and jean and annie and chris, this new law gives our people a real chance. gives us a real chance. gives everybody a chance. and that's why i truly believe that 50 years from now when historians write about this moment, i think they're going to talk about this was the beginning of the time where america recaptured the competition of the 21st century. we reasserted ourselves. that's exactly what we're going to do, what we can do, what we will do. i promise you. god bless you all and may god protect our troops. thank you for your time. thank you. president biden talking about basically selling the idea of the law that he signed yesterday, the bipartisan infrastructure law that's going to fix that bridge that he is standing on right there as well as bridges and airports and roads and lead pipes, as he said, and internet across the country. and he made his case. he really believes, victor, that
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this is more than obviously about infrastructure. he thinks that it's about the american spirit and entrepreneurialism and that this is what he thinks will turn america around and give it a fighting chance. >> yeah. it's also the president said there reinvestment in the u.s. but also it speaks to the competitiveness of the u.s. versus china, which he says is the top of his foreign policy list. we heard from the president many times where he says how far down the list the u.s. has fallen as it relates to the strength of its infrastructure. and this $1.2 trillion legislation he signed yesterday, the effort now to rebuild that infrastructure, the president's remarks today from the 175, a bridge on the red list, meaning it's structurally deficient. $4.5 million from this legislation will now go to fully rehab that. let's go to cnn's chief congressional correspondent manu raju. manu, this is one half of the president's legislative agenda now signed into law. the other half, the social
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safety net bill, where is that moving? what's the time line to get that to his desk? >> well, chuck schumer the senate majority leader said he wants it out of the senate before christmas. that's the timeline of the senate. now, there's a problem because not everybody in the senate agrees. that includes senator joe manchin, that key vote. he raised concerns when we talked to him today about the push to try to get this done by the end of the year, raising concerns about the timing, about the policy and about what he has been saying for weeks. there's concerns about inflation, all the things that have been hearing -- he's hearing back home about the increase in grocery prices and gas and the like and concerns that the bill could actually add to inflation. that of course is something the white house itself is rejecting. but earlier today when i caught up with senator manchin i asked him about the concerns he's hearing back home about this bill, the $1.75 trillion bill to expand the social safety net and he did point to the issue
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inflation. >> you were just back home for a week. do your voters want this bill, this big, massive bill right now? >> i think my voters in west virginia but i'm not speaking for the whole country, my voters are a lot differently but they're very much concerned. inflation hit them extremely hard. i hear it if i go to the grocery store or gas station, they say are you as mad as i am, i say absolutely. >> reporter: now, first things first, getting it out of the house. that is the immediate concern of the democratic leaders at the moment. they are trying to get this bill through by -- as soon as thursday, if not friday. they're trying to ensure that it's fully paid for, the congressional budget office key estimate that they're waiting for assuming that comes back and shows it's fully financed they believe they can get the support of some key moderates and get this through the house but alisyn, as you know, just three democratic defections could be enough to sink it in the house and then if they get -- they stem those defections, then the question comes to what happens in the senate. so still a lot of steps ahead
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for democrats to send that piece of legislation to joe biden's desk. >> manu, you don't have any reporting i don't suppose yet on what the score will be or which way it's going? >> reporter: so we're hearing about concerns that it actually will fall short of what president biden has promised. that this bill will be fully paid for. the democratic version in the house cost $1.9 trillion. but there's an expectation that one aspect of that that is how the increased revenue from more enforcement by the irs to force people to pay delinquent taxes that that estimate will come up short. the white house projects that that aspect would raise about $350 billion, but the expectation of the congressional budget office will not estimate it raises that much revenue. so behind the scenes the white house has been trying to assuage concerns telling democrats on the hill that their methodology, the cbo's is different than the white houses and to trust what the white house is saying. so the question is going to be
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when do these numbers officially come out in the next couple of days if that is enough to satisfy the concerns of those moderates who say this bill needs to be fully paid for or if there will be concern the cbo shows it could potentially add to the budget deficit so those are the big questions ahead as they try to push that through with such a narrow margin just a handful of members could sink the entire effort. >> okay, manu raju, thank you very much. the jury in the trial of kyle rittenhouse has been deliberating for more than four hours now. five men, seven women deciding if the illinois teen acted in self defense or if he committed homicide when he shot and killed two -- and wounded a third in kenosha, wisconsin, last year. during protests over a police shooting. >> it was interesting to see because rittenhouse himself had a hand in picking the jurors this morning. he was randomly pulling the numbers out of a box, basically, for who would be the six
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alternates. they must stay at the courthouse while the jury deliberates these five felony counts. the most serious of them first degree intentional homicide. that carries a mandatory sentence of life in prison. cnn's shimon prokupecz in kenosha outside of the courthouse. what have we heard thus far from the jury? >> reporter: so, one note pretty much right after they began their deliberations this morning they sent a note to the judge saying they wanted more copies of the jury instructions, specifically they were looking for the first six pages of the instructions, which have to do with self defense and provocation and also the charges that rittenhouse is facing in connection with shooting joseph rosenbaum. after that we didn't hear anything else from them. they did have a lunch break. they had some pizza. they took a break and went back to deliberating. that's all that we have heard from the jury this morning. they're continuing clearly to do their work.
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the court has not given any indication as to how long this will go, when does the judge plan to tell them, okay, you can go home for the night. right now just appears they're going to continue to work. we have not heard from them, as i said, since this morning. you know, it could be that the judge keeps them here for as long as they want. this judge likes to ask them what they want to do. he'll take a poll. ask them how many of them want to keep going through the night. and we could stay or if they want to leave, we will leave. but so far only one note from this jury as they continue their deliberations here. >> shimon prokupecz in wisconsin. thank you. let's bring in paige and phillip. welcome to you both. let me start with you, phillip. we had kim in the last hour who talked about how race is an undertone in this trial. the consideration if kyle rittenhouse were a black 17-year-old running around with an ar-15, hell, a pellet gun,
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would there be a different narrative here. what do you think of the makeup of the jury that was pulled out of that tumbler, 11 white jurors and one person of color. is that relevant here in what we should expect how this jury approaches what happened over the last couple weeks? >> i don't think so. >> okay. >> i don't think so at all. obviously it's a very difficult case and it's a very heated environment. but i don't think race is important here. and especially the narrative here is all the people who were shot were white, the defendant is white, so it's hard to bring that kind of narrative in then. i know sometimes people believe that the media brings those things in to try to get more attention. but it's hard in this case because, as i say, the victim or the people who were shot, were all white and the defendant is
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white. and that's just the fact of the matter. so, i really don't think race is a factor here in this case. >> paige, what do you think about what this -- what the attorneys for and against have been able to prove? do you -- did you hear a compelling case that this was self defense or do you believe the prosecution that, in fact, kyle rittenhouse made the provocative move that then set everything in motion? >> well, alisyn, i think the prosecutor said something during closing argument which really puts the focus on what's now going to be the issue in the case. everyone who looks at this case can see something different. so i do believe that whatever you came into this courtroom with, in other words the jury, when they came into the courtroom, their background, their perceptions, what they think about protests, what they think about race relations, that will affect how they see the evidence. the other thing that i think is
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critical goes to the jury instructions. one particular instruction and the jury has asked for a copy of this, is about self defense. it is not the defendant's responsibility to prove he acted in self defense but the prosecution's responsibility to disprove that beyond a reasonable doubt. if you're back in the jury, arguing about the case, you can't decide ties go to the defense. that will make it very difficult for the prosecution to get a conviction on all counts here. >> one of the more memorable if not the most memorable moment of this testimony was when kyle rittenhouse broke down on the stand, phillip. and we heard the state reference that in their closing arguments. here is what we heard from tom binger. >> he showed no remorse for his victims. never tried to help anybody that he hurts. and even on the witness stand when he testified on wednesday he broke down crying about
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himself. not about anybody that he hurt that night. no remorse, no concern for anyone else. for him to call himself a medic is an insult to anyone like gauge who spent hundreds of hours training and working hard to become an emt. it's an insult. >> phillip, the reporting that day was that the jury seemed to sympathize with rittenhouse when he started sobbing. is that effective with the jury to say those tears dismiss them, those were for him? >> no, i don't think it's effective at all. i think when he broke down on the stand, it showed him to be human and it also sort of dispelled a great thought about that this is some sort of hard-nosed right wing zealot. he's a very young person, a kid at the time. and it's been very much
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humanized him i think for the jury. i don't think that the jurors thought that this was -- these were, crocodile tears or something false. i think it was genuine. and i think he was upset and it was conveyed by that that he's upset by the entire situation that this happened. and that he didn't like it and didn't want it to happen. and i think the prosecution had always tried to present that he was there to try to kill someone or to do something to someone. and i think that helped in dispelling that notion. so i think it was effective and certainly i think the jurors will consider that as they're instructed to do so. >> go ahead, page. >> i think it all depend on how you relate to kyle rittenhouse. and that brings up victor's point, race is important here. not so much because of the racial makeup of the victim and the person who is on trial, but in the jury, how you perceive the actions of kyle rittenhouse, do you look at kyle as your son, your cousin, your brother or do you look at him as someone who
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inserted himself into a very volatile situation with a very dangerous firearm looking for trouble? and i don't think you make that decision based on the evidence. i think you make that decision on who you are as a person. and so that's how i do think the racial makeup of this jury is important. people see things differently. and it's a product of culture, background, experience, a whole ball of things that are outside the evidence that it was presented in court. >> well, we shall see. the jury has been deliberating now -- sorry, phillip. we're out of time. it's been deliberating for more than three hours now and we'll see if we get any more clues as they continue. page pate, phillip turner, thank you very much. >> you're welcome. thank you. rev raend jesse jackson returns to the courtroom for the trial of three men accused of killing ahmaud arbery as one of the defense attorneys once again complains about prominent black pastors attending. reverend jackson is going to join us ahead.
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switch and get up to $200. today in georgia, the medical examiner who performed the autopsy on ahmaud arbery took the stand and gave graphic testimony about the gunshot wounds that killed him. also one of the attorneys insinuated it could intimidate or influence jurors who was in the courtroom. >> that same attorney complained about the reverend jackson. he was back at the courthouse
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today. cnn's martin savidge is covering this trial and joins us now. martin, tell us about what happened in court today and also with this medical examiner taking the stand. >> reporter: yeah, the medical examiner is consider to be one of the big witnesses for the state here. he was going over the wounds, the fatal wounds that ahmaud arbery suffered on the day he was killed. there were three gunshots. shotgun shots but there were only two that struck ahmaud arbery. nonetheless, the medical examiner said either one of them would have been fatal and pointed out that first aid rendered by first responders would have made no difference that ahmaud arbery could have died. the m.e. thought the shots were fired from three to four shots away but he didn't know about the video. then the video was made public and he went back and looked at his findings and determined, no, these shots were probably made at a distance of contact or a couple of inches away from arbery's body. it was truly devastating blows. one of the things the state is
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pointing out is arbery was in no position to fight back as much as the defense is likely to point that out. richard dial is the lead investigateor for the gbi. this whole case changed when the gbi changed. when glynn county handled things it didn't go well. listen to his account. >> did the glynn county search mr. bryan's vehicle? >> they did not. >> they they pat mr. bryan down? >> no, ma'am they did not. >> and mr. bryan was allowed to go home before he ever went to glynn county p.d. to give a statement? >> that's correct, yes ma'am. >> took his truck home with him, yes, ma'am. >> getting back to that sensitive issue of black pastors in the courtroom, jesse jackson said he'll be here all week. kevin gough who made that
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complaint now put in a formal motion that is to the judge. he's asking that everybody who goes into the public area of the courtroom be monitored and be noted. the judge has said he does not favor that but he hasn't officially ruled on this motion. so we'll have to wait and see. meanwhile, 250 pastors are expected to show up here on thursday to support the family of ahmaud arbery. victor and alisyn. >> martin savidge, thank you. the reverend jesse jackson joins me now. thank you for your time. before we get to the arbery trial, this is our first conversation since you were hospitalized for covid. you suffered a fall. at howard university. how are you? >> i'm very well. you know, covid hit me and i was asymptomatic. i took my wife to the hospital and she ended up with covid because she had not had test of pre-existing condition. so, the doctor gave me a test
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and hit me i was positive. no symptoms. five days of negative, negative, they put me to the rehab, took me -- i couldn't walk in three weeks again. learned to walk all over again. couldn't talk in two weeks. rehab right now matter of fact. >> i'm glad you're back on your feet. let's talk now about the trial and this defense attorney kevin gough said he didn't want to see any more black pastors and then asked the court to keep you and others out. he's not saying this in front of the jury. so what do you believe the strategy is and why he doesn't want you, reverend sharpton, other black pastors in the courtroom? >> he has a weak case. everybody knows that. who did what when, that's all that's left. he's looking for -- he wants a mistrial. >> the judge called mr. gough's comments reprehensible and also
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said that there were people coming to the courtroom because of what he said about not wanting black pastors there. you had not been in that courtroom before you were mentioned by kevin gough. is that why you came in response to his effort to keep you and others out? >> no. i was coming -- i've been involved for some time. where another case where a young man was taken from campus, 60 miles away through illinois and killed. and that was a terrible case. and so, i planned to come here. he just extended the invitation i couldn't refuse. >> will you be in the courtroom everyday? >> well, i want to be there enough -- not as a distraction. urging the vice president, the president of the united states mr. biden, to get involved in
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this case. this is a tragedy upon tragedy. we cannot look -- be silenced from the department of justice. i tell you again in this county, there's not a single judge that will take the case. >> there needs to be response from across the country. there is this call for what's being described as a wall of prayer later this week. pastors from around the country invited to brunswick. what should we expect to see on thursday? >> reverend sharpton called that meeting and attorney crump wall of prayer and wall of activism because every citizen in the country population of blacks in jail disproportioned number to the population, across the south, small towns, like illinois, you got small town there case, small town here in georgia, small towns like it always was, we must -- that's
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our mission. fairness for all. i must say i'm delighted to see generation of whites in georgia who don't want to go backwards. i think we may get a fairer outcome from the jury than we expect. ten white jurors, we may win this case on the facts. people don't want this to be a sanctuary for killers. they want to build a reputation for themselves. >> reverend jesse jackson joining us from brunswick right outside the courtroom where those three men who killed ahmaud arbery are on trial. reverend jackson, thank you. >> thank you. now to this, those who play with fire get burned. that's a stark warning from chinese xi jinping to president biden. what that means next. was so bad i would be in a lot of pain. i was unable to eat. it was very hard. kimberly came to clearchoice with a bunch of missing teeth,
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well, during a virtual summit chinese xi jinping warned president biden against encouraging taiwan independence. according to the read out from their summit the chinese said that whoever plays with fire will get burned. that from the chinese government. >> china has been making moves to reunify taiwan with the mainland and the u.s. pledged to help taiwan if china makes advances. what's the reaction been there, will? >> reporter: well, here they're pretty angry because they feel like china misrepresented what president biden said on the issue of taiwan which is the most important issue certainly for this self governing island and the most important issue for the authoritarian mainland that wants to absorb this into the mainland. so, what happened is that president biden did acknowledge
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that the united states has not changed its one china policy. all the head lands in the mainland says president biden supports one china from the mainland view includes china controlling taiwan. communist party never controlled taiwan. this has its own democratically elected government but china doesn't acknowledge that and the u.s. doesn't diplomatically acknowledge taiwan. u.s. provides weapons to taiwan. u.s. soldiers and special military personnel are here training taiwanese troops to potentially defend themselves if china were to try to move in and invade this island and change the status quo that president biden said it is most important to him the status quo be maintained. all those details weren't reported in the mainland. they just said president biden supports one china. let me read you this fiery response from the ministry of foreign affairs sent to cnn here in taipei. it would not be the first time chinese state media mischaracterizes and misrepresents statements or
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positions by other countries. a breech of good faith internationally. it says we high le regret china's deliberate distortion of accounts. the messaging matters when they're outspent 15-1 to china and somehow a global perception that now all of a sudden the united states agrees with china that they have the right to reunify with this island by force if necessary, that is a big problem for taiwan. that's why in the coming hours their officials at the lower level will be meeting with the united states to get a run-down of what was said in these bilateral talks because it matters to them here and it matters that the united states continues to support taiwan's not formal independence but certainly ly sovereignty. >> thank you for explaining all of that, will ripley. let's bring in boston college political science professor robert ross. so professor, thanks for being here. how do you interpret president xi telling president biden that,
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quote, whoever plays with fire will get burned? >> well, beginning in the trump administration, continuing through the biden administration, the united states has challenged most of the norms established in u.s./taiwan relations since normalization relations with china in 1979. the chinese perspective that's tantamount telling the leadership on taiwan we have your back. and for the mainland, their concern is to the extent america supports that leadership it may be encouraging that leadership to declare independence. that has the mainland concerned. the closer we get a leadership they don't trust might cross the red line. so the mainland leadership has been increasing their military presence, their warnings, be careful. you go too far, we may have to react. we may have to warn you more forcefully that this is getting dangerous. >> professor, what about all of the issues? china seems to be acting with impunity on a host of troubling issues, as from taiwan to human
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rights, climate change, the origins of covid, they did that hypersonic missile test recently. so what leverage does the u.s. have to get china to behave differently? >> well, the real issue for the united states is simply the rise of china. the rise of their economy, their improved technology, their growing navy and all this has the effect of undermining american security, its influence around the world. so when china takes small steps or even larger steps, the united states is finding it troublesome for american presence and wants to push back and challenge china. of course this is all new for the united states. we often looked the other way when china challenged us. now with china so much stronger, we're pushing back. but now our leverage slesz. we're playing a weaker hand. if you want to push back, we'll wait you out but right now we feel the advantage is ours and things are going china's way. >> president biden says he does not want more conflict. what he said his goal was to
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establish some guardrails in the relationship between the u.s. and china. and establish some clear and honest communications. but is that what china wants? >> well, what president biden said is he plans to compete with china quite forcefully. but he doesn't want the relationship to cross the line into hostilities. he wants guardrails. the chinese on the other hand said we want a consensus, we want to cooperate. we want to find ways to mutually advantage ourselves and so it's a very different perspective. the united states wants to push back on the rise of china. and of course the chinese have benefitted from decades of stabilities, decades of cooperation and want to maintain that stability, that cooperation with the united states. and so, as long as the two sides are coming at each other so differently, it will be hard to go forward with a cooperative relationship. >> it seems like it. on a scale of 1 to 10 right now, 10 being the highest level of tension and conflict, where would you say u.s./china relations are? >> well, we're -- the relationship is the worst it's
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been since normalization relations in 1979. and the united states has shown no interest in trying to dial it back, as you say, it wants to simply prevent it from getting worse. now, i don't think we're close to hostilities. we're not close to war. but the problem for the united states is as we challenge china on taiwan in particular, we don't know where the chinese red line is. we don't know what too far means. and so we both sides run the risk of escalating the relationship and finding ourselves in a situation neither side wants. so, that requires caution on both sides to try to restrain ourselves lest we find ourselves in a more difficult situation. >> so what's the next move for president biden? >> well, what this summit did, this virtual summit was establish a new atmosphere. you recall the two foreign ministers met over the spring in alaska. that was not a good meeting. we basically lectured each other on human rights and foreign policy and political systems. and that environment the bureaucracies on both sides were not about to explore opportunities for cooperation.
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this is a small step in providing a better environment and that the bureaucrats, the diplomats can begin to reach out and seek areas of cooperation. that's a small step, but a very important and helpful step. >> all right, robert ross, thank you for your expertise. >> thank you. well, russia obliterates a satellite in orbit creating space debris that could threaten the international up next, how the u.s. is responding to that. most bladder leak pads were similar. until always discreet invented a pad that protects differently. with two rapiddry layers. for strong protection, that's always discreet. question your protection. try always discreet. your shipping manager left to “find themself.” leaving you lost. you need to hire. i need indeed.
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meadows defying their subpoena. those discussions are still a work in progress. thompson said formally, the committee is not ready to pursue criminal contempt charges against meadows. thompson also said that he expects the committee to release more subpoenas this week. meanwhile, the u.s. condemned russian anti-satellite missile test that created a massive debris field in outer space. the u.s. state department called monday's incident reckless and dangerous and said it poses a danger to astronauts inside the international space station. >> russia's test forced the seven iss crew members to scramble into their forecast for safety. the state department official said this behavior will not be tolerated. while russia called the u.s.' accusations hypocritical. nasa is on the verge of launching an historic new space mission. the new james webb space telescope will rock sboet space eventually traveling 1 million miles from earth.
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they answered questions about the creation of our universe and the possibility of life on other planets. >> the new cnn film "the hunt for planet b" will take us inside this ground-breaking mission. ♪ >> the webb telescope was 100 times more powerful than hubble. telescopes keep getting bigger, because the bigger, the better the resolution. we wouldn't have built a telescope this big unless we needed to. you need to if you want to look at the very dimmest, most earliest galaxies in the universe. >> the james webb telescope is not just a machine built by engineers and scientists to look after the universe. it's taking humanity on a journey. we're going to enter completely new part of observational space. what we've never tried before. and every time we've done this, we've discovered new things.
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>> it's mind blowing actually. bill oaks is the program manager for the james webb space telescope mission at nasa. thanks for being here. just tell us in layman's terms, what will this telescope be able to show us? >> well, you already mentioned the hunt for planet b and talking about looking at exo planets. we're looking at the atmosphere of these planets, and we're going to look and see if they have the basic elements for life as we know it. things like oxygen, hydrogen, nitrogen, carbon and so forth. but beyond that, we'll be looking at the formation of first galaxies. how a galaxy is assembled. we'll be looking at the gases around new stars that try to determine how planets are formed and how a solar system is formed. we'll also be looking at things like studying super massive black holes. looking at the structure that's in between the galaxies that are out there. so these are things i'm just
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mentioning that we're going to be doing within the first year of operations of the webb telescope. >> it's fascinating. and this -- i had a telescope as a kid. i feel like there should be a completely different name for what you guys are using versus what i had as a kid. explain some of the technology behind this telescope. how it's able to do all of this incredible stuff. >> so as mentioned in the clip you showed from the film, two of the things that allow us to do this. one is the size of the telescope. our primary mirror is about seven times the size of the hubble mirror. that allows us to collect a lot more fotons and do the type of science that we're doing. plus infrared telescope. we look at a different part of the spectrum. it allows us to look back farther in time, back to about 200 million years after the big bang. also allows us to look through some of the really pretty hubble pictures, we have all the gases, we can actually look through those with infrared because you're looking at heat coming
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from there and stella nurseries. part of that technology is in the mirrors. our mirror is seven times the size of hubble. it's a segmented mirror which has never been done before. each of those segments has gone through a fine polishing process. an example is if you took one of those segments which is typically the size of a coffee table, blew it up to the size of the continental u.s., the imperfections when you start off the polishing would be the size of the rocky mountains. when we got done with the polishing, the rocky mountains would be an inch or two high. that tells you the type of polishing and what we had to go through to produce the mirror that we have now. >> oh, my gosh. when will we start to get information from this telescope? >> so once we launch, we go through 180-day commissioning period. it's broken up into three basic phases. the first phase is where we check out the spacecraft, but we also do our deployments. about 40 deployments on jbst. those will occur during those first 30 days as we travel out
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to our orbit which is about a million miles from earth. the next period, which goes from launch plus 30 or 40 out to about launch plus 120, we will take and align those mirrors to produce that perfect image of a star which we've already proven on the ground we can do and the last couple of months is when we commission our four science instruments. and it's toward the end of that period we'll start releasing our images. it will be somewhere in the last month of the mission. >> bill, thank you for all the information. can't wait to hear more and tune in the all-new cnn film "the hunt for planet b" saturday only on cnn. "the lead" with jake tapper starts after a break.
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