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>> reporter: for his part, jacob chansley spoke for about 30 minutes to the judge just before his sentencing. chansley said he regretted entering the capitol january 6th and he would do everything differently if he could do it all over again, wolf. >> brian todd, thank you very much with the latest. and to our viewers, thanks for watching. "erin burnett outfront" starts right now. outfront next. the house voting to censure republican congressman paul gosar for posting a video depicting him killing congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez. but almost all of his republican colleagues don't think he crossed the line. their reasoning and his response, tonight. plus, still no verdict in the kyle rittenhouse trial. new question, though, from the jury providing clues about the ongoing deliberations. you will see exactly what they asked to see today. and vials of the contagious and deadly virus smallpox found in a lab just outside philadelphia. they were not supposed to be there.
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and now, the cdc is investigating. let's go outfront. and good evening, i'm erin burnett. out front tonight, censured. for the first time in more than ten years, the house leveling its most severe form of punishment, short of being expelled. republican congressman paul gosar censured for tweeting an animated video of him appearing to kill democratic congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez and attacking president biden. >> will representative gosar present himself in the well? by its adoption of house resolution 789, the house has resolved that representative paul gosar of arizona be censured. >> only two republicans -- adam kinzinger and liz scheney -- joined democrats to censure gosar and also to strip him of his committee assignments. again, as i said, the first time in more than ten years. doesn't just happen all the time. 207 republicans did not think
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gosar crossed the line when he posted a video threatening a colleague's life. a video that he refused to apologize for, and then a video he defended before the vote. >> there is no threat in the cartoon, other than the threat to the immigration poses to our country. and no threat was intended by my staff or me. >> now, just after gosar was censured, he retweeted the post, including the exact same video that he was censured for. the one of him killing alexandria ocasio-cortez who spoke out today about it. >> it's pretty cut and dry. do you find -- does anyone in this chamber find this behavior acceptable? >> you don't need to hear it from her. the target of the tweet because it isn't okay, in any scenario, and i would bet that most in that chamber would agree. probably, the vast majority. but they couldn't bring themselves to say that. so instead, some went out of
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their way to come up with ridiculous excuses for why gosar should not be censured for posting a video of him striking aoc in the neck with a sword. >> today, we're critiquing paul gosar's anime. next week, we might be indicting the wily coyote for an explosive ordinance against the roadrunner. for democrats, this vote isn't about a video. it's about control. >> i lived in japan for several years. i speak japanese. i read and write japanese. this is an anime. [ speaking foreign language ] h h hily highly popular, stylized. >> they don't like freedom. you can see it. they don't like it. this is wrong. >> the left has nothing else to do but troll the internet looking for ways to get offended. >> america's dissolving under
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our feet, and democrats are worried about cartoons. >> this should have been pretty easy forerepu republicans just stand up here, right, especially after january 6th to contend this but they looked the other way, as so many have done again and again when it comes to gosar, specifically. because gosar is a person with a long history of disturbing tweets and comments. after the white supremacist rally in charlottesville, virginia, he blamed the violence on a, quote, obama sympathizer. >> let's look at the person that actually started the rally. it's come to our attention that this is a person from occupy wall street that was an obama sympathizer. >> he's retweeted other baseless qanon conspiracy theories and pushed anistonishing number of lies about the 2020 election. in fact, he is said to have helped organize at least one stop on the stop the steal rally. this-past february, he appeared in an event with a holocaust denier and white supremacist, instead of voting for covid
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relief. and most recently, he defended the insurrectionists who stormed the capitol. >> these are not unruly or dangerous, violent criminals. these are political prisoners who are now being persecuted and bearing the pain of unjust suffering. >> well, his party came behind him. but this is breaking up gosar's own family. his own siblings have had enough. they have spoken out. they fear that he is only going to grow more unhinged. >> it definitely is getting worse because no one -- no one holds him accountable. not kevin mccarthy. not senate leader mitch mcconnell. not senate leader chuck schumer. not speaker nancy pelosi. not attorney general merrick garland. no one holds him accountable. and this is something that i have to openly wonder -- does he have to act on it, himself, before we believe that he is an absolute -- he's a sociopath? >> manu raju is outfront on capitol hill tonight. and, manu, i know you spoke to republicans after the vote. you know, what more are they
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telling you about and they voted the way they did knowing in plenty of cases, you know, had it been a closed vote, we might have different numbers on the board. >> none of them are saying the precedent it would sit would ultimately be something republicans would follow, should they take back the majority next year which is very likely that they will take the majority. and at that point, they are saying that they will go after democrats. they -- democrats may not do the exact same thing as paul gosar here. but even if they do things democrats do that upset republicans, that could be enough to strip them from the committee assignments. what the house did today was unprecedented. it is the first time that a member of congress has been, both, censured and removed by a majority party from his committee assignments in one fell swoop. earlier this year, marjorie taylor greene became the first to be targeted by a majority party because she got booted from her committee assignments. now, paul gosar. the same is happening with him. now, in talking to republican, including ones to voted to
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impeach donald trump, they are saying they did not want to follow that precedent. and some who have broken with donald trump in the past, like congressman don bacon, warned there could be retribution in republican majority. >> not going to whitewash what he did. it was wrong. again, i just think it's a mistake to take people off committees because this is a precedent the democrats are going to have to live by when they are the minority and i say that as someone who thinks it's bad for the institution. if retribution's not good, i think it is going to happen. >> it's ridiculous. it's childish. it's stupid. there is no doubt about that. but is it incitement of violence? absolutely not. >> yeah. and that last congressman was tom rice. he did -- one of the ten republicans who did vote to impeach donald trump for inciting the january-6th insurrection. and the only two republicans who did vote that way today, in favor of this effort to censure and punish paul gosar were liz cheney and adam kinzinger. of course, they have broken repeatedly with the president -- the former president here.
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but as you can see, erin, most the republicans, they lined up with the republican leadership and said they weren't going to go along with this effort, despite -- even if they were concerned with his tweet, they said he didn't deserve to be punished this way. erin. >> manu, thank you very much. so i want to go now to republican governor asa hutchinson of arkansas. he is currently attending the governor's annual meeting, which is as far away as they could possibly get from washington, d.c. and who could blame you for that. governor, i appreciate your time. so when you look at the situation, only two republicans voted to censure gosar for this tweet. of course, it was adam kinzinger and liz cheney. do you think more republicans should have joined them or not? >> well, first of all, i haven't seen the video. but there is no place in the public life for pretension of acts of violence or any depiction of that. that is the last thing that we need. i advocate for more civility, versus less civility. and so, i don't like it.
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at the same time, congress has to make these decisions and i have been on the ethics committee in congress. i've dealt with tough issues like this, and in anf anything' going to have an impact, there ought to be a better bipartisan foundation for disciplinary action. and the fact that you only got two republicans that supported that effort indicates that most the republicans just believe that this was overreach, too severe of a punishment, and not a good precedent for the house. >> right. >> that's -- congress has to deal with that and they dealt with it today. but i haven't seen the video, and that's all i can say on it. >> so let me ask you about the point that, you know, you heard repu congressman don bacon talking to manu raju, right? and he voted for impeachment so it's clear where he stands oven issues of right and wrong on things like january 6th. but his reason for not voting for this today was that he thinks democrats can expect retribution, if republicans take
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the house in 2022 and he wasn't saying he supported it. he just said if you are going to set this standard, they are goto turn around or his party's going to turn around and do that to democrats. you know, it's pretty sad that that's the state of affairs. >> well, it is. it just shows the division in washington. but it also -- when someone is willing to cast a vote for the impeachment of the president, he is clearly willing to take a stand and act in courage and he did not see that this was meritorious. i think one of the things that you have got to think about is that if you discipline a member of congress, that's punishing the people of that district, as well, who is deprived of someone serving on the committee, having the voice that they should have. and so, ultimately, whenever you see these kind of things, the people of the district, the people of the state should make a judgment and take that in consideration the next election. house should govern their decorum but i think they have to
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be hesitant about punishing a district and -- and really denying someone adequate representation. >> so, let me talk to you about something that it has been bipartisan. um, well, much more so than this, right, and that is the infrastructure bill, right? you got 19 senators who voted for that. you support it. you have been clear about that. president biden signed it on monday. and you support it. in part, because your state is going to benefit from it. you have been very clear about that. former-president donald trump is now going after any gop lawmaker who supported the law. said he is going to go against them. he is going to do anything he can to get them out. he endorsed a republican who voted against the bill in a primary matchup against a republican who voted for it, right? he is already doing that. are you okay with that? >> no, i am a n'm not okay with. that's what really reflects that you go after retribution, it's not helpful to the party. and obviously, i support the bipartisan infrastructure bill because not just that it's good for the states but it had something that we've needed
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for -- for a long time in our country. and i understand, many of the republicans that voted against it say, well, i'm worried about that giving momentum to the social infrastructure bill, which i am opposed to. but this is where the american people just expect you to vote on a bill, whether it's right or wrong, for our country. the next one, you work to defeat if it's bad. and so, i don't believe that's right at all to go after retribution or punishment of those that voted for their state or district or their conscience. we have got to be a bigger party than that. we have got to understand differences and not engage in that. it's taken us back. it's taken us the wrong direction. >> well, you make that point. there are others, i know, you know, governor chris christie -- someone you're close with. he is trying to move forward, too. although, of course, he has said things different from that in the past. but you were, of course, at the republican governor's association meeting. you are now and you were at a close-door event last night where the former-vice president mike pence spoke. obviously, he is also
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former-republican governor. president trump not only continues to show no remorse for the insurrection. he continually shows no concern and, in fact, a lot of anger still at mike pence who was there that day. for mike pence not overturning the election, which trump seems to believe he could have done. he couldn't have. i want to play a recently-released audio of what trump told abc reporter jonathan carl about pence. here it is. >> were you worried about him during that siege? were you worried about his safety? >> no, i thought he was well protected and i -- i had heard that he was in good shape. no because i had heard he was in very good shape. but -- but no -- >> you heard those chants. that was terrible. i mean, you know, the -- >> he could have -- well, the people were very angry. >> saying hang mike pence. >> because it's common sense, john. it's common sense that you're supposed to protect -- how can you -- if you know a vote is fraudulent, right, how can you pass on a fraudulent vote to congress? >> still, says it's fraudulent
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and, you know, the people were angry. so, that -- that -- i guess, it's okay that they were saying hang mike pence. and what -- what's your response to this, governor? >> well, first of all, vice president -- former-vice president pence spoke last night. he was very well received. we like former governors that have had such key roles in our country. obviously, he is a friend and anybody should be concerned about the fact that he was in jeopardy and at risk in that insurrection on the january 6th terrible day. what's important, though, is that we not dwell upon what president donald trump -- former president -- is saying about this. let's move on. we do need to hold people accountable. we need to understand what happened. it was a terrible day for our democracy. but we can't win dwelling upon that past. and i have distanced myself from it. i disagree with those comments.
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but it's got to be about the next election. it's got to be about bringing people together. and con -- continually dwelling on comments from the former president is just not helpful. >> all right. well, governor, i appreciate your time. thank you. >> thank you. great to be with you, erin. >> you, too, governor hutchinson. so i want to now go to gloria borger, our chief political analyst. so, gloria, there is a lot to talk about here, including a lot of what the governor just said. um, but let me just start with congressman gosar. so, the last time a member of congress was censured, you know, because it sound -- current political environment, lot of people probably think it happens all the time but it doesn't. it hasn't happened since 2010 and at that time, it was democratic congressman charlie wrangle of new york who was censured by his own party over various ethics violations. anyone who lives in new york remembers the new york post pictures and coverage of that. what we are seeing today is not common. >> no, it is not common. it's only happened a couple-dozen times in our nation's history and the reason it's not common is because
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it's -- it's important and it shows you what you need to do to get censured. it -- it just shows you how serious it is. that it's happened so few times. they don't do it all the time and what i think we are going to see -- and you have been talking about this in the show unfortunately -- and that the republicans, according to kevin mccarthy, if they win back the house, are going to adopt an eye-for-an-eye strategy. which would be -- after -- you know, after criticizing the democrats for doing this, he then turns around and says, well, we're going do it to you. we're going -- we are going to do it to you, too. so, you know, he is saying, you know, just -- just wait. just wait till we're in charge. and just wait till we get to strip your people from committees, et cetera, et cetera. it wasn't even an implied threat. it was a stated threat. and unfortunately, i think we're in for a rough time here because it's -- it's going to descend into this kind of rabbit hole.
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um, and if it could get any deeper, it will. >> i mean, so republican congresswoman liz cheney, right, only she and adam kinzinger voted in favor of the censure. she spoke to our melanie zanona today about trump and senator ted cruz. here's what she said. >> i think that trump -- ted cruz. ted used to say he was a constitutional conservative. but now, he is like so desperate for political approval, that he will even advocate/suggest succession. and i think that a real man would be defending his wife and his father in and the constitution. >> why don't you tell us what you really think? you know, yeah, i mean, look. he had gone on hannity and criticized her and said that she falls into the category of people who donald trump just broke, just shattered. so, she was throwing this back at him. but this is -- you know, this is the state of the republican party right now. i mean, ted cruz represents a
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much larger piece of the republican party than liz cheney does. i mean, she is fighting for her life. her political life in the -- in the state of wyoming right now because she voted for impeachment. she dared become a member of the january-6th committee. and cruz, who was an outright enemy of donald trump's, um, is now defending him at every turn. i'm presuming cruz wants to run for president. >> i have never understood how he could look past -- >> make that turn? >> -- those deep personal slights. thank you so much, gloria. appreciate it. next, the jury in the kyle rittenhouse trial asking to review a crucial piece of video in the case. why? we are going to go through it. what could it tell us about what they're focused on, what they're deliberating on? they are entering, now, a third day. and a tennis star accusing a chinese leader of sexual assault, of rape. and now, no one knows where she is. she's missing. the chinese government is trying to pretend it's okay.
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deliberations. but there were some key moments from today. the jury asking to re-watch a few very specific videos, which show the moments before rittenhouse shot three people, killing two of them. sara sidner is outfront live in kenosha tonight. and, sara, you were in the courthouse today. obviously, they came with these very specific requests for these specific videos. what do you know about what -- what clips they -- they -- they wanted? and -- and how this came about? >> reporter: they clearly wanted to watch video of the first killing. kyle rittenhouse's first killing, which was the killing of joseph rosenbaum. and they asked for a half-dozen-or-so videos. evidence that has already been present understand this trial and they have already seen but they wanted to go back over it and there was a huge argument over whether or not they should be able to continually, as many times as they want, go over this video. i want to show you the video that is a huge contention, though, in this case. because the defense says that they are going to use it to ask for a mistrial. there is drone video taken by a
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civilian that the prosecution says they did not get ahold of the high-resolution version of this -- the video you are seeing now -- until five days into the trial. meaning, the defense did not get their hands on it until after that. once the evidence was closed. and so, the jury did see this. the judge did allow it in. but you see kyle rittenhouse there. you see him being chased a bit, and then you see him turn and shoot joseph rosenbaum. it is extremely important video in this case and the jury wanted to see it. the defense, though, told the judge, look, we think we are going to use this to ask for a mistrial. here is their argument as to why. >> we would have done this case in a little bit different manner if that was the situation. we didn't have the quality of evidence that the state had until the case had been closed. i'm going to be asking the court for a mistrial. but their client lied about this
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on the stand is the state's position. there seems to be evidence to support the position that he lied on the stand about not -- about raising the gun. he was confronted with the exhibit. he denied it. the jury wants to see these exhibits. >> reporter: the prosecution being very clear saying, hey, the reason why you don't want the jury to be able to go over this is because it proves that your client, in their words, lied on the stand about pointing the gun towards him, and then having joseph rosenbaum chase him. in the end, though, this is going to be the second time that the defense asks for a mistrial. they asked for a mistrial, already, and filed that on monday for prosecutorial overreach. erin? >> thank you very much, sara. i want to go now to elie honig, former assistant u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york and stephanie rawlings-blake, former mayor of baltimore who have been with us throughout this trial. so a lot to go through today. elie, me start with the big picture. jury has deliberating for two-full days. they have been in there 16 hours
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total. we still don't have a verdict. what does that mean? >> yeah, erin, anytime a jury is out deliberating, minutes feel like hours. hours fe hours feel like days. days feel like eternities. we are on pins and needles. it is a stressful situation and we try to interpret clues we get. there is no science to this but let me put myself back at the prosecutor's table. i will tell you my view. i am looking at this case and thinking this is a complicated case. there is five counts here. there is two murders. there is an attempted murder. the only way, in my view, the jury comes back very quickly is if they go into that jury room, sort of look at each other and say, this is self-defense, right? we're going not guilty and we are going home. the fact that they have not come back quickly if i am the prosecutor, i take some comfort in that. that this does not mean they will convict but for a prosecutor, they have avoided the worst case very quick not-guilty verdict. >> all right. so now, i want to go through some details about today. mayor rawlings-blake, the jury requested to re-watch half-a-dozen separate videos.
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okay? and i want to go through these because it's important. i want to show one of them. warning to viewers, tit's disturbing. it shows the moments before kyle rittenhouse fires his gun at anthony huber who is the second man rittenhouse shot and killed. and -- and gaige grosskreutz who is the third man rittenhouse shot and wounded. so, the jurors then requested not just this video but a slowed-down version of this video. right? they wanted to watch every single moment and frame here, clearly. they wanted the slowed-down version. what do you make of that when you look at it, mayor? >> i agree with elie. um, i thought that i -- i was leaning toward the jury being done very quickly. but it's true. if -- if they are still deliberating, i think that they are going to deliberate on this point. trying to determine if they can parse out from these videos, um, whether there was a provocation or whether it was actual
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self-defense. and, you know, this jury has a really tough time. i give them a lot of credit for wanting to be very thorough with their -- with their deliberations. >> right. it's slowing it down. i mean, that is important, right? because you can't capture, in the chaos and melee, the darkness what really happened without doing that. i mean, elie, they also re-watched two drone videos. these troen drone videos show different angles of rittenhouse shooting joseph rosenbaum. the first shows rittenhouse and rosenbaum. they are represented by the two yellow squares you see on your screen. throughout the video, you see them chasing each other. all right? they are chasing each other around. rittenhouse shootis rosenbaum after that. now, the next video -- graphic -- it shows a much closer angle of the moments before rittenhouse shot and killed rosenbaum. and you can see how close they were standing to each other. ongoing? okay? this is this video that sarah was talking about. going to talk about that in a moment but we know the jury spent about 45 minutes viewing
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these videos. the judge said watch them and watch them as many times as you want. 45 minutes. you can see how short each of them are. what do you make of them focusing on these videos and spending this amount of time, elie? >> this tells me the jury is going about their job meticulously. that they are focusing on the most important evidence. these videos are the key to this case. i do think we can draw one potential conclusion from this, though. it seems to me the jury has not bought into the prosecution's provocation argument because if the jury believed kyle rittenhouse provoked these attacks, was responsible for getting others to attack him so he could wound them, then rittenhouse could not even raise self-defense. that would be it. game over. he would be guilty. so, the fact that they are going frame by frame here tells me that they have not accepted provocation and that they are going to, instead, do the frame-by-frame analysis of did he use reasonable force? or did he use more force than is necessary? >> so -- so, mayor, let me ask you about this because that last drone video clip is the -- that i referred to is now the one
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that is at the center of the difs defense's claim for a mistrial, right, that sara was talking about because the video had been out there, but not this high quality. right? not this hi-def quality that they are now seeing and that the jury is seeing. the defense is saying they never knew about this. they weren't told about it. the judge issued a warning when the defense said this today -- issued a warning to the prosecution. here he is. >> you're putting an awful lot of emphasis on this. and if it turns out that it's not technologically sound, this is -- i referred to it as -- the situation as a house of cards. this is just more weight on that. >> so, mayor, if -- if the defense's claim is true -- the prosecution purposefully withheld the high-quality version of this drone video from the defense. this video ends up being important to the jury. could this -- could that be grounds -- fair grounds for a
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mistrial? >> with this judge, i think it would be. i mean, in general, judges don't like prosecutors playing fast and loose with evidence and you can see that this prosecutor has already stretched the limits of this judge's patience. um, with the questioning that he was doing and the trying to introduce evidence that was already excluded from the trial. so, the judge is giving a very clear signal that if -- if he can determine that this was done purposefully, that -- that he will entertain a mistrial. but it seems, based on the -- the back-and-forth conversation that they had as much difficulty as many of us have on zoom calls and staying on mute for the whole time. it didn't seem like anyone that was passing this video back and forth had -- had the computer skills that they needed to really get that done. >> hmm, all right. well, thank you, both, very much. another day will begin tomorrow. understand the jury is looking tired. out front now, president biden expected to skip the winter olympics in beijing amid
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new tonight. president biden is not expected to attend the winter olympics in beijing and is son the vernal of not having any officials attend as a diplomatic boycott over human rights abuses. this is just two days after biden held a virtual summit for the -- with the chinese president xi that went about three hours. and this satellite images show china's military's built mock-ups of a u.s. navy aircraft and other warships and have been targeting them with missiles. outfront now, retired four star admiral william mccraven. he was ninth commander of the u.s. operations command and oversaw the bin laden raid. which comes, of course, after your best-selling adult book. i am so glad there is a chirldrn virgz of this now.
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but i want to start with this news out of china. we have these satellite images and of course you have seen them. vice chairman of the joint chiefs was talking about this. warning about that hypersonic missile the u.s. admits they weren't really aware china had these capabilities that showed they could launch a surprise nuclear strike against us and that was something we weren't aware of. does it look like to you when you put all this together that china is preparing for a possible war with the united states? this is something they are legitimately thinking of? >> well, i'm sure they are thinking through it because i think the united states and the pentagon -- we think through all possible scenarios. but i do not think at all that china is preparing for war with the united states. now, i saw the interview with the vice chairman of the joint chiefs and he expressed concern -- real concern. and i think the interviewer asked whether this was our sputnik moment. in other words, are we making up and smelling the coffee that the chinese are moving very quickly on hypersonic technology? >> yes. >> we are a few years behind on that so i do think we need to be
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concerned about their hypersonic technology. i am not concerned we are going oh go to war with china. >> let me ask you about the last hypersonics test for the united states failed. that's partly what you are referring to. that is a pretty stark thing. ours failed and theirs didn't for people to hear. how does china view that? >> well, i mean, china's made some great progress recently in a lot of technical areas. you look at their says program and i think the hypersonic missile systems are kind of banking off some of the work done on the space program. so obviously, we have got some work to do. and -- and i do hope that we start really putting a little bit of additional focus on hypersonic technology and other technologies that cannot only deal china but frankly other competitors. >> you have got the beijing olympic boycott. that is human rights related but of course it comes in the recent news here of the chinese tennis star peng shuai. so, two weeks ago, she accuses the former vice premiere of
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china of rape. and she -- she does that. she's not been seen in public, since. just, poof, gone. chinese state media now has released an e-mail they say came from her. we haven't seen her but apparently it comes from her they say where she reneges and says the allegations of sexual assault are not true. i am resting at home and everything is fine. head of the tennis association can't reach her. no one can find her. you know, what do you make of this? >> i don't think it should surprise anybody. i mean, it is a communist country and so their ability to kind of crack down on dissidence as we ever seen in hong kong and other places. again, this shouldn't surprise anybody. let's hope she is safe. and i know, you know, bringing the world attention to her situation is good because i think, sooner or later, china's going to have to come forward and show us kind of proof of life that she is doing all right. >> you also have russia building up its military and we are seeing what is happening with ukraine and the belarusian situation as well. secretary of state blinken today said it is reminiscent what they are doing in ukraine right now,
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what happened in crimea a few years ago. and here is the defense secretary austin speaking about it. >> we continue to see troubling behavior from russia. we are not sure exactly what mr. putin is up to. but these movements certainly have our attention. and, you know, i -- i would urge russia to be more transparent about what they're up to. >> so, do -- do you think russia and china -- i mean, do they see an opening with this new administration? what's happening here? >> well, i mean, i give biden administration credit. you know, when this first happened right after biden came in -- into -- into the presidency, russia did the same thing. there were about 50,000 troops on the ukrainian board on the eastern border and president biden came out very quickly and said, look, we are fully behind president zelensky and really it was a shot across the bow to putin to say don't even think about coming across the border. i thought that kind of tamped things down. and then, biden had this kind of off-site meeting after the g7
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with putin. and now, all the sudden, putin's coming back for a second time on the eastern border of ukraine. so i think joe austin -- or excuse me, secretary austin's concerns are well founded and i am hoping that, once again, we will stand behind ukraine, stand behind president zelensky and that president biden will be prepared to send whatever is necessary to help the ukrainians. i do believe it's a test. >> so i want to talk about your new book because, you know, you obviously had written the book for adults about your lessons. you have also spoken out about, you know, integrity and decency and -- and what you saw lacking in -- in former-president trump when it came to thcrucial thing. in the book, it's skipper the seal and you talk about being a teammate. and -- and you know, but the context i read it as a mother of three kids, you know, this country's so divided. it's so nasty. it's so hard to even talk to kids about, well, gosh, public service is a great thing to go
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into, right? because they -- because they see something that's very different from what we might say. um, are you worried about the values in this country? >> well, you know, first, the book isn't a political book. >> no, the book itself is not. it is a great book for kids. >> and it is a book about values just like the original book "make your bed" was and the values i learned going through s.e.a.l. training. to your point, it was about respect for all shapes and sizes. i talk about the munchkin crew in the book. so this book teaches kids about respect. it teaches them about how to deal with failure. it teaches them to smile when things don't go well. but i think those are values that parents have always tried to instill in their children. i did when i was a young parent with my three kids that are now all adults and i am hoping that -- that when people read this book, they will pull the values out of there that i think are universal across all ages and all generations. >> i like the line the shark
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new tonight, 41 months behind bars. that is how long jacob chansley -- the so-called qanon shaman -- was sentenced to in prison for storming the capitol on january 6th. 41 months is one of the harshest sentences yet for any capitol rioter. prosecutors look to make an example of chansley, arguing he was emblem the aic of the vicious crowd. the judge agreed saying of chansley, quote, he made himself the image of the riot. end quote. jes jessica schneider is outfront. and, jessica, you know, when you think about what's been happening here, 41 months -- that is a significant sentence
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for someone who, you know, certainly was, you know, visually to many americans in many ways, kind of the face of that insurrection day. >> yeah. and erin, because of that, this could really be a benchmark here and what's particularly notable about this case is that chansley received this long sentence -- about three and a half years in prison -- despite the fact that he wasn't actually charged with any violence. to make a comparison here, the other capitol rioter that was recently sentenced to about the same amount of time was charged with assaulting a police officer. but why the judge came down so hard here is because of the fact that chansley really, like you said, has become emblematic and a focal point of this riot with his face paint, his headdress. the way he marched around the senate floor, leaving that note that then-vice president mike pence had vacated just moments before. it was a note that read it's only a matter of time. justice is coming. so, erin, all of those factors led to the judge issuing this rather lengthy sentence and it could be a benchmark for future
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defendants. >> especially, as you point out. right? the emphasis here is didn't actually -- was not charged with any violence, right? that wasn't actually even on the table. now, one of the defenses that -- that chansley tried to use was that this is donald trump's fault, right? and we all remember chansley's lawyer making this case. here he is just a week after the riot making the case here on cnn. >> trump. every word. he listened to him. he felt like he was answering the call of our president. he was there at the invitation of our president. >> so, that may be true, right? but the judge didn't seem to buy that. certainly, not as an excuse, right? 41 months. three and a half years. is that a sign judges will not have any sympathy for that argument? which a lot of other insurrectionists have made. >> yeah, i think so. it's a common refrain of these defense attorneys but really, erin, what we have seen not necessarily in sentencing but in other hearings, judges have been
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very dismissive of that defense when other rioters have brought it up in other cases. they brought it out -- out the hearings process and many defendants -- they have since made clear in court they regret what they did. they don't, in fact, believe the election was stolen, after all. and, you know, jacob chansley gave a very similar speech about 30 minutes repenting for his actions but in the end, erin, it really didn't make a difference. 41 months is his sentence. >> even with that, even with a 30-minute mea clpa. wow. >> next, a group of moms pushing to get their kids back in school and pulling off some surprisingp sets. and dangerous discovery in pennsylvania. a lab worker uncovering a number of vials labeled smallpox. no reason for them to be there, the cdc investigating tonight. with freestyle libre 2, now he knows how food affects his glucose. and he knows when to make different choices.
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american politics. gabe cohen is outfront. >> watching from her pennsylvania home, clarice wasn't surprised when glenn youngkin, riding parents' fears and frustration with schools, one the vinchrginia governor's race. >> i hope the race in virginia really woke people up and said, okay there is a groundswell of parents. >> reporter: the political divides playing out in public schools right now from critical-race theory to mask and vaccine mandates but beyond the weekly fireworks and beyond virginia, there is a common thread tying many parents together. the feeling they have been ignored. a "usa today" poll said 50% of parents blame the -- tens of thousands in facebook groups focussed on keeping schools open. in pennsylvania, shillen jer harnessed those frustrations.
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the suburban mom helped run a political action committee that pumped close to $700,000, mostly from a republican venture capitalist, into statewide school-board elections. all, on one issue -- keeping schools open. >> we gave the parents a voice to run and try to win. >> reporter: they supported more than 200 candidates across pennsylvania. nearly two-thirds, republican. and they say many won. >> how many parents have you heard from on this? >> tens of thousands across the state. >> reporter: kari korgen is one of them. she is on the verge of removing her sons from a public school in the philadelphia suburbs. she is opposed to school mask and vaccine mandates but she says her main focus keeping classrooms open. >> the children are still trying to make up for last year. >> we also met suarez. >> i felt like my voice didn't matter. >> this formerly homeless mother of six in harrisburg said she
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can't afford to work outside her home. >> i need to be here with my children. >> reporter: she supported virtual learning but quickly faced problems getting her kids online and getting the help they needed. now, one daughter can't keep up in class and another doesn't feel challenged, so suarez moved her from public school to an online program. >> they dropped the ball in not being able to provide them with what they needed to brighten their future, to secure their future. >> reporter: this past election, suarez supported democratic school board candidates that vowed to keep classrooms open, as did a local pac run by pass pastor earl harris. >> it's -- it's -- it's a human issue. >> reporter: harrisburg is predominantly african-american and even before covid, 26% of families lived below the poverty line. >> so they make the choice to keep their children safe and they stay home. they lose their jobs. it was sense ever abandonment. >> reporter: it's not clear the role education will play in the midterm elections in a state like pennsylvania. a poll from "axios" shows
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three-quarters of american parents believe local schools have done a good job balancing health and safety with other priorities. but organizers from virginia to pennsylvania and beyond are already trying to weave this common thread into a political pattern. >> biggest frustration is being invisible. >> reporter: i also spoke with the head of the national parents union. a longtime-democratic organizer and she says they, right now, are hearing from thousands of angry parents from all backgrounds. not about critical-race theory but about crises that their kids are dealing with. she thinks special interests have been prioritized over parents and that candidates will benefit from hearing out these moms and dads. erin? >> gabe, thank you very much for that report. and next, vials of the deadly virus smallpox were just found in a pennsylvania lab. that is not one of the two places on this planet that is supposed to have smallpox. and now, an investigation is underway.
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smallpox is so dangerous that only two facilities in the world are actually permitted to keep samples of it. that is the cdc headquarters in atlanta and a lab in russia. now, we are finding out that even in the united states, smallpox may be in more locations. one of the riskiest possible buy y bio terror weapons. vaccination stopped in 1970 when the disease was considered eradicated due to vaccinations. the cdc is investigating. thanks for joining us. it's time for anderson. good evening. quite a day. just two republican house members, today, stood up against the idea that you can threaten the life of a colleague, and not face any consequences for it. only two voted to censure arizona republican congressman paul gosar and strip him of his committee assignment for posting a photo shopped video depicting him murdering alexandria ocasio-cortez, and menacing president biden with swords. he neither apologized to the co-en