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she recovers. what a story that is. well, i'm pamela brown. i will see you again tomorrow night starting at 6:00 eastern. outspoken nba star enes kanter will join me. a special prime time with bill maher starts now. hey, everybody, i'm chris cuomo. welcome to a special edition of "prime time." bill maher is our guest for the full hour. the world's different, right, since we last got together in 2019. maher is a voice that does what we need. he challenges conventional wisdom, regardless of who is in power. it's about 40 years since he began performing at comedy clubs, quickly becoming a late night tv fixture through the
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decades. anyone who has watched him knows it's usually about more than laughs, okay? he is perhaps best known for "realtime with bill maher," 19th season on hbo, which like cnn, as you know is owned by warner media. he continues with comedy shows across the country, with good reason. in the days after the 9/11 attacks, he asked, "can we change." i think that question is hovering over our nation more than ever. it's a pleasure to welcome you back to "prime time." >> great intro. >> thank you very much. i didn't write it but i read it like a champ. >> you did. you didn't say what they usually say about what i said about 9/11, saying that i got canceled. >> that was precanceled. >> right. that was a much more interesting question you cited, can we change? >> that's what you were getting at. i believe giving people the benefit of context. and i lived through what happened with what you talked about after 9/11.
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and of course, someone who echoed and greatly upped the ante of what you were saying about the united states military was donald trump. and it worked out just fine for him. remember him with bill o'reilly, when o'reilly was talking to him about putin and said, this guy's a murderer. he goes, what about us, we're so good? now, that was an order of magnitude different than what you had said. the question about can we change, i remember it as an appeal of you saying, we've done things in a way that has provoked animus, can we do better. we're now doing things in a way that provoked animus. do you think we can change? >> the evidence is not really good for that. i don't think we're on a great trajectory. i keep trying to preach on my show that the thing we have to do long-range is stop the hate that goes on in this country. the two sides hate each other to such a degree i don't think anybody's hearing each other. when people hate each other it doesn't matter what the policies are. you know, democrats i think keep thinking they can somehow break through to the people who hate
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them and don't vote for them, would not vote for a democrat. anyone with a "d" next to their name is just completely toxic. if they just tinker with the policies, we'll give you health care, some things that absolutely seem to benefit the people they're talking to. they constantly ask that question. why do republicans vote against their economic interests? because they hate you. because they really hate you. look at the election we just had in virginia. i mean, the democrats lost some of those rural counties by 80%. we don't do 80%, or we never used to in america. you know, a landslide was a guy got 58% of the vote. that's what made us great. and you saw in other countries, oh, castro got 99% of the vote we would laugh. i don't doubt republicans were getting 80% of the vote in some of those counties. i think in 45 of them they got over 70% of the vote.
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that is beyond policy. and until we figure that out -- until you figure out why they hate us so much, and obviously it comes back the other way. when people hate you, you tend to hate them. we're never going to fix any of the problems in this country. >> let's question the premise for a second and then continue the discussion. has it always been this way? they win exerbs, which we now call rural, the democrats win urban, and the fight comes over the suburbs. is it really any different than the typical notion of a third are for you, a third are against you and you fight for that other third? have things changed? >> yes, i do. things have changed. first of all you look at the electoral map over the decade, some states have flipped back and forth and more states were in play. now the whole election is run in about 12 different states. that's about the maximum. those are the battleground states. >> probably 30 counties across
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the country decide a presidential election. >> right. we never see anybody running for high office in california because we're in the bag already probably here in new york, too. it's not -- you only see people come out to wisconsin and wherever the north carolina, wherever arizona now. i mean, these are -- georgia is in play now. the upper midwest is usually where it's decided. but as far as is it as bad as it ever was? i think it was worse. i don't know, i wasn't around at the beginning of the republic. i know there was a lot of vitriol between the people who founded the fathers. i don't think people had this idea in so much of the country that, you know, the democrats write off right away that these people would never vote for you, we would never vote for a democrat. i once cited this on my show. i talked to a guy in the midwest once, could have been anywhere.
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and he was telling me about how he's coming out of the store and trying to get his car out of the lot, and the car next to him had a hillary bumper sticker on it. and the child, a little 4 or 5-year-old child who was screaming at the mother, screaming. and the mother was apologizing to the child. and this is the car with the hillary bumper sticker. and he said to me, i just can't let people like that take over this country. you see, it wasn't about policy. it was about that. he sees people who have no common sense, who are letting a different -- each side sees the other side as an existential threat. now, i think the republicans are doing is an existential threat. i mean, they are playing with the kind of fire we have never seen anyone play before in this country, talking about elections that don't matter, votes that don't count. whatever happens we're just going to say we won. that is the greater threat. >> slow moving coup, you called it. >> yes. >> what is it a slow moving coup
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for you? >> that was a phrase i was using before trump was even elected. >> so it's really slow. >> it is slow. last time i said he's never going to concede the election. i was interviewing many democrats, the ones you talked to on this show as well. and they would laugh at me, you smoke too much pot. i would say no, i smoke just the right amount of pot and we'll see who right. and it turned out he still hasn't conceded the election. so it took a little longer. what he hoped is that republicans would be on his side. he was hoping that people like that guy in georgia, brad raffensperger, who he called up and said i hope you can find me some more votes. can you imagine that? i mean that alone, how is that not a crime? and mr. raffensperger and some other republicans with integrity around the country who work on elections said, no, we can't do that. this is america.
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we can't find votes. but what he's doing now is behind the scenes he's spent all his time since he's lost putting people in place who will find the votes. that's what's so disturbing because next time that happens i think they are going to find the votes. he is purging the republican party of people like that, people who -- i think only ten republicans voted for his impeachment. two of them are already gone because they see that they cannot win an election. he will primary them. he will destroy their reputations. and by the time we have the next election i bet you none of them are running. liz cheney certainly is not going to win that election in wyoming. and so the republican party as much as i keep hearing about, oh, trump he's not as relevant anymore, trust me he's going to run. absolutely. he's going to get the nomination. and i certainly wouldn't be surprised if he just won the election. but even if he doesn't win the election, he will say he won the election.
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there is no doubt that he will say he won no matter what the numbers. it doesn't matter how much you run up the score. that's what democrats would always tell me. we've got to win big. it doesn't matter. if they don't believe in the election and the integrity, what does it matter what the number is. they're just going to say it was rigged. they think the last one was rigged. two thirds to three quarters of republicans think he won the last election. that is different from other times in our history. >> so the question now becomes why it's different, why trump, comma, still, question mark? right, because he was supposed to fade. let's take a break, come back. why you don't buy it, why it's still him and what that means. bill maher. there's more. h is a lot. so take care of that heart with lipton. because sippin' on unsweetened lipton can help support a healthy heart. lipton. stop chuggin'. start sippin'. [microwave beeps]
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bill maher is back. we discussed all through the commercial and i'll let you in on what we were talking about. it's a rare opportunity.
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not to flatter. you know me better than that. but you have a gift for thinking through things in a way that the group is missing. and more than anything else i would have done this off tv just for the benefit of analysis. trump, things are different. the animus is harnessed in a way that you haven't seen before. trump you believe is a clear and present threat to the democracy. he will run again. he will be the nominee, and you believe he will give the democrats all they can handle. why trump, still? >> well, he talks to people in a way that doesn't sound like a politician. people were choking on and still are on political correctness. i did a whole show about it some years ago. >> i was on it. >> right. that's right. and it's only gotten worse. when you think about the kind of people who vote for him, they could not be less like him. you know, here's this new yorker with the accent, billionaire,
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you know, five kids by three different wives. everything that the republican party used to stand against. but he doesn't talk like a politician. you know, we make fun of him because of his limited vocabulary. to a lot of people that's how people talk. and he never backs down even when he's completely wrong and done something horrible. but in a world where everyone is always apologizing for everything, that comes off as refreshing. >> they also don't believe he's really guilty of anything, that they don't think about the rest of the political class anyway. >> maybe. i think -- oh, please -- i think they're not united to the idea he has done things nobody ever has done. i mean porn stars -- messing with porn stars when your wife is pregnant. no, i don't think bob dole did that. and i don't think they think anyone else did that either. i don't think they think anyone else made fun of handicapped
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people or cheated students at his fake university or robbed charities. i mean, he is everything wrong that you could stuff inside of one man. >> but they believe that political insiders and the media made that stuff up. and they don't watch us or read us, so they don't know what the proof is behind it. and his people or his outlets either don't talk about it or say that stuff is true about biden or clinton or harris or fill in the blank. >> some of it, yes. someone like hunter biden -- i mean, if don, jr. had done what hunter biden had done, it would be every night all night on msnbc. but the fact that it's hunter biden and joe is on the blue team, see that's the problem in america. everything is so binary. everything that the red team doesn't like goes in the blue bin and vice versa. so, you know, every democratic politician has to wear on his sleeve every silly, stupid woke
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thing that the fringe left does. and the red team has to wear kids in cages and, you know, "lock her up" and all that kind of stuff but -- >> a quick question. woke. the response from the people that you put it on will say, no. woke is aware and inclusive, and there is no cancel culture. it's just accountability. these are not bad things. they are good things. disagree? >> well, woke, yes. i don't remember the day the term was born. although, i hear aoc says only old people use it now. well, you gave it to us five years ago so sorry we didn't get the memo. right away it's such a high school thing, we're not using that anymore. we all wear pink on wednesdays. okay, whatever term you want. i don't care. again, i just got used to this
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one. again, in its best sense we're talking about being aware of things we should have been aware of more, reckonings we've had with sexual malfeasance. there's a reason why term woke has come to signify going too far and doing things that don't make sense. i keep saying this to the democratic party. the reason why you're so toxic is because you have become the party of no common sense. and people see this on their news feeds. i mean, you were saying to me in the break people mostly go on with their lives. they do, but they see things on their phone or their facebook page. people pass things around, and it's a constant drip, drip, drip of, oh, these people are nuts. in a way, yes, they're not oblivious to the fact trump is nuts. when he ran one of his big selling points was you got no choice. he was saying, yes, i know i'm
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nuts, you know i'm nuts, but they're nuts in a very different way that's closer to home to you. it's that guy in the parking lot. i can't let people like that take over the country, people who regard children as just shorter adults, who should have an equal say. >> i get it. but why would anybody embrace if they want normal a group of people slash party who want to destroy all of the institutions that secure our normalcy? >> they don't care about institutions. they don't even know about institutions a lot of people. >> so they don't care about the election is rigged, let's lie about all these different ways and make it -- >> no. some people do. i've seen surveys. ask how many people in this country eknow that there are three forms of government. how can you defend the government and the institutions that people doechbn't know what government is made up of? why is it important -- they might ask -- that we have checks
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and balances? what are those three branches of government? that's the essence of what made this country great is that the founding fathers, who have been canceled by a lot of people, which, again strikes a lot of people as crazy -- that was their genius is that we check each other. and so, you know, that kind of person is not going to care as much about that as something that is much closer to what happens in my home. if my kid comes home from school and tells me they're telling me i'm a racist, what does that word mean, mommy? as a kid, is a young kid old enough to process that or, you know, comes home and says i think i'm a girl now, and the school says that i think in california you have to go by that. if the child wants to change his name to a girl's name. that stuff st. right in your
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home. that's at your kitchen table. that is the kind of stuff that is going to get people who go, oh, you know, what he was doing, trump, in ukraine it was wrong as much as i read about it. but ukraine is a long way away and this is my house and these are my children. >> now, the proof of that was the race in virginia. and i want to talk to you about it because youngkin went heavy on the school issue. and it was platered for him because terry mccallf who was obviously running against him said let them teach, you shouldn't have a say in what they do. and that resonated as deplorable. let's come back and talk about the new state of play with bill maher. who knows better? certainly not me. right after this.
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three words is the perfect sell. more bill maher. it's good to have you, it's good for people to hear this. it's kind of a resetting of the palate, there's a fancy word for that in restaurants. that's what you are. we were talking about schools, and boy, did that resonate as an issue in virginia. the democrats didn't see it coming. you can explain it away as ignorance of what crt is. here's my problem with it, and i want to get your take. crt means nothing to anybody. they don't know what the acronym stands for. it's really not taught anymore. >> you're not even saying what the stands for and people are already going -- >> i don't like it. critical race theory. and the people on the left will mock the ignorance. they're too stupid to know. here's the problem. they still get to vote, and feel overwhelms facts all the time in elections. that's nothing new. people vote on feel. >> and it's not a phantom either
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to see something going on in the schools that never went on before. now, i'm not in schools, no interaction with children whatsoever. but i do understand this issue because i read accounts from parents, from educators, from -- and this is all over the country. if, when you say critical race theory, again, this is the binary situation we always find ourselves in this country. if you say that on msnbc, people think that's a great thing because they're finally teaching on honest history of racism in this country, which i know no one who is against that. i'm certainly not against that. i remember what my education was with american history. we learned about the civil war. i mean they mentioned racism. we understood slavery and lincoln and blah, blah, blah, but they didn't really go into it anymore than "gone with the wind" goes into it. it was there, but you didn't feel it viscerally. and now we're doing that, and i
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think that's a good thing. people should understand that. that's different than teaching that racism is the essence of america. that's what people got upset about or involving children who are probably not old enough or sophisticated enough to understand this very complicated issue with a very complicated history. >> so it's that you have families and we saw this resonate in virginia. and i have people on all the time that reject this premise. but it just played out, so it must be real to a lot of people. which is you want to make white kids feel badly for what happened before them and that their lives should be a function of making up for it. and i don't want that put on my kid. >> yes. kids are taught and sometimes separated into groups, oppressor and oppressed. again, does a kid even know what those words mean? would they gravitate toward that if you hadn't told them? i mean you're taking something that was getting better, race relations in america, and we --
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i think, everyone recognizes that still a lot of work needs to be done. remedial efforts need to be taken still. racism is part of america. but i did a thing one night about propreggive phobia which is a term steven pinker coined, which is somehow liberals got afraid to acknowledge progress. it's two thoughts in your head at the same time. you can acknowledge we have made great progress on all the social issues, and yet there is still more work to be done. we're not saying mission accomplished. we're just saying let's live in the year we're living in. you can't come up with good solutions unless you're realistic about what the problem is. i mean, it was only like 10 or 20 years ago that no state in america would vote for gay marriage. i mean, it was on the ballot like 35 times. now it's the law of the land, and no one is against it. i mean, when i was a kid i grew up in new jersey, which is not a southern state. and it was a completely white
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town. now a vast majority of americans want to live in a racially diverse neighborhood. that is a seat change just in my lifetime. again, not mission accomplished, but can we just acknowledge how far we've come and where we are right now? >> and the push back becomes, well, it's just the truth. we're just telling the truth is that racism continues, it's systemtic, it's in everything around us. but you have to be taught where it is everywhere because that's how we remedy and otherwise we're just hiding from the truth. >> that's nuts. it's just silly. it's just virtue signaling. i mean, here's the problem. >> you say that all the time. why aren't you concerned whether it's hbo or whoever owns them in that minute or your audience or some group comes and says maher said too much, he's got to go.
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>> i do it every week. i take the show friday -- >> that's called tuesday. >> exactly. a friday night and on saturday some people who haven't seen the show yet say to me how had the show go? i always say if i haven't been canceled today it was fantastic. >> you don't change. >> no. they come after me every week for something, both sides. >> maybe that's what saves you, you have both sides coming after you. >> and that's fairly new not because i've changed. my politics have not changed. i'm an old school liberal. we're talking about the race issue. they've changed, not me. i was the old we are should be moving toward a color-blind society where we don't see race. that's the old way to look at. i think that's still a good way to look at. that's how we win, when it doesn't matter what your race is. it's the quality of your character not the color of your skin. that's not wokism. wokism we have to see everywhere all the time.
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i am for the first time when i'm on the road now playing to very often a politically mixed audience. that never happened, ever. and i don't think it happens really hardly anywhere else in america. >> why? do you think there's an increasing separation between real people and the people who are in power over them? >> i think there's a lot of old school liberals like me who don't like what's going on the far left. i keep saying when you're doing something that sounds like a headline in the onion, that's when you've gone too far. you know? land of lincoln cancels lincoln. that really happened. they tore down lincoln isn't good enough for them. seattle, the city council voted to decriminalize crime. this is an onion headline. i saw one very recently. maybe babies should vote. what i mean about the party of no common sense. >> new york city, they took down thomas jefferson from in front of city hall.
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>> yeah. you know, aclu official advocates banning a book. these are onion headlines, and yet this is where this party is. or i don't think that's where the party is. it's where the faction that gets all the headlines, and again, it goes in the blue bin. and the afblverage voter sees t and attaches it. i think it was tommy tupperville, the republican senator from alabama wanted to catch the democrats and he put defunding police up for a vote. it lost in the senate 99-0. no democrat voted for, but if you ask the average person are the democrats for defunding the police? oh, yeah. that's the disconnect the democrats really better address. >> dave chappell and senator josh hawley, are two very different men in the mix of what
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i think is a defining concern culturally about how we handle what we don't like. let's take a break. and i want to go through both of them with you on what you see is the same, different, and god helps us if there's a solution. bill maher, right after this. ♪ you pour your heart into everything you do, which is a lot. so take care of that heart with lipton. because sippin' on unsweetened lipton can help support a healthy heart. lipton. stop chuggin'. start sippin'. with clean, fresh ingredients, panera's new chicken sausage and pepperoni flatbread is a mouthwatering explosion of yes. craft? yes! heartiness? yes! living life to the flavor-fullest? heck yes. panera. live your yes. now $1 delivery.
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where we are is a function of where we will or will not be very soon, maybe not even a full election cycle awa. let's discuss it with bill maher. dave chappell and josh hawly, two guys in the cross hairs of helping culture reconcile what is and is not acceptable. chappell has a long history of going after trans people, not
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really lgbtq, little bit, little bit. but the homepophobia is not as much of a push against. he does a special and he dez says this is going to be the last one for a while. and he says he's being canceled because he's made jokes about that group. what's your take on that? >> well, i defended him. >> i know. >> i'm team dave and free speech. >> why? >> well, first of all, you say going after and use terms like homophobia. i was speaking recently about phobia. that's a word that's traveled quite a bit from its original meaning. we're on a mission creep on that word, phobia, it's become a word to say i don't like something. phobia means an irrational fear, spiders, arachnophobia, hand sanitizer. i see a lot of hand sanitizer.
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>> those are for shaking hands with me. >> i see. it's not transphobic. this trans stuff is very new. i don't think he or myself or any other right thinking person thinks there are such things in the world of people who are transwho are born in a body that doesn't align with what their brains are telling them. that's okay. but now we're talking about children. it's interesting, someone i know, a woman in her 40s said to me somewhat recently at a dinner party that when she was a kid she was what they used to call a tomboy. she said i never was interested in wearing a dress. i only wear pants until i was like 14 or 15. she said if i was around today they would have made me into a boy here in california. that's what we're talking about. this is new, so don't put it into this category of this is settled science.
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anything that deviates from the one true opinion on this means you're some horrible bigot and transphobic. that's what's what's going on here and i don't think dave chappell is transphobic. a lot of that special is talking about the opening act. who's trans? it's just like can we take a breath? maybe we are going too far with the children part of this. kids should not be really making decisions about their gender. mario lopez was almost canceled for suggesting maybe 3-year-olds shouldn't decide their gender. this is that crazy stuff that makes you a bigot. >> but having an opinion obviously has to be protected. his choice to make jokes about them, now this is the argument. the luxury for me is i just have to present the argument out there. it doesn't matter if i adescribe to it or not. the argument that was made that i don't think he handled well, we'll say that. you're perching down at this group. this is discreet minority. they've got a lot of problem of
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being targeted and hurt. you are a powerful voice, and you making fun of them empowers the people who want to hurt them whether you know that or not. now that we've told you that, stop doing it. is that a bad suggestion? >> i don't know. i don't know what's in dave's head. i mean, i'll admit -- >> if it were you. >> he's a little obsessed with this one issue. >> made a lot of money. >> well, i don't think he's doing it for the money. >> but it made him a lot of money. >> he certainly has lost some things. that movie he's now taking around door-to-door should have been available in different forms, but we see that happen to a lot of people. i haven't talked to dave in a long time. i'm just surmising. i think as a black man in america he sees there are other groups that you're right trans people have been targeted. nothing -- nobody in america except the indians have had it anywhere near like the plaque
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folks have had it in america, so i can see why that would get under the skin. >> and he did that very eloquently and i think opened a lot of eyes he put it in the context of a jealousy. look how far you guy have come so quickly, and we're still struggling. and if you made these kinds of jokes about us the situation is nothing like if you go after the trans community or the gay community. i get it. i just wonder if his fix for it made things better, or is that the point of comedy? >> before we get to that, what does this have to do with josh hawly? i've been wondering that for about 15 minutes. >> josh hawley is on the other end of the spectrum of weaponizing what is okay and not okay. dave is doing it as a way of let's approach or freedom and talk about what we can talk about here. he's doing the same thing,
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hawley, on like the opposite spectrum. here's the piece of sound i'm talking about i think spells it out. >> the left wing attack on manhood says to men you're part of the problem. it says your masculinity is inherently a problem as conservatives. we've got to call it back to responsibility. we've got to say spending your time not working -- and we have more and more men not work. spending your time playing video games, spending your time online watching porn is not good for you or your family. >> interestingly that's old school republicanism. that's fine. put it to the side. the first part, i'm coming after you because you're white. white's no good anymore. they're blaming you for everything. >> toxic. >> toxic. and it's not just the men, it's really the white men. look at the commercials. you don't even see any guys like you that often. and that is a very dangerous thing. same category. what can we talk about?
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what's okay, and what isn't? hawley is doing that also, but he's creating a weapon that i think the left and right don't see coming. >> and there is a sense just being male is toxic and just being white is toxic. your whiteness, and it's like what are you talking about? i've always tried to be an ally. that's what a lot of people are saying, and now you're coming after me? this whole idea of you have two choices, you're either a racist or you're a racist and you don't know it. people who have lived a right thinking life their whole life, that's not -- why are you coming after me? have i turned my life over to this issue? no, but i can't. i have a job and kids and a wife and stuff to do. you know, i can't do that. now, josh hawley is a dangerous guy. let's get to the essence of josh
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h h hawley. a much bigger question is what do you do when there are people in our government who don't believe in our form of government? and he is one of them. >> he'll say, no, no, no i believe january 6th is bad and wrong, said and settled. you guys are only upset about it because you get to use it as a cudgel but you didn't care about the black people and their allies running around burning down cities the summer before. >> it's a false comparison, and it wasn't the capitol. and they weren't trying to stop a duly elected officer at the highest level of government from taking office. i mean, it's a pretty sobering thought that the republican with the most backbone was mike pence. >> but for pence it could have been a very different scenario by the way. >> yes. when i mention liz cheney now, and the audience claps, like oh, we love her now. isn't that interesting? >> let's see if she goes after biden a couple more times. but who knows if she's around
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for -- >> that's okay. we did that forever. republicans and democrats were cats and dogs and they fought. but also tip o'neil and reagan could have a drink after work. they could work together. i don't know how we're ever going to work together. how many qanon members of congress now? qanon? how do you negotiate with people who think the democrats eat babies? >> that's right. that's an obvious problem. i think the bigger problem -- and i'll take a break and then we'll discuss about this -- is what goes unsaid, that people won't stand up. i believe the pandemic for us was a low point on a lot of different level. we made ourselves sick on purpose, and then we kept ourselves there. i want to talk to you because you have a very interesting take on the whole situation. one more break and when we come back, bill maher on where we are.
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last topic, we made ourselves sick, that's what the pandemic is about. what does bill think about it? we made ourselves sick literally and figuratively. pandemic mcomes, let's prepare. top echelon of government, our president says, nah, it's not going to be that bad. we'll be fine. it will disappear in a few cases. to of course it doesn't, but it created a line where we see it almost exclusively on the basis of politics, who buys into covid and the treatment and the facts, who doesn't. how do you see it? >> you said we made ourselves sick, the bigger issue that is never discuss sudden that we were sick. before you get sick, you are sick. this is a very sick country, still is. i don't mean mentally, although that, too. but physically. and why don't you talk about that? i mean, there is -- say, let's call it factor x. if there was a factor that was responsible for 78% of the covid
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deaths and hospitalizations, wouldn't you have to really journalistically report that? >> the co-morbidities? >> i'm talking about obesity. people in the media, people in the government are afraid to even mention it. again, 78% -- 88% of worldwide deaths are in high obesity countries. 40% of covid deaths with people with -- are people with diabetes. yet no one will mention it. i do. but they hate me for it. >> i talk about it, but you're right. it's not the prevailing narrative. >> you cannot -- people have got to participate in their health. i said this before the pandemic. i said we will never get health care right in this country, i don't care if you take bernie sanders' health care plan, elizabeth warren's health care plan, joe biden's, nothing is going to work and it wasn't working unless people understand that they have some skin in the game. they have to participate in their own health. you can't expect just vaccines
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and pills or whatever else they have to do the job. and we never do that in this country. the last person who tried was michelle obama, and it did not go over well. >> when we talk again eight months from today, hopefully we'll talk a lot before then, eight months from today, do you think things are better or worse? >> well, they're not going better for biden and the democrats, and i think that's getting -- eight months is going to be close to the midterm election. i think they're going to get thumped in the -- that usually happens in midterm elections, but you know, i mean, joe -- look, i'm glad he's there, but he has not exactly stuck the landing on a lot of the issues that he was dealing with. the time i'm worried about and i keep talking about is election day, 2024, until january 20th, 2025, inauguration day. again, if trump loses, he will not say he lost. that will never happen. he will never concede, as i said
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last time. but this time, it's not going to be like last time. i mean, he almost pulled it off last time, and this time he's had four years to get those people in place. so what happens on january 20th, 2025, when he shows up for the inauguration and joe biden, whoever the democrat is, shows up to the inauguration, what happens then? that's when i want to be, you know, on vacation in london. >> so now my hardest situation -- how do i say until the next time? do we shake hands, fist bump? >> when you came out -- let's get back to normal. >> good. i'll take it. if normal is talking to you -- >> yeah? a pleasure -- >> i'll take normal all day long. thank you so much. appreciate you as a gift to the audience. >> i appreciate that. thank you for watching. stay tuned because you know what continues on cnn -- the news next. ok, let's talk about those changes to your financial plan. bill, mary? hey... it's our former broker carl. carl, say hi to nina, our schwab financial consultant.
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