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>> announcer: this is cnn breaking news. welcome to our viewers here in the united states and all around the world. i'm michael holmes. appreciate your company. we begin with the breaking news. police say several people are dead, more than 20 are injured, including children, after a vehicle plowed through a christmas parade in waukesha in wisconsin on sunday. they say one person is in custody and that there is no active threat to the community. a warning, some of the videos from the scene are disturbing. one woman catching the moment
the vehicle ran down members of a marching band. ♪ and we're obviously not going to show you the moment of impact here. we're told that the white house and fbi are monitoring the situation, and the incident has drawn swift reaction from lawmakers on capitol hill. police say that an officer did fire his weapon at the vehicle to try to stop it. no one was injured by that gunfire. cnn's natasha chen on the scene with the latest. >> reporter: the police chief, mayor, and fire chief would not answer any questions at the very latest update of the evening. but earlier sunday night, they did confirm a few key points, including the fact that more than 20 people were injured, including children. they would not say how many people exactly had been killed. the police chief said they are
still working on informing next of kin, and many people are still being treated in area hospitals. the police chief did say that initially about a dozen children and a dozen adults were taken to about six hospitals in the area with more people who had been taken to hospitals in private vehicles. they also said that they did not believe there were actually shots fired from the suspect vehicle. law enforcement on the scene actually fired at the vehicle in attempts to stop it. so initial reports from witnesses that they heard gunfire may have actually been the police discharging their weapon. another point is that they do have a person of interest in custody, and they have located the suspect vehicle as well. this was incredibly devastating and shocking for the witnesses and the families there who were trying to have a good time at this christmas parade. i did speak to one woman who lives in a nearby apartment complex. she had stepped out onto her balcony to see this parade and saw this vehicle just plow through people, running over a
marching band. so a very devastating night for this community in the middle of what was supposed to be a festive, happy event, turning into tragedy. back to you. >> our thanks to natasha chen. earlier cnn spoke with a man who witnessed the terrifying scene unfold. he had just finished marching in the parade when he decided to circle back and watch it for himself. he described what happened next to cnn's pamela brown. >> after we had finished the route, my family and i and my campaign manager, we decided we wanted to circle back, go head back to main street to watch the rest of the parade, grab some food. but as we were heading back to main street, i saw an suv speeding along the parade route, and then all of a sudden heard a loud bang. and then i heard deafening cries, screams from people in attendance, people marching in the parade. folks started running away from
the scene, and folks left their belongings behind, holding on to their kids, running away from main street where the parade was. and then when the crowd cleared out, it looked like that there were people on the ground who were struck by the vehicle. >> joining me now from cambridge, massachusetts, is cnn senior national security analyst juliette kayyem. good to have you on, juliette. in situations like this when it comes to why it happened, it's more what we don't know than we do know. >> yes. >> what, though, is your read on what you know so far? >> the police department feels pretty confident saying that this is an isolated incident, and that, to me, is the most important thing at this stage because we're heading into the holiday season, the big travel days. people are finally back together. this was the first kenosha parade since -- i'm sorry -- waukesha parade since covid
began, and so people are out and about. so you want to make sure that there's no systemic, pervasive kind of attack or unrest. and i think that that's been sort of put to rest. >> yeah. >> that is the good news out of this. >> you know, one odd aspect of this is of course that horrific video of the car plowing through people. but there's another video of the car avoiding people, driving by, not targeting at all. what do you make of that? >> yes. so that's why i got on early and, you know, people get mad at me because i don't speculate. but i got on early and said from the perspective of someone who's seen a lot of these, i help plan major events, either sporting events or whatever for security reasons. a couple things stood out to me, and that's why we have to await judgment. i don't know if they hold. one is that the car looked damaged before it entered the parade area. so you wonder was something else going on beforehand. the second is there does appear
to be periods where the driver is swerving away from groups. it doesn't mean he missed them all, but that he does appear to try to avoid them. we don't know what that means at this stage. but for someone like me, that cuts against the, oh, my god, this is terrorism, or, mowoh, m god, this is some racial response or whatever it is we're dealing with in the united states right now. >> great point. as you mentioned, this time of year there have been deliberate car attacks around the world. the christmas markets in spain, new york, elsewhere. i suppose law enforcement has to bear that in mind. but the jumping to conclusions is dangerous as well. >> yes, absolutely. i think there's something to learn out of these because, remember, there was an incident here in the united states that ended up being an elderly man in new york. and so i think what we have to get trained better at is to have police information come out faster. you were probably watching today, but they kept postponing
this press conference. that lets lots of rumors feed. at some stage they knew they had a person of interest and that it was unlikely to be terrorism. even if they don't know what the reason is, and one of the things that law enforcement needs to be trained for in the era of social media is being more comfortable saying, look, we don't believe it's terrorism. take that off the table, and we have the person in custody or we have a person of interest. that took several hours, and in those hours, those communities upset, but also things get activated for better or for worse, and we have to recognize that. >> yeah, and we often say after, you know, incidents of various kinds, you know, we can't let this happen again. but really it's impossible to fully prevent something like this happening. you know, the so-called low tech and so on. >> that's absolutely right. people like me who started in a world of counterterrorism and prevention really, for the reasons that you say, have
shifted our thinking about, well, how can we be better prepared at that moment of impact, right, so we can minimize losses, get communities back up and running, and thinking about what we call right of boom right after the bad thing because there's no way you could have societies like ours. people want to get together. they want to go to sporting events, parades. it's the holidays. it's been a pandemic. people want to be together. we want them to be together safely and vaccinated. there's no way you're going to get the threat down to zero. so what we have to do is also anticipate, as you said, sort of a world in which these may be recurring, but their success is measured if less harm is done. and that is unfortunately in an age of all sorts of mayhem, whether natural or manmade, that is what we're going to have to think about. so from that perspective, this is an incident that is tragic, but it could have been so much worse. >> yeah. good point. real quick, what is the
procedure for law enforcement, their priorities at the moment when something like this happens? >> well, so right now they have the person in custody, so whether that's the owner of the car or the person who was driving it or someone who knows who that is, that information will likely come out. and now if it's not the driver of the car, there will be a search for the driver of the car. so that's going on. i think it's noticeable that the fbi has not gotten involved with this case. in most cases that are suspected terrorism, they would have by this stage. so that's also good news in the sense that maybe it doesn't seem like we have a terror threat right now. and then every mayor and police chief will assess their parade and holiday planning to ensure that there are protocols for a rampaged vehicle, whether it's purposeful or on accident. >> that's a good point. there will be a lot of revision going on. juliette, thank you so much. juliette kayyem, appreciate it. >> thank you so much. and lawmakers representing
wisconsin are speaking out about the tragedy on social media. u.s. senate democrat tammy baldwin tweeting, quote, the horrific violence at the waukesha christmas parade is just heartbreaking. please keep the victims in your prayers. republican senator ron johnson offering his thoughts and prayers, tweeting, my gratitude for all law enforcement, medical personnel, and community members who are responding. and u.s. house republican scott fitzgerald wrote, quote, i'm praying for the safety of all those impacted by the senseless tragedy in waukesha. and the city of waukesha now says five people are dead and more than 40 are injured although they caution those numbers might change. cnn will have more on the wisconsin tragedy later this hour. do stay with us for our continuing coverage. meanwhile, coming up here on the program, after days of concern over the safety and whereabouts of the tennis star peng shuai, the international olympic committee says she told
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assault earlier this month. many in the tennis community have expressed concern about her well-being. the ioc did not give cnn access to that video call. for more on all of this, let's bring in cnn's kristie lu stout in hong kong, who has been following this from the very start. actually before we go on, i just want to say that we've been monitoring china's signal of cnn's broadcast, and you can see there on your screen, color bars. they have cut our signal, our broadcast within china, and that kind of says everything, you know, doesn't it? >> reporter: yeah, that is a reminder, what you see on the screen, of the internet and media censorship regime in china. since we started reporting on this story last week, cnn has continued to be blacked out inside of china. there's no mention of peng shuai and these serious sexual abuse allegations from her social
media in china or state media in china. we continue to press the state council information office for comment. we've gotten no response for a couple days in a row now. the question would be posed from the international media to the ministry of foreign affairs about the case involving peng shuai, and they always decline to comment, saying it is not a diplomatic issue. the question will be raised again today at a briefing, so we'll wait and hear from that. something we do want to discuss is this new video chat thursday that was released by the ioc. and what we see here, according to the international olympic committee, they're saying that this 30-minute video chat took place between its president, thomas bach, and peng shuai, in which she says she is safe and well. she is living at home in beijing. she wants people to respect her privacy. and there were two other individuals who also took part in this video chat, including a chinese sports official. a video of this chat was not given to cnn. we only have the statement and
the photograph that you see there, a still photo in which you see peng shuai smiling to the camera. it's been three weeks since peng shuai made that explosive allegation, accusing a very powerful man, a former vice premier of china, of forcing her to have sex with him. she made that statement on her verified --. it was shortly taken down thereafter. she has been under blanket censorship since then. that has triggered international outcry including the hashtag that went viral, #whereispengshuai. a series of photographs and videos were released apparently showing peng shuai out and about being active in beijing, but a number of her supporters and also the women's tennis association, they're not accepting that. they don't buy this video as a proof of life video. they want reassurances about her welfare as well. let's bring up a statement for you. it's the freshest one we have from the women's tennis
association. it was good to see peng shuai in recent videos, but they don't alleviate or address the wta's concern about her well-being and ability to communicate without censorship or coercion. the latest news, michael, about the ioc's video call about peng, that has not ended concerns. it's just adding another question into the mix among peng shuai's supporters internationally. just how free is peng shuai? back to you. >> to that point, kristi, a couple of things. it's significant, is it not, that the chat was with the ioc and not the wta or someone close to peng. it just shows that the ioc -- or that china is worried about olympic blowback. and also the videos that you mentioned, they were all posted on social media platforms that are not seen in china. so chinese people are not seeing this. >> reporter: yeah, two very interesting points.
first the ioc is not a neutral player. the ioc has a very close relationship with beijing. it has a lot of stake here with the upcoming beijing olympic games. the concern over peng shuai has cast a shadow over those games. you have talk of a potential or people considering -- governments considering the possibility of a diplomatic boycott. they had to address that, and that's why we saw this highly choreographed video chat being written up and shared with us from the ioc. in regards to your second point, yes, it was interesting over the weekend when state media wanted to answer the question, where is peng shuai, they used twitter to send these photos of peng shuai apparently at a youth tennis tournament, apparently at a popular restaurant in beijing. twitter, of course, is not available inside china. it was aimed squarely at an international audience to answer that question, where is peng shuai? michael. >> great analysis there. kristie lu stout in hong kong, appreciate it. thank you. >> you got it. joining me now from new york
is leda hong fisher. she's the author of "betraying big brother: the feminist awakening in china." thanks for being with us. peng shuai's case has the world's attention right now, but how representative is her situation of what many women face when they make allegations of harassment and worse in china? >> well, of course, you know, peng shuai is very famous, but the vast majority of women who speak out about sexual abuse in china are not known at all. what is very typical is that as soon as somebody puts a personal story of sexual abuse on social media, it's quite common for the censors to kick in. there's been a very harsh crackdown on all kinds of feminist activism and feminist discourse online. the "me too" movement is very
heavily censored. so the fact that peng shuai's post disappeared within 30 minutes is very typical. but of course everything that's happened after that is unusual. >> talk more about the impact of how it's become incredibly difficult for china's own "me too" movement to even exist because of censorship in china. authorities literally blocking the me too hashtag, scrubbing mentions of incidents from the internet, including peng shuai, but many, many others as well. what does that say about "me too" issues and how they're treated by authorities in general in china? >> right. well, the chinese government really sees feminism as a threat, and ever since the "me too" hashtag went viral globally at the end of 2017, the chinese censors inside china have been very aggressive about wiping it
off the internet although sometimes it still gets through. it's not a complete blackout on the internet. so it is very difficult for any victim of sexual abuse to use the internet in china, social media to gain attention. and yet messages have been getting through, and it's kind of amazing given not just internet censorship but the very heavy propaganda apparatus. >> it was only a couple of months ago that the activist sophia sway chin was arrested f. there have been retaliatory defamation charges and so on. what happens to feminist or women's rights activists who speak out strongly? >> yes. well, sometimes they are detained. most notably in 2015, there were
five feminist activists who were actually jailed for merely planning to celebrate international women's day by handing out stickers about sexual harassment on public transportation. so most of the time, though, the perceived troublemakers, the feminist activists or "me too" activists, they'll be heavily censored. they may be persecuted. they may be taken in for questioning very aggressively. sometimes security agents or police will talk to the women's landlords to put pressure on the landlord to kick the woman out of her apartment. that's happened a lot with feminist activists. and in the last few months, several prominent feminist activists have had their wab wa accounts completely deleted. >> there's only one woman in the party's politburo and i think that says a lot. how entrenched is male domination in a top-down sense?
>> oh, well, i mean i make the argument in my book that china has a system of patriarchal authori authoritarianism. it's very much all about male domination and the subjugation of women. there's a lot of misogyny and sexism. in terms of women's political representation, there has never been a woman on the standing committee of the politburo in the entire history of the people's republic of china. there is very little representation of women at the politburo, and even beneath the politburo in the central committee, there are very few women. in fact, there are fewer women today than there were in the past on the central committee. >> do you think there will ever be an investigation into the initial allegations as the outside world demands when it comes to peng shuai given how close the former vice president
waze was to the president, president xi? do you think it will ever be looked at? >> i think it's virtually impossible that the authorities in beijing would ever truly investigate peng shuai's allegations. we never know what's really happening with any of these senior leaders and that is what makes peng shuai's accusation against this extremely senior former vice premier of china just so incredibly explosive. and there's this rape culture that is endemic, particularly at the very senior levels of the communist party, and peng shuai's accusation providing details about the sexual assault at the highest levels of the communist party, this is extremely politically sensitive. so it's no wonder that beijing is carrying out this elaborate
kind of propaganda effort to try to just deal with the mess. >> yeah, and i think it's telling that all of the videos that have been released have not been on platforms readily seen in china. i think that says a lot too. leta hong fincher, thank you so much. >> thank you. it was a delight to be here. >> i just want to point out the entire time we've been talking about this story, you can see there our signal into china has been blocked for the entire time that we've had this segment. it was not blocked until we started talking about peng shuai. we're going to take a quick break. when we come back, it's being described as an unspeakable tragedy in wisconsin. a driver plowing through a christmas parade leaving many injured, some dead. we'll have the latest details coming up. also a backlash from the netherlands to austria as
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during a holiday parade. the police chief says the suspect's vehicle was recovered, and a person of interest is now in custody. cnn's natasha chen spoke with a witness. >> reporter: one of the people who saw this happen is angela boyle. i just met you, angela, because you were down here. you actually live in the apartment complex where the window overlooks the parade, and you saw this happen. tell me about that moment you stepped out on your balcony to watch the parade. >> well, i was watching it for my kids to say i wish you were here. then the next thing i heard were screams and turned my head and saw the car come and plow into the band that was just past my balcony at that point. it hit at least two people right away, rolled over both of them, and then continued down the road to -- by like people's park, which is at the end of the block, then kept going. it didn't stop. he did not stop at all, or she, whoever it was, but it kept going. >> did you hear gunshots as well? >> i did not. everyone says that, but i did not hear anything. all i heard was screaming and then people yelling out their
children's names. that's all i heard. >> this marching band that you saw that this car had run into, you said this was a high school marching band? what kind of marching band? >> i don't know. i missed the beginning. i literally stepped outside, hit record, and all of this happened. it was perfect timing. >> yeah. so this is obviously really, really horrible to see. what was going through your mind when you heard the screams, you saw the car? what did you think was happening? >> i felt bad for the parents and kids. i couldn't imagine mine being down there myself or anybody else that i know. it was not something i wanted to see, and the people who have watched the video i took are also shaking and just can't believe it. so a little freaked out. >> the people you saw that got hit, were they young? were they old? >> they looked young to me. i don't know, though, because, again, i was five stories up. so i have no idea actually ages, but it was a band of some sort, and that's all i know. >> you stayed inside just in case there was the threat of someone firing shots.
>> i didn't know what to expect, so, yes, i stayed inside until everything was cleared up. >> and i know you told me you don't know anyone that you know who was perhaps at the parade. does that make you nervous right now not knowing if certain people you know are okay? >> i'm assuming my friends are all okay. i was looking at facebook, and no one is saying that they're injured or family members are injured that i know personally, but i don't know who was here and who wasn't. >> how fast did you see and hear response from police and ambulance? >> they were already behind him because he hit them -- i think this is the middle of the parade maybe, but they were already running after him. it was instant that the crowd ran into the people who were injured as well. >> do stay with us here at cnn for continuing coverage as we follow the latest developments out of wisconsin. covid cases on the rise in the u.s., and experts warn a combination of holiday
gatherings and colder weather driving people indoors could lead to a further surge. so here's where things stand right now. the u.s. averaging more than 92,000 cases a day. that is up significantly from two weeks ago. experts say it's not too late to blunt this surge, especially with vaccine boosters now available for all adults. here's dr. anthony fauci on sunday. >> let's make it clear. you know, when there's lack of clarity, people get confused. they're not sure what to do. if you are 18 or older and you've been vaccinated, fully vaccinated with the moderna or the pfizer mrna six months or more ago, get a booster. if it's j&j and it's two months ago or more, get a booster. i don't think we should get hung up on should, may. just go out and get boostered. >> around 59% of the u.s. population is fully vaccinated, not nearly enough according to experts.
more than 35 million americans have received a booster shot. meanwhile, dr. fauci did have some good news for fully vaccinated americans who want to celebrate the holidays with family. he says they should be safe to gather with loved ones as long as everyone has been vaccinated. cnn's polo sandoval with more. >> reporter: over the weekend we heard from multiple health experts including dr. anthony fauci. he says bottom line if you're vaccinated and if your family is vaccinated, it is okay and safe to gather around the thanksgiving table later this week without a mask. that being said, dr. fauci also added that if you are unsure of somebody's vaccination status or if you'll be traveling, then it certainly makes sense to hold on to that mask at least for now. regarding the rise, noticeable rise, in new covid cases throughout parts of the country, dr. fauci told cnn's dana bash this weekend that it's certainly to be expected as we near those winter months and also as we enter what's, hard to believe, going to be the second pandemic holiday season for americans here. that the best way to try to keep
those numbers down is to have people who haven't received their covid-19 vaccine to actually get it. and if they did, then the big recommendation is to actually get boosted. remember, as of this past friday, the cdc and the fda in the united states have approved boosters for all adults who have received moderna and pfizer shots six months ago or longer. two months or longer if they received johnson & johnson shots. polo sandoval, cnn, new york. some protests in europe against new covid restrictions turned violent over the weekend as cases continue to rise on the continent. people in brussels using water cannon and tear gas, and they arrested dozens of people at massive demonstrations against tough new measures. belgium is back to a rate of transmission that it has not seen since last year. austria, meanwhile, has gone back to a nationwide partial lockdown to fight rising cases, and that's led to a lot of
unhappiness. but there are more tough measures to come. >> reporter: restrictions met with resistance on the streets of vienna. covid cases are on the rise, and so is public anger. an estimated 40,000 people attended this anti-government demonstration. >> we will resist. >> we say no to them. >> we all have the choice what to do with our body, all of us. >> reporter: nearly 1 in 3 austrians are unvaccinated. authorities blame fake news and far-right politics for the slow uptake. >> i don't know if something like this is necessary in austria. >> the people are being treated like children. they are not allowed to make their own decisions. >> reporter: as night fell, tensions rose. several were arrested, and two police officers injured. but at austria's largest vaccination center, we find
restrictions are quietly working. rules targeting the unvaccinated have forced some to come forward. up to 20% here are getting their first shot, officials said. jaroslav is among the reluctant. >> translator: i gave into the government's blackmail, he said. i wanted to wait, but the government had other plans for me. >> reporter: the government here is fed up with the unvaccinated. austria plans to be the first country in europe to require, mandate all eligible persons to be immunized and the deadline is soon, february 1st. this expert says it's time for desperate measures. will this vaccine mandate work? >> what we believe is that this is mandatory vaccinations and if this is executed properly, then at least we should be able to avoid situations in the hospitals.
>> reporter: for now, vienna's beloved christmas markets must close. a nationwide lockdown could last up to 20 days. and even when restrictions are lifted, rules will remain in place for the unvaccinated. the government's message, holiday joy is for the immunized. salma abdulazeez, cnn, vienna. still to come, the head of the world food program lays down a challenge for the world's richest. now he's dealing exactly how that should be done. we'll discuss. so i can lock in moisture.e. we've got to have each other's backs. cerave. developed with dermatologists. (vo) singing, or speaking. reon,
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welcome back. the head of the u.n.'s world food programme is answering elon musk's challenge and detailing a plan to spend more than $6 billion of elon's money to combat world hunger. last month david beasley urged billionaires to meet the problem head-on on a onetime basis. in an interview with cnn, he named the world's two richest men, jeff bezos, and musk as logical candidates for that task. >> wake up, smell the coffee, and help. i mean i ask any billionaire, come with me. just come with me on one trip and let me show you the reality. this isn't some humanitarian scheme to raise money. i want to put the world food
programme out of business. but, my god, people are dying out there. every four seconds someone's dying out there from hunger-related causes. we've got solutions. we've got a vaccine for this. it's called money, food. it's easy. billionaires need to step up. >> now, beasley noted that $6 billion would be just 2% of musk's net worth. now musk responded on twitter saying, if the program could describe exactly how $6 billion would solve world hunger and if he could see the books on where it was spent, he would sell tesla stock immediately and do it. so beasley outlined how the money would be spent to feed more than 40 million people across 43 countries. it would pay for food and delivery, provide cash and food vouchers, create new food programs that would adapt to the conditions within various countries and pay for operations management and accountability. it's unclear whether musk has seen the plan or will lend his
support. the chief economist for the world food programme joins me now from rome. thanks for doing so early in the morning there. first of all, what would be the impact of a $6.6 billion donation to combat world hunger? if elon musk actually came up with the money, what sort of difference would it make? >> thanks, michael. good morning. thanks for having me. it would make a big difference. what that $6.6 billion means is people living or dying. it's not about ending world hunger. it is about making sure that people, for one year, at a cost of about 43 cents per meal, one meal a day for 42 million people. >> the offer was made with the condition that the spending plan was transparent, open-source
accounting, he said. do you think the wfp has met that condition with what you've laid out? it certainly looks like it. >> yes, sir. i mean, you know, the thing is world food programme, we were awarded the nobel peace prize in 2020. people know us. we're the biggest humanitarian agencies. we meet accounting requirements. if it is good for american taxpayer, if it is good for all those taxpayers, i think it should be good for mr. musk too. >> the challenge is laid out there. wfp director david beasley, who we just heard from, he said this quote. the world is on fire. i've been warning about the perfect storm brewing due to covid. climate shocks now rising. supply chain costs. it is here, he said. describe the impact of that
convergence of circumstances on world hunger. >> i think, you know, cnn did this -- of afghanistan, which was about people having to sell their daughters to put food on the table. there was another story done in madagascar. it was about children eating mud to fill their bellies. in 21st century, if we are at this stage with so much wealth, there's definitely something seriously wrong. so i don't know what more evidence we need to show that the world is in a bad place, and it is because of shocks like wars, climate crises, covid, and rising costs. food prices are up, in the u.s., elsewhere, food prices are up. inflation is up. supply chains are disrupted. fuel was, up until day before
yesterday. so what does that mean to a person sitting in a place like madagascar or yemen or syria or drc? it's terrible out there, and we need to do something because we know about this. >> if elon musk follows through, what kind of pressure or encouragement might that put on other billionaires? i mean david beasley, as we said, tagged amazon's jeff bezos in the original challenge. any word from him? do you hope more step up to the plate? musk is yet to step up, but hopefully he does. >> i hope so. we are doing this in good faith. we are grateful to mr. musk and others for shining light on such a critical issue, but now it's time for action. i think it is critically important, and frankly it doesn't matter whether it is done through wfp or somebody else. mr. musk can do it himself. but the point is let's get it done. if this problem exists and
people know that it exists and there is evidence of that and it needs to be solved, then let's get it solved. it doesn't matter who does it. if they can do it better, more power to them. >> and just finally, a lot of billionaires around the world -- and this was pretty staggering. a lot of them actually got richer during the pandemic, a lot richer during the pandemic. what's your challenge to them? >> well, you know, we're not asking for the moon. i mean this is very -- i mean it's like off the money they made during the last year and a half. like david beasley says, it's a onetime ask. governments are putting up, but they're broken down, i mean by covid and the money spent to deal with the economic consequences of that, deal with the disease. everybody's tapped out. and in that situation, if you have it, i think it is not only
your moral responsibility, it is also a smart thing to do both economically and politically going forward to help these people out because the cost of inaction is a thousand times more. we have seen it time and again. >> well, the challenge was thrown out. thank you so much. and good luck with all you do. >> thank you. thank you, michael, for giving us the opportunity to bring this topic up in this international forum. thanks a lot. >> of course. >> coming up here on cnn, the latest on our breaking news. a vehicle plows through a wisconsin christmas parade, a people watch in horror. stay with us. we'll be right back.
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our top story this hour, wisconsin officials say five people are dead and more than 40 people injured after a vehicle plowed into a crowd attending a christmas parade in the town of waukesha. now, here is some video of the aftermath showing people being treated at the scene. police say they have a person of interest. he is in custody, and there is
no active threat to the community. last hour, i spoke to a local reporter who was sent to waukesha shortly after the tragedy occurred. here's what he said. >> you could see ambulances flying down the interstate in the opposite direction toward the hospital. when i arrived on the scene, it was pretty quiet. the police officers did a pretty good job of, um, breaking up the group. of, um, getting people out of the area so they could take a look at the crime scene. um, still a lot of red lieghts around everywhere. ambulances coming from every direction. i arrived at city hall where the mayor arrived. he didn't take comment. um, and then from there, we were shuffled into the fire department waiting for instructions from the police department. >> that was reporter drake bentley speaking with me earlier and he is going to be back in a
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this is cnn breaking news. welcome to our viewers here in the united states and, of course, all around the world. i'm rosemary church. we begin with this breaking news. city government officials in waukesha, wisconsin, say at least five people are dead and more than 40 injured after a vehicle plowed through a christmas parade. children are among those who were hit. they say one person is in custody, and that there is no active threat to the community. one man caught the moment the vehicle sped up -- sped by members in the parade.