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science, that is a world we will all go extinct by something science could have prevented. because you know if the dinosaurs had a space program, they would have deflected that asteroid and they would still be here. >> would they like "armageddon" or "deep impact," the dinosaurs, the films? >> deep impact had way better science. it wasn't as entertaining. "armageddon" violated more laws per minute than any movie ever made. >> thank you for being with us. i appreciate your time, wishing you a happy thanksgiving. >> you too and your whole staff. the news continues. let's head over to michael smerconish in for chris cuomo. >> john berman, thank you. welcome to "prime time" on this thanksgiving eve. there is no word to use alleged, it was murder, a jury has spoken. all three white defendants in
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georgia convicted by an almost white jury in the deep south of killing ahmaud aubrey in 2020. this was a trial many used as another test for racial bias. by that measure, it was a good day for equal justice under the law. of the 27 total charges for travis and greg mcmichael and william roddie bryan, only four resulted in not guilty investigators. the man who pulled the trigger and killed aubrey, found guilty on all nine of his counts. >> count one, malice murder, guilty. count two, felony murder, guilty. count three, felony murder, guilty. count four, felony murder, guilty. count five, felony murder, guilty. count six, aggravated assault,
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guilty. count seven, aggravated assault, guilty. count eight, false imprisonment, guilty. count nine, criminal athe emto commit a felony, guilty. >> this has been a long-time coming for the aubrey family and all who were standing with them. this case went 74 days without an arrest. the first da on the case was indicted for oob instructing this investigation. another had to recuse himself because of his ties to mcmichaels. a third stepped down due to lack of sufficient resources, this trial almost never happened until there was a national outcry when the video surface. ed. so aubrey's parents are understandably relieve. >> it's been a long fight. it's been a hard fight.
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but god is good. i never thought this day would come. but god is good. we knew him as ahmaud. i knew him as friend, he will now rest in peace. >> we are all, so, hey, let's keep fighting. let's keep doing this. >> i have to say the guilty investigators didn't surprise me, nor that this verdict came today instead of extending beyond thanksgiving. what did police aptly surprise me was the nuance of the verdict. the jury process mounds of evidence and 27 pounds in the span of 11 hours. their conclusion suggests this was an outcome based on evidence and analysis, not emotion. why do i say that? well, the case was pretty straight forward factually except for the final sequence when he shot and killed aubrey. only travis mcmichael was alive. he said aubrey lunged for his gun and he fired in self-defense. the jury rejected that testimony. the law was potentially complicated.
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in lay terms, the judge instructed the jury that under the then applicable georgia law, a person can make citizens arrest if a felony has been committed in their presence or within their immediate knowledge or if they had reasonable ground of suspicion. what matters is whether they had reasonable suspicion, not whether he was actually committing a felony. someonesqueuateing a citizens arrest can't use excessive force, one asserting defense can't be the aggressor, the target of an unjustified citizens arrest can be used appropriate force on their own behalf and the prosecution must disprove the defendant's claim of self-defense. against that backdrop, i wandered if their decision would be visceral. all or nothing. was aubrey, hunt, trapped and killed or was travis mcmichael justified in taking his life? instead of a jury deliberation, it was a deliberate outcome. yes, it can be said each was
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found guilty of murder. between the three, only travis mcmichael was guilty of malice murder, interpretational murder. his father gregory mcmichael and neighbor william roddie bryan were killed on four counts of felony murder, that is causing the death of another person committing a felony. on aggravated assault, both were found guilty of both counts. mr. bryan was acquitted on one and the other. the not guilty on four counts, i think show significant deliberation, a willingness to resist a simple all or nothing finding. here's my bottom line. this was a quality piece of work by citizens who didn't shirk their jury responsible. they showed up, listened, watched and came to a logical conclusion. for all the talk about race, it was 11 white jurors, 1 person of color who delivered this justice. so a good day for the judicial
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system. not because how the case turned out, but because of how these jurors got there. let's bring in other opinions, who criminal defense attorneys who you know, cnn legal analyst joey jackson and mark o'mara in the trayvon martin case. you heard my analysis, big picture, what did you think about the jury verdict? >> i almost said it was right on point. i told you in a previous conversation i was a bit worried that we would not get a verdict today. we might have a difficult time with getting a verdict because of the geography, because of the makeup of the jury and because we have the computing interest of citizens arrest on one side, self-defense on another and yet we have the evidence of this tracking down not suggesting citizens arrest when they had the opportunity to talk to police initially. this trapping like a rat and i really thought that we might have a jury who was wrestling way too much with those nuances of the law. but i have to agree with what you said.
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they looked at this, i found the deliberations that led to the acquittal exstrord naturally significant. they were paying attention. they held the responsibility on travis first. then dad sort of second and roddey bryant third. i thought that was compliantly done with the law and the facts. >> joey, big picture reaction. also, remind everybody as i said at the outset, we almost never got here, right, but for the video, there would never have been a prosecution? >> yeah, that's absolutely right, michael. i'm in accord with your analysis. you know, this is interesting. you can look at it on the one hand and say it's a broken system or look at it on the
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other and say it's a system that works. what do i mean? and how as we never got here or perhaps we would not have been here. you look at the first district attorney who now, herself, is under die. she's under indictment for issues related to her for obstruction. under indictment for issues associated with just interfering in that process. then have you who i speak of as jackie johnson. she then recuses herself and gives her a memo saying there is nothing to see here and blaming ahmaud aubrey for being a criminal. it goes to another prosecutor who as you indicated doesn't have the appropriate resources. then we have the state step in. all of that is done against the backdrop of humanity, people crying for justice, people yearning for something to occur here and something is amiss. you have the videotape, the outraged public, 74 days, two-and-a-half months later, where finally, there are dimes made, arrests made and people brought to justice, then, of course, the process begins. notwithstanding that process,
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which is somewhat broken but is it broken if you have people who can rise up, good people of goodwill and say you know what, something's wrong here. we have to take a closer look. then when you take a closer look, michael, you have a situation where you have a jury empanelled and a judge who says, this is intentional discrimination as it relates to 11 white jurors and one african-american. then you have that jury that processes through and render a verdict that speaks to facts as we know them to be, that speaks to the rule of law that we know it to be and speaks to the issue of humanity, which goes to demonstrate and show that at the end of the day, jurors assess and look, whether they're black, white, yellow, green, whoever they pray to, wear, who they love, they come one a verdict i think is absolutely right on the law, final point and the verdict as mark alluded to and you have, too, is very nuance with respect to making findings on the law,
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fought emotion, not sympathy, anything else. going through everything, coming into the court. let's see the 911 tape. let's look at video three times. thereafter rendering a verdict. shows after he was broken was fixed and really comes to this day. so what a heartening moment for that particular community, for georgia and for the united states of america. >> yeah. and a day that you can believe in the system. again, not because of the outcome. but because of the way they got there, this collection of 12 neighbors who got together, listened to the evidence, methodically went through that slip. mark o'mara when it was all done, reverend sharpton had immediate availability on behalf of the family of descendant. he said something of interest i want to play for you and everybody else. >> let the word go forth all over the world that a jury of 11
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whites and one black in the deep south stood up in the courtroom and said that black lives do matter. let it be clear that almost ten years after trayvon, marcus' son to prove that if we kept marching and kept fighting we would make you hear us. >> you heard reference to trayvon martin. what parallels between that case in which you were involved and this case today? >> well look, from 10,000 feet up there are a lot of similarities. let's look at it a. black guy running through a neighborhood, maybe a whitish kind of neighborhood in the zimmerman case here, tracked down or watched by somebody and eventually shot. when you look at it that way, i understand the analysis. also it looks back then justice wasn't served and it finally did here. not to redefend george zimmerman from almost a decade ago, when you look at the facts,
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themselves, the the way that george is acting, talking to police, not chasing after trayvon after he was told not there, there was a four-minute span where trayvon came back. the juries to george. when you do look at it, there are many more differences than there are similarities. but i will grant this and i have fought this my entire career. there is no question that there are still ongoing advisers in the criminal justice system against a young black male. it is great we have this verdict to say it's not as much as it used to be ten years ago or 20 years ago. but let's be realistic about this also and i'm glad about this, that we are now in the age of video. we would not have had an arrest and certainly not a conviction with george floyd's case if but for the video and we wouldn't have an investigation if it wasn't here.
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>> joey jackson. i'm out of time, but for 20 seconds. the feds do pursue this case. the case we're talking about tonight, right? >> they do. different theories, different standard with respect to what they have to prove, motivated by racial animous, about their race, why they pursued him, attempting to kidnap him. i think you have to set the example, this is not okay. the federal government does it, the state government does it. that's what we call justice in america. >> joey jackson, mark o'mara, thank you for coming out to play the night before thanksgiving. wishing you good things tomorrow. >> happy thanksgiving. the justice system, it worked in this case. not for my next guest. he spent decades behind bar in one of the wrong cases. the newly exonerated free man joins me next.
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♪ i took the good times i'll take the bad times ♪ ♪ i take you just the way you are ♪ billy joel won the grammy for record of the year for that song in 1978. what else happened in 1978? well, jimmy carter was the president. gas was 63 cents a gallon. the top three films, "grease," "animal house," "superman," 1978. that's also the last year that my next guest was able to walk freely before he was september to prison for a murder he didn't commit. now 62-years-old. he was only 17 when he was charged in a shooting that killed three people in kansas city. strickland was found guilty by an all white jury after his first trial ended as a mistrial
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when the lone black juror refused to convict. he maintained his innocence for decades. in 2016, the sole survivor in the shooting recanted testimony that strickland was at the scene. she says she was pressured by police. not only that but two other men convicted in the shooting said strickland was not with them. the original prosecutors said they believed he was innocent. a reform law that allows prosecutors to refer cases to a judge where they feel a mistake was made. 43 years after he was first locked up, he finally got a hearing and a judge overturned his conviction making him the longest serving wrongfully convicted prisoner in missouri history. he joins us now alongside his attorney and the mid-west innocent project. mr. strickland, a lot has
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changed since 1978. i know you have been outside a short time. what has been most jarring as you are reacompliment acclimateing to the outside world? >> what is the most jarring? it's a different terminology. i mean, telephone, tv, trying to get familiar with those things in such a short period of time already. money, i actually saw a couple cash dollars today. i couldn't believe the size of them. it's difficult for me to go deeper into that. but as you just mentioned when the show was starting, there has been a lot of changes, a lot of changes. >> i know that at the top of your list as a free man was to visit the grave of your mother who passed while you were away. tell me about that experience. >> it was, it was tough to, you know, to see that dirt and know my mother, you know, was
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underneath. i mean, that she was a fighter and she tried to hold on, but it was like it's heart breaking. she tried to hold on and you know the powers that be decide i wasn't supposed to see that day before she passed. so it's very difficult. you are about to get me started with that one. but i'm good. >> okay. i'm not looking to get you started. i was curious about the experience. i know the short list is an ocean visit, right? that's on the absolute things must do bucket list as we say? >> correct. correct. yes. as i think i'm seeing these other times. it doesn't make sense to me.
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a 40, 50-year-old life, don't get in the ocean. there is so much water, they say it's three-quarters water and i would like to go out there and do that not just off the beach. but out there, where ships and things sail. i want to do that. >> counselor, i know you and others have been fighting for a long time in this case. what finally broke it? >> all right. so this is one of those cases where they have the unusual position of a prosecutor really examining a case and agreeing someone is innocent. fortunately, that, itself wasn't enough. mr. strickland's innocence has been around since 1979. he's filed 17 habeas petitions on his own. nothing would bring that forward. the prosecutor found it.
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it took a law that allowed a prosecutor to time such a motion to begin the process, but even then it still took months and months because of the way the system was designed here in missouri, it allows the attorney general to have a part in that proceeding and in this case, the tomorrow fought mr. strictland's release, even though the prosecutor agreed he was innocent. >> i know his initial conviction was predicated on a lineup eyewitness testimony. what, if anything, does this case tell us about the reliability of eyewitness testimony? >> yeah. our understanding of eyewitness identifications has just changed tremendously since 1978. i think most people think if an eyewitness says they saw something, it must be true. it must be the most reliable. we know tra stranger identifications are some of the most unreliable. in mr. strickland's case, what was most interesting the victim knew mr. strickland. she didn't identify him. gave two other names. that actually shows that it wasn't him.
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that's exculpatory evidence. she only made an identification later after other people came to him and said, doesn't he hang out with those other people? that's what we know, that suggestive nature changes the way our memory looks at things. to hear the prosecutor say they wouldn't charge that case today. >> why such a challenge to right the wrongs in a case like this? >> i think that's a great question we hope those who fight it have to answer. i think unfortunately in missouri the tomorrow's office had a history of fighting every innocence case in the last 30 years. mr. strickland's was no different. but i think the large amount of attention that has been made to what mr. strickland has experienced, particularly for the amount of time that you had to go through it is bringing this to light to the rest of the folks who get to decide who we elect to side what justice is. what is that, that we want that
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to look like? why is this hard? none of us think it should be. >> another important aspect of this case before we leave. under missouri law, correct me if i'm wrong, he's not entitled to compensation for all the time that he was behind bars for a crime that he did not commit, according to system? what are you doing about that? >> that's correct. so missouri is one of the minority states that doesn't provide for any compensation. you know, certainly, we're asking. we'd love for that to change. but in the meantime, mr. strickland is resting on the kindness of strangers. so we set up a go fund me account for him in hopes of providing for him. he's not entitled to social security, for example, he didn't pay into it in all those years. so really it's the community that's going to be providing that support. >> mr. strickland, how do you feel? any sense of bitterness? obviously, you are relieved to be out.
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how would you sum up your emotions? >> well, i think i've created a few things that most people don't know about but frustration, disappointment, patience, you know, i wouldn't put bitterness and anger in there. it's just more so, you know, frustration, that it took them this long to finally get a jury to hear all the evidence after i was filing petition after petition after petition on my own trying to have somebody hear my situation. so, it would be frustration. >> kevin strickland, wish you good things. trisha rowho bushnell thank you for success on behalf of your client and thank you. >> you are welcome. yet another big smash-and-grab robbery in california. a wave of organized retail thefts hitting upscale stores in major cities, particularly in california.
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cops are looking for most of the 80 robbers who overran another nordstrom outside of san francisco. scenes like this are happening all over but are becoming increasingly common in california. this type of organized shop lifting exploded during the pandemic. the fbi says we're talking in the ballpark of 30 billion a year in losses. l.a. and the bay area lead the nation with sacramento in the top cities plagued by this trend. the challenges are practical and political in this once tough on crime state that seen a wave in prosecutors. they include my next guest california's attorney general. mr. ag, thank you so much for being here. why california and what are you doing about it? >> good evening, michael, thank you for having me. you know, i just want to be clear about what's happening in california and across the nation. it's awful. it's unacceptable. it's unsafe for our shoppers, for our businesses, for our communities at large and this is organized retail crime.
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this is not petty theft. this is not shop lifting. this is not a teenager stealing candy from the store. this is organized. this is planned. this is premeditative. there is intent. crowbars, ghost guns, pepper spray. flash mobs up to 80/90 people stealing up to a million dollars. so we will continue to do what we do. this is an area where we have investigated, prosecutored crimes. we have some right now, we're announcing a sentencing in early december. we have others in different stages of the criminal justice process. we have arrests, arraignments, other sentencings, investigations we are just starting. so we will continue to do the work that we do work with our partners, collaborate to keep california safe which is what they accident they deserve all of their law enforcement leaders working together to help make that a reality. >> but the incidents seem to be disproportionately occurring in california from 3,000 miles
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away. i can't help but think that it's because so many prosecutions, you correct me if i'm wrong, don't start until $950. i know that's by virtue of one of the propositions. i i think it was 37 a couple years ago. do you think that's what they see the abhor represent case in. >> not at all. these are clearly felonies. these are not misdemeanors. these are clearly cases of grand theft, not petty theft. there is burglary, there is robbery. there is crimes of organized retail theft under california law, there is receipt of stolen property. >> mr. ag, if i can interrupt, as people are seeing the footage of individuals who are running out with articles of who knows what in their hands. if i am one of those, i'll call them looters. i'm stealing something worth $925, i'm being prosecuted if you catch me for a misdemeanor, right? >> that's not what's happening
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here. let's be clear. these are -- >> am i right about that, am i right about what i just said? >> you are right the threshold in california between a petty theft and grand theft is $950, which is consistent with the rest of the nation, except the outlier of texas. we have a threshold consistent with the rest of the nation. but that is not what's happening here. these are not petty thefts. these are not misdemeanors. they're clearing out the stores. this is looting. this is havoc. people using weapons. so it is wrong respectfully to see this as a shoplifting incident contemplated by prop 47. what has been happening here is illegal and has felonies in california for many years. prop 47 didn't change that. >> where disproportionately much of this seems to be taking place in san francisco. have you contemplated using your
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state constitutional powers to provide more of a supervisory role over the san francisco district attorney? >> we are in contact with the san francisco attorney's office, as well as other attorney's offices involved in the most repeat cases we've seen that have been invisible over the last few days, contra costa, santa clara, we're offering our support, our collaboration, our intelligence, our coordination, that's what this requires, law enforcement working together to solve the problem and the problem is, we need to bring the individuals involved in this organized activity to justice. they need to be heldkable. there will be accountability, there will be consequence. so we're working with our das and law enforcement partners and the government's team and the task force to address organized retail crime and we're going to do our part to make sure californians are safe and that
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there is accountability in these incidents and that we'll stop them going forward. >> i, of course, understand and believe in the need to hold these perpetrators accountable. similarly, my understanding is you have a state constitutional authority if you exercise it where you can become much more directly involved and play a supervisory role over the district attorneys about whom you've just spoken. what about the accountability of those prosecutors? are they being too soft? and if so, will you do something about it? >> well look, let's look at the facts, the san francisco county district attorney has made nine arrests and five felony charges. the contra costa district attorney has made arrests and brought felony charges. the santa clara county made arrests and felony charges. there should be arests and felony charges.
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do i have a constitutional role over sheriffs in the state of california and mdas to work with them and provide support, collaboration and when necessary supervision. right now, we're at a stage where we're working in tandem to provide the best service and the most public safety for people of california. >> i wish you good things with this. thank you so much for being here. >> thank you for having me. honored to be with you. >> you too. with the holiday season upon us, many vaccinated americans are rushing to get booster shots for more protection. the fda and cdc rem boosters for all adults. so should the definition of fully vacc'ed be limited to those who have the underlying inoculation and the booster? we'll ask a top medical mind what she thinks next.
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there is a conversation unfolding whether fully vaccinated ought to include a booster, why? the current increase of covid infections is driving more concern over waning immunity
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from initial shots. now the cdc has authorized a booster for all adults, some think that should be the new standard. but that's not what dr. fauci just told cnn in the last hour. watch. >> right now officially, john, the definition of fully vaccinated is still two doses of the moderna and pfizer and one dose of j&j. that's the requirement when people talk about what is required for this or for that. but that does not actually contradict fact that we're saying, as vaccine efficacy wanes, you need to get that booster to brew you right up. >> for more on this i want to bring in former baltimore city health commissioner dr. lena wen, also the author of the new book "lifelines." dr. wen, nice to have you back. should the definition of fully vaccinated be changed and now be limited to those who have been inoculated and also have
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received a booster? >> i think when people are asking without definition, what they're really asking is, is it really essential the i want to get the booster dose? the answer to that is absolutely yes. we know the two doses of pfizer, moderna, the one dose of johnson&johnson initially provide very good protection. that wanes over time. however, you can restore that excellent protection by getting an additional dose. this is not unique to the covid vaccine. you have to have a three-dose vaccine, polio is a four dose, tetanuss need every two years or flu vaccine you need to get an annual vaccine. we don't know at this point which category the covid vaccination, maybe it's a pre-dose vaccine. it doesn't matter, what matters is what we know. which is that every adult in america needs to go get an additional dose at this point if they're six months out or two months out of johnson&johnson. >> with respect to you'll that, i'm asking a practical question,
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my employer cnn has a vax mandate, a law firm, has a vax mandate. i had to show my vax card. i will eat at a restaurant likewise during this weekend. at what point does the definition of being fully vacc'ed in any of those contexts mean i not only had my two modernas, i also had my booster, which, by the way, i had last saturday. >> i'm glad you got your booster. i appreciate the question. i think that we should go that route of changing the definition sooner rather than later. that's because during this entire pandemic, the u.s. has been behind. we have been behind other countries. we've seen the predictions for what could come our way. we don't act until it's happened. well in this case, we've seen
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what's happened in israel, that they were experiencing a new surge, but they were able prevent that surge by getting everybody third doses. a lot of other countries, including israel are requiring for in order for people to be considered fully vaccinated in this case, they do need to get their booster. that's the direction the u.s. needs to move in. the reason, too, there has been so much confusion of the messaging of these boosters. so many people still believe the booster is a luxury. it's a nice to have rather than something that's essential. so changing the definition as you said i think will really make the point that we really need to get people that additional dose at this point. >> right. so, i am understanding i think what you are saying. i agree with it that we need to get there sooner than later, change the definition. the downside i think is that the unvacc'ed, the vax, i no longer say hesitant, because they're dug in. but i know that now they're going to say, oh my god, now they want me not only to have the two shots, then i'm supposed to get the booster. this never ends, maybe we lose all hope of ever bringing them over.
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what do you think? >> it's a fair point that one of the arguments that people say why they're remaining unvaccinated is they say, well, we don't know how many doses of the vaccine we need. but that's really not the right argument. i mean, we don't know because this virus hasn't been along, hasn't been around for that long. we're finding out as we go along. i don't think that at this point we need to cater our policies towards the unvaccinated. we need to do what it takes to protect the vaccinated and i think there are just a lot or people who are confused about whether they need that additional dose. and so changing the definition and saying that in order to be considered to have the initial protection, the full protection that you can cannot be like more than six months out from having whatever most repeat dose, i do think that that's helpful for boosting the overall population of immunity and helping us to see through this winter surge. >> dr. wen, thank you for all of
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that. happy thanksgiving to you. >> to you, too, michael. this is the first thanksgiving since covid vaccines have been going into arms. we can be thankful for that did you know tomorrow is the 400 anniversary of t-day. americans celebrate every year. i bet there is a lot we don't know about the holiday and a lot that may not be true. so we shall gobble up the real facts from a great historian who has them. we'll do that next. doug? [children laughing] sorry about that.'s uhh... you alright? [ding] never settle with power e*trade. it has powerful, easy-to-use tools to help you find opportunities, 24/7 support when you need answers, plus some of the lowest options in futures contract prices around. get e*trade and start trading today. ♪ i'm steven, i'm 52, and i'm a makeup artist.
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historian kenneth c. davis, author of the "don't know much about history" franchise, welcome back. what's abraham lincoln got to do with it? >> it was in 1863, michael and good evening and happy thanksgiving to you. 1863 that abraham lincoln signed what was the first this a series of presidential proclamations setting thanksgiving on the last thursday in november. that would change. this is the first in what is now an unbroken string. lincoln's proclamation coming in the midst of the civil war when there was very little to be happy about or to be thankful for is quite an extraordinary note that we should remember today. that even in the midst of very very disastrous situation, we can all be grateful. >> when i was a kid, my parents took my brother and me to plymouth rock in new england. i'll never forget it.
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should they instead have taken us to florida? >> well, there was a group of pilgrims who came to florida 50 years before the may flower sailed. they were french, and they landed just off of what is now jacksonville, and they set up camp there. the spanish didn't really appreciate them. the spanish of course being good catholics, these pilgrims being french protestants, so they sent a fleet over to wipe them out, and so the first pilgrims in america, people coming for religious freedom, and they probably had thanksgiving as well, ended up in a religion massacre, and that's an important piece of the history that we have to remember as well. how important religion has been as a motivating force throughout our history, and sometimes a very divisive and intolerant one. again, something to think about
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as we're being grateful on this thanksgiving. >> if we were really honoring the tradition in a strict sense, would we be eating lobster and shrimp tomorrow in addition to or in lieu of turkey and stuffing? >> well, governor william bradford gave us a pretty good picture of what they ate, which was probably, by the way, in october of 1621, not november. and there was a duck, geese and turkey, but wild turkey. they certainly would have had a lot more seafood. cod is what kept them alive. muscles, and eel. so if there's not eel on your table, you're not historically accurate. we could also add the venison, the 90 uninvited guests, wampanoag warriors, for the so-called pilgrims first thanksgiving, went out and killed five deer. and by the way you might spend a lot of time at the table tomorrow.
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they spent three days celebrating the first harvest mostly being grateful for the fact they had survived. one-half of the hundred passengers on the mayflower died in that first year. it was a bitter and difficult struggle and it's really a fascinating story, much more interesting than the mythic version we got back in grade school. >> i feel like the next thing you're going to tell me is that the native americans and pilgrims really didn't play touch football? >> they didn't play touch football, but we do know from governor bradford that there were races and wrestling, and the pilgrims also took out the muskets in a bit of a show of force to remind the natives that this is what they had, and that's an important reminder as well, that a few years after that first thanksgiving in 1621, the son of the chief who sat down with the pilgrims in 1621 was at war with them in what was one of the most brutal wars of the colonial era, called king
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phillips war. these are the pieces of the story we often leave out, but facts are stubborn things as john adams once said, and a great nation should not hide its history. we should understand the full story. facts really are what give us the truth, and the truth sets us free. >> amen. hey, as frustrating as things are today from political polarization, i guess it was worse in 1939 as i've learned from you because that year we couldn't even agree on what day was thanksgiving. kenneth c. davis, thank you so much, i appreciate you coming back. have a great day tomorrow. >> happy thanksgiving to you, michael, good night. >> and to you, good night. we'll be right back right after this.
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