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♪ good morning to viewers here in the united states and around the world. it is friday, december 3rd. i'm brianna keilar with john berman. i have nothing to hide. those are the words from alec baldwin in a raw and emotional first interview after a deadly shooting on his film "rust". >> baldwin tells abc news first he had no idea she was even shot. he recalled the moment when the gun went off. >> she was someone who was loved
by everyone who worked with her and admired. i'm sorry. admired by everybody who, um, who worked with her. the trigger wasn't -- i never pulled the trigger. >> you never pulled the trigger. >> no, no, no. . >> i would never point a gun at someone and point the trigger. that's the training i had. you never point at someone and pull the trigger. >> you're holding onto the handle. >> how good that. do you see that, do you see that yeah, that's good. i let go of the hammer, bang, the gun goes off. everyone is horrified. they're shocked. it's loud. they don't have their ear plugs
in. the gun was supposed to be empty. i was told i was handed an empty gun. cosmetic rounds. nothing with a charge, flash, nothing. she goes down. i thought to myself, did she faint? the notion that there was a live round in that gun did not dawn on me until probably 45 minutes to an hour later. at the end, she was laying there. she was there for a while. i was amazed at how long they didn't get her a car. they waited until a helicopter came. we were all glued to that process outside. when she finally left, i don't know how long she was there, 30
minutes, 40 minutes. they kept saying she was stable. nobody disbelieved there was a live round. you disbelieved this was going to be a fatal accident. >> you didn't know how serious it was. >> at the very end of my sheriff's office we regret to tell you she didn't make it she died. that's when i went in the parking lot and called my wife. >> baldwin made it very clear that he believes he did nothing wrong, telling george stephanopoulos he is desperate to find out how a live round found its way onto the set. >> i don't want to sound like i'm a victim. i mean, again, we have two clear victims here. . >> is this the worst thing that's ever happened to you some. >> yes. yeah. because i -- i think back and i think of what could i have done. >> your emotions are so clearly right there on the surface. you felt shock.
you felt anger. you felt sadness. do you feel guilty? >> no, no. i feel that there is -- someone is responsible for what happened, and i can't say who that is. but i know it's not me. >> you are not worried about being charged? >> i've been told by people who are in the know in terms of even inside the state that it's highly unlikely i would be charged with anything criminally. >> so two lawsuits now out against alec baldwin for members of the crew. one being from vetenoy ahead of lighting. this is how he addressed that. >> there are two people that filed civil suits so far. and one of them walked up to me outside the church probably within 15 or 20 minutes of the event itself and put their hand on me and said, you realize that you have no responsibility for what's happened here, don't you? >> is this serge?
>> no comment. >> serge, for example, this is the only thing i would say about someone specifically, he was her dear friend, a close friend of hers. yet he has chosen to follow his suit in advance of matthew's. there is a pool of the insurance money. there's a couple different policies. there is a pool of money that is available that is finite. >> thank you for joining us. did your clientele alec baldwin within 20 minutes after the shooting that he bore no responsibility for what happened? >> he certainly might have. in the time with the emotions running as they probably were, he might have said that. he's not a lawyer. he's a very nice man. he's compassion tphalt. he may well have said that. >> so what changed from the moment that he saw it actually
happen and his original reaction? how much money alec baldwin had? >> i'm not the most objective person since i'm his lawyer. just about everything was wrong with that baldwin interview. he may not be listening to the people who give him advice. i will walk him through that step by step in deposition. he takes no responsibility at all. he feels no guilt. he said he's not the victim but he sounded like it the whole time. he said i didn't pull the trigger. he showed a complete lack of use of firearms. i pulled the hammer back and i let it drop. i let the hammer drop, fired the bullet. but i take no responsibility. that's just absurd. this doesn't have to do with money, as has been said -- >> well, look, it does have to do with money. two issues. what did alec baldwin do and what did alec baldwin do to your
client. there's no question a gun that was in his hand went off and killed someone, but it wasn't your client. >>er some, of course. >> so what i'm trying to figure out at the moment when your client saw it, saw the whole thing happened, told alec baldwin he bore no responsibility, from that moment to now, what changed? >> it's -- a person who is a victim who suffers, and the suggestion that my client hasn't suggestion is absurd. it's a total lack of understanding for people that suffer emotional stress and post-traumatic stress syndrome. my client has suffered tremendously. for alec baldwin to say i find it strange that he filed suit before matthew hutchins is absurd. matthew hutchins is suffering in his own way and will do what's best for him. there is no basis for mr. baldwin to criticize mr.
svetnoy. he is exercising his legal rights. and to criticize him is not alec baldwin's place. >> how would your client feel if your client was to get money before the family of halyna hutchins? >> it's not about how he feels if he gets money before the hutchins family. matthew hutchins and his son have suffered unimaginable, devastating loss. i'm sure they're not ready to deal with a lawsuit right now, but that doesn't mean no one else should pursue their rights. my client has said from the beginning this is more about bringing awareness to the problem and trying to bring about change where these corporations put profits before safety in these movie productions over and over. my client, if the changes are made and awareness is brought, he would settle his case for no money whatsoever. >> how much does your client care about who put the bullet in the gun? >> like everybody, a tremendous
amount. i'm not saying all the fault is on alec baldwin. but for him to suggest no fault is on him is absurd. he should have checked that gun. he's the one who held it. he's the one who pointed it. he never should have pointed that gun at a human being. never. whether someone told him incident was cold or not. he bears responsibility. certainly whoever put a live round in that gun, whoever left the gun unattended and didn't follow the chain of custody of that gun may be more responsible. but he bears responsibility also. >> gary dordick, i appreciate you being with us. thank you so much. >> thank you, sir. government shutdown averted. both the house and senate passing a stopgap measure that will fund the government through mid-february. this came after party leaders resolved a republican standoff over president biden's vaccine mandate. sunlen serfaty is live for us on capitol hill. sunlen, what's the latest? >> reporter: the government will
stay open. lawmakers had until midnight tonight to broker a deal. they were able to do that before the deadline. late last night, the house and the senate passed the stopgap funding measure that will keep the government funded until february 18th. incident was not without tense moments. there was a handful of senate republicans who threatened to withhold their vote on the stopgap measure, potentially force a government shutdown over their separate objections, the federal government's vaccine mandate from the biden administration. now, ultimately senate leaders yesterday were able to broker a deal that would allow a separate vote on an amendment that would have defunded the vaccine mandate. but that ended up failing. but that paved the way for them to pass through the stopgap measure. this now heads to president biden's desk to his signature to keep the government open and funded. they will be here again in 11
weeks and they will address government funding in february. >> yeah. greatly averted a shutdown. funding a government in two and a half months chunks isn't the way to do it. we will be seeing a lot of you on this story. sunlen serfaty, thank you. why investigators are questioning school officials on what they knew before the deadly shooting. plus, germany is putting major restrictions on the unvaccinated. folks there can be banned from public life as the country faces a coronavirus surge. topless women, leather costumes, sex toys everywhere. the explosive claims from the house manager in the ghislaine maxwell trial. new details next.
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as the investigation unfolds in oakland county, michigan, authorities are questioning how much school officials knew in the hours leading up to the deadly shooting and why that information wasn't shared with law enforcement. additional evidence will show the shooting that claimed four lives could have been prevented. >> the information that will be announced tomorrow will also disclose that it probably could have been prevented. and that is unconscionable. so it's just not enough to charge this shooter. but we're also going to make sure that the person or the individuals that gave him access to that weapon and did so and not just in a negligentable way, far beyond negligence, are held
accountable. >> meanwhile, nearly 60 schools in michigan remain closed today after a rash of threatening calls that authorities say turned out to be hoaxes. oakland county sheriff's office issued a stern warning saying those responsible for the copy cat threats will be found and charged. joining me now scarlet lewis lost her 6-year-old son jesse during the 2012 sandy hook shooting. author of" from sandy hook to the world." stories from around the globe. she's the founder of the jesse lewis choose love movement. first off, i just want to know what you thought when you heard about this shooting. >> good morning, brianna. i had actually already been on a call with a mother in
connecticut whose two high schoolers were in lockdown for over an hour. and then received texts. and i thought that must have reached the news and then heard about michigan. i was absolutely devastated yet again. >> and, look, it's this horrible club that you and other parents are part of. you know, to understand what this is for these parents. you know, like in the case of sandy hook, there were clearly warning signs here, right? what do you think about learning that? >> there are almost always warning signs. and i say that every school shooting is 100% preventable. you know, that requires us to change the tired narrative that we've been perpetuating in our society. we really need to change our focus from the actual problem to
the root cause. and the root cause of these shootings is loneliness, isolation, disconnection, lack of emotional management and relationship skills. these are called essential life skills. we're not born with them. we have to learn them. and we learn them at home. but they absolutely have to be reinforced and practiced at schools. and we know that schools that prioritize practicing these essential life skills are the safest. >> yeah. and we're learning, right, and we still have a lot to learn about this particular individual and how those factors could have affected all of this. we do know, scarlet, as we just heard from the prosecutor, the parents could be facing charges here, right. the parents. because this was a weapon purchased by the father. you're all too familiar with the accessibility of weapons from a parent to a child being a factor
in a school shooting. what do you think about that possibility that the parents could be charged? >> are i can tell you that i was incredulous that there was no responsibility taken after sandy hook. there was no accountability. and i think that without those two, we're going to see school shootings continue. >>. >> i'm looking here of course at the date. we're coming up on the anniversary, unfortunately, of the sandy hook shooting. jesse would have been 13. i'm sure you think every day about what you miss. what do you want this nation to know about that loss? >> jesse's school bus comes by my house every single day to pick him up and drop him off. and of course every day i'm poignantly aware that he is not getting on that bus. and i just want everyone to know that and realize that we have
had 350 school shootings since the tragedy at sandy hook. so within the last nine years we have had 28 school shootings this year alone. it is our responsibility to keep our kids safe. and there are things that we can do. we need to change the narrative. we need to focus on getting these essential life skills into schools as a priority. we can reduce and prevent these school shootings. but we are going to have to take responsibility to do this, and it is a call to action to each and every one of us. my 6-year-old son actually stood up to the shooter that came into his first grade classroom and saved nine of his classmates's lives. we're going to have to find that courage within each one of us and change the narrative and focus on the root cause. and that is lack of these essential life skills. >> yeah.
scarlet, we shouldn't demand that courage of our children. it's amazing what jesse did. and it's amazing what you're doing. and i appreciate your courage and your insight. scarlet lewis, thank you so much. . >> thank you. >> i was at sandy hook by the night of that shooting. and i can't imagine being one of the parents. >> yeah. >> who has to watch every few months when there's another shooting like this one and how painful it must be. you know, she is turning her pain into action. >> yeah. look, i covered virginia tech. and it's the worst story i've ever covered. and i'm sick of covering these. it's so hard. i think it's so easy to become numb when you're watching it. and sometimes i think that's to protect ourselves. but, you know, these parents are
doing amazing work, but these lives, they can't be in vain. they can't. >> i wish there was something i could say to make this better. one thing i can promise you is you're going to have to do this again. >> i know. so the united states ramping up sequencing to fight coronavirus variants. how far along is the country? and millions of americans left in the dark as families struggle to pay utility bills. that report coming up. and kyrsten sinema getting candid about president biden's sweeping social safety net plan. >> schumer said he wants to build back better the broader bill before christmas break. are you prepared to vote yes when that comes to the floor? >> her response ahead.
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genome ski questions on coronavirus variants has been ramping up in america. u.s. health officials saying the country sequences tens of thousands each week. but 20 nations still outpace the u.s. jacqueline howard is with us now. we're realizing now just how important all of this sequencing is in order to track down a variant like omicron. >> reporter: that's right. it's very important. when you think about the state of sequencing in the united states, we have made progress in the number of coronavirus samples we sequence per week. so sequencing is done in commercial labs, public health labs. when you look at public health laboratories alone, we know between 15,000 and 20,000 specimens per week.
that's four times greater than it was a week ago. we are casting a wider net to identify variants. when you look at all labs, not just public health labs but all labs across the country, here's how many specimens are sequenced per week according to dr. rochelle walensky. have a listen. . >> we are now sequencing approximately 80,000 samples per week. about one in every seven pcr positive cases. that's more than any other country. >> reporter: so you see there, brianna, we have made progress in the number of samples sequenced. but when it comes to the speed where the time it takes to go from collecting a sample, testing someone, then sequencing to find a variant, that's where we have room for improvement. take a look at these numbers here, countries that have identified the omicron variant so far. you see at the bottom of the list, leading the pack is the
uk. it takes about 10 days to go from collecting a sample, testing for covid, sequencing for the variant. here in the united states, that whole process can take up to 28 days. so we have made strides. we have made progress. but there's still room for improvement. brianna. . >> yeah. that's like month-old news. we want to know it as soon as possible here. jacqueline, thanks for that. so dramatic developments overnight. germany imposing major restrictions for the unvaccinated. essentially banning them from public life. german leaders are considering plants to make vaccinations mandatory in the coming months. frederick pleitgen live in berlin with the latest. these are very strict measures, fred, that the government there thinks are necessary given the rise of cases. >> reporter: given the rise of cases and large parts of the german population remain unvaccinated, which is surprising to a lot of people
considering this country is led by scientist angela merkel. if you look at the german vaccination rate, it is a little less than 69% of the population that is vaccinated against covid-19. and if you look at the average seven day of daily infections, it's extremely high in this country and remains high. therefore, the german government and the german population, by the way, according to polls, has lost patience with people who continue to refuse to get vaccinated. those measures are going to be pretty strict. we are talking about theaters, movie theaters, indoor sports facilities, restaurants. pretty much everything. it is going to be difficult for people who so far have not been vaccinated and still don't want to get vaccinated. at the same time, the german government is putting together a big push to try and get more people vaccinated. they say they want to administer around 30 million jabs by the end of this year. the equivalent, by the way, in the u.s., would be about 120
million jabs in the span of a month. they say they want to get things going. any of those potential mandatory vaccinations the germans are talking about as well, we have an incoming new government here in germany. they want the parliament to vote for it. you could see mandatory vaccinations by february. >> one thing that's different than the united states, proof of previous infection can also get you into some of these establishments, correct? >> reporter: that is correct. when we talk about the unvaccinated getting locked out, you're only talking about people who have not been previously infected and haven't gotten the vaccine either. in germany, if you have had covid-19 then you count as vaccinated for half a year. what germany is saying, it's locking everybody out who does not have antibodies. you're absolutely right. that's right. that is a very important distinction. something that is checked in
establishments here. my son plays basketball. missed vaccination status is checked with a qr code so they know i have been fully vaccinated or i have recovered. >> i would not want to play against son of flight again in a basketball game. thanks so much for that. appreciate it. the pandemic has done so much damage on so many levels. many americans are struggling to keep the lights on. the utility bills are only going up as the temperatures go down. gabe cohen has more on this story. you see it in the bill. you see it more in some states than others. >> the utility bills are expected in some places to go up 30% this winter. most americans maybe are going to be feeling this. we are going to be feeling this. for millions of americans, this is just adding to severe utility insecurity they faced throughout the pandemic with debt piling up and in many cases power actually being cut.
michael and her kids are in the dark. she got a shutoff from her power company. she owes them $2,400, debt that has grown throughout covid, taking care of her daughter. they cut her power until she paid a portion of her debt. now they are threatening to do it again. in it's frightening. i don't want to be no where else but home. >> reporter: americans have been racking up utility debt during the pandemic. they owe close to $20 billion, up 67% from the average year. a study in massachusetts found 30% more families are now at least 90 days behind on their bill. early in the pandemic, at least 32 states issued emergency orders to prevent companies from cutting people's power. but nearly all have expired and shutoffs have surged. one study found close to a million american households this their power caught over a 12-month span over 17 states. >> we think the real number
should be 3.4 million households. >> is that more than the average year? . >> that is absolutely more than the average year. at least three times, if not more. . >> now, energy bills are skyrocketing, with heating costs expected to rise 30% this winter due to inflation and supply problems. to help, the biden administration is deploying covid relief funds and releasing 50 million barrels of oil from the strategic petroleum reserve, hoping to bring down prices. but it will take time. how does that increase impact you? >> it's stressful. >> she just paid her balance after getting a shutout notice over $179 of unpaid bills. . >> i've been shut off for less. i've been shut off for 23 cents. . >> most have rules for shutouts. they can follow through the cracks or at least accumulate debt. i think we will see another
tsunami of shutoffs. a family feels they are living in a house that's uninhabitable. >> she has been heating with propane tanks and living by candlelight. >> it humbles you and makes you appreciate what i didn't appreciate before. . >> the 49-year-old said she can't live here during the coldest weeks of winter. . >> why not move? . >> where? where? >> the american rescue plan passed in march more than doubled funding for the low income home energy assistance program. it helps families pay utility bills. due to a combination of factors, only 17% of eligible households actually receive benefits. what is the long-term fix? >> the long-term fix they need is money to make their homes energy efficient. >> low-income families, particularly black and brown communities, often pay more for
heat with homes older and less insulated. the program will get $3.5 billion to update 700,000 homes. . >> we would fill this up with insulation to make the home healthier, safer, and lower the energy bill. >> they weatherize close to 300 homes in the detroit area every year for families in need. the average cost, $7,600. >> will that pay for itself in the long run? >> absolutely. we see 20% reduction in the heating bill. >> what happens if your heating bill goes up this winter? >> it's a disaster. >> she said she just applied for assistance after getting her shutoff notice. she should know if she will get help or be left in the dark again. >> it's hard to think what's going to happen, how am i going to do this. >> there they are calling for a national moratorium to stop the
shutoffs. that never happened. they should protect a lot of families. one is the debt that they will be racking up in the months and how many of them will have their power cut as they decide between food on the table or lights in their home. >> yeah. you know what they will choose. with he saw from one of the women you spoke with. gabe, great report. thank you so much. >> coming up, house democrats have a retirement problem. there are 19 members jumping ship right before the midterms. plus, stacey abrams is running for governor in georgia again. will she be successful the second time around? we're going to ask her straight ahead. and see nothing, hear nothing, say nothing. the house manager in the ghislaine maxwell trial detailing how he handled epstein's properties filled with topless women and baskets full of sex toys. you're never responsible for unauthorized
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oregon defazio announced he is retiring. this is a very high number historically speaking and a key sign of what might happen in the midterms. joining me now is senior data reporter harry entin. what are we talking about in terms of numbers? >> you mentioned people leaving public life versus those running for higher office. i will look at those leaving public life. what do we see right now? among democrats this cycle, it's 11. republicans, just 4. go back four years ago at this point. it was the exact opposite. it was republicans, a lot more republicans retiring than democrats. i don't have to remind you that particular year going adios
amigos. >> even though you are not counting those, often people choose to run for higher office because they either, a, know they would lose because of redistricting or, b, don't want to be in the minority. they figure, hey, what the heck, i'm together to run for higher office. what do retirements tell us historically. >> look, there is definitely a correlation between retirements and what happens in the midterms. 8 out of 12 times, so more times than not, party with fewer retirements gain house seats. we were just talking about 2002 offset. that was one year. 2014 was another year. >> you want people to understand why this is is because people see the handwriting on the wall. what it is members see what might happen, fear they would go from the majority to the minority. they don't want to be in the
minority. so they get out particularly committee chairs. when you see defazio and yarmouth, they don't want to give up their seat unless they think they will not be chair. there are other signs. >> if it was just retirements that would be one thing. i lookic to see different pwrapl terse, different metrics hinting at the same thing. that gives us more confidence that it could be true. this is the choice for congress on december 2nd in the year before the midterms. look where we were in 2018. democrats had this huge nine-point lead. look where we are. republicans have a two-point lead. republicans leading on the generic ballot is very rare and they are doing so right now. . >> they almost never lead. the question is would you rather your house be democrat or republican. no names. >> right. >> what's the history. >> that's exactly the point.
when the opposition party leads, nonwhite house party they win or control since 1938. look at this. 10 out of 10 times. so if the opposition party, the republicans are leading at that point, historically speaking, even this early on, the generic congressional ballot is a very clear indicator that they will probably gain control. >> 10 out of 10 is always. >> yes. that does tend to be the case. historically speaking, a very clear indicator. . >> presidential approval. where does that figure in? >> wwii, if they lose four, they would stim maintain control. look at this. joe biden's approval is 42. in order to match up with the times where the presidential party does well, look at the approval ratings. 79, 60, 86.
joe biden's 42 is not near any of where these presidents were at this point in the cycle. >> again, historically speaking, what numbers are you looking at in terms of how many seats are gained or lost in a midterm? >> yeah, look, white house party loses five or morehouse seats since midterms 1870. i think if you add my age, your age, the camera man's age, we would not get to 1870. 34 out of 38 times when the white house party loses five seats or more. this is the type of history that democrats are going up against. it is just really, really tough to not see a major penalty against the president's party in all these metrics we have seen so far suggest we're heading right towards that. >> harry entin, thank you very much. >> thank you. an instruction manual on how to handle the topless women inside jeffrey epstein's home. what the house manager testified
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explosive testimony at the ghislaine maxwell sex trafficking trial. long time house manager of jeffrey epstein's florida estate read aloud from an instruction man yell given to him by maxwell saying remember you see nothing, hear nothing, say nothing except to answer a question directed at you. respect their privacy. kara scannell joins us now with that. wow. >> yeah. a big day of testimony yesterday. that was just one of the
directives that that house manager had testified to while he was on the stand for about four hours. he said that ghislaine maxwell made it clear that she was the lady of the house and issued these directives. another with instructions for when they answered the phone. in that case they were told, unless otherwise instructed, never disclose mr. especially teen's or maxwell's activities to anyone. if the caller is insistent you simply ask them to take a message, a time, a number where the caller can be reached. do not be bullied and do not show any reaction or impatience. he had seen many, many girls who were there, including two he thought were underage. one of whom testified this week under the pseudonym of jane. for instance, jane said she was chauffeured by a sweet latin american man.
and one of the first times she was at epstein's house she sat by the pool with maxwell and they were surrounded by other topless women. he testified whenever he was at the pool he said 75% of the time the women there were topless. he also said that he had chauffeured jane around, that he picked her up from her high school, had taken her to epstein's mansion. he also testified that he had driven her from her home to the airport up to the tarmac to board jeffrey epstein's jet, along with ms. maxwell and her small dog. and this also goes to one of the key charges in this case, whether maxwell was involved in the transportation of minors. he's putting her on the plane and saying he was directed by her. now, alessi said he never witnessed any of the alleged sexual abuse. he never saw any of the massages. but he said he was in charge of cleaning up afterwards. at one point he found a large sex toy which he said he had seen a handful of times.
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not been reviewed by a scientific journal yet. let's bring in dr. jonathan reiner from george washington university. south african scientists looking at the data in the cases they are seeing are saying there are a lot of people coming in with omicron who were previously infected. what's the significance of that, doctor? >> that previous infection doesn't protect that well against this variant. john, what we know about this variant with certainty, there are dozens of mutations to the virus. and some of these mutations change the shape of the virus or change how the virus presents itself to antibodies, either naturally occurring or antibody that are produced by vaccines. so it has a different appearance. at least from these initial
small reports out of south africa, it looks like the antibodies obtained naturally may not be enough. now, we also know that infection induced antibodies wane over time, the same as vaccine induced antibodies. so the combination of a changed appearance of the virus and waning amounts of antibodies may not be enough to protect. >> and, doctor, the white house says that one of the people in the u.s. who has the omicron variant says that he attended this anime convention in new york city. this was a huge convention. what should be done right now in terms of tracing and monitoring potential spread here? >> well, as almost every infection, people should be contact traced. thei