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controversial texas abortion case, the law in that state that was passed effectively banning abortions in texas. the case could have major implications for roe v. wade for abortion rights in the country as a whole. if that opinion comes in, we'll bring it to you. we are staying on top of this other story this morning. the consumer price index for november showing another jump in inflation. as you can see there, inflation spiked to 6.8% last month. that is the highest it's been in nearly four decades, obviously concerning for so many americans. the white house, though, urging folks not to panic. we do want to bring in now jeffrey toobin. i'm learning we have an opinion from the supreme court. what more do we know about what this opinion is for? >> reporter: okay. this is the big texas abortion case. this is the case about the law
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in texas that essentially allowed individuals anywhere in the country to sue abortion providers if they provide an abortion to a woman after the sixth week of pregnancy, which is, of course, very early in a pregnancy, before many women know they're even pregnant. the decisions are being issued online these days because of the pandemic. they're not being read by the justices as they usually are. and just to be honest with our viewers, i don't know what the decision is yet because i haven't read it. it's just out now, and we're going to take some time and read it and get the decision, and then we'll tell people what it is. >> jeffrey, tell us about the potential implications here, because it gets to both roe v. wade but also the particular way that this law was written. >> reporter: right. the texas case is a very unusual
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case because it is sort of about abortion but it's also about the very odd procedure that texas created, which was an attempt to insulate the law from judicial review. and it has been successful so far. this law went into effect on september 1st. the supreme court very controversially allowed it to into effect. and abortion has been effectively illegal in texas for the past three months. the question now is will the justices reject the procedure or will they address the merits of this abortion ban, which is in clear contradiction to roe v. wade. so that's what -- that's the issue in this case, and we will know momentarily how the supreme court decided.
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>> and the concern is on both fronts there, both on the legal front, as you point out, because of the way that this was structured, right, that this is not about going after state officials, this is solely about the providers, private citizens can go after an abortion provider, someone who helps a woman. there's also the part of this law, right, where there is this six-weeks part, but also that there's no exception, jeffrey, for rape or incest. and that is is so important as well. >> correct. >> that has stood out far number of people. >> no question. this is, if it stands, the most restrictive abortion law in the country, and that's -- and that's obviously very significant. in the oral argument of this case, the court seemed most concerned about this strange procedure where anyone in the united states could sue people in texas to stop the law, so it's very likely given the way
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the supreme court addresses issues, they're likely to address that procedural issue before they get to the abortion law. just to refresh everyone's memory, there's also the mississippi abortion case, which was argued two weeks ago. that's a separate case with many of the same issues at stake. >> okay. stand by, jeffrey toobin. i want to go to jessica schneider covering this decision from the supreme court. it's early, but you've been reading through. what do we know? >> reporter: a bit of a mixed outcome here, jim and erica. abortion providers can move forward with their lawsuit to attempt to block this law. on the flipside, though, the supreme court has not blocked the law in the meantime while their challenge goes forward. so today marks the 100th day that this law, sb-8, has been in effect, effectively shutting down abortion clinics in the state. it turns out, according to the supreme court this morning, that
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effective shutdown will continue. however, the abortion providers will be able to challenge this law, because, remember, that was the issue in this case. because of the unique structure of this law where texas effectively gave that enforcement power to private citizens to bring lawsuits to enforce this law as opposed to state officials enforcing the law, that was a runaround of how people could challenge that. that was the issue here -- can people even challenge this law? the supreme court saying yes. the supreme court now saying abortion providers can move forward with their lawsuit against certain state officials. however, in the meantime, the law will continue. so this law will still be on the books for however long it takes this challenge to proceed, however it appears now that this challenge can move forward, these abortion providers would then go to the district court judge in texas. this district court judge previously ruled in their favor and blocked the law. he called that section b-8 a law
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for flagrantly unconstitutional. so presumably these abortion providers will act quickly to go to the district court in texas. the texas judge would then also act quickly. for now, this law is still on the books, still blocking abortions once a fetal heart bate is detected around six weeks. this has really thrown the state of abortion in texas into disarray. we've heard stories, obviously abortion clinics effectively shutting down there. we've heard stories from abortion clinics in neighboring states, saying how they're overwhelmed because women from texas are coming to their clinics. and women have been having to travel hundreds of miles, paying hundreds or thousands of dollars to get abortions while the state of texas is no longer offering them. so, again, to recap, a bit of a mixed outcome here. the law remains in effect. the supreme court did not block it. however, they did give abortion providers a path to challenge this law, meaning a lower court judge could block it again soon.
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>> jessica, thank you. stay with us. jeffrey toobin still with us. when we look at this mixed back, joan, what should we really be reading from that? there was so much scrutiny on the decisions from this court. >> we now see why it took them so long to deliver this. these arguments were held on november 1st. during those oral arguments, it looked like it could be a 6-3 court ready to say the way texas had tried to shield itself from any kind of lawsuit in this case was invalid, but they took obviously, you know, more than 3 1/2 months now from when the law first took effect, and two months plus since the oral arguments. and i think we see why. we've got a splintered vote, 8-1, as jessica said, allowing the providers to at least sue some state officials here, the judges, but not others. and we have chief justice john
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roberts breaking off with the liberals, complaining about, you know, other defendants who should be able to be sued here. then you have the three remaining liberals -- sotomayor, stephen breyer and elena ke keagen -- talking about how the right to abortion in texas has essentially not been in effect since september 1st. also, this is all a prelude to the real main event the justices are considering, e. that's that mississippi case that would really undercut roe v. wade nation wild, not just in texas. we won't see that ruling till june, but we see right now a glimpse of what is coming. >> it shows you certainly with that 5-4 decision on letting it stand in the meantime, that the trump appointees made a difference. jeffrey toobin, how does this proceed from here? the fact is by letting this law stand already, abortion has in effect already been outlawed in
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texas. roe v. wade in effect has not stood in texas for a number of months now. and that -- people have had to leave the state to have these procedures. they do allow these challenges. how long does that work its way through the court, in effect, gimping us a sense of how much longer at a minimum this law will stand there? >> reporter: well, i imagine the abortion providers will run back to the district court, which already once has tried to enjoin the operation of this law. that was overruled by the 5th circuit, which allowed the law to go into effect and the supreme court then allowed the law to go into effect. but i do think it's really worth pausing now to recognize that for the second time in several months the majority of the supreme court has said it is okay that texas has banned
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abortion. and i think that's a really sobering message for the country, that, you know, this is a constitutional right that has been recognized since 1973, since roe v. wade, and the supreme court has said now twice that it's okay for texas to take away this right from women. and i think that is a very clear message of where they're heading on the mississippi case. but, you know, this is a big change in american law, and, you know, donald trump's appointees have had the impact that he and his supporters have wanted. >> it's also interesting to know that what we have heard from a number of nominees, right, they'll look to precedent, we're not going to mess with things too much. you look at this constitutional right that's been suspended for women in the state of texas.
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as we're waiting for mississippi, that decision not until june, that opinion. what does it mean, jeff, for other constitutionally, presumed to be constitutionally guaranteed rights in the united states? >> it means things are up for grabs. you know, this is a very different court than even the one that greeted donald trump when he was elected in 2016. the fact that anthony kennedy is gone, the fact that ruth bader ginsburg is gone, and replaced by very strong conservatives means that a lot is changing very quickly. you know, the supreme court may yet address affirmative action. the conservatives have wanted to end affirmative action. ke conservatives have wanted to expand the understanding of the 2 amendment to ban most forms of gun control.
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that's very much in front of the court this year. abortion, as we said. these are all issues where the supreme court appears to be making radical changes in what our understanding of the constitution means. as john mccain always liked to say, elections have consequences, and the election of donald trump had a very big consequence on the supreme court. >> can i just add something about the personnel who wrote this opinion? for the last couple decades, the liberals have controlled abortion rights decisions. they've been written by stephen breyer and even the most recent one was really controlled in 2020 by chief justice john roberts and he sided with the lib rams in an earlier part of this case. look who wrote the main opinion today. it was neil gorsuch, president trump's first appointee.
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chief justice john roberts split off for part of this ruling with the liberals. as i've said, chief justice john roberts has always been an opponent of abortion rights. he is not someone you think of as trying to save the day for reproductive rights in america. but this just showings how far this court has turned to the right, that he is now aligning with the more liberal justices. and i think that it shows our new era of reproductive rights and who will actually be in control. >> let me ask you this, then, jeffrey. now the providers have standing to challenge some state officials. you expect them to challenge. and the lower court has telegraphed perhaps how they might stand on this. but then i assume l that would then be appealed to the supreme court. so do we expect another supreme court decision on this particular texas law beyond what it has to do with the mississippi case? >> well, i think the order in which this is likely to proceed
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is this will go back to the district court in texas. i think the district court in texas will say what it said before, which is, look, as far as i know, roe v. wade is still the law of the land. roe v. wade has not been fo formally overturned. so i am going to enjoin the law. that will be enjoined pending the resolution of the mississippi case, which is also a dramatic restriction of abortion rights, not as restrictive as texas. it is a 15-week ban as opposed to a six-week ban, but that decision will be coming, you know, certainly by the end of june. and that's when we'll really know what the state of abortion righ rights are in america. the texas case has been very much. tied up with this strange procedure which i think the
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supreme court has now by and large sorted out. i mean, now it is clear that texas -- that the abortion providers can sue the state of texas to stop this law. but the real focus now should be on this mississippi case because that's really when the supreme court is going to address the substance of whether women still have the right to choose abortion in america. >> to your point, there are a whole host of cases. this court has very different view than previous courts on and may impact people's lives in a number of dimensions. jeffrey toobin, joan biskupic, sn jessica schneider, thank you. up next, we will speak with the white house economic adviser, heather boucher, this as the administration reacts to today's report showing inflation now in this country at 39-year high.
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the other major story we're following, the consumer price index shows another jump in inflation. inflation spiked 6.8% over the last 12 months, the highest it's been in nearly four deck decade. the message from the white house so far has been, don't panic. for more on this report, i'm joined by a member of the white house council of economic advisers, heather boucher. good to have you here. >> good morning, jim. >> these numbers are high, going back four decades, and they hurt
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people in the pocketbook when they go to the grocery, when they're buying presents for christmas. what is the administration doing today to blunt the impact of rising prices? >> well, this is an issue that's of course very important to the president and the administration. getting the economy back on track has been job one, and the president has always believed this was about making sure people had jobs as well as making sure people could afford the things that they need for their everyday lives. so, you know, what we saw this month was that inflation did tick up. it went up less than it did last month, but it was about what expectations were. and of course that creates hardships for families. but we also see some positive signs in the future. so you asked what the president has been doing. you know, one of the things he's been focused on is making sure that our supply chains, we get out the kinks in those so they work effectively, so that goods are on the shelves, right. and what we've seen particularly, of course, is that retail gas prices are coming
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down, and that is because the president took action, made sure that the strategic petroleum reserve was made available to pull prices down. you've seen that flowing through wholesale price, and that will appear in retail gas prices moving forward. that's not reflected in this month's report, but i want to make sure we understand that the president is focused on that. >> okay. and of course the big factor about a warmer than expected winter also impacting energy prices. you know that the administration already had an issue with certain democratic votes on the build back better plan, senator joe manchin, kyrsten sinema, mentioning inflation a factor in that decision. is the president concerned he's lost their votes on passing build back better, at least before christmas? >> here's the thing. the crux of the build back better agenda is about making sure that families can afford what they need, that we support our economy for the long term. so, i mean, i think president, you know, continues to believe that this is the most important
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economic policy that the senate needs to take action on. you know, what build back better will do is make child care affordable, pre-k, help families with home care needs and costs across the kinds of services they really need to make ends meet. so over the long term, that's one of the most effective things we can do. >> the question, though -- >> but economists agree it will not be inflationary in the short term because it's not a big drop of money that will come down immediately. it's about shoring up our economy for the long term. >> explain that to folks at home. more than a trillion dollars, and some of it is -- and you can make the argument it's necessary, right, i mean, the tax cuts, the child tax credit, for instance, but that is money flowing into what is already a very hot economy with other pressures, as well, including supply chain. how logically does that additional money not contribute to inflation? >> here's the thing.
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the bull of course the package is focused on addressing these longer-term needs, the needs that were here before the pandemic and continue to stress families in terms of their base ibs and their costs. so bringing down the coasts for families is very, very important. there are some pieces that will ensure that families continue to get the benefits that they so desperately need so that that additional funding from the child tax credit for those families with children that are struggling to afford the high costs of gas and food and child care, that is money in those families' pockets that they need at this particular moment. the bulk of the legislation is focused on shoring up the economy for the long term. >> cnn polled which averages out approving polling, shows president biden's job approval sticking in the low 40s. the latest figures, approve 44%, disapprove 51%. this has been a marked, consistent, and steady decline from earlier in the year. i wonder in the white house, the
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president, you, are you concerned that the american people, that voters don't approve of his approach, whether it be on inflation or build back better, that there's a disconnect here? it's showing up in the numbers. >> the disconnect shows in the numbers in a variety of ways, because we also see that people really do value and want and support the build back better agenda. so they do want to make sure that child care is affordable. >> pieces of it. >> there's lot in there that families do want and need. this has been a really tough time for the american people, for people around the world. we're trying to recover from this historic pandemic. and, you know, while we have seen enormous progress in the economy, you know, the unemployment rate right now is 4.2%, forecasters this time last year thought it would take us another two years to get to that rate. there are millions of people at work right now who wouldn't be otherwise. but these costs affect all families. so, you know, we're seeing this
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economy really trying to break through this. but, you know, i do believe that when i look at the polling numbers, that people do see that these things we are doing are important to their families and to their communities. >> let me ask you this. the president has downplayed supply issues saying that store shelves are full in place where is it said they wouldn't be full. the fact is the experience of many consumers is many things they're looking for, they get closer to christmas, are hard to find. and i wonder, do you believe the white house, that the president is aware enough about how this is impacting families? >> the president has been focused on supply chain since the campaign, right. we saw during the pandemic that there were not enough pandemic-related goods on shelves then. and the president, before he became president, said this is an important issue. we've been relying on these global supply chains where different parts of things are made in different countries. it's really complicated. when a pandemic happens, we need to make sure that people have
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that protected gear. we need to make sure things are available. he was ahead of the curve on this one and it's ban focal point of the administration from day one. there are lengthy reports you can read on all the work the administration has done along the supply chains and alongside these executive actions of the president. he's made sure that the ports on the west coast could have those goods flowing through them. he asked the private sector to address the challenges they're having managing their own supply chains. this is a matter of business, and the president has been prescient enough to say this is an issue that government needs to pay attention to and support the american economy for. >> the test will be if people see what they want to buy and can frankly afford it. heather boucher, than for joining us this morning. >> thank you. still to come, covid very clearly resurging in a number of areas, further exhausting health care workers who have been on the front lines of this fight for nearly two years.
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washington national cathedral. many former presidents and vice presidents and current gathering. 27-year veteran of the senate who died sunday at the age of 98. he'd been treated for advanced lung cancer. >> president biden remembering dole as a, quote, giant of our history. you can see elizabeth dole there. cnn's suzanne malveaux is with us as well as mrs. dole makes her way in. suzanne, a number of well-known names will be paying their respects today. >> reporter: well, it really is a mosaic of people who will be inside the church and already gathering here, and it gives the breadth and depth of bob dole's life in terms of who has gathered here -- childhood friends, wounded warriors. i saw a woman in a wheelchair who got out of her car and
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wheeled up a ramp on the sidewalk to the church just earlier. that is the work of bob dole. as you know, the american disabilities act, that was his work that enabled that woman to pay tribute to him today here at the national cathedral. and you are seeing the -- really the pomp, the circumstance, and all of the pageantry that goes with these beautiful ceremonies here at the national cathedral. let's listen in. >> halt!
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>> present, arms !
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>> forward, march!
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>> ready, step. ready, still. ready, still. ready, still. center face. >> the congregation may stand as you are able. with faith in jesus christ, we receive the body of our brother, robert joseph dole, for burial. let us pray with confidence to god, the giver of life, that he
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will raise him to perfection in the company of saints. deliver your servant, bob, lord christ, from all evil, and set him free from every bond that he may rest with all your saints in the eternal habitations, where, with the father and the holy spirit, you live and reign, one god, forever and ever, amen. >> let us also pray for all who mourn, that they may cast their care on god and know the consolation of his love. almighty god, look with pity upon the sorrows of your servants for whom we pray. remember them, lord, in mercy,
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nourish them in patience, comfort them with a sense of your goodness, lift up your countenance upon them, and give them peace, through jesus christ our lord, amen . >> ready, still. ready, still. ready, still. ready, still. ready, still. ready, still. ready, still. ready, still. forward, march .
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the steps of the washington national cathedral, the casket carrying the late senator robert dole has arrived there. there the late senator's widow, elizabeth dole, former senator herself, and daughter, robin, behind her. we should notes corting senator bole is general mark mill lie, the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, a measure of the honor aforded to the late senator robert dole. we saw a brief prayer and invocation on the stairs of the cathedral, and there is the interior there where so many, erica, so many lines of government, the senate, former military commanders, presidents have been laid to rest. >> and today it will be senator
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bob dole who will be honored. see the former vice president there, mike pence. suzanne malveaux is with us. suzanne, this funeral, this moment, will also mark a lot of what we've talked about blome in the last several day, and that is his push to work across the aisle, his friendships across the aisle. >> reporter: that's right, erica. this is a very special place for senator bob dole, the national cathedral. you might recall that he and elizabeth dole got married here at the national cathedral nearly 46 years ago. this is also where his running mate, gerald ford, was eulogized, and so it is a special place for someone of his stature. but also there are many people inside who make up this audience, and it is an audience of childhood friends, of wounded warriors, and of those giants, of course, that you mentioned,
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those presidents and the pageantry and all of those who were also a part of his life. and he made it a part of his life to reach across the aisle. some of the speakers we'll see -- we're expecting the president, president biden, and first lady to arrive momentarily. but also who will be speaking is going to be the former president bill clinton, his once rival back in 1996 when he lost that election to him and famously said, when he was getting the presidential medal of freedom, a year after, that he really was hoping for a different kind of medal, the keys to the white house, and that it was the first time when he mentioned in his concession speech, he had no place to go, using that typical wry bob dole humor that he was so well-known for. but as you look and see this list of people who will be making tributes, paying tribute to him, it is a bipartisan list. it is republican, it is
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democrat. those old colleagues and former friends, senator pat roberts from kansas, who recently retired after 40 years, bob dole mentored him. they worked very closely together in congress. but also senator tom daschle, the former senate majority leader on the democratic side. daschle was one of those people that he formed a bipartisan policy group with later in life to make sure that that message was brought forth and that that was so important to him. he really said it was the least that democrats and republicans could do, put their partisanship aside and to serve their country. we saw that in his lifetime over and over as he was a champion of social security, of civil rights, of voting rights, and many other pieces of legislation that he worked with those liberal giants, kennedy and moynihan, and many of those to
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do the best for the country. >> general milley, who we noted is here as well, chairman of the joint chiefs, who was escorting the late senator's widow and the former senator herself, elizabeth dole, we should note he was the commanding general of the 10th mountain division at one point in his career, notable because bob dole served in the 10th mountain division as a second lieutenant during world war ii. of course when he was injured horribly in 1949 and it took many years for him to recover from those injuries. seated close to the front row, former democratic president bill clinton along side former republican vice president, the most recent one, mike pence. suzanne, the bipartisan support and respect that the late senator carried. >> reporter: in addition to vice president pence, you also have
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former vice president cheney, who is expected to be in the audience as well, really a nod to the close friendship and the legislation and many of the years they spent together on capitol hill, getting that type of -- you know, the hard work that they wanted to get done. i had an opportunity to speak with dole back in 2006 after gerald ford passed, and he said it was one of the greatest things that he and gerald ford wanted to accomplish in their legacy was to work with those who they did not necessarily agree to come up with the compromises necessary for the american people. >> the ceremony there about to begin inside the beautiful, breathtaking washington national cathedral. suzanne malveaux, thanks so much. to all of you, please stay with us. we are going to take a quick break here. ahead, our cnn special live coverage of the funeral of the late senator bob dole continues. stay with us.
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around the world. i'm wolf blitzer in washington. washington says good-bye to the stalwart of the u.s. senate and a great american patriot. we expect to hear a very moving tribute in the coming minutes from president biden, the president, dole's colleague in the senate where dole spent a quarter of a century-plus. he was the senate majority leader, the republican vice presidential nominee in 1976, and then the republican presidential nominee a full two decades later back in 1996. he rose to those heights of washington power from very, very humble beginnings in kansas, a child of the great depression, a young soldier who came back from europe with severe injuries he would battle for the rest of his life. bob dole was a conservative, but one willing to work across the aisle and forge compromise in very, very difficult moments.
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the lineup today reflects his place as a washington deal maker. we're about to hear major tributes from his former colleagues in the u.s. senate including pat roberts and tom daschle. we'll also hear directly from senator dole's daughter, robin. cnn's suzanne malveaux is at the washington national cathedral for us right now. suzanne, it's a full house of invited guests. set the scene. >> reporter: wolf, it's a beautiful mosaic of those inside. you have presidents and politicians, wounded warriors, childhood friends, and of course family. and you will hear about bob dole as the war hero, as the statesman, as the deal maker. but you will also hear about him as a father as well. one of the speakers i'd like to highlight is his daughter, his single child, robin dole, who will be speaking. she has always dearly valued her privacy and her private life,
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but she will be one of those speakers following the president and those two senators, colleagues you mentioned previously. and we will get a sense of what bob dole was like as a father. she was just 6 years old when they moved here to washington. it was early in his political career. and she talks about some of those moving stories as a child. there were others who handed her to her father because he was not able to pick her up with his two hands because of his injury in the war, and how as she was young and got older that she would button up his top button and he taught her how to play table tennis and to drive, and that later in life he took her to the place in italy where he had been wounded in world war ii, took her to that special place when she was just a teenager. and when he was a young senator, he knew that his daughter was a beatles fan, and he called up, made a call to the british embassy seeing if the beatles
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could play at her high school. and they said, well, no, sir, senator, they're busy. and so he loved to do those special things for his daughter. and she will be just one of a few who will give those type of stories and memorable occasions here today inside of the cathedral. wolf? >> it will be very powerful, very moving, indeed. suzanne, stand by. john king, you and i spent years covering bob dole. we got to know him, truly amazing not only politician but a great american. >> i was looking through my office today to find this, a keepsake. this was my pass, my last campaign before i switched from print to television. respect and strength. bob dole kept running because he often thought he didn't get the respect he deserved in the republican party. ronald reagan, the bushes beat him. he said i'm doing the deals
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every day, i'm in the trenches. i should get respect for the work. i shouldn't need money or to be an actor. he did win the nomination in 1996. being the head of the republican party was the respect he thought he earned and deserved, strength, what suzanne was touching on. he was supposed to die on that hill in italy and he knew that. he could not put on his own shirt or tie his own tie. he understood struggle and so quietly, worked on the americans with disabilities act, helping people struggle through life. that defined him. he had this remarkable personal resilience. he was in pain about every second of every day of his public life. he didn't want you to see it. when someone didn't know, back slapped him, he'd turn and grimace and pull himself together as quickly as possible and turn back. just a remarkable example of resilience and strength. >> the trib units are going to be amazing.
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we are already seeing mike pence, dick cheney, bill clinton. they're all there, gloria. and so many others who have come to pay their respects. i remember an interview you did with bob dole in recent years that was so moving. >> it was moving because i was doing a documentary on people who were almost president, who made it to the final two, and what that felt like to lose in front of the world. there's nothing like it. i met him. he was severely disabled. he said it really hurts, and he talked about the races as if they were yesterday. he said, you know, bill clinton beat me, but he beat me fair and square, and i had been advised to go out there and be the hatch etdman against bill clinton for the republican party, and he ree fused to do it. one other thing, he gave up his senate seat when he ran, so he didn't have anything to come
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home to like john kerry could go back to the senate. so for him, it was deciding what he was going to do next, and we all know that towards the end of his life, the world war ii memorial became his big cause. and i asked him, is that going to be your legacy? because of course he's still such a legislator that we don't see anymore. he said, no, it will be the p.s. to my legacy, because my legacy is the americans for disabilities act. my legacy is saving social security with pat moynihan in 1983. those are the things i'm proud of. and this is now. >> it's interesting, jamie, because in contrast to what we see with a lot of politicians today, he would often say to me and i'm sure he aid to you because you reported on him for many years as well, he would often say yes, i'm a conservative, i'm a republican, but i'm an american first and i'm willing to make deals whether with tip o'neill or other democrats to get things
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done. >> or ted kennedy as an example. we have seen former president bush 41 pass, john mccain pass, colin powell pass, bob dole at 98. we say each time that it is the end of a generation and an era. it truly is. one thing i would like to say about senator dole is to talk about his sense of humor, which -- john's laughing -- which could be very funny and very sharp. and when he lost, one thing he did after he lost that race, was he started doing advertisements, commercials. he became beloved by madison avenue. gloria can talk about one commercial. but i think it was just a couple of weeks after he lost, he did a commercial for air france, a
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print ad that said, well, it's not air force one. >> he did have a great sense of humor. you spent a lot of time watching him unfold over the years and really speak out bluntly to the point that he was a real, real spokesman for so many important causes. >> i think that's right. i met him when i was a page for senator strom thurmond. their office said, listen, you can meet any senator you want to meet, and i of course wanted to meet bob dole, somebody who i watched as a political junkie in south carolina. john talks about his strength and resilience. there was also a sense of humanity to him. you could see that through the television. he was very plain spoken in the way he talked about politics, terms i could understand as a young political junkie. to see him grow through years running for president and winning the nomination in 1996,


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