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in so many cases is both bad management and dangerous for the city of san francisco. - we are for criminal justice reform. chesa's not it. recall chesa boudin now. this is gps, the global public square. welcome to all of you if the use and around the world. i'm fareed zakaria coming to you live from new york. today on the program, russia, china, iran, president biden's biggest foreign policy headaches are only getting bigger. >> democracy needs champions. >> putin puts forth red lines on ukraine. beijing reacts angrily to
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america's diplomatic boycott of the olympics. and washington tehran far from the deal. i will talk to anna applebom about it all. then, merkel's era ended with a song and now the schultz era has begun. what to expect from europe's most richest and powerful nation? i'll ask an expert. also, syria descends into a narco state as "the new york times" reports its top export now is illegal amphetamines. i will talk to one of the reporters about that harrowing story. finally, does the nobel peace prize need a rethink?
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i'll explore. first, here's "my take." in america we tend to listen with rapt attention to the people who succeeded in the private sector. if they made billions, we think surely they must have profound insights into the world. and when the person speaking is obviously brilliant, this adds to our veneration. so when someone as staggeringly rich and staggeringly as intelligent as elon musk talks, people listen. what came out of elon musk's mouth this week was ill-informed information about biden's spending plan. he said it would be better if the bill doesn't pass because our spending is so far in excess of revenue, it doesn't make sense. he didn't want any of his himself or company's flagship tls -- >> i'm literally saying get rid
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of all subsidies. >> some of this might be sour grapz. tesla outgrew the federal government's tax credit on electronic vehicles a long time ago. the federal government provides a $7,500 tax credit for electronic vehicles but they expire once the manufacturer has sold 200,000 of them, a mark tesla crossed in 2018. in addition, the biden bill adds $4,500 more in credits per car if the manufacturer uses unionized labor and tesla does not. as for charging stations, one of tesla's key advantages is it already owns and operates thousands of them. federal subsidies in the infrastructure bill that recently passed would simply erode that advantage by building new ones for all electric cars. it is bizarre and ironic that elon musk should be the tech billionaire who solves president biden's spending. three of musk's endeavor, tesla,
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spacex and solar city would probably not even exist if not for federal support. tesla owners, like me, by the way, have for many years received general tax incentives and credits from the federal and state governments. in 2010 after a global recession, when tesla was the fraction of the size it is now, the company got a $465 million loan from the department of energy, which gave it a desperately needed shot in the arm. the state of nevada gave tesla a $1.25 billion tax incentive package to build a battery factory there. solar city benefited from all kinds of subsidies and tax credits that incentivized the production and installation of solar panels. >> and liftoff. >> and spacex's largest customers, of course, are federal government agencies from nasa to the department of defense. musk defends himself by saying he's in favor of getting rid of all subsidies because he wants those for oil and gas eliminated
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as well. oil and gas subsidies should be pared back but there are not as many as people seem to think. a 2019 study found in fiscal year 2016 the renewable energy industry received almost half of all federal energy subsidies while generating just only 1/8 of the energy produced in the united states. this is as it should be, green energy is the future after all. let's be clear, if all subsidies were eliminated, it is green energy that would suffer the most. musk's comments on the budget were also disappointing. they seemed to parrot conventional wisdom about budget deficits that has not been vindicated by evidence. over the past 30 years, governments like america and japan have been able to run massive deficits and yet interest rates have overall trended way down. even thoday rates remain low despite the surge in inflation.
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does the market understand something we don't? infrastructure spending is essential and there's really no serious argument against it when the cost of borrowing for the federal government is essentially zero. musk admitted that america needs be better airports and roads and better mechanisms to ease traffic in cities but he seems to allow for the mechanism that's would tackle these problems. the government's investment in green energy is very similar what it did in the 1950s with computer chips, paying much more for a new technology so the price could later come down for everyone. it very manibles the investments governments made in the 1960s to dep arpa net, the first rough development of the internet and later the global positioning system. these policies, incidentally, created the digital infrastructure which made possible companies like paypal, the original source of elon musk's billions. go to for a link
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to my "washington post" column this week. and let's get started. the g7 foreign ministers met today in liverpool and issued a statement condemning russia's military buildup and aggressive rhetoric towards ukraine. iran and china were also atop of the agenda. the group of seven, comprised of the uk, u.s., japan, germany, france and italy. our staff writer from the atlantic and pulitzer prize-winning historians who latest book is "twilight of democracy" and ian is the founder of the consultant group. anne, this is a part of america you know very, very well. your book about russia "the
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gulag" won the pulitzer prize. what is vladimir putin up to? does he intend to invade ukraine? and if not, what's the game plan? >> so sadly, i don't have any profound insight into putin's brain and i cannot predict what will happen. if you look at the situation rationally, a russian invasion of ukraine would be insane. putin my get to kiev quickly but then what? he would occupy a country that doesn't want to be occupied indefinitely, he would live with a guerrilla war and violence for many years. i talked to several people in russia who said it won't even be popular in russia. so it's not clear what his motivation would be. on the other hand we know putin, particularly over the last couple of years thanks to the coronavirus, is increasingly cut off from people and advisers. he lives surrounded by security guards. he may well have it in his head now he has some kind of
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historical role to re-create the soviet union or re-create some kind of greater vision of russia and he has been saying for many, many years, over and over and over again, he does not believe ukraine is a country as recently as last summer when he issued a kind of essay to that effect and had it sent to every russian soldier. the best guest that most people have now is this is perhaps an experiment where he might eventually play the invasion card but right now what he seems to want is attention. he wants to build up his international status, which he has less and less of. he may have wanted to interrupt biden's democracy summit, which is also this week, by creating an international crisis. he may seek to use the threat of violence to demand things from the united states and from europe. he's already started doing so. but as i said, there's a fundamentally, you know, unknown element here, which is just how narcissistic is putin, just how central does he believe himself
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to be to his country's imaginary future as a super power once again, and, therefore, will he do something that on the face of it makes no sense? >> ian, how does all of this play drk work in the context of a europe that desperately needs russian gas? gas prices have gone up enormously and putin made explicitly the connection between him being cooperative on the gas front and, you know, expecting europe to relax sanctions, be more understanding about russia's security interests in ukraine. >> that's right, fareed. russia is in a stronger geopolitical position vis-a-vis europe right now. winter is coming and there's difficulty in terms of supply of gas and prices have gone up, just as they have in the united states. the nord stream 2 pipeline has been completed, allowing russia
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to deliver gas to europe and bypass ukraine but it's not yet operational. and angela merkel, the strongest person to orchestrate a common european/united states response against the russians are ukraine is now ground, now replaced by olaf schultz. so the timing if putin wants to escalate and see what kind of engagement he can get from the americans and europeans, see if he can push them back in terms of their commitments of nato's supporting ukraine, even though ukraine isn't a member, it absolutely makes sense to do that right now. but having said that, and i agree with anne, the idea he would actually invade ukraine, take more territory, is very clear that would be a disaster for him on a lot of fronts. it was important biden before meeting with putin two hours last week that first he met with the european allies and he actually coordinated a strong economic and military response. what would happen if the russians invaded?
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very different from biden deciding to leave afghanistan all by himself and the allies get to pick up the diplomatic pieces afterwards. >> anne, would it be fair to say that some of these russian actions does seem to have created the very thing that putin seems to be intent on destroying, which is a sense of ukraine as a nation? i mean, i'm struck by when you go to kiev, there's a much stronger sense of nationalism and national pride, largely in opposition to a lot of these russian moves. >> it's one of the great own goals in modern history that by threatening ukraine, by dismissing the idea there is such a thing as a sovereign ukraine, putin has created a kind of backlash in ukraine. one interesting statistic is more and more ukrainians every year say their native language is ukrainian. most ukrainians are bilingual, speaking ukraine and russian.
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but now more claim ukrainian is their first language. so that illustrates there's a kind of sentimental attachment to ukraine and the language and culture, much stronger every year. so there's a real sense of national identity. there's also a real army now. it does have western weapons. it does have some american weapons. it has training, although in this case it's really the hardware that's more important than the training. and ukraines ians would fight a putin has to 23know that. this would not be the same kind of event a few years ago where ukraine wasn't prepared and it was leaderless and not a coordinated response. now there's a lot of thought put into it. yes, the ukrainians very much think of themselves as a partner of the west and a country that would like to choose for itself whether it wants to be in nato or ur even allies and it no
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longer wants to be dictated to by russia. >> stay with us. what we're going to talk about next is the united states and the world's other major issue, which is the diplomatic boycott of the upcoming beijing olympics, essentially done by the english-speaking countries. will the move have any real effect? the panel will be back with me in a moment. (judith) in this market, you'll find fisher investments is different than other money managers. (other money manager) different how? don't you just ride the wave? (judith) no - we actively manage client portfolios based on our forward-looking views of the market. (other money manager) but you still sell investments that generate high commissions, right? (judith) no, we don't sell commission products. we're a fiduciary, obligated to act in our client's best interest. (other money manager) so when do you make more money? only when your clients make more money? (judith) yep, we do better when our clients do better. at fisher investments we're clearly different. ♪ ♪ ♪
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kingdom and canada all followed suit. china in turn warned countries would pay a price for their boycotts. what does all of this mean? joining me again, anne applebaum and ian bremmer. ian, this move with china does seem to be part of a kind of expression of the balancing act that the united states is now trying to play with china. on the one hand, athletes are participating in a sense the united states is participating, but there won't be any government officials there. it feels like an effort to metaphorically have the same policy towards china, which is some deterrence, some toughness but at the same time recognizing the reality it's a big trading partner. >> and recognition if biden loses votes at home and he's seen too soft on china, like they did in 2020 as a consequence of the whole biden asia trope.
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so they did move ahead with a diplomatic boycott. but frankly it's not just that the athletes are still going. there's no economic going or sponsors to pull out of the olympics. we've seen a number of different signs, small but matter, that show the american and chinese are trying to find ways to cooperate when it's clearly in the company's best national interest. here the announcement to start working together in the cop26 on climate. also the united states reached out directly to the chunninese secured a level of cooperation when both countries released oil from the strategic reserves at the same time. why? prices are high and there are challenges at home with inflation. it's a balancing act, not just international but also domestic politics. >> anne, you've written an article about the autocracies in
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"the atlantic." one point you make, and this is probably more true of russia than china, but that they're increasingly connecting with one another. do you think there's going to be a common front, if it were not quite a communist international being like the old days, but some type of common approach taken by the russians, chinese, russians? >> there already is and china is very much a part of it. but it's not at all like the old chinese internationals. there's no link between china and iran and venezuela and belarus. these are different countries and completely different ruling philosophies, at least in theory. in practice, they all now operate in many similar ways. so the state companies, quasi state, quasi-private companies and one company that now invests in quasi-state and quasi-private
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companies. they learn from one another how to do propaganda. they have ways of working together of getting around sanctions, pushing back against -- not just against western diplomacy but against western ideas. they have a common -- one common thing, which they all fear the language of democracy and they fear the democrat i movements inside their own countries, which are larger in some places than others, but they're enough of a problem for them to care about them. so it's really in their interest as a group, even though they don't have much in common ideologically, to seek to undermine western institutions to push back against western language about human rights and to do that in a concerted way. you can absolutely see that in a number of places around the world.
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>> ian, in the context of this contest or tension anne described, the biden administration has held a big democracy summit. what do you make of that? is that the answer? >> i mean, it would be nice if it was the answer. there are a lot of reasons why it isn't. one is, of course, the united states cannot be ideologically consistent in the allies it chooses around the world. some are based on common values. some are based on real politic and they are not democracies at all and how do you pick who shows up? the much deeper problem and more central problem is the united states is not seen as an example of a well-functioning democracy by anyone around the world right now. very different than when the wall came down in '89, when of the soviet union collapsed in 1991. it makes a lot of sense for the g7 as common advanced industrial democracies working together in
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a multilateral sense trying to say rule of law matters, transparency matters, dealing with human rights matters. the united states is the most powerful country in the world and we do a good job leading on things like nato and the quad. heck, even vaccine diplomacy, the united states right now is doing more than the rest of the world combined. but on democracy, how to run your country with the former president of the use actually says the election was delegitimized, was stolen and most of his supporters, including in his own party, actually agree with that, you literally cannot hold a democracy summit and think it to be functional in that regard. and, of course, looking ahead to 2024, there's just to capacity for the u.s. to be consistent in the way it articulates this going forward. >> ian bremmer, anne applebaum, thank you both very much. next on "gps," after 16
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ankle merkel left office, just as she came in, to the beat of her own drummer, or more exactly the beat of a military band playing a song written by an east german punk rocker. ♪ now it is olaf schultz's turn to run germany. he has a tough act to follow. joining me is the columnist from
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"the new european" and former editor in chief of germany's top-selling paper "build." tally, pleasure to have you on. explain something to me, in an age of polarization and sharp divisions between parties, look at the united states or britain or even france, in germany what you're seeing is something remarkably bipartisan or nonpartisan. schultz was in angela merkel's government. he was -- even though the opposition party, it was a coalition. he was a trusted adviser of hers. she in some ways undermined her own party by tacitly supporting him. he keeps praising her. what explains it? in germany it seems as though of all of the countries the center is holding. why? >> i'd say, first of all, it has to do with our election system that we're used to a multiparty coalition. it will be a first this time with three parties in that coalition but germans are used
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to parties having to find compromises. so it's not a two-party system as you know from the u.s. though and britain, so it is inherently less controversial and less polarized. all in all, we are lucky i think that the far right -- mustn't forget the far right got into parliament straight after the russian crisis and remained in parliament ever since. if they had a more charismatic leader, i think there would be more polarization in germany. luckily they don't and may that last very long. >> speaking of charismatic leaders, i don't think anyone would accuse olaf schultz of being charismatic. what kind of person is he? >> the former u.s. ambassador to berlin called him the most boring guy in the electoral campaign, maybe even in the country. he said olaf schultz made watching water boil seem exciting. the point is though germans, if they want entertainment, they turn on the telly. they don't want entertaining politicians, such as maybe boris
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johnson or donald trump. so olaf schultz, like his wife, also a career politician, they have no kids, no pets, no hobbies really. it's all about politics in that family. they use him as finance minister of hamburg. he had a legacy of being a very honest, hard-working politician. a couple financial scandals but nothing close to what you see in other countries. he's all in. people sort of rely on him and he so far has made the impression he's going to change the masses in his new position. >> one change that does seem like it will be on paper was the foreign minister. merkel was essentially her own foreign minister. whoever was the former leader designated as such. shoals probably initially does not have that kind of power and the coalition government means the foreign ministry has been given to an lena bar bach, the
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green party leader. what does that mean for german foreign policy and for europe? >> well, i'm not sure i fully agree with you that olaf scholz will sort of hand back all foreign policy responsibility to the foreign ministry. angela merkel as rightly said, he pulled it over to the chance lary. i think he will try to keep it that way, apart from foreign global climate issues but certainly, he studied over in london and will try to make most of her spoke. she's very outspoken and vociferous against human rights in china and russia. it remains to be seen whether she will keep up that outspoken rhetoric now that she's got that post. >> tell us about that particularly. toords russia and china, germany had a sort of more moderate or
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pragmatic policy. it's not part of the diplomatic boycott of the beijing winter olympics. do you think that that kind of pragmatism or moderation will continue? >> well, olaf scholz has been part of angela merkel's last government as finance minister and he's largely supported her stance in most of that, as you just says a more moderate, business friendly, at least rhetoric sort of apart from a couple of sanctions, you wouldn't see germany as the most controversial, the controversy but not the extreme which has been supported by olaf scholz as well. so he's now chancellor apparently doesn't look like much. it's off the table where it was heavily criticized by the greens and the new foreign minister. all in all german foreign policy
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is mostly european policy. so what the new german office is trying to do is -- following the boycott, try to have a european response, although it doesn't look successful at the moment. but they're going to try to find some sort of joint european response towards china in regard to the olympics. >> finally, let me ask you about one issue, which is domestic policy but strikes me as germany's heading towards a crisis. germany has said they're going to phase out nuclear. they're going to phase out coal because of all of the pledges they made. that doesn't leave a lot of new sources of supply and germany's demand is very strong. how does it avoid an energy crisis? it used to rely a lot on nuclear. how does it square this circle? >> you're absolutely right, we're going to say tphase out nuclear by next year and coal by
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2030. though a domestic issue largely influences a geopolitical issue, because not just issues like that, we again on on fuels, such as gas coming from russia. there isn't a threat of an energy crisis yet. at the moment energy costs in germany are massive. we're always importing nuclear energy from france, which is we're getting nuclear from france so the now government is finding a very, very fast way to make renewable energy happen in germany. at the moment we're not -- we haven't sort of come far enough. but that's on top of the agenda of that new government. as you said, there is a risk that at least from the dependence of russian gas will increase, not decrease. >> tenet, thank you so much.
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syria was once known for sporting things like crude oil, olive oil, spices and fruits, rugs and other textiles but today it ought to perhaps be best known for exporting amphetamines, illegal uppers. a blockbuster report by "the new york times" says syria has become nothing less than a narco state, making billions of dollars off those drugs, more money than from its legal exports. ben hubbard is one of the reporters who chased this story down. welcome, ben. explain to us what you describe as syria at the end of ten years of civil war that sounds like a kind of collapsed gangster state. would that be a fair
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characterization? >> yeah, i think so. after ten years of war we've seen the state as a central entity completely disintegrate and even though the government as we know it now controls the territory, inside of the territory it's a shattered place with a destroyed economy and war lordism and all sorts of other problems that have come up from the war. >> and from that war lordism and sort of those militias and what you describe as a kind of drug cartel that are tied in some way to elements of the government, right? >> yeah, i mean, so in all of that destruction, we've seen the formal economy of the country destroyed. we've seen many people close to them and other people in the country facing sanctions from the united states and elsewhere and what we realize a lot of these people in order to keep their operations going and earning money have gone into elicit trade, primarily in drug,
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so much so the drugs they're escorting are actually more valuable than any of the legal things that syria's exporting. >> the drug is called capital a-gon, the main drug. explain what it is and why it's as dangerous as it is. >> it was originally the brand named of a pharmaceutical drug manufactured in germany used to treat attention deficit disorder, narcolepsy. it's an amphetamine so it sort of gives you a boost. it was basically outlawed internationally in the 1980s after it was discovered it was addictive but around the same time caught on as a recreational job around saudi arabia and some of the other persian gulf countries. you had elicit cap a-gon production take off in places, most importantly lebanon, and as syria completely fell apart during the war, a lot of that production moved up into syria and powerful people in the syrian government or associated
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with the syrian government really took the idea of making this drug and industrialized it, took it to a much larger scale than we had seen before. the other issue that concerns not only is it as a drug but is as a significant source of income for a regime that, you know, many western governments have tried to shut the tap off on to try to get some kind of political change. so this has really provided ber shar la, many of his cronies, with sanction-proof income. >> and many say this new drug trade is large enough that's essentially allowing them, the syrian government, not feel the effects of sanctions as much. this is kind of a sanctions-busting strategy. >> well, i think it's a sanctions-busting strategy in terms of income for individuals. i should say first we don't have great visibility into how the money moves but i think we know enough to know this is not coming back into the syrian
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treasury. that it's mostly ended up probably in the bank accounts and villas and yachts of basically drug war lords in the country. >> i have to say reading the report, the image you get is of a country where you have this war with a lot of outside players trying to get in on the action, on various sides of it. then you have sanctions. and the total effect of ten years of war and terrorism and sanctions have just devastated the country, created this narco-state and the life for the average syrian is just -- just seems like a living hell. >> yeah, mine, the economy has shrunk by something like 70%. more than half the country's population has been displaced, that includes refugees who have gone abroad, arab countries and millions who ended up in europe and elsewhere. and then all of the other people displaced inside of the country,
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uprooted from the communities they're living in and now living basically as internal refugees elsewhere in the country and the economy in many ways has become nonfunctional. even if the cronies can earn money off the drug, this money is not going back to the syrian people. it's not helping them meet their daily needs or fixing schools or ear infrastructure that was destroyed during the war. it's just enriching people who have the power to be involved in these type of activities. >> powerful reporting, ben hubbard. thank you for it. >> thank you very much. next on "gps," alfred novell will says the peace prize should go to the people who have done the most for peace and fraternity and abolition of the armies. how many prizes of the recipients actually fit that bill? that story in a moment.
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and now for "the last look." on friday in a pared down ceremony at oslo city hall, the journalist from the philippines and russia were presented with the nobel peace prize. they deserve the award and are in good company. over 20 years of existence, the prize has become synonymous with selfless business and bestowed on mother teresa and the dalai
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lama. but there are those who have not aged quite so well. take the 19th awardee, ethiopia's then reform-minded leader. he had just spearheaded a peace accord with a man long at war with his country. at the prize ceremony, he spoke of the need to plant seeds of love, forgiveness and reconciliation in the hearts and minds of our citizens. two years later he has not quite done that. he's presided over a bloody civil war with the ethnic rebels, his government has cut off food aid to the north where ordinary tig arrayens live. last month he vowed the country would bury this enemy with our blood and bones and make the glory of ethiopia high again. you might ask how could the nobel committee have gotten things so wrong? actually, i have some sympathy for the committee because in awarding the peace prize, it can go in one of two directions, either it gives the prize to
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someone who is unquestionably a moral leader, kind of global good guy like use asif of the world food program. but it's hard to make the case those groups actually worked to create peace. peace is often the product of complicated negotiations among warring parties, so the committee also tries to reward those who well make peace. in 1973 there was an uproar when the prize was awarded to then-secretary of state henry kissinger and vietnamese politician for negotiating a cease-fire to the war in vietnam. five years later the peace prize was awarded to the egyptian president mohammed anwar sadat and prime minister for peace negotiations. it was the same year they signed the camp david accords. the agreement was a bright spot in the israeli-arab relations.
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but he was a former guerrilla and to many, little more than a terrorist. when he arrived in oslo to collect his award, there was such protests against him they moved the ceremony to a medieval fortress. the community once against weighed into middle east politics in 1994 when they awarded the price to yasser arafat, shimon peres after the signing of the oslo accords. if the opposition of that award was fierce, arafat was blazing inferno. he was the chairman of the plo, when it was responsible for highly public acts of terror against israel. an american conservative journalist called him the worst man to ever win the nobel peace prize. we can condom these leaders for their misdeeds and we should. but, again, i understand the committee's apparent desire to reach out and take risks to encourage politicians and diplomats to actually try to find ways to end conflicts and to enter negotiations and find ways to compromise. the prize has been awarded to inspiring figures, ones far less
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complicated than the ones i described, like the pioneer of micro finance, mohammed yunice. as laudable as they are, they did not really achieve peace. the fact is the custodians of peace are politicians and politics is an exercise in power and interest, not simply an expression of moral principles. and why it makes mistakes, the nobel committee is trying to help forge that hard road to peace in this dangerous world. one final note, i want to say a word about somebody who died suddenly this past week. fred hiatt, the editorial editor of "the washington post." fred was one of the great guardians of public discourse in america, a role he fulfilled with enormous integrity and intelligence. i have a personal stake in this. he gave me a column in "the washington post" and was a staunch supporter of mine, even though we observe disagreed, which was one of the many reasons he was made for that
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