tv State of the Union With Jake Tapper and Dana Bash CNN December 12, 2021 9:00am-10:00am PST
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covid cases on the rise as experts push for a third shot. how far should the government go to ensure everyone gets a vaccine? two leaders for and against mandates. new york mayor de blasio and arkansas governor asa hutchinson join me. plus americans worry about rising costs. >> it's a bump in the road that affects families. >> democrats look for a win on their social safety bill. can they get it done? i'll speak to democratic senator amy klobuchar ahead. hello, i'm jake tapper in washington where the state of our union is holding out hope for the missing. emergency crews in the midwest are continuing the desperate search and rescue effort through tons of wreckage, flattened homes and factories and cars that were simply tossed around after at least 30 tornadoes touched down in six states this
weekend, kentucky, arkansas missouri, mississippi, illinois and tennessee. dozens are feared dead and officials warn the number will almost certainly rise as rescuers continue to sift through the devastation. joining me now from the commonwealth hardest hit, kentucky governor andy beshear. governor, thanks for joining us. how many confirmed deaths do you have in kentucky? how many of your citizens are still unaccounted for? >> well, the confirmation process is slow. i can tell you from reports that i've received i know we've lost more than 80 kentuckians. that number is going to exceed more than 100. this is the deadliest tornado event we've ever had, i think it's going to be the longest and deadliest tornado event in u.s. history. we know one of the tornadoes was on the ground over 227 miles, and, jake, 200 were in kentucky.
i've got towns that are gone, that are just gone. my dad's hometown, half of it in standing. it is hard to describe. i know people can see the visuals, but that goes on for 12 blocks or more in some of these places. it's going to take us time. you think you go door to door to check on people and see if they're okay, there are no doors. the question is is somebody in the rubble in thousands upon thousands of structures. it is devastating. >> meanwhile no electricity, it's been below freezing. how are rescue efforts going? >> we have a lot of help, an amazing state of good people that have come in from other cities and towns, where they weren't hit, and so we have a lot of assistance from other states, federal partners like atf, coast guard and others are
also helping, but it's just massive, widespread damage makes rescue efforts a challenge. if we haven't found somebody by now, it's of really great concern. the area that was hit the hardest, mayfield, i was there yesterday, will be back to today. i will be back today. certainly a candle factory, it will be a miracle if we pull anybody else out of that. it's now 15 feet deep of steel, cars on top of where the roof was. just tough. but our rescuers out there are incredible. they worked through the night, while it was occurring, putting themselves in danger through all of yesterday, hopefully caught a few hours of sleep last night. i was at our emergency operations center beginning at 1:00 a.m., i guess yesterday, and hearing the reports coming in, moment by moment, people
trapped in a basement because their house is gone, and getting people to them, just a lot of amazing efforts. >> is there a number of kentuckians who remain unaccounted for? >> again, that's region by region. i'll just say in dawson springs, again, where my family's from, a town of about 2,700, the list of unaccounted for was about eight pages single-spaced. pretty bad. >> and many of the likely deaths are one particular candle factory. what do you know about whether those workers had a chance to get to safety or if they had a plan in place? >> my understanding is that they did have a plan inside the facility, that we believe most of the workers got to what is supposed to be the safest place in the facility, but when you see the damage that this storm
did, not just there, but across the area, i'm not sure there was a plan that would have worked. so we had about 110 kentuckians, mainly residents of mayfield, that were working in that facility, about 40 of them have been rescued, and i'm not sure we're going to see another rescue. i pray for it. it would be an incredibly welcome miracle, but i think it's been since 3:30 yesterday morning we found a live person. >> just a horrible experience for the good men and women and children of kentucky. governor beshear, our prayers are with you, and please keep in touch, let us know if there's anything you're not getting the federal government that we can help shine a light on. >> i appreciate that. one way people can help, we have set up a fun team, wkyrelieffund.ky.gov, our team
western kentucky relief fund managed by the state, it's going to go entirely to families impacted in western kentucky. sadly, the first expense is likely burial expenses, but to help those families grieve. we have to be with them as they grieve, and in the months and year to come we have to be with them as they rebuild. we've been hit in a way that is unimaginable. we'll get through it. we'll get through it together and rebuild. we're strong people. >> governor beshear, thank you so much. >> thank you, president biden will visit areas affected by the tornadoes and pledge to do whatever it takes to help the survivors. joining me now fema administrator deanne criswell. thanks for joining us. how many people are still missing across the six states hit by the devastating
tornadoes, and is there a hope that some people might still be found alive in the rubble? >> good morning, jake. first i just wanted to start by saying my prayers go out to everybody across these states impacted by these events. we still do have reports of people that are missing and unaccounted for. i don't have exact numbers. the life-saving and life-sustaining priorities are continuing to be to find as many people as we can that might be trapped in this rubble. >> it's still a rescue mission, not just a recovery. there's still hope. >> i think there is still hope. we sent one of our federal urban search and rescue teams down to kentucky, they arrived through the day yesterday. they'll be able to assist the localities with their ongoing rescue efforts. i think there is still hope. we should continue to find as many people as we can. >> what are the state's biggest priorities right now? what do they need the most? >> the biggest are life-saving
missions, but right now we have so many people displaced as a result of these tornadoes. there's sheltering that's going to need to take place. my experience as an emergency manager has shown many people stay with friends and family. there are going to be some that are going to need short-term sheltering and some long-term assistance as they rebuild. i spoke with the president of the american red cross yesterday and talked about her efforts to support the states with their sheltering, and we're continuing to work with the states on long-term housing needs. >> the governor of kentucky called this the most devastating tornado event in this state's history. how unusual is it to see a storm this powerful this late in the year? >> i think it's incredibly unusual. we do see tornadoes in december. that part is not unusual, but at this magnitude i don't think we've seen one this late in the year but also this time of year.
the severity and the amount of time this tornado or these tornadoes spent on the ground is unprecedented. >> scientists warn extreme weather events such as this one happen more frequently as the climate continues to warm. is your agency, fema, equipped to handle this new normal? handle this new normal? >> this is going to be our new normal and the effects we're seeing from climate change are the crisis of our generation. we're taking a lot of efforts to work with communities to reduce impacts we're seeing from the severe weather events and help to develop system-wide projects that can help protect communities. so we'll continue to work on helping to reduce the impacts but we're also prepared to respond to any community that gets impacted by one of these severe events. >> administrator criswell, thanks so much and appreciate the work do you. >> thank you so much. tornadoes killed at least two people in arkansas, one of them died here at a nursing home in monette, arkansas, a nursing home horribly damaged.
governor asa hutchinson inspected that damage yesterday and he joins us now. governor hutchinson, tell us what you saw firsthand in your state, the devastation from the tornadoes. >> as you fly over some of the communities that are impacted there's swathes of houses destroyed, people displaced, but as you indicated the miracle in monette, arkansas, northeast part of the state, small community, where a nursing home was struck. as i went to that facility, it was like heaven sucked up the roof and all the contents of it. it's a miracle with 67 residents that we only lost one there, and that's because of the heroic efforts of the staff, and also the fact that we had 20 minutes of warning. the siren went off alerting the citizens that a tornado was in the vicinity, and because of that, they were able to get the
residents in the hallway. so preparation makes a big difference. the investments in those early warning systems saved a lot of lives in this instance. >> president biden has promised to use the full force of the government to help. are you, is arkansas getting the help that you need? >> we are, and first of all, the calls i've had from fellow governors, from the public that's willing to help, it's just heartwarming to know that this tragedy can bring people together. the president on a call with him yesterday, he pledged any support that was necessary. fema is standing ready, and so we're still recovering, making sure people have a place to stay. then we'll go through the long process of rebuilding these homes which are heart aches for each individual citizen. it's important, and the president said he would cut through any red tape to make sure we get the disaster
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cases and hospitalizations are rising again and how you celebrate the holiday will depend on who is in charge of your city or state. starting this week in new york city, anyone including children ages 5 and above will not be able to eat in a restaurant or go to a movie theater without being able to prove that they've had at least one shot for a kid, and the full regiment if you're over 12. by the end of december mayor bill de blasio is requiring all private sector employees be vaccinated. it would be the most sweeping requirements in the united states.
11 states including arkansas are suing to prevent the biden administration from requiring businesses with more than 100 employees to mandate vaccines or weekly testing, and a 52-vote senate majority voted to overturn president biden's vaccine mandate for businesses although it's unlikely the house will agree. we'll try something new on "state of the union today. here to debate whether vaccine mandates are the best way to end this pandemic arkansas governor asa hutchinson and new york city mayor bill de blasio. you both agree the vaccines are safe and effective, both gotten them, repeatedly urged americans to get vaccinated. where you disagree whether or not the government should mandate that. let's start the debate asking you governor hutchinson and you two can engage each other, new york city has sweeping mandates for workers and businesses and might sound too sweeping for some people, but 71% of residents are fully vaccinated. arkansas has no mandates and only 50% of your residents are fully vaccinated.
does that not show, governor hutchinson, that vaccine mandates work? >> i don't believe it does. first of all, put it in historical perspective, never in the history of our country has government mandated the private sector to require vaccinations. it's generally been left up to the states and localities, but it has been looked at as an education effort in our school systems. to put this into the businesses does a number of things. one, it hardens resistance, that's what we see in arkansas but i think across the country. secondly, the courts have struck it down. by and large, the president's mandate these mandates are unconstitutional overreaches and the courts are looking at it in that fashion. it's a little bit closer case when it comes to a city, because that's a government closest to the people.
but if you're looking at a million employees and you get a 90% vaccination rate you have 10% which is 100,000 workers, and whenever the businesses are struggling with workers, our service providers, they're providing for their family, you don't need to add 100,000 to the unemployed list and that would hurt us in trying to do our recovery, provide the services we need already struggling -- even in the health care industry, if you put that mandate in, you're going to lose some health care workers as well. so that's the reasons, part of the reasons that we oppose those mandates. >> mayor de blasio? >> governor, i want to speak to this but my heart goes out to the people of arkansas. i appreciate your leadership as you're dealing with this crisis and i want you to know the people in new york city are praying for the people of arkansas right now that things recover quickly. >> thank you. >> to the question here, governor, look, right now here's what i fear.
omicron is here, it's all over the country. this variant moves fast. i we have to move faster, and i'll tell you what i hear from our business community that their greatest fear is shutdowns. their greatest fear is going back to where we were in 2020, to restrictions, to people losing their livelihood. you mentioned unemployment. the greatest threat to employment right now is that the omicron variant and the cold winter months are going to supercharge covid and take us backwards. so i'm going to argue to you that mandates work and it's time -- since i put mandates in place in new york city, starting in august, we've seen over 1 million more doses. 71% of our people fully vaccinated. a lot of those people made the decision because the mandate was there, and it was the thing that moved them, and it's keeping people alive. so i do agree with you, we have to take all of the factors into account, but we've proven that mandates work, and now we're up
against a new enemy with this new variant. we've got to have a strategy to fight back. >> governor? >> well, mayor, i know that new york has challenges because of its density of population perhaps other places could not have and also the success of new york is important for my country. i've got a granddaughter that's going to school in new york city, but whenever you look at the vaccinations, we are in agreement, let's increase those vaccination rates, but how do you get there? and to me, we're right now dividing our country on this issue of mandates. but on the issue of vaccination by and large, republicans, democrats, everybody are together on that, and education works, and we increase that here in arkansas. i had town meetings all across the state, bringing education
efforts, encouraging that, but never in history particularly with the young people, with only an emergency use authorization by the fda have we mandated that vaccine at this early stage. it's right. we need that, but we know the solution to this, which is the vaccination, if you're not vaccinated, you can socially distance. you can take the steps, and private businesses should be able to make the decision themselves. many might require of their employees to be vaccinated, but let's let them make that decision and of course people can make decisions as to where they want to go, but to put the mandate in is unprecedented. it's going to cause hardship and going to cause division in our country, as you can already see, and so that's the reason i think the mandates take us the wrong direction. >> governor, look, i respect the point about division of the country, something we're all grappling with and i thank you. i know you showed courage in saying that private sector employers in arkansas should have the right if they choose to put a mandate in place, i
appreciate you took that stand, but i'll tell you something. you have several times said understandably, we don't have a precedent here. i agree we don't have a precedent because this is absolutely an unprecedented crisis and we're about to go into year three of this. governor, this is my fear. we thought several times we're going to leave the covid era behind. we could leave it behind in 2022 if we truly focus on vaccination and put the tough mandates in place to make sure we turn the corner. if we don't, here's what i fear. we go back to lockdowns, restrictions, we lose another year, and i can tell you, for a lot of businesses, small business owners i've talked, to mom and pop stores, they can't afford to lose another year. so that's the economic side. on the human side, and i'm representing a city that's lost tens of thousands of our fellow
residents -- and when you talk to someone who lost a grandparent, a father, a mother, it brings home we've got to stop this thing now, and i'll tell you, i'll challenge you respectfully on this point, look at what mandates have allowed us to achieve. our schools are safe, our restaurants are thriving, broadway is back, because people go in there and they know they're safe. everyone's vaccinated, and it's actually kept them thriving while keeping the covid levels low here. why wouldn't we want that for everyone? >> governor? >> mayor, what is your vaccination rate in new york city before the mandates went into place? >> it was about 57%. >> did you get up to 90%? >> about 57% before the mandate started in august. it's about 71% now fully vaccinated all residents. that means about 1 million more doses since we put the mandates in place and we know -- we saw it with our own workforce, our
public workforce, a lot of them were hesitant truthfully. a lot of them needed extra incentive and reason -- now it's 94% of our public employees are vaccinated because of those mandates. >> okay, that's public employees. i'm talking about the private sector, though, which is a totally different issue, although i don't believe we ought to have the mandates in place. but you're able to get to a fairly high vaccination rate. people of new york understood the risk, and they've lived through it, they understand that and people in arkansas, as the risk increase, the vaccination rates increase as well. so through education, you have had a great deal of success. the mandates, though, are going to cause adverse hardship. people know what they need to do, but the mandates are going to cause consistent resistance. you're going to lose public health workers, and that's what we're going to see in arkansas
if we put that into place. and so the private sector can make that decision as they've done, whether they want a vaccine requirement for their employees. people are going to make good decisions on this, but let's not divide again on this, and so i hope that we can work together to increase vaccination rates. you've done a great job in the city voluntarily, but the mandates i think you'll see are going to cause even greater hardship and the courts are going to take a look at it. >> mayor de blasio, we should note you mandated all private sector workers in new york city need to get vaccinated by december 27th, two days after christmas. should all businesses in new york city fire workers in the middle of the holidays if they refuse to get vaccinated? >> we chose the 27th mindful of course of christmas and the holiday season, jake, and the bottom line is, what we found with all the mandates, we did this with the private sector already with restaurants, indoor
entertainment, fitness. and what we found is in fact, employees overwhelmingly agreed and followed through. they may not have thought they would like it originally, but they ultimately chose to get that shot, and in fact realize that everyone was safe in those settings. the customers have loved to have heard this consistently from restaurant owners, they're full now. people go in confident they'll be safe, so it's been very good for business. what's bad for business is the threat of potential shutdowns and restrictions. i've got business owners terrified that we're going to go back where we were. look at germany right now. look at england right now. they are going backwards fast. so i'd say to you, governor, i understand the power -- i agree with you, education is crucial but right now, if for example in arkansas 50% of folks fully vaccinated, that runs the huge risk of covid reasserting of hundreds or thousands of people losing their lives particularly our seniors. i hear you on the power of
education, but i'm challenging you on the question of time. we are running out of time. omicron coming, winter coming. we've got to do something more now. >> governor hutchinson, final thought from you. >> just a quick point, and that's first of all, we should not even think about shutdowns. the businesses should not have that fear. they shouldn't have the choice of being shut down or requiring a vaccine for their employees. but secondly, it's the enforcement side. if you do not have an enforcement mechanism, then it brings disrespect for the law and it brings unfairness as to who complies and who does not comply. and so for all of those reasons, it's not an option of shutdown or not, but mayor, thank you for your leadership and jake, thanks for this opportunity this debate this important issue. >> one thing we can all agree on is that everyone should get vaccinated, especially as we approach the holidays.
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supporting it. joining to us discuss amy klobuchar of minnesota. thanks for joining us. appreciate it. >> thanks, jake. >> senate majority leader chuck schumer says they're still on track to get this passed. yes or no, is this going to pass by christmas? >> we have to get this done, jake, and senator manchin is still at the negotiating table. there is no doubt about that. the reason we have to get it done is we're paying the highest prices for drugs, for prescription drugs of any country in the world yet our taxpayers have funded all this research. this is the first time we take on pharma. we're willing to do it. the republicans or not. secondly, we know we have a workforce shortage, part of what's going on with the supply chain. you have to make sure people have child care so they can get back to work, help take care of aging parents and apprenticeships. we know there are a bunch of people out there who are not yet back into the workforce, and we need to make sure they got into
jobs like the hospital area where covid is still raging, making sure we have enough truck drivers and construction workers and plumbers. that's a lot about what this bill is. >> will it pass by christmas? is it going to pass by christmas? >> i am all in on getting it done by christmas and will do everything to get it done. >> republicans asked the congressional budget office to analyze the build back better bill if key provisions such as the child tax credit or universal pre-k made permanent instead of being phased out after a few years. unzer that der that set of circumstances, the cbo found it would add $3 trillion to the deficit. i understand democrats are pushing back because the bill as written does not make those programs permanent. don't you want those to be permanent? >> the point what you just made is that this bill is paid for. it's paid for by taxing the wealthiest and paid for to help regular people. and all the economists have said
that it doesn't make it -- it's not inflationary because it's paid for. you want to make sure they're working. what's worked? i think pre-k is going to be a major part of this, this is going to be something we should keep in place. so what do you do? you can continue a lot of the tax changes we've made to pay for it. there's other tax changes we haven't touched like, for instance, bringing up the corporate tax rate to where it was before trump presidency, every point you bring it up if you brought it up to save 25%, that's $400 billion. that's still on the table. why do i bring that up? there are ways to pay for things going forward but right now this bill it is paid for and not inflationary. to the contrary, it's going to help us with the inflation issue. >> right, so the cbo report did seem designed to get joe manchin to not support the bill. >> clearly this was where the republicans asked for this, but
joe manchin is someone -- he gets our country. he gets the plight of so many people in west virginia, and how they've been having to pay more for prescription drug prices, a strong proponent of taking on pharma to bring down prescription drugs. >> have you talked to him? is he on board yet? he has not committed to this bill and you need him. >> the obvious, and those negotiations are continuing, as they are on voting rights. he's behind the bill that i'm leading, the freedom to vote act, so many people working on this from senator schumer to tim kaine, to senator warnock and padilla and john tester. an incredible effort. every single democrat supporting that bill. we have to find a way to get it on the floor. >> you grilled the head of instagram over the impact on young users and the blind eye he's turning to the devastating impact on especially young girls. now you're introducing legislation to require social media companies to publicly release internal data and to cooperate with independent researchers looking into their app's impact on the republican.
senator rob portman cosponsored the bill with you. do you have the votes to pass it? >> i actually think we do. there's a bipartisan movement to take this on. the interests of parents right now and social media platforms are diametrically opposed. parents want their kids doing homework. you know. you have kids. parents want their kids, if they're going to look at tv or any content, they want them to be protected from bad stuff. that's not happening right now. and what we've seen with the platforms and this is what we asked the ceo of instagram is that they're putting more money into wooing teens to keep them on the site because it's a feeder group that gets addicted to their product. that's exactly what's happening. they see more ads and can sell more advertising. it's obvious and this includes facebook, tiktok. and we all know meta, facebook, owns instagram. so we're pushing for a privacy
law to protect kids on the internet, doing something about our competition policy and algorithms so we know exactly what's going on and we can actually have alternatives for families. >> something that happened friday that i wanted to ask you about if we can bring up the picture. you were at the funeral for former senator bob dole and you were seated, there you are, next to republican senator ted cruz, who as everybody can see is not masked. despite rules that the national cathedral requiring all guests to wear masks indoors. now you're a breast cancer survivor. you're still recovering i guess. >> i'm 100% now. >> still at risk of infection because of this fight that you won. what was going through your mind there, where ted cruz pulls up next to you and doesn't have a mask on, even though the rules are, you wear the masks to protect other people.
>> i think people should wear masks especially when in settings when they're supposed to. i think part of our duty as civic leaders is actually to model behavior, because it's not just about masks. it's also about vaccines, and ted cruz, he's gotten a vaccine. he gets that. and part of what i don't want to get lost here is why we were there. we were there to honor bob dole and his memory. bob dole was all about consensus, bringing people together, and let's not forget that. one of the things i learned at that funeral which i didn't know was that bob dole was actually strongly supportive of establishing the mlk holiday. he was supportive of civil rights legislation. he did courageous things that were against the grain when called upon. >> yes. >> in his words, he actually once said that when you look at these things and what's happening in our country, that courage is about bringing people together.
he was someone that i think we need to think about as we take on -- i just watched that incredible debate you had, was we take on things in our country that we have to find consensus when we can. >> quickly if you could, the supreme court just ruled that some challenges against texas' restrictive abortion ban can proceed. the law bans abortions after six weeks before a lot of women even know they're pregnant. deputizes private citizens to enforce it. that law is allowed to remain in effect. what is your reaction? i know you expressed fear about what happens to roe v. wade. >> i'll quote justice roberts a conservative justice, but he seems to be appalled by what's going on with the other justices in the court and he said this. the clear purpose and actual effect of the texas law has been to nullify this court's rulings, and that when the court allows states to do that "the constitution itself becomes a solemn mockery." this law is still in effect in texas.
it is inimical to roe v. wade. justice kagan described it as the fabric of a women's existence, so i believe in the end based on what we heard out of the mississippi case where the real decision's going to be made about constitutionality, the texas case is going back to the lower courts, limited right to sue, but what we know is that if they decide this, and it appears they will, is that we will have no choice but to take this on state by state. i don't think that's the right way to handle this patchwork of state laws. i think the best way to avoid back alley abortions and bussing women around the country is the codify roe v. wade, put that into federal law to make sure women have a choice to be a mom, to put a child up for adoption, or to terminate a pregnancy, that i am with 75% of americans who believe this should be a choice between a woman and her doctor. >> senator klobuchar from
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we learned this more this week about the efforts by donald trump and his team to overrule the will of the american people and steal the presidential election based on deranged lies and wild conspiracy theories. >> the fbi never did anything other than to impede investigations. >> some of the wilder slides
from this man, phillip waldron, a powerpoint memo waldron said he circulated among other allies, a memo that reportedly called for trump to declare a state of nationality emergency because of the false, if not lunatic, theory waldron was circulating that foreign hackers hacked into servers to change american votes. waldron appeared in that unhinged film by my pillow's mike lindell that prompted defamation lawsuits. >> direct access to pennsylvania voting precincts, county tabulation centers, wisconsin, michigan, nevada, arizona, georgia, all of that coming in directly from foreign countries, china being the predominant one. >> just crazy, and to reiterate, that guy had the ear of white
house officials. that guy was pushing lunacy and urging them to declare a national emergency and seize ballots. on friday, trump attorney janet ellis confirmed the authenticity of two articles by politico, december 31st, proposes a way for vice president mike pence to not count electoral votes for joe biden from arizona, georgia, michigan, mf nf, pennsylvania and wisconsin because she said republicans in those states were disputing those results, though as always we should note the disputes were rooted in wild and unhinged lies. ellis said "on january 6th the vice president should therefore not open any votes from the six states and instead direct a question to the legislatores of each of the states and ask them to confirm which of the two slates of electors have in fact been chosen in the manner the legislature is provided for. the question would require a response from the state
legislatures which would then need to meet in an emergency electoral session." in other words, even though there were not two slates of electors from every state, ellis' memo was pushing for a way for pence to push the legislatures, to convene and create them. five of six of the states have republican legislatures, we should note. this plan was counting on their participation. another ellis memo january 5th, the day before the insurrection, quote, the vice president should begin alphabetically in order of the states and coming first to arizona, not open the purported certification but simply count the stop at that juncture, end quote. the states would then have to act. ellis tweeted in response to the politico story she never, quote, advocated pence had the authority to overturn the election and the memo simply outlined, quote, legal theories i explored. except we know that vice
president pence was being pushed to take some action like that by this man, jon eastman, another preacher of crazy election lies. >> say we're unloading the ballots from the secret folder, matching them, matching them to the unvoted voter and voila, we have enough votes to barely get over the finish line. >> just crazy. eastman claiming falsely that pence was the ultimate arbiter of the votes. we know this not just from voting but donald trump's own words on january 6th. >> jon is one of the most brilliant lawyers in the country and he looked at this and he said what an absolute disgrace this could be happening to our constitution. and he looked at mike pence, and i hope mike is going to do the right thing. i hope so, i hope so. >> it might be tempting to laugh at all of this wackiness, the nutty theories and foreign hackers and bizarre legal memos,
but republican officials continue to push these lies or at the very least, most of them are not standing up against them. polling shows the majority of republican voters now believe the falsehood that the election was stolen. one of those republicans, this man, a substitute teacher from elizabethtown, pennsylvania, who attended the january 6th rally and posted on his facebook page, unfortunately a few weeds sprouted up and turned a positive event into a negative one. a few weeds sprang up, mixed within the wheat. they looked and smelled like wheat, appeared to be wheat but were not. the enemy planted weeds in among the wheat, unquote. i'm not certain if he was suggesting the hundreds of trump supporters who have been prosecuted for attacking the capitol were not actually trump supporters but the only reason
i'm mentioning him to you because mr. lindemuth ran and won the position of judge of election in elizabethtown, pennsylvania. the guy who attended the ridiculous stop the steal rally, saying he was standing for the truth to be heard. he's in charge of elections. this is happening all over the country in offices small and large from republican gubernatorial candidate carrie lake in arizona in georgia to senator david perdue endorsed by trump to challenge incumbent republican brian kemp. perdue just told axios he would not have signed the state's certification of electors had he been governor. make no mistake, the folks from this movement do not believe in free and fair elections. they do not believe in your vote counting unless you vote for them. their platform is disenfranchisement and derangement. it is undemocratic and it's
frankly unamerican. and they're doing it right in front of all of us, right out in the open. trump once said, quote, i could stand in the middle of fifth avenue and shoot somebody and i wouldn't lose voters. he did try to killed democracy once, and he's going to try to do it again clearly. but this time with a little help from his friends, he might actually pull it off. we'll be right back. (guy) better. (kate) hey. and up to $1,000 when you switch. (carolers) [singing] betttttter. because everyone deserves better. i brought in ensure max protein, with thirty grams of protein. those who tried me felt more energy in just two weeks! (sighs wearily) here i'll take that! (excited yell) woo-hoo! ensure max protein. with thirty grams of protein, one gram of sugar, and nutrients to support immune health.
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this is gps, the global public square. welcome to all of you if the use and around the world. i'm fareed zakaria coming to you live from new york. today on the program, russia, china, iran, president biden's biggest foreign policy headaches are only getting bigger. >> democracy needs champions. >> putin puts forth red lines on ukraine. beijing reacts angrily to america's diplomatic boycott of the olympics