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meadows' criminal referral after the house votes to hold him in contempt to congress. growing concern about the fears of the omicron virus. and more than 80 million americans from the rockies to the midwest and great lake regions under high wind alerts tonight as powerful storms topple tractor trailers on the interstate, highways and spawn tornadoes. but i want to begin with the big lie and my next guest knows the big liar well. mary trump, good evening, it's good to see you. let's get right to, it okay? >> absolutely. we are learning so many details about what happened on insurrection day, 180 minutes of your uncle reveling in the destruction of the day, so many lies exposed.
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it's all been revealed as a fraud but publicly he is still pushing the big lie. why do people fall for this? why do they buy it? >> i think one of the biggest problems we have right now as a country is that news is so siloed. people who watch fox probably didn't see one second of the hearing that the january 6 committee put on where they were considering whether or not to hold mark meadows in contempt. so they're only getting the spin and none of the facts. and i think this has been a huge problem all throughout donald starting with his candidacy. people get very selective information and so much of it is either skewed or entirely inaccurate and false. >> listen, let's talk about these texts. i want to get your reaction,
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tex texts from your cousin don junior. he's got to condemn this. are you surprised he wassing if -- was going to his chief of staff to get to his own father? >> no, it doesn't surprise me at all. on one hand i would like to think it's because donald wouldn't answer his own phone calls. i think it's worse. donnie knew things were going south and that they were all on the wrong side of this and yet he also knew that the message he had to send his father was a message his father did not want to hear and donnie's a coward and he did not want to face it himself. so he basically outsourced it to mark meadows. >> this is what a source is telling cnn, that your uncle, the former president, is annoyed
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with mark meadows and feeling blindsided. meadows is handing over documents and trying to appease him by refusing to testify. you would think meadows would realize only undying fult is accepted here. >> it is kind of odd. it's one of the few things that meadows was so forth coming with the committee before changing his mind about showing up in person but yet he had already handed over so much damaging information. why really know how he thinks he's going to get out of this, unless he's been paying attention and he's seen in the past how people always manage to get back into donald's good graces if they know how to handle him. but still, this is game changing
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potentially, right? we were looking at a situation now where not only has meadows apparently thrown himself under the bus, but he has allowed the committee to draw a straight line from donald trump to the insurrection. >> well, yes, i understand that part of it, but doesn't he -- when were people at some level realize that old saying that everything that trump touches dies, look at the people who have been involved with him to people who have carried his water. most have gotten into trouble. the people who were in trouble, trump can't pardon him. >> people who are around donald think there's something special about them. they kind of remind me of people
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who smoke and think that it's never going to catch up with them. you know, they're going to be the one person who, who is always the one who gets away with it. let's be honest. a lot of people have still gotten away with it, bannon and donald's children and many, many other people actually in the executive branch continue to get away with it, let alone members of congress. so i think they continue to bet on the side of doing what donald has been doing his entire life, brazening through it and getting away with it in the end. >> listen, whitney wild of cnn spoke with one of the organizers of the january 6th rally who met with the select committee, dustin stockman. this is what he said about the rioters. >> they were absolutely looking for his twitter account for guidance. i mean, they were looking to
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hear instructions from the president. and they weren't getting it so they continued to do what they were doing it seemed like. and, man, that was the point for me. it feels like when you get conned, you right, when you finally realize and the shades pulled from your eyes and you just look back at all of the different warning signs you should have picked up on. >> listen, he said basically what i was thinking, the curtain was pulled back. you tell us house of representatives your uncle has been broken the entight light. >> you think the fact that the committee hearings were televised and may indeed be history altering. they need and some may not see
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it because they're only watching fox news -- sorry, i shouldn't say fox news. they're only watching fox or eon. however, the more information that's going out the less it will be po snoo so i do hope that more people like that will come to their senses. why they actual will you were conned. >> mary trump, always a pleasure. >> let's bring in laura coats, she has a new book in january titled just pursuit, a black prosecutor's fight for fairness. jeffrey, i'm going to start with you. before we get into the nitty-gritty of this, it seems very clear that we will and the
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question is. >> well, the odds are better this time because they will have learned from the last experience about what they can do. but let's just talk about what we are learning about what's going on at the white house between november and january. the degree to which the entire white house was fixated on trying to overturn this election. and, you know, what i don't think enough people have focused on is that in the past week the it district court in washington, two different judges have said, you know, when you go into the congress and try with corrupt means to overturn an election, that's obstruction of justice,
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that's a we is seen the degree to win, the m but the people using the political means and the people in the willard hotel. and the white house itself. those people are now at great miss are. "tonight laying out how six members of pt freedom caucused to try to over >> this was a deliberate campaign. but if the gop takes the house next year, jim injured will be leading the judiciary committee committee.
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what impact do you think that would have. >> it's just going back to the phrase that we used or at least i hughesed over and over again during the and they were using corrupt means, lying to the public, lying in to we'llity. >> well, that's a great question that i've always con derd as poup. >> look at how often president trump told falsehoods. if. >> i think they both believe none of what they're saying but
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this nm and they were duping the electorate. it insults the intelligence. american people, including people they help lo support them to allow the big we to me tas tied. what we saw on january 6th was know coincidence. it was really the middle of the story. there was so much work and coordination and strategizing that went into what we eventually saw. people weren't john ratcliffe. at least one person was shot. you had officers who are fighting fo their lives and on behalf of the lives of people who are no urning. the che cheney and orns about the idea of what the from.
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>> it could ultimately transform if d. onch j. sees him. nm so i just go you would stand how you lot elected into who was and then you could think some house did no nfrpgs nm being the quote unquote freedom. it really is rich at best at this point. >> and laura talks about those liz cheney read tend. and to me it's beyond simply the
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inaction, the failure to stop the riots. think about the fact that donald trump jr. and all the fox hosts were saying get the president to stop this. what does that mean? it means the president was the person who started it. if he's the one who can stop it, he started it the justice department is getting closer to proving that people at very hive levels always. >> that was probably the only time he.
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>> we picked this up in the meadows. but mark medal was personally involved trying to make a donald trump. . >> reporter: well, i think the delays that you saw in contemplating what to do about the steve bandon case. part of the reason where they had a contempt less involved. it because they were able to expect and i guess and 'tis patriot missile. >> mark meadows, he would have a more favorable gallie flame of privilege. to the extent he had trif
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very, very important that you pay attention to this next segment, okay? because covid is wreaking havoc in the nfl and other place. cleveland brown star quarterback joining several of the roommate's covid lost today after head coach skrch it is important to know, those of tles are inin it cancel a performance due to cove individual this
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week. >> joining me is the medical director for the national found as for ineffect shun diseases. good evening, doctor. it. this is i think getting ba here. we should definitely take precautions it's not the nfl, the nba postponing games for the first time this season. with are we seeing so many tastes like that? >> well, don, co individual has done it again, thrown us a karm hai and tight and it should infectious. and although our vaccines look as though they can provide, if they're boosted, some protection against being admitted to the helicopter. it looks as though this om cron.
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so it's now spreading very rapidly. and if you're in a kirk stance, such as concernel university or the national football league where they do regular testing, you're going to find these people who have infection but feel otherwise the guys fine. that's demonstrating how widely and rapidly this omz variant is spreading in our country right now. >> doctors, as we continue, questions about whether we still need masks. >> i think the case is very strong that masks don't add
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tag -- >> it's a big one. whatever decision the president makes, i'm going to try to work with him. i really am. >> kirstjen powers is here and charlie dent as well. good evening. you just heard joe manchin. he is looking for big changes. how big of a blow is this to president biden? >> i think it's a bit of a blow but i don't think anybody should be surprised by this. i've been saying for several weeks, actually months, that i hope he's shocked at this bill in any form passed before christmas. i think it's in real trouble. i think senator manchin wants to be scored fairly ap nd the cbo came out with a ten-year score and the numbers weren't pretty and i think he's concerned about the size and scope of this. he is not a progressive by any means. he's actually a fairly conservative guy. nobody should be shocked that
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manchin is punching the brakes. his folks aren't supportive of this build back better. >> sources are saying that democrats are going to push the bill back a year. they were sure they had an agreement moving forward with this. do you think this will push the factions and the parties even further apart? >> well, i think it's extremely frustrating for progressives because exactly what you just said, that there was a deal that was struck and there's an expectation this is going to get done, though i think charlie's right, people are realistic, realizing that it may not happen this year. i don't think that means that it won't happen. but the problem continues really to be joe manchin primarily. and it seems that he's not willing to give that much. and the progressives are very aligned with joe biden's agenda
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so it's not that they're wildly out of step with, you know, moderate democrats. certainly moderate democrats in the house that supported this so i think it is frustrating that everything is being held up by one man. >> charlie, there's also a new cnn poll out showing that 54% disapprove of the way biden is handling the economy, up five points from late summer. people are angry about the rising cost of every day goods. the white house is aware that this is a problem but the question is are they in a position to fix it right now? >> actually, i don't think they're in much of a position to fix it because the big concern of many people is rising prices, inflation. and unlike unemployment, which really affects most directly those who are unemployed, inflation is seen and felt by most people because they have to pay more. i don't know that the president has the ability to control that. hey, maybe the fed does by
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raising interest rates but biden has an problem here. i would also argue we have a real crime problem in the country. we should listen to people like abi abigail spannenberger. many people looked at biden and thought he was a transitional figure, not a transformational one. said this has been a misreading of his mandate and the numbers have only gotten worse for him. i don't see an easy path forward and democrats are going to face really tough times as long as his approval ratings remain as low as they are. >> kirstjen, let's talk more about polling here. this poll also shows a 34% see biden as a leader, 66% have some doubts. this is what the president ran on, leadership and bringing a grownup back to the white house, as charlie was saying, right?
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why aren't americans feeling that? >> well, first of all, his approval rating is 49%s are which in this climate that we live in is not a bad approval rating. we live in a very polarized environment. this is not some bottom of the barrel rating. i think when you're saying -- people are not enthusiastic about his leadership. it's fair to say that. there's a lot of problems in the country and the president is held responsible for pretty much everything that goes wrong. >> can i ask you something on that note? >> yeah. >> charlie said, correct me if i'm wrong, i don't think the president can do much about inflation and the prices that -- >> yeah. >> so why tie in the agenda to build back better to move the country forward with something that you said is out of his purview. if he has no control over it,
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why tie the two together? the president is trying to move the country forward, we're going to have inflation regardless of the build back better or not so maybe i should get on board with this. do you understand what i'm saying? >> yeah, i do. i've been saying that, if i understand what you're saying -- first of all, it's not and i know charlie disagrees with me on this but build back better is not inflationary. for manchin to hold it up over that is i feel really misguided. i also think it will lower costs for people, such as child care or prescription drug costs so you actually are going to bring some relief to people where they're not getting any relief right no biden in terms of inflation or in terms of the things that are largely out of
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his control. at least he could be providing some relief in terms of cost. and so for manchin to be holding this up, insisting that it's inflationary when it would be largely paid for, i -- >> but he said manchin wants to see a realistic score. we'll see what happens. we'll continue this conversation. i want to talk to voting right as well. i have to move on. thank you both. e i'll see you soon. >> president biden is saying the biggest issue is voting rights but do all democrats see it that way, next. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ experience the power of sanctuary at the lincoln wish list event.
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so president biden making an issue of voting rights. two key democrats, senators manchin and sinema are refusing to gut the filibuster without support. good to see you, mr. johnson. thank you very much. >> good to be here. >> so today you met with several democratic senators, including
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sinema including a nrenewed pus for filibuster. did you get any sense today she realizes how big this threat is to our democracy? >> no, we didn't get any sense. she was on the call, she didn't speak, although there were several other senators on the card who based on our scorecard moved a position, they understand the importance. senator peters organized the meet meeting and changed his position. we are not in 2005 when sold senate rules would apply. we must stand up for democracy. we stood up for the full faith and credit of our currency last week. our democracy also should enjoy that same priority. we must protect the rights of voters across the country. >> well, i'll admit to that note
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there. i wonder if you got any idea, is she interested in a carve out of the voting rights, which by the way, she voted for. >> we have not gotten any indication that she's moving in that direction, but we continue to push. again, the scorecards have 13 senators that fell into this category. five senators changed their position since the release of the scorecard. we're going to continue to push. it is absolutely important that before the end of this year we protect the right of voters across the country. it is not a partisan issue, it is an issue of protecting the guaranteed rights under our constitution. >> you mentioned five senators and you mentioned john hickenlooper. shortly after the meeting, senator hickenlooper called to limit the use of the filibuster in order to protect voting rights. do you think we're going to see
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more of this, of something like this? >> well, i hope so. i mean, when you think about some of the senators, the outcome of their election is a direct result of communities who will be negatively impacted if we don't provide voting rights protections. several legislative bodies across the country will be convening and drawing duct lines. it will be the first time since the 1960s that redistricting process -- jgerrymandering woul drive it. >> a passionate speech in the senate. he talked about voting rights.
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let's remember. >> here's the thing we must remember, slavery was bipartisan, jim crowe legislate case was boopt. i bipartisan. >> is he right? is this push do bipartisanship coming at the expense of people of color? >> absolutely. we have voting right protections, more americans to are legitimate voters automobile to participate, free of any voti voting suppression. if we don't have protection, we are limiting access to the ballot box. the will of voters can be overturned if the outcome is not to the liking of legislative bodies. that's not a democracy. two weeks ago we were part of a
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global conversation to further democracy and yet we're not protecting democracy here domestically. it doesn't matter whether this passed by 51 or 78 votes. at the end of the day the outcome. it must happen before the end of this year. >> you're meeting at the white house tomorrow. we want you to come back and report on that, tell us what happened. thank you, sir. >> thank you. >> i appreciate it. intense storms ripping through huge parts of the u.s. leaving a wake of destruction. a live report just ahead. om dryo firm and radiant. with olay body, i feel fearless in my skin.
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so, here's some breaking news right now. millions of americans under high wind alerts tonight as a powerful storm system from the rockies moves into parts of the midwest and the great lakes. check back now with the weather center. hello again. the midwest is experiencing unprecedented weather right now. give us the latest. >> yeah, don, this is unbelievable. just looking into some of the data coming out of chicago, would you believe it is warmer right now in chicago in advance of this front, in the middle 60s, mind you, around midnight eastern in december than your hometown down in baton rouge, louisiana. speaks to the impressive nature of what's happening here. a storm that has a history of producing 350 severe wind reports. 50 of these with wind gusts over 75 miles per hour. 50 locations, towns, observation
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points had winds at hurricane force this afternoon as the system pushed through and it's far from over. you'll notice tornadoes, upwards of 19 records of them. that's all you'd expect in the month of december happening in a few hours. we have 50 reports just five days ago. here we go with the wind gusts. expansive area of the central plains, the upper midwest, where we have the threat in place. and yes, the storms are still rotating. the potential is there for those to spawn tornadoes. that's why we have tornado watches expanding. these nocturnal tornadoes, when you get these, historically speaking, they are about 2 1/2 times more deadly than ones during the daytime. that's why this situation becomes that much more serious. 10% chance within a 25-mile area within that area indicated in orange, rochester to waterloo, that's where the highest likelihood is to see tornadoes into the overnight hours. and this storm system has all of the elements of a winter system, a summer event and a spring event in one. wind gusts upwards of 100 miles
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per hour across portions of kansas. a land-based system, not a tropical system to produce such winds, incredible setup with what has played out here. almost half a million customers, not people, customers, without power across the western half of the u.s. >> thank you very much. we will be watching this very closely. i appreciate it. and a final note. i want to send love and condolences to our colleague here at cnn, ana navarro on the passing of her mom who died last night in nicaragua at the age of 81, following an illness. ana posting this beautiful photo of her mom on instagram today. she says she wanted to visit her, but her parents asked her not to travel to nicaragua as the government there is denying entry to members of the international press and jailing its critics. may she rest in peace. our thoughts are with you, ana, we love you. thanks for watching. our coverage continues.
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good evening. what we have learned just this week about january 6th is pretty remarkable. more useful information in just the last three days perhaps than in the 11 months since a violent pro-trump mob assaulted the capitol. hard facts to rebut more than 11 months now of distortions and apparently willful mischaracterizations of what happened that day. and all that led up to it. three days of the house select committee's contempt presentation against former white house chief of staff mark meadows have done all that. and there is breaking news tonight on one of the committee's revelations and all the text messages that meadows has provided. texts forwarded by a lawmaker to meadows on january 5th.


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