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our democracy, to overturn the votes of the people. that to me is so scary. >> reporter: jordan is a well known attack dog for the former president and someone minority leader kevin mccarthy wanted to serve on the january 6th committee but ultimately house speaker nancy pelosi blocked him. here is why she denied his role on the committee back in july. >> i did not accept two of the five people who were appointed. they had made statements and taken actions that i think would impact the integrity of the committee. >> behind the cameras a long line of witnesses willing to talk. today cnn has confirmed officials with the georgia secretary of state's office, met with the panel for hours. and as the house referred meadows to the justice department, which is now deciding whether to charge him for refusing to testify, even
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about documents he's already turned over. meadows maintains the committee isn't respecting trump's executive privilege claim. >> this is designed to silence not just mark meadows but every trump supporter. >> reporter: jake, the news now is that we have learned that trump ally roger stone is set to appear in front of the committee tomorrow. he intends to plead the fifth amendment. we also learned today a former department of homeland security official ken cuccinelli met with the committee for about four and a half hours. >> thanks so much. let's discuss. ohio republican jim jordan forwarded this text from a former inspector general of the pentagon to mark meadows the day before the insurrection reading in part, quote, vice president pence should call out all electoral votes he believes are un-constitutional as no electoral votes as all. what do you make of this? it is fascinating that kevin mccarthy wanted jim jordan to be on the actual committee.
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>> congressman jordan says there is more context and we are entitled to that and he is entitled to that. he should release it. it is his text. my guess is he has access to his own text. we should know fg. he should tell us this. i draw a big distinction between fox news personalities who by the way were saying the right thing in private saying please make him stop the violence and a congressman. a congressman swore an oath to the constitution. cable news talking heads don't swear an oath to the constitution. we hope they are loyal to it. mr. jordan took an oath to uphold the constitution and it may be, i really do want to see the context. he might have said, isn't this crazy? he is entitled to his whole defense but he could offer it to us right now. give us the context, congressman jordan. because that is getting pretty close to undermining the constitutional order here. by the way, not only throwing out electoral votes but the millions of votes of american citizens who cast them that determined those electoral votes. >> what do you make of all this?
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jordan is probably if the republicans take the house back, will probably be the new chairman of the house judiciary committee and who knows after that? i've heard speculation that he could even be a speaker after mccarthy. >> i questions in some ways i am less surprised because i'd be more surprised if this was a text from senator mitt romney to trump allies than from jim jordan. again, we don't know the full context. he has been vocally an ally of the president. we know those closest to the president spent those days after the election trying to find any way they could so their guy could still prevail despite the fact that is not what the american people voted for. i am more surprised by the idea of them texts around, forwarding around lousy legal theories and more would be interested in knowing, were any members of congress involved in saying, hey. why don't you send these folks down toward the capital? that is what i am more
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interested in learning. >> it is one more piece of evidence, though. another indicator that it wasn't just certain news anchors and on fox news or the ceo of my pillow but it was actually members of congress also that were engaged in trying to overturn the results of the election. my colleagues today had a piece about six members of congress all republicans engaged in pushing out conspiracy theories trying to find any way they could at that point to try and overturn the integrity of the election. >> it shows you also, mark meadows' central role. >> right. >> which is who did they feel they had to go through? >> the clearing house. >> exactly. who did they have to go through? mark meadows. to get to the president of the united states. jim jordan is the one who wanted to be on the committee. what would he do now if he were on the committee? >> testify to himself i suppose. you know what is interesting, the chief of staff is supposed
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to be the person that keeps the crazy out of the president's way not just with donald trump but any president. you know this. there's always a lot of stuff coming in. some of it nutty. some of it extraneous. john kelly the retired general as chief of staff one of his main jobs was getting breitbart articles not printed out and put on the president's desk. it seems like meadows it was the exact opposite. >> because he knew it would please the president. all they want to do the please the president and say oh, here is another cockamamie legal theory we'll throw out at you and you'll love it which is what occurred we know now. >> also the vice president's team was thinking very different things and behaving in a very different manner. i think credit still very much due to vice president pence that even in the face of prominent members of congress sort of forwarding and lending credence to this theory if that is what happened here he still held firm. >> they were yelling hang mike pence. i'm sure there could have been violence against other members of congress, other democrats. but the one they were targeting
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so voekly was mike pence. i wanted to ask you, this group of prominent conservatives, including former lawmakers sending a letter to kechb mccarthy the house republican leader calling him to expel congresswoman liz cheney and congressman adam kinzinger from the republican caucus because of their roles on the committee. it leads in part we ask the gop conference meet immediately to vote on stripping them of their membership on the republican conference. is that something he is likely to do? >> it is totally counterproductive and i think mccarthy knows with him on the cusp of potentially being the next speaker of the house is the last thing you want to do is get fully distracted. it is interesting many of the same conservatives calling for the expulsion of some members of congress from their own caucus were many who a decade ago in the tea party hay days were the very ones fighting for the overreach of power within the leadership trying to tamp down the rebels within the base. it is almost this sort of rebel group from a decade ago, poof. they're no longer worried about
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leadership sort of having too much of an iron fifth. they would like to see it deployed in their own interests. adam kinzinger is not running. liz cheney will face a difficult primary. there is a chance the voters will resolve this on their own. >> you were there when the capital was breached, when the violence was going on. why do you think we haven't heard directly from mike pence about his experience? because we have heard from a number of people, democrats and republicans, journalists, and others, about what a harrowing experience it was. it was obviously a fatal experience for at least five people that day. why do you think we haven't heard from pence? >> a great question. we have seen thus far when you look at republicans especially in the house and how they have tried to separate the party from january 6th, they see this as a political liability. the committee, the investigation, and what have you. and, you know, when you talk to certain folks, there is still a thought that mike pence's
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political future is not over yet. he could have aspirations again to run again. is there baggage around talking about january 6th? that goes to prioritizing or looking at this as political liability rather than a necessity to have accountability. >> what is he supposed to say? i was frightened, scared, i was really pissed off the president did not call me? >> right. >> and ask how i was doing? >> right. >> sure. >> well, yes. you might do that but he wants to be president of the united states and is so worried about that trump base and about the former president who said the other day pence was mortally wounded, remember that? he said as he stuck the knife in his back. >> said that about a guy receiving death threats. >> exactly. >> poor choice of words. trump has warped the reality in his party. not the reality. he has fed this big lie so at least pence has stayed true to the constitution in his point. there is a report that kevin mccarthy during the riot was
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calling trump and trying to get him to stand this down. when they tried to create an independent commission instead 35 republicans voted yes. for the select committee, two voted for it. kinzinger and cheney the two who are on it. the thing has moved so far toward the denial of 1-6 as a riot. >> not just that the denial of facts having to do with all sorts of things. so there was a republican gubernatorial debate in minnesota. the moderator's first question was basically, was joe biden -- i mean it could have been, you know, is the moon made of green cheese or something like that, but just like some sort of fact or not, the question about whether or not biden was constitutionally elected which of course he was. this is not really a matter for debate. here are some of the responses. >> i don't know. i think we have to take that
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attitude toward 2020 >> i do believe there was voter fraud and a massive steal across this country. i think -- >> i don't think the election was fair but i do think we have the results that we have and the electoral college is the way we determine the election >> i mean, is the earth round? you know? is water wet? these are the topics now for republican gubernatorial debates. nobody said yes he was. yes he was. we need to move past this. >> trump is very influential in the party. you can continue to see evidence of that in things like this in a variety of primaries around the country. you'll have redistricting happen with new districts even redder in some places or suddenly very interesting primary contests happening. i think the thing republicans have to remember is the midterm will go best for them if it is not about trump and it doesn't have to be about donald trump unless they make it easy for democrats to make it about trump. in virginia glenn youngkin did not make it easy for terry
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mcauliffe to make it a ric race about trump. republicans have that power to focus on issues like inflation and other things that matter more to voters but there could be some primary contests where things like this make it easier to make trump an issue. >> thanks one and all. an outcry from critics after nancy pelosi says lawmakers should be able to trade stocks while in office. our next guest calls that the opposite of ethics. plus, tractor-trailers flipped over like toys. hundreds of flights canceled because of 100-mile-per-hour wind gusts. ahead, the rare and record-breaking weather paralyzing part of the united states. stay with us. before discovering nexium 24hr to treat her frequent heartburn... claire could only imagine enjoying chocolate cake. now, she can have her cake and eat it too. nexium 24hr stops acid before it starts for all-day, all-night protection. can you imagine 24 hours without heartburn? is struggling to manage your type 2 diabetes
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♪ you are my fire ♪ ♪ the one desire ♪ ♪ you are, you are, ♪ ♪ don't wanna hear you say... ♪ ♪ ♪ i want it that way ♪ we're back with a conflict of interest watch. ethics experts sounding the alarm today after house speaker nancy pelosi said she would not
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support a ban on members of congress and their spouses from trading stocks while in office. why would that be a problem you might ask? well, because lawmakers are privy to all sorts of private briefings and secret intelligence that the public is not. containing information that could decidedly affect the price of stocks once the informing is learned. let's go to cnn's manu raju on capitol hill. this was all spurred by a report finding some members of congress are actually breaking the rules that were put in place to prevent such insider trading. >> a 2012 stock act actually aimed at stopping members of congress from learning about things privately and making those decisions to help them financially. but this investigation by business insider found 49 members of congress and 182 senior level congressional staffers have violated that law. that came amid questions about what is being done with the fact these laws have been actually
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violated but the investigation showed what is well known on capitol hill. the house ethics committee, senate ethics committee, have not done a lot to crack down on these violations, inconsistent standards going forward and trying to deal with some of the violations so the question was posed to pelosi yesterday at her press conference why not pan members of congress and spouses from trading stock all together. she pushed back. >> if people aren't reporting they should be. because this is a free market and people -- we are a free market economy. they should be able to participate in that. >> the speaker's office offers sun light is the best disinfectant. in other words there should be more reporting so people can see exactly what the transactions entail. this has also become an issue in a number of key campaigns. recall the georgia senate race in which david purdue the georgia senator at the time traded stock and got criticism over what appeared to be some
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insider trading which he denied during the early months of the pandemic. this investigation too found that 75 lawmakers held stocks and vaccines of moderna, johnson & johnson, and pfizer in the early months of the pandemic. >> manu raju on capitol hill, thank you so much. let's discuss this with the former director of the office of government ethics under both presidents obama and trump. walter, you are comparing pelosi's remarks to the infamous marie antoinest "let them eat cake" moment. why? >> nancy pelosi says it is a free market. in reality it is not exactly a free market when she has inside access to information from government experts that isn't public, that can affect and influence their trading activity that the public doesn't have access to. it is not exactly free when we are locked out of the kind of information members of congress get all the time. >> the stock act manu mentioned
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was signed by president obama in 2012 in an effort to prevent insider trading but according to the insider report we are alluding to dozens of lawmakers and senior staffers are not abiding by it so why is there not an accountability system in place? >> it is good to be the king. that is exactly the message congress is sending because they passed this law and left themselves in charge of enforcing it and they simply don't -- you don't see anything like this in the executive branch where when i was there and continuing after i left, they enforced this with penalties one year late. the project on government oversight where i work has been working with members of congress from both sides of the aisle in both chambers to try to make this practice illegal for two reasons. it is not just insider trading
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but also conflicts of interest. both are very serious threats. you have for instance joe manchin wielding inordinate power over the president's initiatives that would affect the environment while he has massive poll interests. we also had members of congress during the pandemic trading in stocks affected by the pandemic that they knew about before the rest of us did. so mere disclosure isn't going to solve that. in fact, even if you did have people complying with the law, we'd have no way to know what kind of insider briefings they got so we would have no way to evaluate whether they were committing insider trading and i would just add the mere appearance that they are engaging in insider trading is just as bad as if they are. we have a crisis in government right now and the public can't take their word for it. >> you raise an interesting point with senator joe manchin. let me play devil's advocate
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here. yes he has interests in fossil fuel industry. he also represents west virginia. even if he didn't have those interests his constituents, of west virginia, many would want him to take those positions regardless of what financial holdings he has. is that not a point? >> along the same lines that is why members of congress can't recuse, reframe from participating in votes because it would strip their constituents of a voice. the problem is, though, the constituents never have any way to know whether he is acting in their interest or his own financial interest. even if there is a diagram where they overlap somewhat they don't overlap perfectly and have no way of knowing the simplest, cleanest way would be to force divestiture of these types of assets and then you wouldn't be left wondering. you also have to remember to the extent nancy pelosi says, oh, it is a free market. why should they be deprived of
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the chance to participate in the market? nobody kidnapped them and dragged them to washington and said you must be in congress and pointed a gun at their head. they are there by choice. they asked us to give them great power over our lives. they owe us great transparency and lack of conflict of interest. >> you've gotten some blowback on twitter per usual from a lot of prgss and democrats who say walter trump is trying to undue our democracy. why are you worried about this? it seems so petty. what do you say? >> two things can be true. we can be facing direct threats of authoritarianism and we can have corruption in congress. they're not mutually exclusive. they are both important. look how concerned so many people including i are about voter suppression. you want to talk about voter suppression, look at the sheer number of americans who don't vote. some don't vote because we put
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obstacles in their way but others because they've given up. it is all connected because when congress sends a message that ethics don't matter and leave concerns of corruption out there, how are you going to convince these people who aren't voting that they should participate and that it matters who is in congress when you have members of congress just willy nilly trading stocks and creating the appearance of insider trading and actual conflicts of interest and it's not like it's me versus all of congress. a number of people on both sides of the aisle have weighed in. you have even in the democratic party led by nancy pelosi you've got spanberger near the center and aoc near the left both pushing for members of congress to stop trading stocks. this isn't a right, left, or center issue. this is a right and wrong issue and is objectively clear nancy pelosi is wrong. >> thank you so much. appreciate it. coming up next it could
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of a major software vulnerability flagged by microsoft and federal officials including the homeland security secretary today. what did he have to say? >> he says, jake, he is extraordinarily concerned and that echoes what we've heard from a range of officials and cyber security experts the head of the main cyber agency says this is the most serious flaw that she has ever seen. what is this flaw? it is in a software called log4j which the vast majority of our viewers will not have heard of but it is used extensively across the internet by companies that everybody has heard of. apple, microsoft, ibm. >> so is this in my phone? i have an iphone. >> it could get to that point. it is in the very popular game minecraft which so many people play. what is very scary is not just the prevalence but how easy it is to exploit. it is not even basic hackers who can use this. the sophisticated hackers are the ones doing the most damage. it means they could get into
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your device. it means they could hurt your device, damage it. they could steal information. they could install malware. they could carry out ransom ware attacks. this is why secretary mayorkas today said he is extraordinarily concerned. here is a little more of what he had to say. >> upper most in our minds and quite frankly upper most in our action plans. the challenge it presents is it its prevalence because they attacked a software that is omni present and then there is a vulnerability exposed and others can jump in in the exploitation of the vulnerability. >> he went on to say the government is working very quickly to address this. we know from microsoft that this exploit is already being used by state backed hackers from iran, turkey, china, north korea, and experts believe it could be with us for years to come.
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>> facebook just notified thousands of users they were hacked. who are these hackers? >> a number of groups that meta the parent company of facebook and citizen lab the university of toronto call cyber mercenaries. they notified 50,000 people they had been targeting in more than a hundred countries by seven different firms and organizations essentially spies for hire that offer a whole range of spying techniques. there are a number of companies from israel one called black cube which was used infaumously by harvey weinstein and these groups often say their tools are used against criminals and terrorists but what this report says is that they were used indiscriminately against rights activists and opponents of authoritarian regimes and this does echo another company that got into some trouble nso group another israeli company that the biden administration has accused of their technology targeting
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journalists and embassy workers. this is a growing, very lucrative industry and of course very dangerous as well. >> very quickly if you can what are we supposed to do, turn off all devices? >> we have to listen to the experts and shore up our cyber security however we can, patch where we can, update when we can. hope pressure from governments like the biden administration on these companies make it so they are no longer allowed to operate. >> thanks so much. up next growing proof many americans are over covid and what it might mean for you. stay with us. ampoo ad. to talk about the new baja chicken & bacon. body, bounce, and baja. bounce. eat fresh.
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in our health lead from closing colleges to canceling broadway shows to postponing major league games more covid outbreaks involving the new omicron variant are leading to a replay of scenes from 2020. but new polling suggests the american public itself is less worried about covid and many seem over the restrictions. let's bring in cnn's senior data
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reporter. harry, let me start with the new variant omicron. dr. fauci said today he is absolutely certain this will become the dominant strain in the united states relatively soon. are americans worried about omicron and as they hear this variant is highly contagious and there are more cases involving it. >> if you look at the polling what you see is when you ask folks are they very concern about the coronavirus you see concern is up a little bit from a month ago or even six months ago but look at this. compared to a year ago it was 62%. now it is just 42%. there are far fewer americans who are extremely concerned about it and indeed what we really see is americans are just worn out by this entire thing. if you ask americans are you worn out by all the restrictions put into place and the changes to your daily life, look at that. 60% say yes. what is so unbelievable about that is if you look at the partisan breakdown we are so used to seeing republicans less concerned than democrats.
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here everyone is basically worn out by what is going on. just like come on man. it's been 20 months and we are exhausted. >> so march, 2020 when social distancing became a thing. >> i recall it. >> then came the masks, then the lockdowns and other various restrictions. fast forward almost two years. are americans still willing to make the changes to their every day lives? >> some are. some folks will stay locked down forever. if you ask americans have you socially distanced in the last week less than a majority say they are. just 45%. it is the same basically as it was a month ago. it was the same as it basically was six months ago and compare it to a year ago when it was 79%. 79% said they had socially distanced in the last week and now just 45%. if we bring this out and look at masks, i think masks have divided a lot of us and you ask
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okay. given the omicron variant are you likely to wear a mask indoors? just 4 #it%. here is what is interesting about that. if you look at those who received at least one covid dose it is 47%. the most dangerous are the least likely to say they are very likely to always wear a mask indoors. unvaccinated folks are unvaccinated and probably not wearing a mask. personally the most responsible for spreading the virus around. >> even as omicron spreads the data shows the vaccines can help prevent serious illness. it is very important for people especially if you've gotten three shots if you get boosted. at this stage is it changing minds at all among the unvaccinated? >> not really. if you look and ask, okay. are you very likely or have you gotten a covid-19 dose look at that. compared to three months ago it is a little bit up. 75%. 78%. now 80%. mostly unvaccinated are not
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getting vaccinated. if we look at boosters, they could be the game changer in terms of the omicron. if you see that, have gotten or very likely to get still at 51% now compared to a month ago. yes more folks have gone but it is basically from the people who said they were probably going to get it anyway. >> thank you very much. check out harry's podcast. >> yes. margins of error on itunes or wherever. it is very light. >> if you don't get enough in your life. >> that's what i say. >> thanks so much. let's bring in a professor of emergency medicine at brown university. you saw the numbers from harry. even in light of omicron we do not see a strong rise in the number of americans willing to wear a mask more or get a booster shot or even to get vaccinated. might it be time to rethink reinstating protective measures in the name of saving those tens of millions of unvaccinated americans who refuse to get the shot? >> we can only do so much for
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those who won't help themselves, and the reality is, as harry just presented, the folks who have not yet shown up to get a shot are also the ones who are least likely to follow the public health regulations. for those who are fully vaccinated particularly those of us who have gotten boosted, this is not 2020. we are right to not be as worried about our own personal health though we have to be worried about our ability to go to school or to work or about the possibility of long covid. but if we've gotten vaccinated and boosted we are unlikely to end up in the hospital in the icu or, god forbid, dead. now, the one piece of hope, jake, is that i am hearing personal stories of folks who held out against the vaccine, who are now changing their minds. whether in the face of omicron or in the face of impending january mandates. >> so you're a doctor. you took the oath, first do no harm. at this point if the unvaccinated do not want to get the shot, then what?
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does this prolong the pandemic forever? >> tough to know. there is a possibility that they'll get infected, develop immunity. we are seeing that prior infection with delta or alpha variant is not protecting people from omicron. it is possible they'll develop immunity that will protect them from severe future variants. in the meantime in the hospital i'll keep taking care of everyone who comes in regardless of whether they are vaccinated or not. that is my oath and what i do for everybody and folks will continue to fill my hospital beds if they've not gotten their shots. >> you are at brown. what do you make of the decision by cornell which saw a huge spike in covid cases after students came back to campus in ithica, new york, after thanksgiving break, to basically, you. >> shut down in person learning? is that something we'll see more of? is that even necessary if it is just cases and not hospitalizations and serious illness? >> i think that is a really
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important distinction to make. i am not someone who is going to play down cases because cases can lead to long covid but there is a disconnect with delta and omicron between cases and hospitalizations. i look at my home state of rhode island. our cases are almost as high as they were at this time last year but our hospitalizations are half of what they were this time last year because of vaccines. i will say my university has not shut down because everyone here is vaccinated but we will be requiring boosters and tests before folks come back. i think there is huge value to in person contact and we want to preserve that however we can. vaccines, boosters, masks, ventilation help keep us close together rather than on a zoom screen. >> thank you so much. good to see you as always. it has been called white gold. but critics say the mining of this key element for electric cars is not actually helping the environment. we'll show you, next.
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in our national lead another rare day of unprecedented weather in the united states and right on the heels of those deadly tornadoes across the midwest and in the great plains and midwest a one day record for at least 55 reports of hurricane force wind gusts in minnesota last night. the first tornado ever reported in december. in boulder, colorado could you imagine low clouds like this rolling over the hills? how about this scene in kansas? take a look. >> looks like a tornado. >> this is like a tornado. >> that was on the i-70 in
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western kansas as a dust storm blew in. let's bring you in. how incredible is this intense weather for december? >> jake, i've been a meteorologist for 30 years, worked in a lot of tv markets, a lot of states. we saw things in the cnn weather center we've never seen before. the list is long when it comes to odd its. starting with the warmth remember when we had the tornado outbreak memphis on friday was 80 degrees. eight states, 50 tornadoes. we had another 21 yesterday but nine states had hurricane force winds like a hurricane over land. omaha 74 degrees. their average high is 38. they shattered the record high. what used to be 61 degrees. it is not just that. two areas of concern. on the left this was an extreme fire risk. never before seen this time of the year in areas of the southern plains but where they typically have snow they haven't had rain in 60 days.
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the fires were fanned by a hundred-mile-per-hour winds. then our level 4 out of 5 in the upper midwest. never before tornado watch for minnesota was placed on top of snow cover. never seen that before. then their first tornado, the crazy dust moving all the way up toward northern michigan. we had every county in iowa with some sort of warning, whether a tornado or not. you could see the severe weather threat. >> tom, thank you so much. in our earth matters series, deep inside of a nevada voik volcano what some call white gold, lithium and it is vital toward earth friendly battery powered technology. rene marsh went there to find out it has a positive and negative side. >> the temperature is frigid here in the northern desert of nevada but yet we find people camping in tents braving these
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harsh conditions as an act of resistance as opposed mining for lithium in that extinct volcano. the sun and temperature is going down in the northern desert of nevada. it gets pretty dark pretty fast. >> it does. in the winter and the cold is pretty fierce, too. >> reporter: this is where self-described radical environmentalists max wilbur is spending the night. >> what are you doing out here. >> blowing up a mountain for coal mining is wrong. i think blowing up a mountain for lithium mining is just as wrong. >> in the nevada desert, this site known as thacker pass could make the united states a player in the fast-growing market for lithium for electric vehicles. lithium is a metal used to make batteries for electric vehicles and is critical to the clean energy transition. there is currently only one lithium producing mine in the united states, located half way between reno and las vegas. majority of the world's lithium is mined in australia and south
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america. protesters have rotated in and out of this encampment for the past 11 months. they say what will become the largest federally approved lithium mining project operating in the u.s. comes at an environmental cost. >> producing one electric car releases something like nine tons of greenhouse gases on average. the whole issue of electric vehicles an and lithup mining is trickk us into believing that we could have this modern industrial lifestyle that we all enjoy, and also solve global warming. >> it is not going to solve any climate change problem. but it is a major contribution. >> reporter: lithium mining in the state of nevada has pitted environmentalists against other. >> glenn miller, at the university of nevada reno, supports the mine. he said it will cut carbon emissions from the transportation sector, a maimer source of greenhouse gases. >> the radical environmentalists
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will argue the only way to solve the climate change is to drive a whole lot less. a mean a whole lot less. and to not burn gasoline or coal. well that is not going to happen. >> reporter: he said note transitioning to electric vehicles is far more dangerous to humanity. the ceo for mining company lithium america's acknowledges oper operations produce some co2 but offset by the zero tailpipe emissions. >> there is an ability here to mitigate and do things as sustainable as possible. >> back in the desert, wilbur is willing to risk it all to stop any mining on the site. >> you're willing to, if this project moves forward, throw your bodies in between mining machinery to prevent it. it sounds a bit extreme. do you mean that in. >> our laws haven't caught up with the reality of what is happening to our planet so people might have to break the
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law to clafrphange what is happ. >> they face legal challenges from group that want to block the project but the company tells cnn they hope to break ground here by early next year. >> thank you so much. perhaps only the boss could make half a billion dollars with one single move. bruce springsteen cashing in, that is next. (dad vo) is the turkey done yet?! (mom vo) here's your turkey! (vo) visible. switch and get up to $200.
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expunged the record of claudette colvin. she was arrested in 1955 as a teenager for refusing to give up her bus seat to a white person in montgomery, alabama. her case took place nine months prior to rosa parks. the judge ordered records to be sealed, destroyed and expunged and called her act of defiance courageous. ♪ our pop culture lead, the glory days are here for the boss and bruce springsteen could be cashing in on close to half a billion dollars, bill with a b, the new jerseyan who has 20 grammys and a podcast with president obama and a one man show is selling his rights to sony treatment, including born to run and dancing in the dark. deal would be the largest transaction ever for one single
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artist's catalogue. if you miss an episode, listen to wherever you get your podcasts. our coverage continues right now with one mr. wolf blitzer right next door in "the situation room." stay with us. happening now, breaking news, president biden issuing a dire warning, a winter of severe illness and death, he said, among unvaccinated americans as the omicron coronavirus variant quickly spreads across the country. also, growing questions about gop congressman jim jordan who pushed an election conspiracy theory and was then wanted -- and then wanted to be on the house january 6 select committee. we'll talk about it with one of would republicans on that panel, congressman adam kinzinger. he's standing by live. plus